SCSBOA T.O.C
EdMoschino
Arcadia BR and Field Tournament.
And if its Arcadia, then is TOC just a "name for a show" that has no more
prestige
Lee Bessey
directors do consider the Arcadia Festival of Bands to be the Southern
California Championships since it is the ONLY end of the season marching
band competition that combines both aspects of marching band into one
event. I personally (from a photography point of view) would like to
see ALL compete in a band review and field show competition over 2
weekends to choice in the various classes, the best street, field and
overall bands. Wouldn't that be a great show? We could use the first
two weekends in December. Boy could I get some great photos.
Lee Bessey
THE CAMERA DUDE
David
When I marched, the All Western Band Review was the championship for street,
and TOC was for both.
Arcadia was just a tune-up for the All Western, and did not have a field
tournament.
"Lee Bessey" <cmra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:38439FC4...@pacbell.net...
LOARA71
>and TOC was for both.
Didn't TOC also have a street part at one time connected to it. I thought I
heard that but could be mistaken? Maybe middle 80's? Yes, All Western was the
KING of street then but lost funding (well the city of Long Beach did that is).
What an event. 84 bands from throughout the WHOLE state of Calif. emerge on
Long Beach, no drill teams included. But best of all the awards in a PACKED
long beach arena!! Those were the days!!
For old timers here is a link to our old
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/dkvidahl/GHtitle">
www.come.to/GHSbandalumi</A><br> visit our band alumni site. We have animated
FREE<br>internet cards you can send scottish ones too!
LOARA71
>and TOC was for both.
>
>
Didn't TOC also have a street competition at one time connected to it? I
thought I heard that but could be mistaken.
Yes, All Western was the KING of street then but the city of Long Beach lost
funding to continue with it.
What an event it was!....... 84 bands from throughout the WHOLE state of
Calif. emerged on Long Beach, no drill teams included. But best of all, the
awards were held in a PACKED long beach arena!! Those were the days!!
For history buffs, here is a direct link to a page not directly connected to
our band alumni site.<A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/alumniband/LONGBEACH">
All Western Band Review (1970)</A>
This page shows the All Western Band Review competition which was held inside
the arena that year due to rain (1970).
>I personally (from a photography point of view) would like to
>> see ALL compete in a band review and field show competition over 2
>> weekends to choice in the various classes, the best street, field and
>> overall bands. Wouldn't that be a great show?
Lee, back in the 1970s they also had a great competition in La Mesa, Calif.
It not only had street and field but also concert and sight reading ALL
combined. Boy, was that some competition! Guess who usually came out on
top...........Yep, those TEXAS bands. (i.e.. Robert E. Lee HS ) :)
>> > And if its Arcadia, then is TOC just a "name for a show" that has no
>more
>> > prestige
Personally, I like the stadium at Citrus much better than where TOC is held.
But I think that Citrus is one of the best Stadiums around. My sons were lucky
to be able to have their home football games in that stadium also.
Harvey Berish
Productions worked with the city to produce their Christmas Parade... The Bands
attending TOC were included as part of the Santa Ana Christmas Parade (Now
Defunct)...It was the first Band review (Parade) to include the Macy's Parade
Balloons... Unfortunately the City of Santa Ana Blew It... The street part was
eliminated two years later... Mater Dei is supposed to have 'bought' the rights to
produce Tournament of Champions when SCSBOA ws going to drop it... They have been
the caretaker of this late season SCSBOA show... Harvey at World of Pageantry
LOARA71 wrote:
> >When I marched, the All Western Band Review was the championship for street,
> >and TOC was for both.
>
> Didn't TOC also have a street part at one time connected to it. I thought I
> heard that but could be mistaken? Maybe middle 80's? Yes, All Western was the
> KING of street then but lost funding (well the city of Long Beach did that is).
> What an event. 84 bands from throughout the WHOLE state of Calif. emerge on
> Long Beach, no drill teams included. But best of all the awards in a PACKED
> long beach arena!! Those were the days!!
> For old timers here is a link to our old
>
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/dkvidahl/GHtitle">
> www.come.to/GHSbandalumi</A><br> visit our band alumni site. We have animated
> FREE<br>internet cards you can send scottish ones too!
--
Harvey Berish, World Of Pageantry
har...@worldofpageantry.com
http://worldofpageantry.com
Ryan H. Turner
out, hence, there is no need nor basis for a "championship" per se.
Personally, I feel that it's semantics and SCSBOA COULD sponsor a championship,
but that is neither here nor there. In my experience, the T.O.C. was regarded
in the minds of directors and instructors at THE championship, because it USED
to be an invitational with only the BEST bands there and it was a combo
review/field show.
However, especially after their esteemed director Mike Corrigan left for
greener pastures up north, I began to see a general decline in the level of the
event in general. They (Mater Dei that is)didn't help themselves by claiming
it to be "too much trouble" to run the band review, hence, they cut if from the
day. At that point, it stopped being in my mind the Tournament of Champions,
and it became the Mater Dei HS Field Tournament, held in a relatively nice
stadium. The San Diego powerhouses stopped coming because it was too late in
the year, and the band review was cancelled, hence, it was a waste for them to
come up.
The old "West Arcadia Band Review and Field Tournament" was renamed the Arcadia
Festival of Bands for 2 reasons that I'm aware of. First, it was called the
West Arcadia Band Review because it was cosponsored by the West Arcadia
Business Association, and they stopped funding it. Additionally, it was a
marketing ploy, and a smart one, to bring a better light to the entire activity
that Arcadia was trying to run. When I was on staff with Arcadia, and they
secured Citrus College as a site for the field show, it was the BEST thing to
happen to them.
Now, in everyone's mind, THAT show is and actually SHOULD be the southern
California championship for SCSBOA.
Now for all of you old timers....who remembers the Santa Monica Band Review and
Field Show, or Maytime, or National City?? How about the old Azusa shows that
happened on Tuesday nights and was THE first show of the season?
Ryan H. Turner--Man w/NO life whatsover...and proud of it!!
MARCHING BAND, DRUM CORPS, WINTER GUARD FAN
VK DM 1986 and 1987
Show Design Consultant/Visual Consultant/Marching Instructor
911/Fire Dept Comm. Dispatcher...and a partridge in a pear tree!
Amy D. Mack
Yep Santa Monica was a fun band review, right along the boardwalk and
the smell of the ocean....great memories of that band review.
All-Western was such a great experience, even that horrible year when it
rained and the band review was held in the sports arena. I have to
admit I miss that event the most. As for Maytime, well it still happens
but even that band review doesn't have the caliber of bands it used to.
Its tough for some of us to get excited about marching band in the
spring, especially if your focus has been winterguard or concert season
for the previous 4-5 months!
Amy
Ryan H. Turner
>produce Tournament of Champions when SCSBOA ws going to drop it... They have
>been
>the caretaker of this late season SCSBOA show.
Uhhhhhhh....if my mind serves me right oh great one, I think that the "rights"
of TOC were "purchased" or handed over from Jack Mason of Chaffey College. I
believe the original name was the Chaffey College Tournament of Champions, NOT
to be confused with the old Chaffey Tournament which was sponsored by Chaffey
HS. I think those rights were extended in 1986, because I remember the last
TOC being at Mt. Sac College, although it was still the Chaffey College
Tournament of Champions.
Right?
Greg and Lisa Rochford
> >produce Tournament of Champions when SCSBOA ws going to drop it... They have
> >been
> >the caretaker of this late season SCSBOA show.
>
> Uhhhhhhh....if my mind serves me right oh great one, I think that the "rights"
> of TOC were "purchased" or handed over from Jack Mason of Chaffey College. I
> believe the original name was the Chaffey College Tournament of Champions, NOT
> to be confused with the old Chaffey Tournament which was sponsored by Chaffey
> HS. I think those rights were extended in 1986, because I remember the last
> TOC being at Mt. Sac College, although it was still the Chaffey College
> Tournament of Champions.
>
> Right?
>
Yes.
Greg
Lee Bessey
Ho,Ho
During the Christmas Season, to be seasonally correct, One must replace
hehe with ho ho.
Lee
LOARA71 wrote:
>
> >T.O.C. was regarded
> >in the minds of directors and instructors at THE championship, because it
> >USED
> >to be an invitational with only the BEST bands there and it was a combo
> >review/field show.
>
> So there was a band review, street portion, to this event as I wondered.....
> Thanks :)
>
> >At that point, it stopped being in my mind the Tournament of Champions,
> >and it became the Mater Dei HS Field Tournament, held in a relatively nice
> >stadium.
>
> Are you taking about the same stadium it is in now? I don't think I would
> call that a "nice" stadium. Actually, we only went to it once and I felt like
> the bands were performing in our LAPS with the way the field was laid out.
>
> >The old "West Arcadia Band Review and Field Tournament" was renamed the
> >Arcadia
> >Festival of Bands fo
>
> Thank you for clearing this up for me. Hey Lee, did you see this! (personal
> inside joke) :)
>
> >When I was on staff with Arcadia, and they
> >secured Citrus College as a site for the field show, it was the BEST thing to
> >happen to them.
>
> You bet it was! :)
>
>
> >Now for all of you old timers....who remembers the Santa Monica Band Review
> >and
> >Field Show, or Maytime, or National City?? How about the old Azusa shows
> >that
> >happened on Tuesday nights and was THE first show of the season?
> >
> >
> Yes, I remember them all. I marched in Santa Monica, too old for the Azusa
> shows though they started a year after I graduated. I did come across several
> of Gordie's old programs from that event in his things here. They had some
> great bands that came to it. Also, my husband marched in the Maytime review
> with Arroyo High School band back in the early 1970s.
> Ryan, by the way do you know when Santa Monica stopped. Did you march in
> that event too?
LOARA71
LOARA71
>Ho,Ho
>During the Christmas Season, to be seasonally correct, One must replace
>hehe with ho ho.
>Lee
I knew you would see this Lee!
take care.......Candy :)
Terry Sakow
I was to young to ever get to march this parade, but as the Band
Director @ Santa Monica High School, I've heard many of the older folks
around town talk about it. There are some who would like to bring it back.
Ocean Avenue is the street where it was held, and it is still a very
scenic place, and I think a great place to have a parade.
It would take a lot to get the parade back. I'm not sure it will be
possible.
Currently, Ocean Ave. has become a very busy street. Traffic has become
very dense. I'm sure some of the businesses that rely on this street
would be affected by the closure of this street.
I believe that the local police used to donate their time to get the
streets closed for the day. I'm not sure that could happen today.
I'm not really sure why or when the Parade was cancelled, but I'm sure
city funding had something to do with it.
There is now a Santa Monica parade that takes place usually on the 2nd
Saturday of September. Its called the Santa Monica Constitution Day
Parade. The Santa Monica High School Band is a regular participant in
this parade, and sometimes Westchester High And Venice High bring their
Bands. There is interest by some parade organizers to provide
adjudication.
It would be nice to see more bands at this parade. Does anyone think its
too early in the year for most bands?
The parade route is on Main Street, which doesn't have the great ocean
view, but is still a nice parade route. Its only a block from the beach.
in Fact the Return route is practically on the boardwalk.
btw: I did ask about moving the route to Ocean Ave. They wouldn't do it
:(
RE: TOC
I marched TOC as a freshperson at Poway High School in 1980 @ Chaffey
College. It was the first time Poway had participated in TOC. I
distinctly remember the parade. The crowd was unusually lively when we
passed through the competition zone. I remember how hyped I was on the
crowd reaction. We later found out why the crowd was so "live." We had
scored a 97 point something. I'm not sure if another band ever broke
that record @ TOC.
The cool thing about that particular band was it was back when Poway
wasn't so large. About 110-120 musicians. I think we marched 90 in the
parade. It wasn't the most talented band but we worked very hard because
we knew we needed to. I don't think I ever played in a more dedicated
band again.
I got to march in the last Long Beach Parades. I remember Arcadia's
"Sweepstakes" Sign at the Awards ceremony.
I Guess Icould go on and on about this, but its getting late.
Terry Sakow
Director of Bands
Santa Monica High School
Poway High Emerald Brigade '80-84
UCLA Bands '84-'90
"Amy D. Mack" wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> Yep Santa Monica was a fun band review, right along the boardwalk and
> the smell of the ocean....great memories of that band review.
> All-Western was such a great experience, even that horrible year when it
> rained and the band review was held in the sports arena. I have to
> admit I miss that event the most. As for Maytime, well it still happens
> but even that band review doesn't have the caliber of bands it used to.
> Its tough for some of us to get excited about marching band in the
> spring, especially if your focus has been winterguard or concert season
> for the previous 4-5 months!
>
> Amy
>
> Ryan H. Turner wrote:
> >
> > The SCSBOA is not a circuit or a judging association, as Lee Bessey pointed
> > out, hence, there is no need nor basis for a "championship" per se.
> > Personally, I feel that it's semantics and SCSBOA COULD sponsor a championship,
> > but that is neither here nor there. In my experience, the T.O.C. was regarded
> > in the minds of directors and instructors at THE championship, because it USED
> > to be an invitational with only the BEST bands there and it was a combo
> > review/field show.
> >
> > However, especially after their esteemed director Mike Corrigan left for
> > greener pastures up north, I began to see a general decline in the level of the
> > event in general. They (Mater Dei that is)didn't help themselves by claiming
> > it to be "too much trouble" to run the band review, hence, they cut if from the
> > day. At that point, it stopped being in my mind the Tournament of Champions,
> > and it became the Mater Dei HS Field Tournament, held in a relatively nice
> > stadium. The San Diego powerhouses stopped coming because it was too late in
> > the year, and the band review was cancelled, hence, it was a waste for them to
> > come up.
> >
> > The old "West Arcadia Band Review and Field Tournament" was renamed the Arcadia
> > Festival of Bands for 2 reasons that I'm aware of. First, it was called the
> > West Arcadia Band Review because it was cosponsored by the West Arcadia
> > Business Association, and they stopped funding it. Additionally, it was a
> > marketing ploy, and a smart one, to bring a better light to the entire activity
> > that Arcadia was trying to run. When I was on staff with Arcadia, and they
> > secured Citrus College as a site for the field show, it was the BEST thing to
> > happen to them.
> >
> > Now, in everyone's mind, THAT show is and actually SHOULD be the southern
> > California championship for SCSBOA.
> >
> > Now for all of you old timers....who remembers the Santa Monica Band Review and
> > Field Show, or Maytime, or National City?? How about the old Azusa shows that
> > happened on Tuesday nights and was THE first show of the season?
> >
> >
SCV91
ludicrous (did I spell that correctly), to come back after the Thanksgiving
holidays to do the Mater Dei field show.
On a side note...SCSBOA needs to open up the visual captions to people who are
educted in that area. I like thei philosophy by putting music first, and I like
the way the criteria on the sheets are set up, but unfortunately ..most of (
not all) of the "visual" judges are not using the criteria to give their
number. Which makes their tapes useless.
Sorry..saw an opportunity to vent a little. :-)
Brian Shay
Visual Designer/Instructor/Judge
Ryan H. Turner
>ludicrous (did I spell that correctly), to come back after the Thanksgiving
>holidays to do the Mater Dei field show.
And a major reason why Arcadia and the San Diego powerhouses as well as several
other regulars don't go to TOC...it only needed one person to stop SAYING it
was too late in the year and actually NOT go to the show.
>On a side note...SCSBOA needs to open up the visual captions to people who
>are
>educted in that area.
Don't EVEN get me started in this...however, I do have it on VERY GOOD SOURCES
that SCSBOA is in a quandry about people like you and me, who are obvious
EXPERTS in the area of GE and Marching (or hint hint...we wouldn't be getting
HIRED so much!). SCSBOA has BYLAWS that state band judges can only be band
directors. It's old, and it needs to be changed, and I'm told that that WILL
happen. Of course, caption judging took a long time to come into effect, so
who knows WHEN.
You want me to vent...I will. THIS is what is so frustrating about SCSBOA.
People like you and me, OBVIOUSLY enthusiastic about this whole activity, the
kids we teach, and what have you, and we WANT to judge. SCSBOA publicly admits
that there is a shortage of field judges. HELLO!!! RIGHT HERE!!! I've been
frantically waving my arms for 5 years now, and I STILL get ignored. Oh
well...
I believe STRONGLY that judging would afford me the opportunity to TEACH en
masse to many more worthy directors and students who need it. And I want to so
bad to judge I can taste it...well, I guess I'll continue to judge out of state
where they don't seem to have a problem with me.
SCSBOA hopefully will come around...they need to. It's basically a good
organization that's big as hell and they just need to keep on the right track.
Hopefully you and I and others (like Carl Nelson, Ron Zeilinger, etc) can jump
in the pool of worthy GE and VISUAL judges.
Harvey Berish
people in the region who would be remarkable judges... not just to give numerical
scores.. but also to help in the education of the next generation of judges and
band directors... For many years it has been the independent pageantry units, who
have been producing many talented musical arrangers, drill writers, percussion
specialists and instructors, color guard specialists and dance team
choreographers.. Can't even start to tell you with bursting seams how many came
from VK...or Kmen...or Sound Machine etc... Why SCSBOA has been so slow is a
myestery to me... There is not a single major band out there in SO CAL and the
region, that does not employ young men and women to augment the 'professional' band
staff of credentialed people... So why not be realistic about this?... AND by the
way... I have volunteered many times to serve the SCSBOA as a Public Information
Person... They select people who do not really work at that job...I have rarely
been notified of any new developments, or lobbying campaigns to support Music
Education etc... most of my info comes from NAMM and private corporations (Yamaha,
Pearl, Remo etc..)... Yet I am always told that they have a number of qualified
candidates to inform the public of information about SCSBOA... Doesn't seem to
work....So that is my 2 3/4 cents.. Harvey at World of Pageantry
Ryan H. Turner wrote:
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