South Carolina state marching championships GONE?
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school symphonic band about this. it seems as if the SCBDA has put the
question up as to whether or not South Carolina should have a state marching
'championship' anymore. some directors want to switch to a 'festival' layout,
where bands wouldn't receive a 1st, 2nd, and so-forth rating. bands would
only be judged on the 'superior, excellent, etc.' scale and then go home. no
finals, no night show, no bragging rights...just get your rating and go home.
ask your directors about this!! i may be new at posting here, but i'm
telling the truth. reply if you'd like, i'd love to hear some feedback!!
Ryane (female!) Senior Trumpet Player Rock Hill High School, Class of '99
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Nat_or_Colin
Calm down, dear. They voted at the last SCBDA competition and the
motion failed by two votes. It's still a competition.
love
nat
bands of irmo
swinglovinbandfreak
Yeah, I knew about this and I am pleased with the results to keep state
as a competition and not a festival although, my directors seemed to
think differently.
Neely Murphy
Fort Mill High School
OLDS307V8
Ohio state finals have always been this way, that was the reason we stoppped
going to 2 years ago, it has become pointless, no competition, as a band that
competes in BOA, we feel it is a waste of our time to go to some rinky-dink
show like that when we could be at a regional or nationals, this sort of layout
is good for some bands ( you all know, the ones that think winning doesnt
matter because they never win ), but not for us, the only BOA bands in Ohio are
all in the Dayton area, and if you were to look around, there isnt one BOA band
that competes in state, because, as i said earlier, it is a joke
Snare311
> Neely Murphy
> Fort Mill High School
I just wanted to take this moment to reflect on something.
One I first started posting on this group south carolina band members
were in a minority. There was me and some guy goosecreek. it used to be
dominated by Texas and Indiana threads. Back then the common phrase was
"Damn Texas and Indiana threads!!!" Now the phrase is "Damn SC
threads!!!"
For once we are in the majority.
Good bless this newsgroup.
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Capital Regiment D&BC Bass Cat
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mattycu
Bill Young
player from Byrnes getting in to it on here. He printed out some of the
posts and I figured this would be an okay place to be. Pretty soon we'll
have to start talking about a
rec.arts.marchingband.high-school.southcarolina. And unlike those other
less-civilized states, we (for the most part) get along with each other!
Bill Young III
Walterboro HS 'Band of Blue'
mattycu
wish I could have met some of you guys (and gals) when I was at Byrnes. In
high school I always thought people from Ft Mill, Irmo, and Walterboro were
not human but machines. Well I am kind of talking through the computer so
you still seem kind of like machines but at least I know how you think. Ha,
oh well.
Exqu...@hotmail.com
ROX" to...someone beat me to it... :)
Ryane
Senior Trumpet
Rock Hill High Class of '99
> SC ROCKS, GO SC woohoo!!!!
>
> Snare311 wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Neely Murphy
> > > Fort Mill High School
> >
> > I just wanted to take this moment to reflect on something.
> >
> > One I first started posting on this group south carolina band members
> > were in a minority. There was me and some guy goosecreek. it used to be
> > dominated by Texas and Indiana threads. Back then the common phrase was
> > "Damn Texas and Indiana threads!!!" Now the phrase is "Damn SC
> > threads!!!"
> >
> > For once we are in the majority.
> >
> > Good bless this newsgroup.
> > --
> > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
> > Johnathan "FUGI" Richards
> > Capital Regiment D&BC Bass Cat
> > http://come.to/mvhsdrum
> > AIM:SNARE311 ICQ:5178397
>
>
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superior? rock hill high has come a long way in the last 3 years, like from
placing 15th out of 15 with a good rating up to like 7th place and marching in
the night show at state...but some things just wont happen any time soon, you
know??
Ryane
Senior Trumpet
Rock Hill High Class of '99
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Nat_or_Colin
>
> In article <36D0DAD2...@clemson.edu>,
> mattycu <msh...@clemson.edu> wrote:
> > I have to agree. Compared to some states we do get along rather well. I
> > wish I could have met some of you guys (and gals) when I was at Byrnes. In
> > high school I always thought people from Ft Mill, Irmo, and Walterboro were
> > not human but machines. Well I am kind of talking through the computer so
> > you still seem kind of like machines but at least I know how you think. Ha,
> > oh well.
> >
> >
> i know right?? how do yall's bands stay so frigging GOOD? or should i say
> superior? rock hill high has come a long way in the last 3 years, like from
> placing 15th out of 15 with a good rating up to like 7th place and marching in
> the night show at state...but some things just wont happen any time soon, you
> know??
>
> Ryane
> Senior Trumpet
> Rock Hill High Class of '99
>
I don't know. We practice so hard, I often feel like a machine. Monday
6-9, Tuesday 6-9, Thursday 6-9, Friday Game, Saturday get up at 3 am and
catch a bus to somewhere. Get back at 3 am. I've spent so many hours
sleeping on bus aisle floors. . . What's even worse is that this year
we had a big gig in Seattle in November, so we had grueling symphonic
winds practice every Wednesday and every Friday there was an away game.
It's neat winning sometimes, but it comes at a heavy price; no social
life, consecutive nights staying up until 4 or 5 trying to get school
work done, grades suffering, and don't even ask about college
applications. You don't skip practice for anything, either. I've
marched with everything from busted ankles to pnuemonia. This year I
thought I might have had to skip out on my sister's wedding reception to
catch a competition that night. It has been an interesting experience
though, and I've learned a lot. However, even we don't practice nearly
as much as Lassiter, Marion Catholic, and some of the other big boys.
It's sometimes hard to weigh the costs and sacrifices against having a
neat patch or a medal, but now that I'm at "the end," I don't think I'd
trade it for anything.
Thanks for enduring my rambling.
swinglovinbandfreak
>
> I have to agree. Compared to some states we do get along rather well. I
> wish I could have met some of you guys (and gals) when I was at Byrnes. In
> high school I always thought people from Ft Mill, Irmo, and Walterboro were
> not human but machines. Well I am kind of talking through the computer so
> you still seem kind of like machines but at least I know how you think. Ha,
> oh well.
the same way as Nat. I had a friend who is going to miss his sisters
wedding because of BOA. There was also a guy in band who just had his
apendix(okay I am not even going to try and spell that one)taken out a
few days before state his senior year and he wasn't allowed to march so
he had a friend bring his drum and uniform and snuck on the field before
the performance. Band here is pretty much a cult.
mattycu
Fridays you got football games only to wake up the next morning at 7 to be at school
and have practice started by 8 am. Then the contest and you got Sunday to
recooperate. But you are right. As I look back I would not trade one minute I spent
with band. Yeah I am a band nerd and I am not ashamed of it. Shoot I can say I miss
it alot. I didnt join the band here at Clemson number one because they suck and
number two cause I didnt think I would have the time. But you can make time. I sort
of regret not joining the band here, it seems like it would have been fun and not
much work. I dont think it could have replaced high school band but it is still an
experience of its own.
P.S. I always loved the Irmo color guard outfits, wow!
>
Bill Young
We practice from 1:30 to 5:00 every day, except for Fridays when we have home
games (the away games we don't go to we practice until 4:00, and when we go a
game-home or away-we practice until 3. got that?). But we don't practice before
contests, so we don't have to get to school as early on Saturdays. But it's
really not quantity, it's quality.
Bill Young III
Walterboro HS 'Band of Blue'
swinglovinbandfreak
>
> Bill Young wrote:
> >
> > We are machines! Just don't tell anybody. j/k
> > We practice from 1:30 to 5:00 every day, except for Fridays when we have home
> > games (the away games we don't go to we practice until 4:00, and when we go a
> > game-home or away-we practice until 3. got that?). But we don't practice before
> > contests, so we don't have to get to school as early on Saturdays. But it's
> > really not quantity, it's quality.
> >
> > Bill Young III
> > Walterboro HS 'Band of Blue'
>
>
> nat
Diddo Kiddo. Do you have band class at 1:30 or something and just go
until 5:00?
Neely Murphy
Fort Milll High School
Nat_or_Colin
Bill Young
school is out. My freshman year we were on regular 50 minute periods and we didn't get
out of band until 6-6:30. That's about the best thing I can say for block scheduling.
Bill Young III
Walterboro HS 'Band of Blue'
swinglovinbandfreak wrote:
RJQMAN
I am glad they are staying competitive. If you want to develop lousy marching
bands, go to the Festival concept and drop competition. Florida is a festival
state, and their bands as a whole stink (with the exception of the BOA active
bands and one or two more). Go to Indiana and see great bands.
Band directors don't like competitions because as a whole, there is an elitist
culture among many directors that says that the only important band is the
concert band. Never mind that no one ever hears the concert band except the
parents of the kids in it - and that the marching program is viewed by
thousands. Never mind that concert bands are looked down upon by Orchestra
people the same way marching bands are looked down on by these guys - that is
just the culture and I don't think it will change in my lifetime.
Competitions are a lot of work, they can be very discouraging, but they are the
only thing that has been proven to work to build better marching bands. And
even this fails if the judging system is weak or the judges are not trained.
Indiana has used judges that go to school every year or two to be retrained in
the evolving system, and their results show it. They are moving towards
untrained judges next year - watch their bands start to slip.
Joe Gulledge
Concert band is obviously necessary and desired. The
purpose to this thread is to debate over whether or not
to kill a competitive marching event in favor of a
festival event. There is a growing segment of people
in the world who are trying to make everyone "feel
good" all the time and to that group competition is a
bad thing. Lord help us if a kid crys! With the big
push on Self Esteem based education it's no wonder. I
do not beleive that everyone is "special" and should
aways feel good about themselves. If everyone felt
this way are country/world would stagnate and DIE
because there would be no modivation to move beyond the
"warm fuzzy" feeling of being "special" Please do not
miss understand, competition can be bad if people take
it the wrong way or do not understand its purpose.
Competition does make people better. Look at our
nation. Our country is built upon free enterprise and
competition, this helps provide the best product at the
lowest cost and weeds out inferior products. Now
obviously you cannot completely use this approach with
kids, but you can use competition as a teaching tool in
the preparation of students for life in the "real
world". Let's stop worrying about whose feelings we
hurt and teach kids how to win and how to loose. If we
teach them that everone's a winner what happens when
they loose in real life? And you know that will
happen!
Joe Gulledge
Band Director
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Jasser1900
the
only thing that has been proven to work to build better marching bands. And
even this fails if the judging system is weak or the judges are not trained.
>>
Do you happen to have who did this study? I would like to know what study
proved that competitions build better bands. In fact, all of the studies I
have researched I have found the opposite, that cooperation yields much better
results than competition. In 106 of 126 studies cooperation yielded a higher
acheivement level than competition. In 18 of the remianing studies the results
where equal and in two studies competition yielded a higher achievement level
than cooperation.
Maybe you should start appreciating concert band a little more. After all, how
many marching bands would there be if you didn't have the concert bands in the
grade schools, etc. to begin learning how to play an instrument? You might
even say that the marching bands wouldn't exist with out the concert bands.
BSteen7187
Bill Steen
An Old Broken Down
but Proud Band Dad
Drummer666
for gleebands to eat fudge at
and get perky phoneburgers
and swim in a sick pool.
but spicy competition is for winners
because they want to grin
and sweat
and plack you in your cooter
until you are all scabby
that makes them win, see?
happyband is choon.
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BSteen7187
You really hit the nail on the head!......i think
We have both kinds of contests in our state. Both kinds have their place and
serve different but important purposes. However, it did look to me this year
like the events with competition had more zip to them and the performances were
much better overall from the same schools. The kids just seemed to try harder,
somehow.
Competition CAN be a good thing, if kept in proper perspective, both from those
who win and those that don't.
Personally, I think both types of events should take place.
Mister Badger
BSteen7187
>teach them that everone's a winner what happens when
>they loose in real life? And you know that will
>happen!
>
Growing up, I have always thought that learning to lose was as important to my
education as anything else. If I had not lost at many things as well as won, I
would never have known how to rebound and try again. In my humble opinion, it
takes both experiences to be a success in life.
If we shield our children from either disappointment or success, we short
change them and make them weaker than they might otherwise be.
Snare311
how to LOSE!!
Competition is such a cool thin but we all must remember that the
performance is the important thing in band and the competition is only a
sugar coating on top of it.
I was against the whole thing at first but then after talking with some
people I thought that it won't be 100% bad. Don't get me wrong, I love
out state band comp. but all the arguing and speaking of SCBDA politics
screwing over a band some aspects of the competition has gotten out of
hand.
Even if the SCBDA sanctioned events are done away with we will still
have the many local HS run comps and we will have comps in other areas
like BOA. It's not like SCBDA will outlaw all competition in the state.
If all of you truly want to keep competition then all this childish
stuff (IE. ice throwing, booing, people from bands saying nasty stuff to
other bands, band parents saying nasty stuff to other bands, etc) has to
stop. If SC bands want to keep competition we have to act like we are
adult enough to compete.
K Wrighten
and dignity to congratulate the winning band. Doing childish things , such as
boing, only shows that the program at your school is not disciplined. I am
from Sumter and we competed in the 5A finals this year. During the awards
ceremony, Irmo was booed. I think that this was very tasteless and
unprofessional. When competing, one must learn to accept the "good" and the
"bad". I put these in quotation marks because it all depends on how you view
your performance.
Quintus Wrighten
Sumter High School
Symphonic Band II
District V Honor Band
All-American Scholar
Quintus Wrighten
"When I give, I give myself."--Walt Whitman
Drummer666
you are wise.
i think both are boogs up.
have a nice pie please.
thank you.
>Drummer,
>
>You really hit the nail on the head!......i think
>
>We have both kinds of contests in our state. Both kinds have their place
>and
>serve different but important purposes. However, it did look to me this
>year
>like the events with competition had more zip to them and the performances
>were
>much better overall from the same schools. The kids just seemed to try
>harder,
>somehow.
>
>Competition CAN be a good thing, if kept in proper perspective, both from
>those
>who win and those that don't.
>
>Personally, I think both types of events should take place.
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Drummer666
for to give out medals to every
sick froopy bandkid.
that is cheap.
they should all work un hard one
and freem their best freem.
then when it is dusky
and un winner is ganked
shake their clammy palms.
all should make hoop and grin for them.
then have un party, mm?
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^^^^
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> teach them that everone's a winner what happens when
> they loose in real life? And you know that will
> happen!
>
> Band Director
>
go mr. g!!! heheh thats my director!! :)
Ryane
Senior Trumpet
Rock Hill High Class of '99
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swinglovinbandfreak
Okay, where did my first message go? Anyways, the childish behavior
that occurs at events such as state competition needs to stop. If the
directors know that this is going to happen every year then why dont
they penalize bands for this kind of behavior?
Joe Gulledge
message by K Wrighten <kwri...@aol.com>
Okay, where did my first message go? Anyways, the
childish behavior that occurs at
events such as state competition needs to stop. If
the directors know that this is going to
happen every year then why dont they penalize
bands for this kind of behavior?
Neely Murphy Fort Mill High School
Who is carrying on the behavior...the kids or the
parents of the kids?! There is talk of trying to curb
the bad behavior in the future with possible
sanctions...but it would be very hard to enforce.
Nobody will take the credit for their parents "booing"
another program. There is also supposed to be a "full
retreat" this year at finals. Hopefully the people who
behave badly will curb their behavior with 1500+
students on the field!
J. Gulledge
swinglovinbandfreak
I think mostly the parents but also a number of students. That is an
awesome idea to have a full retreat and I think it would solve a number
of problems.
Noteman99
I agree with you 110%. You are on the mark. I have heard educators argue that
"Feeling Good" is important for many kids because their home life is terrible.
I am sympathetic to home life problems, but "Feeling good" for "Feeling good's"
sake is a very risky thing. Feeling good because you have accomplished
something is a lot more important and more life changing, as education should
be. Thanks for stating things as they are and as they should be.
RJQMAN
Richard