Skinny Color Guard
RDeschene
Robert Green wrote:
> Do/Should color guards have weight limits.
I've no doubt that some do; and NO, they should NOT!
Sue
Mark Wright
Robert Green wrote:
> Anybody notice that some bands have Color Guards where all the girls
> seem
> nicely trim and others "look like America" (to quote our president in
> an
> odd way). Do/Should color guards have weight limits.
>
> Chew on that one.
Let's turn this question around... Have you noticed that many *bands*
have people who are 'sveltly challenged?' Should bands have weight
limits?
No to both.
GypsBaby
>Anybody notice that some bands have Color Guards where all the girls seem
>nicely trim and others "look like America" (to quote our president in an
>odd way). Do/Should color guards have weight limits.
>
colorguard or girls with black hair can't be in the guard. Colors sizes and
shapes DO NOT matter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If a weight issue had been in my
colorguard I never would have been in it. And I would not be able to say that
I am an alumni of the proud Clearview Marching Band.
Jessica
Clearview High School
C\O 96
Johnathan Richards
trimmed.Manly b/c they work their asses off.If people in band work hard
they will lose some weight.Maybe thats why some guards look skinnier
Jess6275
I on't think they should have weight limits...but just please don't put the
heavier girls in the tight body suits...it's very unnattractive!
Jessica Wright
Susquehannock High School Warrior Marching Band
Flute/Piccolo Section Leader
Class of 1999 "Life on the edge of time..."
Dancer1399
I see some that do ...and they definitely SHOULD NOT
Sarah Foreman
AMEN TO THAT!!
Sarah Foreman
Flute Section Leader
Warren High School
Downey, California
(no offense....i hate spandex)
SARAHS SPANDEX RULES:
1. You MUST be under the age of FIVE or under 50 pounds.
2. If you don't meet Rule #1, ONLY FOR EXERCISE....and even then...
Jess6275 wrote:
>
> I don't think they should have weight limits...but just please don't put the
DraganRose
>Do/Should color guards have weight limits.
No, guards should not. HOWEVER, costume desgeners should consider that fact
when they design the guard outfits. Not only is spandex impractical for -30
degrees, it doesn't flatter any guard member who has so much as an ounce of
fat on his/her body.
Notice I said guards. Don't pounce on me, but maybe majorettes should...
Either that, or they should dump the spandex sequined leotards in favor of
something more flattering. I mean, isn't the point of these activites to
raise self esteem? I wouldn't feel too great about MYSELF if I had to perform
in front of a huge crowd in the equivalent of a bathing suit....
--j
http://members.aol.com/draganrose/illusions.htm
NPHS -- NPMK Pit `96-`98
RAM3116
If da girl can twirl and da girl can march GO RIGHT AHEAD!!!!!
(You can substitute guy in there if need be)
IMChaotik
>Anybody notice that some bands have Color Guards where all the girls seem
>nicely trim and others "look like America" (to quote our president in an
>
>Chew on that one.
>
>
A lot of girls lose weight just from being in color guard.
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RJDJZZ
Definately not
GypsBaby
>no they shouldnt but half you noticed most people in corps are well
>trimmed.Manly b/c they work their asses off.If people in band work hard
>they will lose some weight.Maybe thats why some guards look skinnier
>
>
That's why it's corps and not HIGH SCHOOL MARCHING BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you want to talk about working hard?? I had a job, I marched, and I kept
up a 4.0 GPA.... not bad huh???? Some people's weight problems do not stem
from laziness. Some is biological, some is inherited.
Jessica
Clearview High School
C\O 96
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GypsBaby
>no they shouldnt but half you noticed most people in corps are well
>trimmed.Manly b/c they work their asses off.If people in band work hard
>they will lose some weight.Maybe thats why some guards look skinnier
>
>
Just a little thought to add to the last one.... how many people expect a high
school musical to look like a broadway musical????? so people should NOT
expect high school marching band to look or march like corps.
Drums1979
I've noticed a lot of the heavier girls in band play flute, or pic! Jeez, is
everything else just too heavy for them? hehe ( notice: I did not say all
flute and pic players were over weight ).
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Allen J. Demcoe
...I personally lost about thirty pounds over the course of my sophomore
when I joined guard. That was from the work and from the fact that I had
no time to eat!...now I have not kept off all the weight because I've
grown sort of immune to the exercise, I need more to keep in shape, but
I'm far more fit than I would be without guard.
John Matras
IVstringer wrote:
>
> >Not only is spandex impractical for -30
> > degrees, it doesn't flatter any guard member who has so much as an ounce of
> > fat on his/her body.
>
> little, since we always wear leotards
> Jason Kaeding
> Center Grove H.S. Marching Trojans
> Silver Society (Tubas)
> c/o 2001
> "Band fags are kewl!"
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Tuba players in leotards? Wow, what a concept!
Carrie Alison Moser
I marched in a H.S. guard that never wore anything BUT form-fitting,
sometimes revealing, almost always spandex uniforms. One thing that I
always thought was really cool was that our guard's visual designers
(Karl Lowe and Michael Raiford) always sketched a sample of what the
guard uniform would look like for us at the beginning of the season.
They usually had it planned so that there were two or three different
styles of the same basic look. One might have a midriff and no skirt
over the spandex leggings (for the "thinner" members, only if they were
comfortable with it), another might have a covered stomach (for the
larger waist and tummy), and still another might have a covered stomach
AND a skirt (for the member with the larger physique). This always made
it so much more practical for making EVERYONE look and feel good out on
the field. However, nothing can be totally perfect, and sometimes a
guard member may have worn a style that didn't quite fit her
form/size/etc... But as long as she (we were always female until this
year) looked and felt good in whatever she was wearing, then I think
it's okay. I mean, if you don't wanna see it, then don't look at it!
Pretty much every guard is going to wear a uniform that doesn't look
flattering on at least one of their members. But hey, it's not a perfect
world, and all females do not look like Barbie. I'd much reather see a
new and interesting style than the plain old "Guard Uniform Catalog"
design (no offense to anyone or any guard who orders theirs). But again,
that's just my opinion. I mean, if you've ever heard of the Central
Cabarrus H.S. Marching Band, you probably understand my taste for the
unexpected!
~Carrie Moser~
Central Cabarrus H.S. Guard `93-`96
Magic of Orlando Guard `97-?
cam...@unity.ncsu.edu
RDeschene
Wow, I really blew those first couple of sentences, eh? I should've
typed:
Same with me; the first year I marched guard was in corps, though. I
lost about 20 lbs. in the course of about three weeks, while we were
on tour; that was mainly because of all the exercise, and because of
the fact that I was so thirsty, all I wanted to do was drink fluids,
not eat solid food ....
Sorry 'bout that! :-P
Sue
pushkin
saying that color guards, or for any band member in that fact, is too fat
to do something.....that's just like racial discrimination..or any other
discrimination in the world.....WHY CAN'T EVERYBODY GET ALONG WITH
EVERYBODY........GOD MADE ALL SHAPES AND SIZES AND EVERYONE IS BEAUTIFUL IN
HIS EYES!! IF ONLY EVERYONE ELSE COULD SEE WITH THOSE SAME EYES, THE WORLD
WOULD BE A LOT DIFFERENT AND LESS DISCRIMINATIVE!!!
JuneDreamr
Hi!
I am from Irmo, SC. I am in the Irmo High School color guard. Also known as
Hi-Steppers. I do not think that color guarders should have a weight limit,
cause that is just ridiculous. However, I do think that if you are in the
guard, that you should be physically fit enough to do all of the things
required in the show. Our color guard is VERY different than any other cause
we do more dancing in our show than equipment work. But we are and have been
the South Carolina 5A State Champs for 4 years in a row now. We have done
just fine with our band without weight limits. I do not feel that they are
necessary as long as the girl (at our school they are all girls...its
different other places : ), I know) is fit and capable of doing her job.
Thanks
Laura
Irmo Hi Stepper
IVstringer
Johnathan Richards
off corps all the time.Cadets play copland in 96 and in 97 bands play
copland.BD plays a ganster show and a dozen bands play gangster
shows.Almost every band takes things from corps.My band does it and all
the bands around here do it.
The point is Corps affects the band world greatly.
nicole
I have 18 girls on my color guard, and if their were weight limits, there
would lose about 3 people. not that many. (and don't worry, we don't have
spandex). Some people say that heavier girls might not be able to do the
work as well. I've been in color guard for 4 years now, and i haven't seen
anyone perform the work with more energy then my 3 "heavy" guard member.
just a coincidence, i know, but just goes to show you where talent can be
lost...
Mg9321
>Let's turn this question around... Have you noticed that many *bands*
>have people who are 'sveltly challenged?' Should bands have weight
>limits?
NO, bands should not have weight limits (nor should colorguards) because if the
band works hard, people should lose weight.
Chew on that.
Mark Wright
Beatles781 wrote:
> All right, I'm just going to come right out and say it: I AM REALLY
> PISSED
> ABOUT THIS THREAD!!!!
I don't know what you're so worked up about. Some guy asked if guards
should have a weight limit? That's a question, not a comment that he
thinks they should. Then in almost every response, the answer was a
resounding NO! Gee, lighten up.
Mark
Beatles781
All right, I'm just going to come right out and say it: I AM REALLY PISSED
a size 6 or a size 14? NO! All that matters is that they have the stamina and
skill to be successful in the activity. I can't believe that in all places a
marching band newsgroup would discuss the issue of appearance- i always
considered musicians and colorguard members to be the mature ones- the ones
who'd overlook the issue of weight and see the skill a person had, not that
person's figure!!! Many of the people in my guard are slim and many are a bit
heavier; however, our guard is award- winning!! Hmm.. guess that says
something...
Alison
South Brunswick Marching Band
Silk Line...and not a size 5, either!!!
John Matras
RDeschene wrote:
> My
> feeling is that if they can do the work and look good doing it (that
> means that the costume has to be designed to make them look good ...
> and yes, it *is* possible!), then their weight is irrelevant. Period.
Absolutely. And it is the responsibility of the adults who make the
decisions on costumes to make sure that lime green leotards are NOT
chosen.
Pocono Mountain - and I speak of Pocono only because I am familiar with
the program - has had modest and universally attractive uniforms for as
long as they have had guard. Recent examples include, for Far and Away
('95), long dresses in earthtones with lace, and for the Sea show ('96),
long blue dresses, both designed for a 19th century look. All the girls
looked good in them, they looked elegant in jazz running, and they fit
the theme. Last year for Impressions of Japan, the girls wore red
oriental pajamas. Kimonos would have been more appropriate, but you
can't jazz run in costumes designed to limit one to mincing little
steps. Finally, for this year's WAR theme, the girls wore black slacks
and dun colered uniform jackets with red collars and gold buttons and
epaulets. Not pretty, but effective, particularly for the goosestepping.
Oh, and another benefit from these costumes. The girls could wear
thermals under them, not a trivial consideration when November
temperatures can be below freezing! Do costume designers in August
forget what it was like the November before. No one, at least north of
the Mason-Dixon, should have bare shoulders in fall marching band!
John Matras
Pocono Mountain HS Marching Band dad
Tri Duong
I always thought that color guard member's were supposed to be fat. If
they were skinny and had talent they'd be majorettes.
Allen J. Demcoe
Tri Duong wrote:
>
> I always thought that color guard member's were supposed to be fat. If
> they were skinny and had talent they'd be majorettes.
...Well then are you saying that I don't ahve talent 'cause I'm in
guard...'cause I beg to differ-and the scores from th SB guard would
prove you're wrong! People come in all shapes and sizes so everyone
should just get over it! I know skinny people who can't spin for shit
and people who others would consider 'fat', even though they are not,
who could spin circles around anyone! So maybe people should all get
over their ideas about the sizes of colorguard members...'cause I could
go right on into the size of band members! EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND
THAT IS WHAT MAKES US ALL BEAUTIFUL!
...I'd like to send a shout out to Alison who rocks my cosmic world...:)
Beth '98
South Brunswick colorguard...and other stuff
Mark Wright
Beatles781 wrote:
> The fact that anyone would think of such a thing really pisses me off.
> And
> excuse me how about we go pick on some other posts such as the ones
> with bands
> bragging about how wonderful they are instead of mine which simply
> responds to
> a post which ASKS for opinions???
> Alison
You haven't been paying much attention. *Lots* of folks have been
bitching about those threads! This one simply asked for opinions - most
of which were "no," and you fly off the handle. Read the whole thread,
and you'll probably feel, as I do, that most of the people on this group
are kind and sympathetic to folks who are different from them. Don't be
so sensitive. We really do care.
RDeschene
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:50:23 -0500, Tri Duong <txd...@psu.edu> wrote:
>I always thought that color guard member's were supposed to be fat. If
>they were skinny and had talent they'd be majorettes.
>
*sigh!* Eh, well, let's hear it for bias from the other side of the
spectrum ....
Sue
Johnathan Richards
Michael Peterson wrote:
>
> In article <346E25...@unity.ncsu.edu>, Carrie Alison Moser
> <cam...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>
> >.....................................I thought it was kind of strange
> > how the exhibition college band's colorguard were dressed just like Blue
> > Devils `96, striking poses just like the BD guard members in the
> > gangster show, wearing the multi-colored uniforms and the shoes and
> > everything.
>
> The reason Marshall's guard uniforms looked like Blue Devil's is
> because they were Blue Devil's uniforms. Marshall bought them. Nothing
> wrong with saving some bucks.
>
> >I came to find out that they were basically
> >a "BD wannabe" band.
>
> If you want to compare Marshall to BD, we'll take that as a compliment.
>
> >The point is, if a high school/college is going to
> >feed off a corps for show ideas, there's a difference in using a basic
> >theme and trying to BE the corps. The writers and designers of these dc
> >shows go thru a lot of thought processes and agonizing over what their
> >corps is going to do in the show over the summer.
>
> The process of developing this show is no different than doing so for a
> drum corps. Both the drill writer and arranger write for both drum corps
> and marching band with the intention of creating a unique show every time.
>
> >Bands should at least give them the respect of not putting on an exact
> replica >of that show,and think for themselves a little.
>
> Sure lots of bands and corps have played "Cool" and "Swing, Swing,
> Swing" before but that doesn't mean they're off limits. We did bring some
> new twists to these old standards. The ballad "A Nightengale Sang at
> Barkley Square," has not been performed by a drum corps in recent memory
> and the four minute opener was an original composition written for
> Marshall exclusively.
>
> Peter Jones
> marching member Ambassadors '77-'84
> marching member Dutchboy '85-'89
> instructor Dutchboy '90-'93
> instructor Cardinals '94
> instructor Bluecoats '95-'96
> drill writer Bluecoats and Marshall University '97-'98
actually wasnt nightingale played by Xmen one year?
RDeschene
FLAME-BAIT ALERT!!!
> Your just saying that cause your fat
This one isn't even worthy of a response.
Sue
Tri Duong
quoted
...Well then are you saying that I don't ahve talent 'cause I'm in
guard...'cause I beg to differ-and the scores from th SB guard would
prove you're wrong! People come in all shapes and sizes so everyone
should just get over it! I know skinny people who can't spin for shit
and people who others would consider 'fat', even though they are not,
who could spin circles around anyone! So maybe people should all get
over their ideas about the sizes of colorguard members...'cause I could
go right on into the size of band members! EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND
THAT IS WHAT MAKES US ALL BEAUTIFUL!
...I'd like to send a shout out to Alison who rocks my cosmic world...:)
Beth '98
South Brunswick colorguard...and other stuff
Your just saying that cause your fat
RDeschene
SuperFly l wrote:
>
> I think Sue has a bit of a weight problem and she's just expressing her grief
> online...I know that I was never discriminated because of my weight, so I have
> no problem...
>
> Scottie Dawg
Oh, really? I, and many other guard members, may have been heavier than
others, but that's the way we're built; it's not a weight "problem." But
when appearance is used as criteria for judging someone's ability to
march, and their talent is left out of the equation, then yes, I do have
a problem with it. That, however, has never happened to me. I was
perfectly able to march with the guard I chose, and I enjoyed my time
marching with them. The only thing I'm expressing "grief" over is if
someone else doesn't get that same opportunity.
Sue
Phil16218
good call !!!!
Cool Cat
I think that weight should have nothing to do with whether a person could
be in the auxiliary or not. We have skinny and not-so-skinny people on
ours. I have never heard ANY judge comment on any girl/boy's weight. The
only comments I have heard deal with whether everybody is together and if
they are in a good place on the field.
Cool Cat
SuperFly l
Thatcher97
>The ballad "A Nightengale Sang at
>Barkley Square," has not been performed by a drum corps in recent memory
I marched in the Crossmen in 1996, the year that WE played this song,so I'm
afraid I'd have to disagree..
-rt
MJohn5569
>>The reason Marshall's guard uniforms looked like Blue Devil's is
because they were Blue Devil's uniforms. Marshall bought them. Nothing
wrong with saving some bucks. <<
I was suprised when I marched that this happens alot..but hey, to save a buck,
fine with me.
>>Sure lots of bands and corps have played "Cool" and "Swing, Swing,
Swing" before but that doesn't mean they're off limits.<<
Lots have played Cool..each very different too, but Swingx3? I only know of one
Corps (CBC 1995), abd I know of an arrangement for band by Bocook..so there is
no telling how many bands have played it. (BTW If you have the J.W> Pepper
marching band catalog..check out how off thier description is of Swingx3)
>>The ballad "A Nightengale Sang at
Barkley Square," has not been performed by a drum corps in recent memory<<
Umm can we say 1996 Crossmen...Cool version too!
<<Peter Jones>>
Peter? The same Peter that was engaged to Angie of Northshore staff in 1996? If
so, I know you! Cool
Mike Johnson
1995 Cadets of Bergen County
KC 6313
Now I have heard of Drum corps incorporating specific diets..but in a way...i
can see why..but i think its wrong..but hey its just my opinion..okie? And like
Sue said...(in my words of course :P) the hidden talent can be hidden....I'm in
guard...and I do my best...and set goals for myself...if you can spin the
flag..sabre...rifle...etc....and do it with
grace..beauty...strength..force...and emotion...then why shouldn't u be in the
guard...thats what its about ....isn't it? Well its just an opinion..anyone
have any thoughts..?
Sincerely,
Kaycie Bayer
Castle Marching Knights
Color Guard
Class of 2000
INDIANA FRIEND FOR LIFE
CFT925
>Now I have heard of Drum corps incorporating specific diets..but in a way...i
>can see why..but i think its wrong..but hey its just my opinion..okie? And
>like
>Sue said...(in my words of course :P) the hidden talent can be hidden....I'm
>in
>guard...and I do my best...and set goals for myself...if you can spin the
>flag..sabre...rifle...etc....and do it with
>grace..beauty...strength..force...and emotion...then why shouldn't u be in
>the
>guard...thats what its about ....isn't it? Well its just an opinion..anyone
>have any thoughts..?
>
>
I agree that instituting specific diets for guard members is preposterous.
However, using revealing and/or tight fitting outfits when there are people in
"less than ideal" shape in the guard is equally as preposterous, not to mention
embarrasing.