!!! Can some challenge the Westerville South director !!!
Xgames6315
for "it's unique visual effects" and had been in the Top 10 at BOA Nations for
the several years. Such shows included: "Scenes From Melville", "In the
Spring, At the Time When Kings Go Off to War", "On the Waterfront", and
"Symphony No.1 In Memoriam Dresden." As you might have noticed we have fallen
from the top 10 and have begun to sing below 20.
As of the 1995 season "Ballet Sacra, Grant Us Peace," our band director Dustin
Warner was forced to "retire" due to differences with our Principal Joy Rose.
Our drill had been written by Steve Hegimyer and music arranged by Michael
Klesch.
The 1996 season "The Wall," we continued with the same staff minus Dustin
Warner as our director. Our Assistant director from the fallowing year Kennith
Peck, took the job as head director. Our drill was again written by Steve
Hegimyer. That season we finished 9th. At the end of the year our director
announced his retirement.
Because our director was retiring, this created a rush to hire someone.
Johnathan Parker was chosen as the new director.
In the 1997 season "The Fountainhead", the band was about 150 members at that
time. That season we finished 12th, out of the TOP 10. The fallowing year
Steve Hegimyer and all of the visual staff left due to communication problems
or where fired by Johnathan Parker.
In the 1998 season, the staff was all new, hired by Johnathan Parker. At this
point the band was down to about 100. The season ended in a dissapointing
19th.
At this point parent and students have taken action to change where the band
was heading. Johnathan Parker has denied every request. The students have
tried talking to Princaples and Staff to rehire a new director, all attempts
have failed.
"I don't care how many people I have in the band as long as they listen to me,"
- Johnathan Parker
He has been a extreamly controlling director that must always have his way.
This is why all of the original staff has left the program.
As of the 1999 season, the band is now down to a little over 70 people. . ..
As a former memeber of the band I hope that someone will convince or Principal
Joy Rose to remove our director for the sake of the program.
You may be able to contact Joy Rose at : ro...@westerville.k12.oh.us
or Johnathan Parker at : par...@westerville.k12.oh.us
(or) JPar...@aol.com
BACKGROUND INFORMATION:
1991
Director Dustin Warner
"Scenes From Melville"
based on
"Of Sailors and Whales"
composed by
Francis McBeth
arranged by
Scott Hickey
Indianapolis, IN
Finals
10th Place
Johnson City, TN
Finals
Regional Champion
Outstanding General Effect
Outstanding Music Performance
Prelims
1st Place Class AAA
Outstanding Music Performance
Outstanding Auxiliary
Toledo, OH
Finals
3rd Place
Outstanding Visual Performance
Prelims
2nd Place Class AAA
Outstanding Music Performance
1992
Director Dustin Warner
"In the Spring,
At the Time When Kings
Go Off to War"
composed by
David Holsinger
arranged by
Micheal Klesch
Indianapolis, IN
Finals
4th Place
Prelims
3rd Place Class AAA
Outstanding General Effect
Indianapolis, IN
Finals
4th Place
Prelims
1st Place Class AAA
Outstanding Music Performance
Morgantown, WV
Finals
4th Place
Prelims
2nd Place Class AAA
1993
Director Dustin Warner
"On the Waterfront"
composed by
Leonard Bernstein
arranged by
Micheal Klesch
1993 Photo Gallery
1993 Honors
Indianapolis, IN
Finals
4th Place
Indianapolis, IN
Finals
4th Place
Prelims
3rd Place Class AAA
Toledo, OH
Finals
2nd Place
Prelims
2nd Place Class AAA
Outstanding Visual Performance
Outstanding Auxiliary
1994
Director Dustin Warner
"Symphony No.1
In Memoriam Dresden"
composed by
Daniel Bukvich
arranged by
Micheal Klesch
FINALS - 4th
1995
Director Dustin Warner
"Ballet Sacra, Grant Us Peace"
composed by
David Holsinger
arranged by
Micheal Klesch
Cincinnati, OH - 5th - 80.90
Indianapolis, IN - 3rd - 90.25
FINALS - 9th - 88.65
1996
Director Kennith Pech
"The Wall"
composed by
Pink Floyd
arranged by
Micheal Klesch
Cincinnati, OH - 4th - 76.55
Toledo, OH - 3rd - 88.25
Indianapolis, IN - 6th - 87.55
FINALS - 9th - 88.40
1997
Director Johnathan Parker
"The Fountainhead"
Cincinnati, OH - 7th - 78.75
Morgantown, WV - 3rd - 85.95
Outstanding Visual Performance (tied with Webster)
Indianapolis, lN - 6th - 85.35
FINALS - 12th - 87.75
1998
Director Johnathan Parker
arranged by
Johnathan Parker
Morgantown, WV - 6th - 70.90
Indianapolis, IN - 7th - 81.90
FINALS - 19th - 83.15
Becky
Westerville South at states in Columbus, OH. Corect me if I'm wrong however.
Anyway, if I am right (which is not often), then I thought your show was very
impressive. The guard was breath taking and the coreography was amazing. If
this wasn't Westerville, then sorry, but what ever band that was....all I have
to say is wow.
MrTubaGuy1
all the fine bands that compete in BOA Nationals.
MrTubaGuy1
"Noone dreams of music in hell and noone dreams of heaven without it."
KEKERRS
to my school's competition (Thomas Worthington). I thought they had a great
show, and 19th at Nationals is terrific in my opinion. I wish I could give you
some advice on how to deal with your band director, but fortunately for me I
haven't had anything but pleasant experiences. Every competitive group has ups
and downs as changes occur. My best advice is to tell everyone to keep on
trucking and make the best of if. Good luck!
~Kelli
Whitesax69
19th in the whole nation!
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wild...@aol.com (Becky) wrote:
> to say is wow.
>
Right on the money man.
-Ex South Marching Member
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Sonya
other bands are competing. it's like being a top twelve
drum corps, then dropping to the twenties.
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BurgrBarn
And I really wish that everyone would stop writing commentaries on issues that
they pick up from the sidelines and not really know everything. Mr Parker is
honestly a new director this year, and you all need to stop bashing the man.
You aren't there to see how things are run and how things work, so until you
do, please stop assuming!
Justin Rudisille
Pround member of the Westerville South Marhing Band
GO LOW BRASS
Drummer666
>> renound band
>> fallowing year
>> or where fired
>> Princaples and Staff
>> extreamly controlling
>> former memeber of the band
mm.
bad spelr.
| | | |
(o o)
^^^
BurgrBarn
I am asking all you members/former members to quit posting about the decline fo
the program and act to save the program....
does that help?
<<Then please ask members/former members to quit posting about the
decline of the program and asking people to 'act to save the program.'>>
Bob Mayzer
leadership. The focus was not education, school spirit, and fun. It was heading
towards "Winning BOA Is The Only Goal" no matter what.
The shows the last few years were more suited for Concert Band than Marching Band.
Whether you like it or not one of the main purposes of any High School Marching
Band is to provide music to generate excitement and school spirit for football
games and other school activities. Playing the "BOA show" week after week did not
do that. Pleasing BOA judges should not be the only goal of any band.
I have followed the program for 7 years and think the program declined the last few
years Dustin was director. It was a very good program, but the focus was not where
it should have been, in my opinion.
Dr. Trumpet
> The shows the last few years were more suited for Concert Band than
Marching Band.
> Whether you like it or not one of the main purposes of any High School
Marching
> Band is to provide music to generate excitement and school spirit for football
> games and other school activities. Playing the "BOA show" week after
week did not
> do that. Pleasing BOA judges should not be the only goal of any band.
With regards to the opinion of the show and of the direction of the
program, I leave that for others to decide. I am not materially nor in
any way involved with the program, nor do I know any of the principles
involved.
Sufice it to say, I personally do not know what happened on a day to day
basis. However, the above statement is one I see administrators parrot
time and time again, and yet the point is baseless. The band only becomes
a tool that "generate(s) excitement and school spirit for football games
and other school activities" when that is its sole goal. Personally, the
first purpose of any band class is to teach it's students music:
fundamentals, performance, and learning how to play their instrument.
The above states that a band is NOTHING if not a tool of the
administration, the atheletic department, and the school. It is a service
organization. While that is ONE part of what is essential for funding and
for community support, it is a sad state of affairs if that is the only
part of the program that receives the emphasis. Band in most schools is
not an extra-curricular, is a class, and is given a grade and evaluated.
Whether or not you know it Bob, the new show every week idea has gone the
way of the college marching band. The "BOA show" week after week teaches
a great deal-music that is challenging in the concert hall adapted for
field use teaches students about their instruments, teaches them self
discipline and self-esteem, and reinforces positive education values of
practice and repetition. Even in concert band, we have this type of
repetition, the difference being that the band is not required to play
weekly concerts. If that were the case, you would hear the same music
over and again, and would tire of it as well.
Bob, your point of view sounds like you would prefer the Ohio State
Marching Band instead of the Westerville band at your school athletic
functions. There is nothing wrong with that approach, if you have
aspirations toward competition or toward personal growth of students. In
college, the marching band is largely a social function. The social
function of most high school programs also exists. However, as a music
class, it is not the goal to be social, but to be educational.
I appreciate your viewpoint, but have to tell you that the belief that the
marching band should act only as a tool of propeganda for the football
team, the administration or the school student body is demeaning to both
the activity and the students in the class. They joined marching band to
play music, not as an extra-curricular service organization.
AL
Jugdish20
music (notice I said music program not band program), I personaly feel that
there is not enough MUSIC APPRECIATION being taught in schools today. This is
not by no means directed towards Mr. Parker, but as too music teachers as a
whole. Too man times we as music educators turn into strictly "band directors"
and get away from what we are taught in our college days and that is to be a
"music educator".
bigd...@my-deja.com
opinion. BOA programs do not focus in on individual teaching (There are of
course, exceptions to that). It's always a "Win win" situation with no
regard toward individual advancement. Perhaps that is why there is so much
difficulty in getting good concert bands these days. Some Band directors, and
some boosters alike would rather see trophies than individual talents or
achievements. More attention should be concentrated on students instead of
commerical programs. Bands begin with talented students and commited
teachers, not some commerical money maker like BOA. In regards to Dustin
Werner: I have been in the shadow of Westerville South since I was 7. I have
been here long before most of my fellow comrades. I know how hard it is to
work to get there. I know of the blood, sweat, and tears all too well. I
know that a man named Dustin Werner and a dedicated bunch of band kids in '89
blew the door down intoBOA. Granted, Werner did some unagreeable things.
But he was fair.He was a music teacher that dedicated himself to South
despite the fact that he had three kids at home and a wife. If you don't
think so, look at Xgames post. He did more for this band than anyone, no
matter who says different. No, I challenge anyone to tell me someone that
did more for South than Werner. Everyone should be thankful to this man.
The BOA we enjoy now was strengthened by him and the kids that made him
proud. And now, sadly that program he made with a family at home and his own
sweat, is gone. And That's not just the fault of one man mind you. So, now,
everyone wants help from the Alumni? It's not them who now supports the
current director... And, I think our own current members should be changing
the program. After all, they're the ones who support the program now and are
directly involved. That is all. Thank you.
Bob Mayzer
"Dr. Trumpet" wrote:
In article <37C3FF81...@ee.net>, Bob Mayzer <bma...@ee.net> wrote:
> The shows the last few years were more suited for Concert Band than
Marching Band.
> Whether you like it or not one of the main purposes of any High School
Marching
> Band is to provide music to generate excitement and school spirit for football
> games and other school activities. Playing the "BOA show" week after
week did not
> do that. Pleasing BOA judges should not be the only goal of any band.
With regards to the opinion of the show and of the direction of the
program, I leave that for others to decide. I am not materially nor in
any way involved with the program, nor do I know any of the principles
involved.
Sufice it to say, I personally do not know what happened on a day to day
basis. However, the above statement is one I see administrators parrot
time and time again, and yet the point is baseless. The band only becomes
a tool that "generate(s) excitement and school spirit for football games
and other school activities" when that is its sole goal. Personally, the
first purpose of any band class is to teach it's students music:
fundamentals, performance, and learning how to play their instrument.
The above states that a band is NOTHING if not a tool of the
administration, the atheletic department, and the school. It is a service
organization. While that is ONE part of what is essential for funding and
for community support, it is a sad state of affairs if that is the only
part of the program that receives the emphasis. Band in most schools is
not an extra-curricular, is a class, and is given a grade and evaluated.
Whether or not you know it Bob, the new show every week idea has gone the
way of the college marching band. The "BOA show" week after week teaches
a great deal-music that is challenging in the concert hall adapted for
field use teaches students about their instruments, teaches them self
discipline and self-esteem, and reinforces positive education values of
practice and repetition. Even in concert band, we have this type of
repetition, the difference being that the band is not required to play
weekly concerts. If that were the case, you would hear the same music
over and again, and would tire of it as well.Bob, your point of view sounds like you would prefer the Ohio State
Marching Band instead of the Westerville band at your school athletic
functions. There is nothing wrong with that approach, if you have
aspirations toward competition or toward personal growth of students. In
college, the marching band is largely a social function. The social
function of most high school programs also exists. However, as a music
class, it is not the goal to be social, but to be educational.I appreciate your viewpoint, but have to tell you that the belief that the
marching band should act only as a tool of propeganda for the football
team, the administration or the school student body is demeaning to both
the activity and the students in the class. They joined marching band to
play music, not as an extra-curricular service organization.AL
I don't agree that the only way a band can be a source of school pride and
spirit is to have that as it's only goal. Teaching music and contributing to school
activities are not mutually exclusive.The fact that many people do not agree with
your position does not mean they are parrots. The attitude that being an
"old fashioned" marching band means you cannot teach music is just plain wrong.
Your statement " The above states that a band is NOTHING if not a
tool of the
administration, the atheletic department, and the school.
It is a service
organization. While that is ONE part of what is essential
for funding and
for community support, it is a sad state of affairs if that is the
only
part of the program that receives the emphasis." is contradictory
and not
what I said. In one statement you say that I said the band has to have
that as its
sole goal and later you say it is ONE on several goals which IS what
I said. I'm
not saying the band has to sell out and be a football band, I'm saying
you have to
recognize the reality of the situation and try to strike a balance
between the two goals.
The OSU marching Band has a more than a few members who are very well
taught in " music fundamentals, performance, and learning how to
play their
instrument". The notion that an "old fashioned" band is somehow
depriving students
of the goals you listed is ludicrous. The OSU marching band is no longer
on TV at
half time during televised games, they are still an excellent teaching
organization
and are wildy popular locally and nationally and have not "gone the
way" of anything.
They are not "largely a social function", go watch tryouts
or a practice at the
stadium..The OSU marching band also has no trouble raising money. If
you think
being part of school activities and football games is not important,
rent the movie
Mr Hollands Opus and watch the last 20 minutes. You have to have community
support to have the dollars to pay the band staff and supply classrooms.
Almost no one goes to BOA or other band contests except for families
and
friends of band members and that's a fact of life. The only time the
tax paying public
sees a high school band around here is when there is a parade or during
a football
game. What would the reaction be if a band played their contest show
in a parade?
That type of music is not appropriate at a parade or a school "spirit"
type function.
Even at the football game very few people attend who are not football
and band
participant's friends and families. One very important exception is
the fact that
a majority of school board members attend games.
I believe that the type of music played by WSHS marching band is out
of place at a
football game week after week. It should be featured a few times during
the season
because a show in front of an audience is a great motivator. I don't
expect a band
to have a new show every week but I do expect to see something more
entertaining
than the same inapproriate (for football) show for 10 weeks in a row.
This sentiment
is shared by a number of band and football parents I know.
I have been to many BOA contests and cannot say anything but positive
things
about the band staff, students, and audience. They support each other
at every opportunity.
They give each other respect and behave in a completely appropriate
way at these events.
I've also spent many hours at band practices and contests as a parent
volunteer at a nearby
school. It is incredible the amount of work that goes into preparing
for and competeing in
a show or contest. I have a great deal of respect for the work the
band staff does during
these sessions. They do an incredible job and deserve the thanks of
all the students and
parents involved. I am not saying they have been taking it easy the
past few years.
I just don't agree that doing a show with music associated with Nat
King Cole or
The Music Man or (God Help Us ) John Phillips Susa is not relevant
anymore.
People who were in band when this type of music was being done will
have a lifetime
of remembering a funny or sad or exciting thing from the past whenever
they hear any
of "their" music and it triggers those memories.The present band members
will never hear
"their" music once they graduate. I think the memories are very important
because most
band members will not continue in music after high school and none
will be in marching
band after college.
I appreciate your response also, I am just as convinced that my choice
in band repertoire
is not "propaganda".(interesting choice of words, you used "tool of
the administration" earlier)
Marching band is the ultimate "Extra Curricular Activity" in my world.
All contests, BOA
or otherwise, are "Extra Curricular" aren't they? Your defintion sounds
too self serving to me.
The band owes something to the community who pays the bills. Band is
not the only activity
in our community needing supplemental funding.
Band can be both entertaing to the unwashed masses and teach music,
to deny this is to
foster an attiude that undermines the support from the community that
music educators
desperately need. No BOA judge votes on school tax levies in my school
district.
NOCoolatta
newsgroup. It is not a real classy thing to go out in public and say..Hi , I go
to Westerville South..we were a powerhouse and blew the door down in BOA then
our director leftand we suck.Things like that happen every year. You expect
sympathy on RAMB so that is why you post? Why hurt any perceptions of your
program that way. Not the way I would hanle it.
just a thought..
NOCoolatta
Dr. Trumpet
the same. There are situations which require a presence, and the support
of the community is essential. I don't see these as mutually exclusive
events. I hope that I did not sound that way. i just think that
education should be the first priority, and the others fall further down
the list. Support of school and community are important, but success at
contests can promote a good rapport witht eh community as well.
I appreciate the discussion!
jenny Porter
>graduate.
In my head. ;o)
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DeTray
He now runs a middle school program that surpasses many if not most high
school ones. In my view, anyone who says a word against him is completely
locked in idiocy. As for the decline of the program, you can't really blame
it all on one man, but you can see why its easy to. Directors are meant to
be supportive teachers, and Parker is not. He has musical vision and is
talented, but not as a director. He doesnt quite understand how to deal with
high school students and until he learns it, he'll get nowhere. Honestly, my
senior year was one big fight trying to keep some small refuge of what we
had before. When students are getting suspended for asking questions and the
band is sounding horrible, I'd say you have two problems. One, someone is
trying to RUN the band instead of guiding it. Two, no one is interested in
accomplishing the goals that he has. So if a good program is ever to be had,
he needs to show the band what he wants and compare it to what they want.
After all, It's their time, their money, their emotion. By all rights its
their program.
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Bob Mayzer
Roger Binion wrote:
Hi Roger,
I don't think you understood my comments completely.
> >Almost no one goes to BOA or other band contests except for families and
> >friends of band members and that's a fact of life.
>
> Although you do preface your statemet with 'almost,' I must take exception to the above comment. I have attended the last 3 BOA's for the simple fact that I enjoy it. Unlike many familes and friends, I sat through every performance of every band to lend my support and applause. I have also sat with my BOA acquaintences for these three years and they go and sit as well, with no affiliation to any participants. We go because we like the activity. Don't sell people like me short.
I think attending BOA contests or any school function in order to encourage the participants is a very good thing to do. It is also very entertaining.The point I was making is that in my definition, you are a friend. You know the value of the program and enjoy being a part of it, now as a spectator. When you vote for school levies, or when people come to your door on Tag Day you know the importance of high school music programs. My point was that 99% of your neighbors have never been to a band contest. They haven't seen the work and the joy of being in a band program. The only time they see a band is at
a parade or maybe a football game.
>
>
> >The present band members will never hear "their" music once they graduate.
>
> Excuse me? I think marching band members have a far greater chance to hear their music now than ever before. Most of the top notch programs are pushing the envelope with classical shows and composers and exposing the members and the audiences to whole different cliber of music. Are you suggesting that bands play 'Top 40' hits? (Hey, I would LOVE to hear a band like Center Grove, Marian Catholic, Lassiter, whoever play 'Livin' La Vida Loca.' ;-) Wouldn't that be a hoot!)
>
I have never heard 90% of the music played at a BOA contest anywhere else. Local contests with non BOA bands and "show bands" play music that is more likely to be heard occasionally on the radio. I was in a high school music program a long time ago and every time I hear a song from one of our shows, I see my friends singing that song on a bus trip to a contest or during an especially good performance of that song somewhere.
In my opinion, a band who did 'Livin' La Vida Loca.' would not receive the same score as a more "BOA" type show. I've seen bands that were awesome doing popular music that placed well but not where they belonged. I think the more "artistic" music (slower tempo) shows get more points. At the last BOA GN I went to (97) there were many more bands doing dark, eerie, slow, type programs than 'Livin' La Vida Loca.' I agree with you, I would LOVE to see that too! The band who does it knows going in they will loose points.
>
> >I think the memories are very important because most
> >band members will not continue in music after high school and
> >none will be in marching band after college.
>
> And yet every year, thousands upon thousands of music majors graduate every year from college. Some are orchestra majors, others music educators. The point is that marching band is important to many students, and not just the BOA GN finalist caliber.
>
I agree completely. You don't have to compete at the BOA level to teach music and develop serious musicians.
>
> Music education should come above EVERYTHING else. What good is a marching band that marches exceptionally well at the expense of the kids playing their instruments? I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, BOA GN finalists have some serious concert band programs as well.
>
I don't agree here. If you want to get the full benefit, you have to have a balance of music education, music appreciation, marching, socializing and fun.
>
> I saw a recent post from someone who marched Rocky Mount HS during their BOA GN championship years. When was the last time you even heard of them? They, along with several other formerly 'great' programs, are in the 'where are they now?' file. From what I heard (from a reliable source, but please feel free to correct me if I am wrong), the admininstration and local community were getting annoyed that the marching band wasn't around to play at football games and cut the trips to contests. The band was turned into a 'show' band for halftimes and membership dropped. Where is the music education in that?
>
I absolutely reject the idea that you can't teach music and have a half time football band. Why do you think that a "show" band can't have the same goals as a "BOA" band? In my opinion, a BOA band IS a show band, just a different kind of show. The members of bands who go to local contests or no contests at all are still getting an education. Maybe not as good, but the circumstance at those schools may be to not have band at all if they can't afford to go to contests. I don't agree that the only worthwhile band experience is a BOA band experience.
>
> It's too bad that Westerville South has slipped nationally but what is worse is that the members seem to think that is all that matters.
Amen
>
DeTray
This has got to be the work of one of the most uninformed people ever to
grace marching band. I've been following the band for ten years, including
four years of marching myself. One of the many things I learned from Werner
was that you should never choose your direction from what a judge or any one
says. Never did Dustin please the judges, nor did he try. He had an outright
dislike for what judges saw and never would have adapted to them. That you
would suggest that shows that you have never watched a Dustuin Werner show
with an open mind. You dislike it because it's not what you wanted to see.
I'd also like to add that in his second to last year, In Memorium Dresden,
not only did the band not decline, but placed second at Indy regional, first
at Morgantown, and won AAA at nationals. Now for a band that does shows that
are known for getting calls of "what?" rather than applause, thats pretty
impressive.
Now a note to current band members, you want the alumni to shut up and fix
the problem? We're not there to fix it anymore, it's time for you to take
responsibility for yourselves and step up as squad leaders and kick things
around. It's ridiculous for you to ask anything of us when we already taught
you and helped when we were section leaders. It's time for you guys to lead
now. I know if I can teach, most of you should be able to. So stop whining
about how no one does anything and do it yourselves.
Mike DeTray
Bob Mayzer <bma...@ee.net> wrote in message
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need to do the fighting. Whining to alumni won't get you anywhere. As long
as current members support the current program, nothing will change, and I
mean nothing. The Alumni are not against you, so stop saying that. They
know more about this band than any of you do, so listen to them very
carefully. The current problem in this marching band is that we have too
many chiefs and not enough indians. Get the picture? No one from the Alumni
can save you, and no magical person is coming to save the program; Only you
current members can help yourselves.
So do it!
ENUFFS ENUPH
statements and personal attacks that have been made about him
on this newsgroup clearly demonstrates a "LACK OF CLASS" that
is usually associated with the WS band.
I have seen the Westerville South band for many years and there
are MANY parents, administrators and Westerville citizens that
think he is simply bringing a situation that was somewhat "out
of control" back in line with community expectations.
I think it's obvious from many of the posts that BOA goals had
indeed taken over this program. I have yet to read a single
concern about the direction he is taking the concert program. I
have yet to read long lists of any honors the concert program
received during the great BOA years...could it be because there
were few honors due to the emphasis placed on the marching band?
The South marching band has seldom, in the '90's, presented
performances at football games that were "enjoyed" by the majority
of those in attendance. While football games are in no way the
primary reason a marching band exists, a wise director does not
overlook the fact that this is, without question, where the largest
number of TAX PAYERS will form their opinion about their marching
band. I feel the band program at Westerville North has done a much
better job of realizing this and has found a way to take care of
both community and competition goals.
Mr. Parker can keep the South band a very successful organization
that provides the kids with a quality MUSIC EDUCATION. It is most
unfortunate that some of the current members and many of the alumni
members believe success can only be verified if they hear the BOA
announcer tell them they BEAT enough bands to make finals. How sad!
I would imagine that some of these same people would consider such
programs as Grove City or Gahanna (to name just a couple) to be of less
quality than the Westerville South program, simply based on their lack
of success or participation in BOA. Those people would probably be
very shocked at the results if a poll of Ohio music educators and
music judges were taken asking them to name the top 10 BAND PROGRAMS in
Ohio based upon the music education that was being provided to students.
Enough is enough!
Patty flah
Enough is enough!
>>
amen
Wm. J. Albright
bigd...@my-deja.com
You'll get the REAL story then. ;o)
bigd...@my-deja.com
nocoo...@aol.com (NOCoolatta) wrote:
>
> just a thought..
> NOCoolatta
>
Yeah.....everyone wants to rule the world don't they?
BurgrBarn
program! Just move on. Amen
BurgrBarn
i have been in the band. (I am now a junior) And Mr. Werner too did football
shows. Not every week but we did do them.
BurgrBarn
BurgrBarn
they don't know about, what they aren't there to see...and I am gonna take your
advice and stop posting about the program (unless something really really
bothers me again) You can think what you want
DeTray
for agreeing.
As for the band, altho I think BurgrBarn doesn't have his crap straight, I
do agree. Lay off the band people, I mean, jeez, We're talkin about high
school kids in a program thats still good, just not at the heights it once
was. Give them some credit, we all know it's not easy. They don't need
people telling them they can't do it, they need encouragement. I wish them
all the luck. But I think what BurgrBarn needs to be saying is, don't knock
the program, don't talk smack. Thats the problem. Not that they don't have
support. They have tons. So ignore all the bad words if you are in band and
if you aren't, keep it to yourselves.
So if anyone in the band reads this, good luck, y'nkow I love ya, and I miss
my lowbrass. So get out there and do it darn it.
<bigd...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7q66rb$jng$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Mike is right. You current "memebers" (What little there are left)
>
> need to do the fighting. Whining to alumni won't get you anywhere. As
long
> as current members support the current program, nothing will change, and I
> mean nothing. The Alumni are not against you, so stop saying that. They
> know more about this band than any of you do, so listen to them very
> carefully. The current problem in this marching band is that we have too
> many chiefs and not enough indians. Get the picture? No one from the
Alumni
> can save you, and no magical person is coming to save the program; Only
you
> current members can help yourselves.
>
> So do it!
>
>
bigd...@my-deja.com
other. :o)
Mr. Tuba
> see something more entertaining than the same inapproriate (for
> football) show for 10 weeks in a row. This sentiment is shared by a
> number of band and football parents I know.
Have you EVER marched a show in today's marching style?? I know, I
know...it looks really really simple, right? Oh wait, I forgot
this...<sarcasm></sarcasm> You write a drill and arrangement of
music...oh wait, MULTIPLE drills and arrangements that are both
challenging musically and physically, yet pump up the team and
crowd...remember, you gotta do more than one, AND convince your students
that it's not that bad...you know, learning 70 sets of one show, then an
additional 30 for the "football crowd". And with all that extra
practice time and energy just waiting to be used, well I'm sure the kids
will be super gung-ho.
> The present band members will never hear "their" music once they
> graduate. I think the memories are very important because most band
> members will not continue in music after high school and none will be
> in marching band after college.
Yeah, that's a good solution. Hey, who's up for the next Backstreet
Boys show? Oh yeah baby! Popular music translates SO well onto the
field...lemme tell ya. That's why bands moved further and further away
from it. Yeah. That's why music programs are stronger than ever.
Students are being pushed to the next level...musically speaking. But
hey, we could always return to the park and blow style with a little
Sousa. Oh yeah...and there's another one...people love Sousa and others
they've only heard 2 billion times. At first it's "I recognize
that"...then, "well I thought our band played that when I was in high
school." Then "man, they should do some new music." ...oh
wait...that's what's being done.
> The band owes something to the community who pays the bills. Band is
> not the only activity in our community needing supplemental funding.
No. The band does not OWE it to the community. If you're going to say
that, then you might as well say we should let the military take over
the country, because heck, we OWE our freedom to them...they should have
it...MARTIAL LAW!
> Band can be both entertaing to the unwashed masses and teach music, to
> deny this is to foster an attiude that undermines the support from the
> community that music educators desperately need. No BOA judge votes on
> school tax levies in my school district.
I agree. But hey, when a band plays something challenging instead of a
motionless rendition of Hey Jude, they'll learn more musically and most
likely in the memories department as well. Btw, I hear my marching
shows fairly often...The Planets is kind of popular among some of the
educated...
...btw, sorry for jumping into this discussion so late...i just noticed
it.
--
Mr. Tuba
SWTexan
http://www.lcmband.com
"Stupidity should be painful"
bigd...@my-deja.com
> > The band owes something to the community who pays the bills. Band is
> > not the only activity in our community needing supplemental funding.
>
> No. The band does not OWE it to the community. If you're going to say
> that, then you might as well say we should let the military take over
> the country, because heck, we OWE our freedom to them...they should have
> it...MARTIAL LAW!
>
Ah, Mr. Tuba, I am so glad to see you jumping into this. *Wink Wink ;o)* I
would just like to point something out here. While you may not agree with
the above statement, I don't think we have to worry about the "military
taking over". The cold war has been over for about ten years. The Russians
aren't comin' man. And besides, communites make up the military and the
government. You've been reading to many Tom Clancy novels. One more thing,
I don't think the men and women who died for everyone were like your
statement. :o)
Mr. Tuba, the band members of South are part of Westerville. Therefore,
they represent the community already. So, your statement is very vague and
not very factual. Sir, you have violated several laws of basic speech. Any,
how did you say, educated person would have realized that. ;o)
Oh, and in case you were mistaken, McCarthyism ended 45 years ago. Get over
it.
BurgrBarn
a_mos...@hotmail.com
>would just like to point something out here. While you may not agree with
>the above statement, I don't think we have to worry about the "military
>taking over". The cold war has been over for about ten years. The Russians
>aren't comin' man. And besides, communites make up the military and the
>government. You've been reading to many Tom Clancy novels. One more thing,
>I don't think the men and women who died for everyone were like your
>statement. :o)
look like your high school and then posting it on your school's
website
Mr. Tuba
> >Ah, Mr. Tuba, I am so glad to see you jumping into this. *Wink Wink ;o)* I
> >would just like to point something out here. While you may not agree with
> >the above statement, I don't think we have to worry about the "military
> >taking over". The cold war has been over for about ten years. The Russians
> >aren't comin' man. And besides, communites make up the military and the
> >government. You've been reading to many Tom Clancy novels. One more thing,
> >I don't think the men and women who died for everyone were like your
> >statement. :o)
--
Mr. Tuba©
comment on what I CAN see. See Below...
> Could someone repost this post? All I can see is the reply....thanks.
>
> > >Ah, Mr. Tuba, I am so glad to see you jumping into this. *Wink Wink ;o)* I
> > >would just like to point something out here. While you may not agree with
> > >the above statement, I don't think we have to worry about the "military
> > >taking over". The cold war has been over for about ten years. The Russians
> > >aren't comin' man. And besides, communites make up the military and the
> > >government. You've been reading to many Tom Clancy novels. One more thing,
> > >I don't think the men and women who died for everyone were like your
> > >statement. :o)
Believe me, I have no fear of the military taking over. I think you probably
missed my point completely. Heck, if that was what I meant, then I would probably
have the notion in my head that the "community" was going to take the band program
over. Btw, I didn't say that those who died for our freedom were like that...not
at all...
--
looking forward to the weekend...
