what do you think of nausicaa's ending?
Chris Stadler
i just finished re-reading the nausicaa perfect collection and am still
somewhat confused/let-down with the ending...do you feel that it fits with
the rest of the story? i read a mayazaki interview where he said he
didn't know how to end his epic and rushed through the last books in order
to be done with it.
in some ways i enjoy the anime more than the manga...it is much more
simple and straight-forward.
what do you think?
Bob Martino
In article <6bac3s$20r$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
csta...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Chris Stadler) wrote:
The story was truly sad. Basically, Nausicaa destroys the future of the
human race. It messed with my head for a couple of weeks afterwards.
--
Bob Martino (bmar...@osu.edu) I look up to the heavens
but night has clouded over
Perkins Observatory Web site: no spark of constellation
http://www-astronomy.mps. no Vela no Orion
ohio-state.edu/~perkins/ -Enya
Michael Welsh Duggan
csta...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Chris Stadler) writes:
> i just finished re-reading the nausicaa perfect collection and am still
> somewhat confused/let-down with the ending...do you feel that it fits with
> the rest of the story? i read a mayazaki interview where he said he
> didn't know how to end his epic and rushed through the last books in order
> to be done with it.
>
> in some ways i enjoy the anime more than the manga...it is much more
> simple and straight-forward.
I agree that the ending was rushed and incomplete, but I in no way can
agree with your last statement. I can easily put up with the lack of
a decent ending with a much better plotted and written (and longer)
story to go with it.
--
Michael Duggan
(md...@cs.cmu.edu)
Vampire
Chris Stadler wrote:
>
> i just finished re-reading the nausicaa perfect collection and am still
> somewhat confused/let-down with the ending...do you feel that it fits with
> the rest of the story? i read a mayazaki interview where he said he
> didn't know how to end his epic and rushed through the last books in order
> to be done with it.
>
> in some ways i enjoy the anime more than the manga...it is much more
> simple and straight-forward.
>
Hmm, I didn't really get a *rushed* feeling out of the ending. Maybe
it's
just me. I didn't read the story in a linear fashion either, as I got
into
it late ( my loss ) and as a result had to scramble around for back
issues and
collections.
My favorite part of the manga is the battle where the soldiers scrafice
themselves
to save Nausicaa, and Kai is shot. The part where Kai comes back to
life and kicks
ass is almost cenimatic in its flow and power. ( I think he was dead and
Nausicaa's ( power? spirit? ) revived him. This point could be argued )
I enjoyed the manga much more than the movie, but the movie is still
fantastic.
The Vampire
(My cars plate says BGCRISIS! Say no more.....)
Nobutoshi Ito
In article <6bac3s$20r$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>
csta...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Chris Stadler) writes:
> i just finished re-reading the nausicaa perfect collection and am still
> somewhat confused/let-down with the ending...do you feel that it fits with
> the rest of the story? i read a mayazaki interview where he said he
> didn't know how to end his epic and rushed through the last books in order
> to be done with it.
I've got the same impression; the ending was rushed and rather
disappointing.
> in some ways i enjoy the anime more than the manga...it is much more
> simple and straight-forward.
Simple maybe but I cannot say I enjoyed anime more (or the other
way around). The anime lacked depth in the character of Tormekian
people. I like Kushana in manga more than in anime, for example.
Although its ending was not to good, the Nausicaa manga was
excellent on the whole.
--
Nobutoshi Ito
non...@trp.beri.co.jp
"demo ne, sore demo ne, watashi wa anime ga suki..."
Marco De la Cruz
csta...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Chris Stadler) writes:
> in some ways i enjoy the anime more than the manga...it is much more
> simple and straight-forward.
I also liked the movie more than the manga. Then again,
I've always thought Miyazaki is a much better film-maker
than mangaka (personally, I don't think he was _that_
modest). Mononoke Hime undoubtly proves this once more.
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'Vejita' S. Cousin
I'm sorry to have to ask such a basic question but have all the
Nausicaa manga volumes been released in the US in English? I've been
busy/away from anime for a while but if they are all out I'd REALLY like
to get them.
Thanks in Advance
Sydney
moulds clinton
Hello Manga fans!
I'm new to this group, so please reply and tell me what you think!
I don't think the ending was bad, I think Miyazaki just tried to do
too much with it. I have just read all 4 perfect collection volumes
and I absolutely loved it. Ending or no ending the characters and
the spirit of the book is wonderful. But I think there is something
to be gleaned from the (admittely confusing) ending.
Shakespeare's tragedy "King Lear" presented a very similar message.
It centered on the duality of folly - the Christian folly, protrayed
by the King's Fool, vs. worldly folly, seen in Goneril and Regan.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the King of Torumekia also had
a Fool, or that the Master of the Crypt used the Fool to speak to
Nausicaa.
Also when Nausicaa at the very end realized that the blood of the
Ohmu and the blood of the Crypt were the same! Folly is seen in
worldly wisdom - the Crypt - belief that technology can truly save
us. But folly is also seen in faith - the Ohmu - for what is faith
but belief in the absurd (Kierkegaard)?
Bottom line, we should live life not because of hope, but hope
because of life.
--
Clint Moulds
Millersville, MD
jls...@hevanet.com
> > i just finished re-reading the nausicaa perfect collection and am still
> > somewhat confused/let-down with the ending...do you feel that it fits with
> > the rest of the story? i read a mayazaki interview where he said he
> > didn't know how to end his epic and rushed through the last books in order
> > to be done with it.
I hadn't seen this interview, but it would explain a fair bit. For the
first three volumes of the perfect collection (I started _very_ late) I
was completely blown away by the art, the story, and the depth of the
writing...I tried to get everyone I knew to read it. Then I got the
fourth volume, and was completely confused and disappointed. I don't
even mind the ending; it is rather depressing in a way, but it does fit
Nausicaa's characterization, if you think about it for a while. I just
wish it was of a comparable writing level...it lost so much it could have
given us before it was all over. I get the feeling that it was meant to
be more hopeful than it came across as...as it stands, it does look like
Nausicaa has screwed over humanity, but I think it was meant to convey an
essential faith in humanity, and the ability for humanity to triumph and
become something great. I just wish all of that was there...
> > in some ways i enjoy the anime more than the manga...it is much more
> > simple and straight-forward.
I don't like the anime as much; the art is wonderful, but the
characterization is of a much lower quality. Then again, you kind of
have to expect that distinction between a seven-volume magna run and a
single video ^_~
On the other hand, I think the anime storyline ended up being much more
solidly developed all the way through. Oh well.
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All of them have been released. They were published in 3 formats, only
one of which you will be able to get easily. They were all put out in
single issues by (Viz? almost positive it didn't switch over...), but I
have never even seen most of the back issues, and if you can find them
all, I will worship you. Next each of the seven volumes was collected to
a little trade paperback edition, with very nice pastel covers. Many of
those are out of print, and they will not be re-printed as the runs sell
out, so if you have the slightest interest in these and find them, grab
'em quick! All of them have now been re-released by Viz (this one I'm
sure of) in their "Perect Collections". There are 4 volumes, which have
the complete storyline. I haven't noticed any printing errors, and the
binding seems to be Viz's high quality. I read mine often, and haven't
had any problems with them. I highly recommend getting these. They are
wonderful!
Addison Godel
jls...@hevanet.com wrote in article <886719184...@dejanews.com>...
> 'em quick! All of them have now been re-released by Viz (this one I'm
> sure of) in their "Perect Collections". There are 4 volumes, which have
> the complete storyline. I haven't noticed any printing errors, and the
Don't think it really counts as a 'printing error', but I never did find
out why the back of the 3rd Perfect Collection described the plot of the
first half of the 4th. It was a bit of a spoiler, to be honest...
---Addison, who seems to have lost his first Perfect Collection...damn
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Bob Martino (bmar...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: The story was truly sad. Basically, Nausicaa destroys the future of the
: human race. It messed with my head for a couple of weeks afterwards.
Re: Other posts in this thread.
I like the manga a lot more than the movie and do not see any evidence
of rushed and badly written ending. This maybe because I'm completely
bowled over by everything else in Nausicaa, but I fancy myself objective
and well-read enough to be able to tell a badly written ending from a good
one. :)
Back to Bob's post.
Nausicaa destroys the Crypt because she believes people should be able
to find their own future rather than the predetermined, engineered,
and prefabricated future of the Crypt. If this means dooming humanity
in the end, so be it.
It is a dilemma. Is a future utopia worth your freedom and happiness?
Some people believe it is. Some don't. I think Nausicaa, like me,
believes that people should be given their freedom and they'll find
their own happiness (or break down trying). And who's to say the Crypt's
technology is the only way Nausicaa's people may survive in a purified
world? Maybe they'll develop their own technology. Maybe they'll find
ways to adapt. But certainly, with the Crypt destroyed, they won't be
manipulated anymore.
"ANIME-MANGA FOREVER!"
Tony.
Chris Stadler
moulds clinton (cmo...@umbc.edu) wrote:
: Bottom line, we should live life not because of hope, but hope
: because of life.
: --
: Clint Moulds
that is a cool way of putting it, clint...i think that captures alot of
what nausicaa is about. the whole king lear thing is interesting too (i
thought that fool character in nausicaa came out of nowhere).
regarding my original comparison of the manga vs. the anime...i enjoy the
movie as (imo) mayazaki's best (haven't seen MH yet) and the perfect
champion of anime (i show it to my friends who equate anime with legend of
the overfiend). the manga, in its turn, is actually one of the best
comics i have ever read...which says more than my anime rating since i
have read been reading comics far longer than watching anime...
i guess the manga leaves me much more confused/troubled than the
anime...which isn't a bad thing ^-^ (it also makes sense since mayazaki
made the anime when he was only half done with the manga)
christian
moulds clinton
Chris Stadler <csta...@dept.english.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
> regarding my original comparison of the manga vs. the anime...i enjoy the
> movie as (imo) mayazaki's best (haven't seen MH yet) and the perfect
> champion of anime (i show it to my friends who equate anime with legend of
> the overfiend). the manga, in its turn, is actually one of the best
> comics i have ever read...which says more than my anime rating since i
> have read been reading comics far longer than watching anime...
>
> i guess the manga leaves me much more confused/troubled than the
> anime...which isn't a bad thing ^-^ (it also makes sense since mayazaki
> made the anime when he was only half done with the manga)
>
> christian
My friend introduced me to the anime first, then later I found the manga.
I agree with you that Nausicaa is the perfect champion of anime, it's
what got me into taking this stuff seriously. I really enjoyed the movie
but it really can't be compared to the manga - which is epic!
One thing that the manga cleared up for me about the movie: when
Nausicaa brings down the flying jar and rescues the baby Ohmu she has a
red dress. Then a couple scenes later the dress is blue. I thought
they just made a mistake and made it blue to fit the ancient legend, but
it was the blood of the Ohmu she saved! Kind of gross to be covered in
blood half the time, but she looks good in blue. :)
BTW where can I find the interview with Miyazaki where he talks about
Nausicaa? Is it on the web somewhere?
Chris Stadler
moulds clinton (cmo...@umbc.edu) wrote:
: BTW where can I find the interview with Miyazaki where he talks about
: Nausicaa? Is it on the web somewhere?
http://www.nausicaa.net/~miyazaki/file-archive/nau-end.interview
i think this is the one but it looks like he is talking more about the
science in nausicaa, and the interview i read dealt more with HM and his
feelings about the book.
christian
HitomiK
>In article <6bac3s$20r$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>
> csta...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Chris Stadler) writes:
>
>> somewhat confused/let-down with the ending...do you feel that it fits with
>> the rest of the story? i read a mayazaki interview where he said he
>> didn't know how to end his epic and rushed through the last books in order
>> to be done with it.
>
>disappointing.
I was also disappointed by the ending. I felt there was little thought given to
it and therefore it seemed very shallow and meaningless compared to the rest of
the story. I read the whole series from the first time the translations began
being released in the US. Warriors of the Wind got me interested in the story
and when they finally started releasing the Nausicaa manga in the US I was
exstatic! I devoured each issue as it was released. I don't know how many years
it took for the series to be released, but I anxiously waited for each new
chapter to be released. And then toward the end it started to lose something
and the ending itself was a terrible let down for me. The promising start of
the series was wasted as far as I was concerned.
I also enjoyed the anime very much, I actually didn't see the original movie
until after I finished the manga. I liked it very, very much. More than the
manga actually, but it does lack the depth and detail that the manga is able to
convey.
Steph