Some thoughts about SpringThing 2007
Bob
had much fun playing them. The results are exactly the order I rated
them, so I am pleased with the outcome, too.
But what I find strange is how anybody could have rated any of the
games a one. There was no two for the games, yet three of them have
been found as bad as could be. I really don't understand that. They
were competently done and although I had some difficulties with
CamelGirl, I can't imagine anyone giving it less than a three (I gave
it a five). Even less I understand this regarding Starship Volant (the
one who rated it a 10 obviously was a great Star Trek fan) and
Reluctant Resurectee, which definitly was fun to play.
If somebody who voted these games down could explain it to me, I'd be
pleased.
Bob
lumi...@hotmail.com
My reaction was pretty much the same, it was a good bunch of games all
around, and while the voting results averaged out to be pretty
predictable, I don't understand some of the incredibly low scores
either. Even the Camel Girl one, despite having a couple of major
problems was fun enough, and I can't imagine anyone giving it a one.
Of course these kind of wild variations happen all the time in the
IFComp, and I suspect it's just more noticeable here because of the
low number of voters. (Why -has- there been such a low amount of
interest in this comp for the last couple of years anyway?)
Anyway, I expect to see some reviews popping up over the next few
days, so hopefully the people with the strongest opinions will take
the opportunity to air them.
lumi...@hotmail.com
Funny, someone's even gone and given this -topic- a low rating. I
guess it's a sensitive issue?
Mike Snyder
news:1177620672.6...@t39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Funny, someone's even gone and given this -topic- a low rating. I
> guess it's a sensitive issue?
Given the *topic* a low rating?
Explain, please....
---- Mike.
Stuart Moore
Google Groups (and maybe other online newsgroup sites) allow you to rate
topics.
--
Stuart "Sslaxx" Moore
http://sslaxx.livejournal.com/
David Whyld
I think you get a few people in every comp who find it amusing to vote
some or all of the games a 1.
David Whyld
> <lumin_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
She means someone voted Bob a 1 for starting this topic.
Adam Thornton
Stuart Moore <N...@SPAM.HERE> wrote:
>Mike Snyder wrote:
>> <lumi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1177620672.6...@t39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Funny, someone's even gone and given this -topic- a low rating. I
>>> guess it's a sensitive issue?
>> Given the *topic* a low rating?
>> Explain, please....
>Google Groups (and maybe other online newsgroup sites) allow you to rate
>topics.
Forums *ONE*, Usenet *ZERO*.
Adam
Emily Short
> I think you get a few people in every comp who find it amusing to vote
> some or all of the games a 1.
Or just do so in order to leverage the effect of their votes maximally
-- I know of some people who always assign 10 to their favorite in a
competition and 1 to their least-favorite, regardless of how they felt
the games compared to other IF in general.
Jacek Pudlo
The setup made me restart my puter. This must be some advanced thingy, I'm
thinking, considering how it's written in Virtual Basic and how with every
game the thingy prints helpful and informative snippets like "Loading,"
"Processing," "Indexing tasks."
Why does the "runner" (Australian for "interpreter"?) default to green
output and red input on a black background? Why is the input in its own
little window? Why is the response to no-input "that's not a recognised
command"? Why does the thingy look like a computer terminal in an old sci-fi
movie? Why doesn't David Whyld learn Inform?
lumi...@hotmail.com
So are you trying to say I should return the pitchfork and gas can to
the hardware store before I even get a chance to use them? :(
JDC
This is sort of how my scores ended up as they did (I gave scores of
9, 8, 5, and 4). It wasn't so much that I thought the game I rated a 4
was a bad game, just that:
- I wanted to give distinct scores to all games
- I wanted to give my favorite a 9
- I wanted a gap between my #2 and #3 choices
-JDC
K M
as there is in individual players assigning a score (just Google
"Likert score validity".)
<rant> The plural of "anecdote" isn't "data", it's _Psychology Today_.
</rant>
David Whyld
No. Waste of good money.
I can give you directions to Pudlo's house if you like...
Cassy Palop
> some or all of the games a 1.
Sadly true. :(
Mark Tilford
I rank games relative to each other; a 1 is simply the worst of the
games I played in that comp; a 10 is the best of the games I played. It
does not have any objective meaning; a game might get a 10 if it were
entered in a one-hour comp but a 1 in the IF comp.
Poster
like giving out ones to those two games. It's nothing personal, it's
just that two word parsers incite rage. :)
--Poster
www.intaligo.com Inform Building Doom metal
lumi...@hotmail.com
Adrift has a two word parser?
Bert Byfield
> like giving out ones to those two games. It's nothing personal, it's
> just that two word parsers incite rage. :)
When I tried to install the ADRIFT engine on Windows XP, I got a
message that one or more of my system programs were out of date and
would have to be updated/replaced by the installer program. I took that
as a red flag and quit the install.
Then it didn't seem reasonable to only test half the entries on the
list.
David Whyld
Damn. And there I was thinking that my belief that lots of RAIF people
dislike Adrift for silly reasons was wrong.
Bert Byfield
>>> *felt* like giving out ones to those two games. It's nothing
>>> personal, it's just that two word parsers incite rage. :)
>> Adrift has a two word parser?
> Damn. And there I was thinking that my belief that lots of RAIF
> people dislike Adrift for silly reasons was wrong.
A two-word parser sounds like a real limitation to me, but I didn't get
that far, since I don't trust an install program that wants to change
system programs that work just fine for Civilization IV and Grand Theft
Auto et cetera..
Adam Thornton
Well, wait a minute here.
If ADRIFT *doesn't* have a two word parser, then....why did Poster
*think* it did?
Adam
David Whyld
> In article <1177717329.413304.110...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 27, 11:21 pm, lumin_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Apr 27, 4:58 pm, Poster <poster@!nospam!.aurora.cotse.net> wrote:
> >> > I didn't vote, but when I ran into the ADRIFT parser I really *felt*
> >> > like giving out ones to those two games. It's nothing personal, it's
> >> > just that two word parsers incite rage. :)
> >> Adrift has a two word parser?
> >Damn. And there I was thinking that my belief that lots of RAIF people
> >dislike Adrift for silly reasons was wrong.
>
> Well, wait a minute here.
>
> If ADRIFT *doesn't* have a two word parser, then....why did Poster
> *think* it did?
>
> Adam
Beats me. A bloke down the pub told him so it must be true. Can't
argue with that kind of thing.
I'll have to include this scene in a game I'm writing.
> talk to bloke in pub
SORRY. ADRIFT ONLY UNDERSTANDS TWO WORDS.
> talk to
AND?
> bloke in
AND
> pub
TA-DA!
Not really a limitation when you think about it.
David Whyld
Did you try Gargoyle?
Bert Byfield
>> message that one or more of my system programs were out of date
>> and would have to be updated/replaced by the installer program. I
>> took that as a red flag and quit the install.
> Did you try Gargoyle?
No. I hadn't heard of it. It sounds amazing. I'm downloading it now.
Thanks! ;-)
Jacek Pudlo
> I can give you directions to Pudlo's house if you like...
Can you? Do you know where I live? Where *do* I live? It appears --
according to Emily Short -- that I live in Gotland where I am "a member of
an academic community [...] possibly based in Visby, since that seems to be
the main city on the island." Ah, the sheer brilliance of the woman! What
powers of deduction! "If X lives in New York State, X possibly lives in NYC,
since that seems to be the main city of the state."
Luckily enough, Pudlo Hall is not situated in the picturesque hamlet of
Visby (hardly a city, even by Scandinavian standards). Its exact whereabouts
are shrouded in mystery, but I'll give you a clue. My house is situated in
the centre of a major European city and cleverly camouflaged by a hologram
of two HIV-infested, syringe-wielding, eye-gouging, randomly insane,
fighting crack whores. To locate it, just attampt to *walk through* any
HIV-infested, syringe-wielding, eye-gouging, randomly insane fighting crack
whores you happen to come across in Europe. Start with Lissabon and move
east. Once you've decamouflaged the hologram, find the holographic device,
TURN DEVICE OFF, and, voila!, you'll be standing right in front of Pudlo
Hall.
Here are some more clues, including my language skills, sexual inclinations,
ethnic background, telephone number, profession, historical interests, etc.
David Whyld
By "directions to Pudlo's house" I actually meant "do a Google search
on child sex offenders and Pudlo will be top of the list", but I guess
your way works fine too.
Adam Thornton
Jacek Pudlo <ja...@jacek.jacek> wrote:
>Luckily enough, Pudlo Hall is not situated in the picturesque
>hamlet
> of Visby (hardly a city, even by Scandinavian standards).
You just gave the game away there, Elsinore-boy.
Adam
Jacek Pudlo
> By "directions to Pudlo's house" I actually meant "do a Google search
> on child sex offenders and Pudlo will be top of the list", but I guess
> your way works fine too.
You couldn't skewer a cube of tofu with wit this dull.
A whiff of Whyld's unwieldy wit:
FART (in_The Reluctant Resurectee_)
"Lacking a behind and the required organs to produce such a thing, you're
sadly not going to fart any time soon."
I can see how this was *supposed* to be funny, but I'm not laughing. Why go
through the trouble of implementing a FART command in a game where the PC is
a disembodied eye, if you have nothing amusing to say?
PRAY
"You can't but help but think that if there is a God, He's having a good
laugh at you now."
In a way, this is worse than Panks's campy brand of humour. You could always
laugh at Panks, if not with him. In your case, it's neither with nor at.
Adam Thornton
Jacek Pudlo <ja...@jacek.jacek> wrote:
>I can see how this was *supposed* to be funny, but I'm not laughing. Why go
>through the trouble of implementing a FART command in a game where the PC is
>a disembodied eye, if you have nothing amusing to say?
I haven't played _The Reluctant Resurrectee_, but disembodied eye?
David, are you by any chance a Tom Waits fan?
Adam
David Whyld
> In article <P1NYh.39627$E02.15...@newsb.telia.net>,
>
> Jacek Pudlo <j...@jacek.jacek> wrote:
> >I can see how this was *supposed* to be funny, but I'm not laughing. Why go
> >through the trouble of implementing a FART command in a game where the PC is
> >a disembodied eye, if you have nothing amusing to say?
>
> I haven't played _The Reluctant Resurrectee_, but disembodied eye?
> David, are you by any chance a Tom Waits fan?
>
> Adam
Nope, can't say that I am.
David Whyld
I guess you must have missed:
> IMPLY PUDLO IS A PAEDOPHILE
"No implication required. It's what everyone knows anyway."
But damn, why are *you* playing my game? I'm sure I put a note in the
README file that only people who have sex with people above the legal
age limit are allowed to play it.
JDC
> I haven't played _The Reluctant Resurrectee_, but disembodied eye?
> David, are you by any chance a Tom Waits fan?
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of that...
This eyeball can blink, though.
-JDC
Jacek Pudlo
You sound jealous of all the sex I'm supposedly having. Surely, there must
be someone out there who can tolerate your dull repetetiveness, your lack of
charm and wit, your bad breath, and simply take you for who you are? Should
worst come to worst, you can always find a koala to cuddle up to.
David Whyld
Not a baby one though. I'll leave that to you :)
David Whyld
Okay, now I'm curious about the Tom Waits reference. Did he write
songs about disembodied eyeballs or something?
JDC
I assume Adam was referring to the song "Eyeball Kid" (are there
others?); you can probably find the lyrics somewhere on the web.
-JDC
David Whyld
Damn, did I unintentionally plagiarise the idea? It's getting to
something when even a game about a bouncing disembodied eyeball isn't
original ;/
Bert Byfield
>>> Okay, now I'm curious about the Tom Waits reference. Did he
>>> write songs about disembodied eyeballs or something?
>> I assume Adam was referring to the song "Eyeball Kid" (are there
>> others?); you can probably find the lyrics somewhere on the web.
> Damn, did I unintentionally plagiarise the idea? It's getting to
> something when even a game about a bouncing disembodied eyeball
> isn't original ;/
I think I remember Jacek praising Nabokov, to whom (in books such as
*Lolita* at least, the eye was a symbol for a vaguely similar-looking
part of the female anatomy. Nabokov is very clever with word play of
this sort, and the eyeball that blinks (or the implied one that
doesn't) may be a subtle reference to that.
David Whyld
Jacek praising Nabokov? Can't imagine why ;/
Adam Thornton
David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Damn, did I unintentionally plagiarise the idea? It's getting to
>something when even a game about a bouncing disembodied eyeball isn't
>original ;/
I doubt it unless your game is about a disembodied eyeball who goes into
show business.
Adam
Adam Thornton
JDC <jd...@psu.edu> wrote:
>On Apr 28, 6:18 pm, David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 28, 10:43 pm, JDC <j...@psu.edu> wrote:
>> > On Apr 28, 3:27 pm, a...@fsf.net (Adam Thornton) wrote:
>> > > I haven't played _The Reluctant Resurrectee_, but disembodied eye?
>> > > David, are you by any chance a Tom Waits fan?
>> > Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of that...
>> > This eyeball can blink, though.
>> songs about disembodied eyeballs or something?
>I assume Adam was referring to the song "Eyeball Kid" (are there
>others?); you can probably find the lyrics somewhere on the web.
I know of no other Tom Waits songs about disembodied eyes; I was indeed
thinking of The Eyeball Kid.
But that's because I am as much a Tom Waits fanboy as I am a Thomas
Pynchon fanboy, and I view the world through lenses of Waits and
Gravity's Rainbow. Which does make it an interesting place to live.
Adam
Adam Thornton
Because he's one of the five best writers of the 20th Century, maybe?
Adam
David Whyld
> In article <1177799683.155331.209...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Pssst... no giving away the plotline for the sequel...
David Whyld
Yes, of course that's the reason. nudgenudgewinkwinksaynomore
Jacek Pudlo
Some slimy slander-secreting slug spreads a scurrilous smear and this is
what I have to live with for the rest of my life.
David Whyld
I have several answers to this which I'll list as follows:
a) If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
b) Take the high road and depart the IF community. You'll escape all
this 'smearing' and, best of all, no one will miss you.
c) Do you really think anyone gives a crap how you feel about things?
I'm working on several other kick-'em-while-they're-down answers which
I'll post later on.
The Wanderer
Actually, from my perspective, it looks like they're making these
references not because of the "smear" to which you refer but because you
have recently made a big stink about said event. Personally, I was
entirely unaware that the post you have referred to so many times had
been made - and had never seen any indication that anyone else knew (or,
for that matter, cared) about it - before you started complaining at
every opportunity about an issue which had apparently been long dead.
Now that the matter has been brought to people's attention, for reasons
at which I could guess but which probably differ from person to person,
they appear to be having some fun with it. If you drop the matter and do
not respond to baiting, it will probably soon die out again, though
perhaps not quite as far as if you had not resurrected it in the first
place.
(I would send this privately rather than pollute the newsgroups with
more discussion on this topic, had you provided a valid address. As it
stands, please not that if you respond in a kneejerk flaming, trollish
fashion such as seems to be your usual, I will make no reply no matter
what the provocation.)
--
The Wanderer dislikes posting something that densely written, but
can't see a clean way to fix it
Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any
side of it.
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.
Jacek Pudlo
Emily Short live? Was it to test me? How long will you test me, God?
God
news:ab2Zh.39681$E02....@newsb.telia.net...
> God, why did you kill a gentle soul like Star C. Foster but let a viper
> like Emily Short live? Was it to test me? How long will you test me, God?
We won't/don't/haven't "control/controlled" death and life, Jacek. We
have/will let things take/have taken their course as they will/won't. A sort
of "start the game rolling and let the chips fall where they may" approach.
It's a bit hands-off but we do/have/will step in from time to time, we'll
grant you/have granted you that much.
As far as "testing you." Honestly, we barely register/have registered your
existence, if we're going to be/have been/will be perfectly honest with you.
David Whyld
> God, why did you kill a gentle soul like Star C. Foster but let a viper like
> Emily Short live? Was it to test me? How long will you test me, God?
Even by your standards, Pudlo, that's a low one. You miffed because
your neighbour successfully got that restraining order taken out
against you so that means no "Pudlo 'n' the neighbour's kid" for the
foreseeable future?
Satan
> "Jacek Pudlo" <jacek.jacek@jacek> wrote in message
> news:ab2Zh.39681$E02....@newsb.telia.net...
>> God, why did you kill a gentle soul like Star C. Foster but let a viper
>> like Emily Short live? Was it to test me? How long will you test me, God?
>
> We won't/don't/haven't "control/controlled" death and life, Jacek.
That was me.
Jacek Pudlo
Hi Satan!
So the embolism was meant for Short, but you somehow
confused/bribed/whatever the angel of death so that Foster got whacked
instead? Is Short under your protection? Is that why when you replace the
last four letters of her surname with the last four letters of your name you
get "Satan"?
Are you reading this, God?
Hazard Suit
Don't feed the trolls. Please.
Richard Bos
> On Apr 28, 11:24 pm, JDC <j...@psu.edu> wrote:
> > On Apr 28, 6:18 pm, David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, now I'm curious about the Tom Waits reference. Did he write
> > > songs about disembodied eyeballs or something?
> >
> > I assume Adam was referring to the song "Eyeball Kid" (are there
> > others?); you can probably find the lyrics somewhere on the web.
>
> Damn, did I unintentionally plagiarise the idea? It's getting to
> something when even a game about a bouncing disembodied eyeball isn't
> original ;/
Sorry, David, but disembodied eyeballs haven't been original since
Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings.
Post-Modernist theory of the day: the king in TRR is an other-mediate
reincarnation of Sauron, second-in-command of evil.
Richard
albtraum
*cough*RALPHWALDOEMERSON*cough*
"I become a transparent eye-ball; I am nothing! I see all; the
currents of the Universal Being circulate through me..."
Tom Waits was definitely my first thought, but everyone's second
thought should have been of the above. Don't they survey the
transcendentalists in high-school American Lit any more?
Bert Byfield
> viper like Emily Short live? Was it to test me? How long will you
> test me, God?
Your True Love for her will see you through!
Rikard Peterson
albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *cough*RALPHWALDOEMERSON*cough*
>
> "I become a transparent eye-ball; I am nothing! I see all; the
> currents of the Universal Being circulate through me..."
>
> Tom Waits was definitely my first thought, but everyone's second
> thought should have been of the above. Don't they survey the
> transcendentalists in high-school American Lit any more?
Everyone doesn't go to American high schools, though. ;)
Rikard
Adam Thornton
David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 29, 1:09 am, a...@fsf.net (Adam Thornton) wrote:
>> In article <1177804768.870261.57...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Jacek praising Nabokov? Can't imagine why ;/
>> Because he's one of the five best writers of the 20th Century, maybe?
So, do you have any actual evidence that Jacek is a pedophile, *other*
than that Emily Short once said that someone posting from an IP address
he uses posted a message with a particular message-ID to
alt.sex.pre-teens?
You'll notice that she herself stopped short of doing more than
*insinuating* that he was a pedophile. The article she cited is no
longer available from Google Groups, if it ever was (I never tried to
follow the link during the initial kerfluffle; perhaps it was miscopied,
perhaps someone asked Google for its removal; perhaps, perhaps,
perhaps).
Nevertheless, you're accusing the man of a crime that strikes *me*, at
any rate, as particularly vile. While I have, in the past, invited
Jacek to eat shit and die, I never was so irritated by him that I
accused him of odious felonies.
Thus, I repeat my question: have you, or have you not, got any evidence
that Jacek is what you claim him to be? If so, we'd all appreciate it,
I'm sure, if you'd present that evidence.
Or is this simply part of your meta-plan to goad those of us who prefer
Usenet into *employing* the killfiles we keep citing as a primary
positive differentiator between Usenet and web forums?
Adam
David Whyld
> In article <1177839351.421534.72...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Do I really think Pudlo is a paedophile? No. Do I think he's an
obnoxious, offensive piece of work? Yes. Am I amazed to see how many
people still try and reason with him when he's been doing nothing but
trolling this place for years? Hell yes.
Every time I log on to RAIF (which is a lot more than I should given
my general low opinion of the place but it's like a car crash:
gruesome but I can't help myself looking) I see Pudlo there with his
usual offensive tripe and everyone calmly debating with him as if he
actually has a valid point to make. He doesn't. He's a trouble causing
idiot. He's doing it purely for his own amusement and it probably
gives him a good old laugh that he's been doing it non-stop for years
and there are STILL people here willing to debate things reasonably
with him. The mind boggles. Seriously, does anyone care about his
opinions? Does anyone give a damn what he has to say? Is there one
person here who values anything Pudlo has to say?
Either ignore the idiot or flame him whenever he shows up. Make fun of
him. Insult him. But don't, please god don't, keep on debating things
with him as if he actually has something valid to say.
As for the forums v newsgroups point you made? On forums you can
permanently ban people and delete their posts. Here you can't. I'd
guess from all the trouble Pudlo and other trolls have caused over the
years that even the most elitist forum haters would welcome the
ability to get rid of Pudlo once and for all.
albtraum
> In article <1177908215.133776.47...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
d'oh. I'm typing this from Kuala Lumpur so you'd think I'd be more
sensitive to things like this. I guess Emerson's eyeball is probably
not such a hit in Europe, etc. Although I hear it's big in Japan.
Stephen Gilbert
> As for the forums v newsgroups point you made? On forums you can
> permanently ban people and delete their posts.
Actually, you can't. You can ban user accounts. You can ban individual IP
addresses. You can ban ranges of IP addresses. And, if your forum
software is sophisticated enough, you can ban IP addresses based on
specific criteria (i.e. open proxies). But you can't ban people, and
that's a rather important distinction.
Stephen
Jacek Pudlo
> David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Apr 29, 1:09 am, a...@fsf.net (Adam Thornton) wrote:
>>> In article <1177804768.870261.57...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>> David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >Jacek praising Nabokov? Can't imagine why ;/
>>> Because he's one of the five best writers of the 20th Century, maybe?
>>Yes, of course that's the reason. nudgenudgewinkwinksaynomore
>
> So, do you have any actual evidence that Jacek is a pedophile, *other*
> than that Emily Short once said that someone posting from an IP address
> he uses posted a message with a particular message-ID to
> alt.sex.pre-teens?
>
> You'll notice that she herself stopped short of doing more than
> *insinuating* that he was a pedophile. The article she cited is no
> longer available from Google Groups, if it ever was (I never tried to
> follow the link during the initial kerfluffle; perhaps it was miscopied,
> perhaps someone asked Google for its removal; perhaps, perhaps,
> perhaps).
Here's what survives of the link.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=200108282301.SAA08239%40pond.zip...
As you can see, it's a Zip archive. This is odd, since alt.sex.pre-teens
doesn't appear to accept binaries. If it did, "sex" would have been prefixed
by "binaries." None of my Usenet providers carries alt.sex.pre-teens, and
some of them carry pretty weird shit. Google groups gives you this when you
search for alt.sex.pre-teens.
http://groups.google.se/groups/dir?q=alt.sex.pre-teens&hl=us
When you klick "show matching messages" you get this.
http://groups.google.se/group/news.lists.filters/search?q=alt.sex.pre-teens&hl=us
The group appears to contain spamish links to sex sites, no binaries. Google
appears to have been filtering it since 1998.
When was the Zip archive posted? Emily doesn't say.
She only says "Searching on his IP address in google.groups turns up only
the following
post to alt.sex.pre-teens"
How does she know it's my IP address? Why would I post a binary to a
non-binary group? When did I supposedly post this? How can I respond to my
accuser if I don't even know what I'm accused of? The innuendo is certainly
vague, as ugly innuendos tend to be, but nonetheless I plead innocence. If
the Zip archive in question was ever available, I did not post it.
And if the Zip archive was ever available, it would seem Emily Short is the
only certifiable pedophile here. As far as I know, she is the only person in
the history of raif who has ever posted a link to -- what appears to be --
pedophiliac material. Kind of ironic, isn't it? I wonder, David Whyld, The
Wanderer (posting as Vita), and the rest of you who had had your fun at the
expense of my good name, will you jerk Emily's chain now?
David Whyld
> I wonder, David Whyld, The
> Wanderer (posting as Vita), and the rest of you who had had your fun at the
> expense of my good name, will you jerk Emily's chain now?
>
*Your* good name? I actually feel moved to apologise to any
paedophiles out there who might have been offended that I called you
one of them.
Ben A L Jemmett
wrote:
> On May 1, 1:27 pm, "Jacek Pudlo" <j...@jacek.jacek> wrote:
> > I wonder, David Whyld, The
> > Wanderer (posting as Vita), and the rest of you who had had your
> > fun at the expense of my good name, will you jerk Emily's chain now?
>
Christ on a fucking bike, give it a rest already! Earlier you were
berating people for responding to his other posts that do actually
involve IF in some way, yet all your replies to him seem to be merely
efforts to further provoke his more tiresome side.
And by the way, just because you don't like someone's manner in a
newsgroup does not make them worse than a paedophile; I'm sure there
are plenty of people who would happily lamp you one if you trivialised
the abuse they'd suffered in such a way in front of them.
--
Regards,
Ben A L Jemmett
(http://www.jemmett-software.co.uk/, http://www.deltasoft.com/)
David Whyld
wrote:
> In <1178023089.784152.103...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, David Whyld
You'd prefer if I debated things in a calm and reasonable manner with
Pudlo in the same way as many other people here? Yes, that's worked
wonders in the past, hasn't it?
I'm quite happy to debate things in a calm and reasonable manner with
calm and reasonable people. But Jacek Pudlo? Paedophile or not, he's a
mentally ill obnoxious troll and ought to be treated as such. You
can't reason with someone like that so you either ignore them or flame
them.
Ben A L Jemmett
wrote:
> I'm quite happy to debate things in a calm and reasonable manner with
> calm and reasonable people. But Jacek Pudlo? Paedophile or not, he's a
> mentally ill obnoxious troll and ought to be treated as such. You
> can't reason with someone like that so you either ignore them or flame
> them.
So take your own advice and ignore him -- all your incessant
allegations of paedophilia have achieved is to give him more reason to
bleat about how he's been unfairly labelled a paedophile. And quite
frankly, you end up coming across as just as irritating in the process.
Adam Thornton
Well, OK, then. That was the question I was interested in.
>I see Pudlo there with his
>usual offensive tripe and everyone calmly debating with him as if he
>actually has a valid point to make. He doesn't.
Ah, but you see, there's the problem. Sometimes he does have some
fairly interesting things to say, usually in the context of simulation
versus narrative in one of its guieses (my own lens, I'm afraid, so
maybe that's not the context in which he intends it). He's written one
excellent and meticulously-crafted game; so like it or not, he's not
*just* a troll.
>Seriously, does anyone care about his
>opinions? Does anyone give a damn what he has to say? Is there one
>person here who values anything Pudlo has to say?
On occasion.
>Either ignore the idiot or flame him whenever he shows up. Make fun of
>him. Insult him.
I suppose this is a fair enough position; I just think that "accuse him
of unspeakable crimes" is yet another level beyond insult, and it's one
that I would not recommend in the current cultural climate of hysteria.
>As for the forums v newsgroups point you made? On forums you can
>permanently ban people and delete their posts. Here you can't. I'd
>guess from all the trouble Pudlo and other trolls have caused over the
>years that even the most elitist forum haters would welcome the
>ability to get rid of Pudlo once and for all.
What stops them from showing up with a brand new identity? I mean, it's
not like Jacek hasn't, uh, posted as a bunch of people. If you ban an
IP address, what good does that really do in this day and age, when
almost everyone comes from some random IP address in their ISP's range?
You end up just blocking random subscribers from whatever ISP.
Nevertheless, it's probably worthwhile for me to say what I said back in
the First Great Forums vs. Usenet thread: go make a web forum. If it's
good enough, it will probably attract a sustainable readership. Jolt
Country certainly did (you think we're uncivil *here*?).
Adam
Adam Thornton
albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>d'oh. I'm typing this from Kuala Lumpur so you'd think I'd be more
>sensitive to things like this. I guess Emerson's eyeball is probably
>not such a hit in Europe, etc. Although I hear it's big in Japan.
I'm not interested in foreign affairs.
Adam
Ben A L Jemmett
Not even if you're four sheets to the wind in Copenhagen?
Adam Thornton
Ben A L Jemmett <bal.j...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>In <sg2kg4-...@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
>> In article <1178008854....@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Although I hear it's big in Japan.
>> I'm not interested in foreign affairs.
>Not even if you're four sheets to the wind in Copenhagen?
Hey, I got what I paid for now. We sail tonight for Singapore.
Adam
Ben A L Jemmett
For a bit of shore leave, or just looking for the heart of Saturday
night?
Adam Thornton
Ben A L Jemmett <bal.j...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>In <jh4kg4-...@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
>> In article <xn0f5oy4...@xcski.com>,
>> Ben A L Jemmett <bal.j...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In <sg2kg4-...@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
>> >> In article <1178008854....@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Although I hear it's big in Japan.
>> >> I'm not interested in foreign affairs.
>> > Not even if you're four sheets to the wind in Copenhagen?
>> Hey, I got what I paid for now. We sail tonight for Singapore.
>For a bit of shore leave, or just looking for the heart of Saturday
>night?
I'm on my way to Burma Shave.
Adam
JDC
> In article <xn0f5oznuibns3...@xcski.com>,
> Ben A L Jemmett <bal.jemm...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In <jh4kg4-g0l....@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
> >> In article <xn0f5oy4zg9gyy...@xcski.com>,
> >> Ben A L Jemmett <bal.jemm...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > In <sg2kg4-5qk....@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
> >> >> In article <1178008854.435894.76...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Although I hear it's big in Japan.
> >> >> I'm not interested in foreign affairs.
> >> > Not even if you're four sheets to the wind in Copenhagen?
> >> Hey, I got what I paid for now. We sail tonight for Singapore.
> >For a bit of shore leave, or just looking for the heart of Saturday
> >night?
>
> I'm on my way to Burma Shave.
>
> Adam
Maybe "Fate" could be renamed "Two dead ends and you've still got to
choose".
-JDC
Victor Gijsbers
> Maybe "Fate" could be renamed "Two dead ends and you've still got to
> choose".
I'll take it into consideration. ;)
Regards,
Victor
Adam Thornton
JDC <jd...@psu.edu> wrote:
>Maybe "Fate" could be renamed "Two dead ends and you've still got to
>choose".
The bartenders *do* all know my name.
Should we, like, give this a rest, and let it sink like a hammer into
the lake? Because I can go on all week.
Adam
albtraum
wrote:
> In <jh4kg4-g0l....@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
>
> > In article <xn0f5oy4zg9gyy...@xcski.com>,
> > Ben A L Jemmett <bal.jemm...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In <sg2kg4-5qk....@quicksilver.fsf.net>, Adam Thornton wrote:
> > >> In article <1178008854.435894.76...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Although I hear it's big in Japan.
> > >> I'm not interested in foreign affairs.
> > > Not even if you're four sheets to the wind in Copenhagen?
> > Hey, I got what I paid for now. We sail tonight for Singapore.
>
> For a bit of shore leave, or just looking for the heart of Saturday
> night?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ben A L Jemmett
> (http://www.jemmett-software.co.uk/,http://www.deltasoft.com/)
I'd rather stay home, nibble on my chocolate Jesus, and play some
Zork. Yes it's an old game but I don't wanna grow up and there's a
great empire going on underground. Then maybe I'll do some IF
programming, while my wife sits outside my office asking herself
"What's he BUILDING in there?"
albtraum
John Elliott
: Here's what survives of the link.
: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=200108282301.SAA08239%40pond.zip...
: As you can see, it's a Zip archive.
Actually, it isn't; that's just the way that Google Groups displays it. In
the original posting it ended "pond.zippy.net", as you'll see if you view
the message in the original format:
<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.arts.int-fiction/msg/bdfa7370935ff67b
?dmode=source&hl=en>
--
John Elliott
Hazard Suit
> In rec.games.int-fiction Jacek Pudlo <j...@jacek.jacek> wrote:
> : Here's what survives of the link.
>
> :http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=200108282301.SAA08239%40pond.zip...
>
> : As you can see, it's a Zip archive.
>
> Actually, it isn't; that's just the way that Google Groups displays it. In
> the original posting it ended "pond.zippy.net", as you'll see if you view
> the message in the original format:
>
> ?dmode=source&hl=en>
>
> --
> John Elliott
Could we please not talk about this pedophile thing...ever again?
John W. Kennedy
> The article she cited is no
> longer available from Google Groups, if it ever was (I never tried to
> follow the link during the initial kerfluffle; perhaps it was miscopied,
> perhaps someone asked Google for its removal; perhaps, perhaps,
> perhaps).
A bit of examination shows that the entire alt.sex.pre-teens group has
been deleted from Google, though it was there once. Seeing that la
charmante Emily has a functioning brain, and that anyone might have
checked the post at the time, I do not see where we need to hypothesize
any other explanation.
A single logged IP address, of course, proves nothing one way or the
other. On the other hand, in my experience, people with Pudlo's
wolverine-like personality always have multiple problems, ranging in
severity from anti-Stratfordianism, through slogan-spewing Maoism,
Creationism, or Relativity denial, to full-blown neo-Nazism, so it
wouldn't particularly surprise me if he /were/ a pedophile. He's one
sick puppy, any which way.
--
John W. Kennedy
"There are those who argue that everything breaks even in this old dump
of a world of ours. I suppose these ginks who argue that way hold that
because the rich man gets ice in the summer and the poor man gets it in
the winter things are breaking even for both. Maybe so, but I'll swear I
can't see it that way."
-- The last words of Bat Masterson
* TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org
Jacek Pudlo
> la charmante Emily
This is the funniest euphemism for "sick cunt" I've seen in months.
> A single logged IP address, of course, proves nothing one way or the
> other. On the other hand, in my experience, people with Pudlo's
> wolverine-like personality always have multiple problems
I may be an arsonist, but this is not my blaze.
> ranging in severity from anti-Stratfordianism
Your aim in life is proving that Shakespeare was Shakespeare. A good thing
about modest aims is that they are comfortably achieved. Another good thing
about your passionate "Stratfordianism" is that you get to argue with a
bunch of semi-insane morons, which you apparently relish. Is it because they
are the only kind of people you are able to outshine?
> through slogan-spewing Maoism, Creationism, or Relativity denial, to
> full-blown neo-Nazism, so it wouldn't particularly surprise me if he
> /were/ a pedophile. He's one sick puppy, any which way.
If truth is to be told, you're not exactly an endearing chap either. The
only thing that saves you from the stain of odious innuendos is that you're
not sharp enough to provoke them.
Richard Bos
> On Apr 30, 3:38 am, ralt...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
> > David Whyld <dwh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Damn, did I unintentionally plagiarise the idea? It's getting to
> > > something when even a game about a bouncing disembodied eyeball isn't
> > > original ;/
> >
> > Sorry, David, but disembodied eyeballs haven't been original since
> > Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings.
> >
> > Post-Modernist theory of the day: the king in TRR is an other-mediate
> > reincarnation of Sauron, second-in-command of evil.
>
> *cough*RALPHWALDOEMERSON*cough*
>
> "I become a transparent eye-ball; I am nothing! I see all; the
> currents of the Universal Being circulate through me..."
Ah, but that is clearly meant metaphorically. After all, an eyeball is
_not_ nothing; and a transparent eyeball (for obvious physical reasons:
all light passes through it uninterrupted, so none can trigger its
sight) sees nothing, not all. Both Tolkien and David, though, wrote
about beings actually incarnated into a living, solitary eyeball.
> Tom Waits was definitely my first thought, but everyone's second
> thought should have been of the above. Don't they survey the
> transcendentalists in high-school American Lit any more?
What is this "American Lit" of which you speak? And why should we spend
more than a passing glance on these rather dire pseudo-mythicalists in
English Literature, when there are true greats such as Chaucer and Joyce
to discuss?
Richard
albtraum
Re: Tolkien - You're thinking of the movies. In the books Sauron is an
ancient evil who has somehow reappeared on the physical plane,
probably in a humanoid body of some sort, and who sits inside a tower
and uses magic to spy on things. He's not a giant burning cat's
eyeball mounted like a radar dish.
Re: The term "American Lit." - Maybe this will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_literature
Re: Emerson - I don't think schools should spend more than a passing
glance on Emerson, except to detail his connection to Thoreau. He was
kind of dull. But his passage about turning into an eyeball is very
famous, breathtakingly written and is as good in conveying a
revelatory moment as any of Joyce's epiphanies:
"Crossing a bare common, in snow puddles, at twilight, under a clouded
sky, without having in my thoughts any occurrence of special good
fortune, I have enjoyed a perfect exhilaration. Almost I fear I think
how glad I am. In the woods, too, a man casts off his years, as the
snake his slough, and at what period soever of life is always a child.
In the woods, is perpetual youth. Within these plantations of God, a
decorum and a sanctity reign, a perennial festival is dressed,, and
the guest sees not how he should tire of them in a thousand years. In
the woods, we return to reason and faith. There I feel that nothing
can befal me in life, -- no disgrace, no calamity, (leaving me my
eyes,) which nature cannot repair. Standing on the bare ground, -- my
head bathed by the blithe air, and uplifted into infinite space, --
all mean egotism vanishes. I become a transparent eye-ball. I am
nothing. I see all. The currents of the Universal Being circulate
through me; I am part or particle of God."
Richard Bos
> On May 3, 6:32 am, ralt...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
> > albtraum <toh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > *cough*RALPHWALDOEMERSON*cough*
> >
> > > "I become a transparent eye-ball; I am nothing! I see all; the
> > > currents of the Universal Being circulate through me..."
> >
> > Ah, but that is clearly meant metaphorically. After all, an eyeball is
> > _not_ nothing; and a transparent eyeball (for obvious physical reasons:
> > all light passes through it uninterrupted, so none can trigger its
> > sight) sees nothing, not all. Both Tolkien and David, though, wrote
> > about beings actually incarnated into a living, solitary eyeball.
> >
> > > Tom Waits was definitely my first thought, but everyone's second
> > > thought should have been of the above. Don't they survey the
> > > transcendentalists in high-school American Lit any more?
> >
> > What is this "American Lit" of which you speak? And why should we spend
> > more than a passing glance on these rather dire pseudo-mythicalists in
> > English Literature, when there are true greats such as Chaucer and Joyce
> > to discuss?
>
> Re: Tolkien - You're thinking of the movies.
Wrong. I haven't even seen the third film. I _have_ read the trilogy and
its satyr-play, the Silmarillion, and the Unfinished Tales, plus some
others.
> Re: The term "American Lit." - Maybe this will help:
Nope. Your sarcasm detector needs retuning.
> Re: Emerson - I don't think schools should spend more than a passing
> glance on Emerson, except to detail his connection to Thoreau.
Even worse - a hopelessly muddle-headed idealist.
Three strikes - you're out. But thank you for playing.
Richard
Eric
news:463a3483...@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> Wrong. I haven't even seen the third film. I _have_ read the trilogy and
> its satyr-play, the Silmarillion, and the Unfinished Tales, plus some
> others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Sauron
Sauron wasn't an "Eye" in the books. He manifested that way in some cases.
The link above makes this clear since so many "Tolkien fans" get it wrong.
This link also covers what Tolkien himself said and thought:
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp?url=http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/faq/sauronshape.html
albtraum
Er... so let's recap:
>Answer "Sauron is not an eyeball".
WRONG. BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE THE THIRD MOVIE.
>Answer "American Lit."
WRONG. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE TERM "AMERICAN LIT".
>Answer "American Lit. is..."
WRONG. I KNEW THAT. I WAS BEING SARCASTIC HA HA EMERSON STINKS THREE
STRIKES YOU'RE OUT.
>Quit
ARE YOU SURE?
>Yes
Unwinnable state in three turns? I sense low replay value.
Blank
> In article <f0r5p6$5d3$1$830f...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> Stuart Moore <N...@SPAM.HERE> wrote:
>> Mike Snyder wrote:
>>> <lumi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177620672.6...@t39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Funny, someone's even gone and given this -topic- a low rating. I
>>>> guess it's a sensitive issue?
>>> Given the *topic* a low rating?
>>> Explain, please....
>> Google Groups (and maybe other online newsgroup sites) allow you to rate
>> topics.
>
> Forums *ONE*, Usenet *ZERO*.
>
> Adam
Usenet: Give low rating = killfile.
Adam Thornton
Forums *ONE*, Irony *ZERO*.
Also, I might recommend slrn, and the concept of a scorefile.
Adam