David Whyld
dun...@yahoo.com
Paul
dun...@yahoo.com
David posted the following review of my book over at Amazon.com:
"Reviewer: Uncle Devvie - See all my reviews
I can't believe someone is actually expecting to get paid for
this trash. It is horribly written, makes no sense, and its
pseudo-religious babbling is insulting to anyone with at least
a two digit IQ. Do yourself a favour and pass this one by in a
large arc, much as you would a turd."
I have emailed Amazon about it and they should remove it promptly.
Here's the funny thing, though: he never even read the entire book,
just parts of it, and posted that review to be mean to me.
Some troll, huh?
Paul
dun...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Please email me.
>
> Paul
dun...@yahoo.com
everything that they do out of spite for that person. I'm so freaking
tired of some of the blowhards on this group going out of their way to
post negative review after negative review to everything that I
freaking write, do or say. I'm a freaking human being and I don't
deserve to be treated like this.
I've spent DECADES writing and wanting to make that my career. I'm so
sick and tired of jerks trashing my work just to trash my work for the
heck of it. Most of the stuff I write I don't charge money for -- the
few things I do, I do so because they are GOOD IN QUALITY.
I draw the line right here and say that I'm tired of this. I'm so tired
of it. I've had people since the third grade knock me down for being
short, criticize the way I talk and other crap. I'm sick and tired of
it here, and I'm sick and tired of this place.
I came here 7 years ago excepting to find acceptance. All I've found is
hostility and negativity. People have taught me on this group that this
is a cliche and if I don't stick to a format they approve of, they go
out of their way to make my life and my work meaningless.
So...I'm tired of posting here and getting slammed by people like David
(who wrote that negative Amazon review, by the way).
Paul
vaporware
I came across your Lulu storefront (http://www.lulu.com/dunric) and
read the preview excerpts from the two Rosetta books. They are more
informative than any review ever could be. I don't know if Lulu puts a
limit on the number of previews or something, but would it be possible
for you to post excerpts from the other books there as well?
Jesse
dun...@yahoo.com
Paul
Boluc Papuccuoglu
wrote:
OK, I've been deliberately limiting my usenet activity to lurking for
a few months, and taking a deep breath and counting to ten whenever I
got the impulse to post a reply to a post here (which usually gets rid
of the impulse). But....
>It's one thing to dislike a person, and quite another to trash
>everything that they do out of spite for that person. I'm so freaking
>tired of some of the blowhards on this group going out of their way to
>post negative review after negative review to everything that I
>freaking write, do or say. I'm a freaking human being and I don't
>deserve to be treated like this.
>
>I've spent DECADES writing and wanting to make that my career. I'm so
>sick and tired of jerks trashing my work just to trash my work for the
>heck of it. Most of the stuff I write I don't charge money for -- the
>few things I do, I do so because they are GOOD IN QUALITY.
>
The mostly accepted and now classic definition of quality is
"conformance to client's/consumer's wishes". The service provider or
the goods manufacturer CANNOT say "this product is high quality" just
because his/her/their opinion of the said product is high. That
judgement is left to the consumer. Jon Ingold doesnt declare that (and
in my opinion as a consumer, his games ARE high quality). Paul O'Brian
doesnt declare that. Andrew Plotkin doesn't. Emily Short doesn't. They
leave it to the public to make that call. Only you and Howard Sherman
(who for some reason is still spamming my hotmail account) and AP Hill
(who is doing it for the laughs, I strongly suspect) go around
shouting "My games are GOOD! My games are GOOD!". There is a strong
pattern here. It seems in the IF community if a guy goes around
shouting self-praise, then it's pretty certain his product is crap.
>I draw the line right here and say that I'm tired of this. I'm so tired
>of it. I've had people since the third grade knock me down for being
>short, criticize the way I talk and other crap. I'm sick and tired of
>it here, and I'm sick and tired of this place.
>
>I came here 7 years ago excepting to find acceptance. All I've found is
>hostility and negativity. People have taught me on this group that this
>is a cliche and if I don't stick to a format they approve of, they go
>out of their way to make my life and my work meaningless.
>
>So...I'm tired of posting here and getting slammed by people like David
>(who wrote that negative Amazon review, by the way).
Then don't! Don't post! If you would have just refrained from posting
promotion for your book here, then you would NOT have gotten a bad
review for it in Amazon. Chances are, with all the loonies out there
surfing the web, sharing your interests, and Amazon's system of
recommendations, one or more would have come across your book, read an
excerpt and given you a positive. But now that you have pissed of a
bunch of people who clearly dislike your work, you may be assured of
more bad reviews.
And in the case that Amazon does NOT remove the review, I pity the
poor Amazon employee who will be subject to your particular brand of
insanity; insisting and insisting and insisting and insisting and
INSISTING that he/she does as you ask, then calling him/her names,
etc., etc. etc. It possibly cannot be worth whatever salary he/she is
making.
Boluc
>
>Paul
Michael Vondung
> I've spent DECADES writing and wanting to make that my career. I'm so
> sick and tired of jerks trashing my work just to trash my work for the
> heck of it.
You're asking for the hostility by flooding newsgroups with posts that seem
to be designed to aggravate other participants. Case in point: This thread.
Ask yourself: Do people here, all of them adults, care about your personal
issues with David? Do they want to see your constant self-promoting? For
months and years, they have endured your neverending game promotions, and
now it seems as we are going to look at months and years of neverending
self-promotion for your writing?
I understand that you're proud of your achievements, but mention this stuff
once and let it be. By repeatedly posting the same thing over and over
(often slightly disguised as "something else", which comes across as an
insult to everyone's intelligence), paired with whining, you achieve the
opposite of the positive response you desire. You annoy, and people will
think, "Go away already!" when they see your name. Is that what you want?
If that is your goal, you perform superbly at meeting it.
As for the review: Why would Amazon remove it? Because it's not what you
want to see, because all you want is gleeful praise? Tough luck. If you
want to be writer, you will need to accept that not everyone will like your
work. Some will even hate it. It's like that for all authors. The world
isn't always friendly to you, and frankly, most of the world doesn't give a
shit about Paul just like it doesn't give a damn about Michael, David or
any other individual. Accept the fact that you're a grown-up and that
nobody will babysit or pamper you anymore. Face reality for what it often
is: harsh and uncaring.
> I draw the line right here and say that I'm tired of this. I'm so tired
> of it. I've had people since the third grade knock me down for being
> short, criticize the way I talk and other crap. I'm sick and tired of
> it here, and I'm sick and tired of this place.
Then go. Leave. You have this option. You have annoyed the crap out of so
many usenet participants -- are you really surprised that some are "so
tired of it" that they lash out? What goes around comes around, you know
the proverb. Sometimes you need to shut up and let things blow over, not
roll all over the floor and complain about how unfair the world is. That
only causes further annoyance and will result in even more backlash. Don't
stay in places that make you sick. Move on.
> I came here 7 years ago excepting to find acceptance. All I've found is
> hostility and negativity.
Have you asked yourself if you perhaps have contributed to this situation?
Do you see other people here or in other groups who receive as much
resentment? I will put it bluntly and I apologise for the language: You
need to fucking relax and stop pitying yourself! Nobody here rests on a bed
of roses, we all make do with what we have, we all deal the best way we can
with what life throws at us. You think my life is a cakewalk? It's never
been. Many of my dreams are still waiting to come true. Does this give me
the right to shed my tears over everyone who happens to participate in the
groups you happen to stumble into, to drown everyone else with my problems?
If you speak French, get a copy of the 1928 book "Propos sur le bonheur" by
Alain (that was his use-name, real name was Emile Auguste Chartier). If you
know German, there's also a German translation still in print: "Die Pflicht
glücklich zu sein" (1971). If you don't speak either langauge, learn one of
them and read the book, since there is no English translation that I know
of. Too much trouble? Doesn't cut it. I learned English so that I could
read certain books that had never been translated to my language. So can
you.
> So...I'm tired of posting here and getting slammed by people like David
> (who wrote that negative Amazon review, by the way).
See above. It may not be fair, and in fact, it's clearly unfair, but it's
the backlash of a situation you contributed to. You still do, even now! If
you continue to annoy people, there is bound to be more of that backlash.
At any time, you have the option to stop. Let it slide down your back,
learn to not care. Life will be easier then, and you'll find that people
will react friendlier to you. The way you are right now, you even annoy me.
(And I work in an environment where I deal with often times emotionally
troubled kids and teenagers, so be certain that it does take quite a bit to
annoy me.)
On some level, I feel sorry for you and that so much shit is thrown at you,
but I firmly believe that it is in your power to move on. See my last name?
In German, "Dung" means the same as in English. Let me assure you that I
received a fair share of ridicule from other kids when I was little. It
hurt at first, and I felt helpless, spent the whole time in a summer camp
crying in my room. It only triggered the other kids to pick even more on
me, because it was "fun" to watch the reaction. After I returned from that
camp in an emotionally wrecked state, my mother taught me that there is an
easy way to dodge and stop all of that: "If you don't show them that it
hurts, they'll get bored and stop. Laugh at yourself sometimes, even laugh
with them." Simple? You bet! And it worked; it cost no money, no hard work,
just a shift in atttitude.
Now, thirty years later, those I interact with are too mature for such
silliness, but the basic lesson to "not care" is still one that serves me
well in many situations. Learn to not care. The alternative is that you are
miserable all the time, get ill, turn to alcohol, spent all your time being
resentful, bitter and unhappy. Not a great way of living your life!
Certainly not healthy, either.
You can start any time. Now is as good a moment as any time. And no, "But!
But! I must defend myself! It's so unfair, make David stop, then I'll stop,
too!" doesn't cut it. You can stop. Keep your personal life drama out of
this newsgroup and realise that nobody likes losers. And really, read the
essays in "Propos sur le bonheur". Best thing you can for yourself.
M.
Nikos Chantziaras
> On 22 Aug 2005 23:07:59 -0700, dun...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I've spent DECADES writing and wanting to make that my career. I'm so
>> sick and tired of jerks trashing my work just to trash my work for the
>> heck of it.
>
> You're asking for the hostility by flooding newsgroups with posts that seem
> to be designed to aggravate other participants.
He even posted to *totally* unrelated NGs about his so-called "books",
like comp.os.linux.advocacy. It's just common spam.
Matthew Rissotto
"Boluc Papuccuoglu"
> The mostly accepted and now classic definition of quality is
> "conformance to client's/consumer's wishes". The service provider or
> the goods manufacturer CANNOT say "this product is high quality" just
> because his/her/their opinion of the said product is high. That
> judgement is left to the consumer. Jon Ingold doesnt declare that (and
> in my opinion as a consumer, his games ARE high quality). Paul O'Brian
> doesnt declare that. Andrew Plotkin doesn't. Emily Short doesn't. They
> leave it to the public to make that call. [snipped]
You're right about Ingold. You couldn't be more wrong about Plotkin and
Short.
Here's Plotkin jumping a poster for wondering if Dreamhold would have
gotten the same attention if it were written by someone else:
In response to the question why he's calling him a troll Plotkin simply
says "I haven't decided about you yet." It appears you must have a
license to post comments on Plotkin's games, and Plotkin is the only
person who can issue it.
Here's Short "outing" a guy for posting a skit that poked fun at
Galatea:
Phone number, real-life name, place of residence, even some musings on
his sexual mores, profession and ethnic background. She *really* had it
in for this guy. Oh, and you won't find the skit; it's been removed
from Google's archive.
Here's Short more than a month later, still stalking her "Swedish
buddy":
It's not clear what he's done this time. It almost seems that the very
fact that he had the nerve to show up after the outing was enough to
infuriate her.
[snipped]
> And in the case that Amazon does NOT remove the review, I pity the
> poor Amazon employee who will be subject to your particular brand of
> insanity; insisting and insisting and insisting and insisting and
> INSISTING that he/she does as you ask, then calling him/her names,
> etc., etc. etc. It possibly cannot be worth whatever salary he/she is
> making.
"filthy nigger" gets you 891 hits on Google Groups. Isn't it odd that
Google tolerates racist expletives but removes a harmless skit? Sure
makes you wonder what she put them through before they finally gave in
and removed the post, together with all other unkind references to her
games.
Boluc Papuccuoglu
<riss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, Jacek, of course I should have realized the moment I made a post
containing the words "Plotkin" or "Short" you would create a new
identity and start foaming at the mouth. It is to be expected. I'm
sorry and I apologize to the newsgroup for triggering this particular
bout of bile-spewage. However, may I ask in the future you do not use
a pseudonym which so closely resembles another r*if user? (I do not
know that imagined slight Matthew perpetrated for him to be targeted
for your new sockpuppet identity.) I actually wondered why Matthew was
all of a sudden so hostile before I recalled the correct spelling of
his name.
>
>"Boluc Papuccuoglu"
>
>> The mostly accepted and now classic definition of quality is
>> "conformance to client's/consumer's wishes". The service provider or
>> the goods manufacturer CANNOT say "this product is high quality" just
>> because his/her/their opinion of the said product is high. That
>> judgement is left to the consumer. Jon Ingold doesnt declare that (and
>> in my opinion as a consumer, his games ARE high quality). Paul O'Brian
>> doesnt declare that. Andrew Plotkin doesn't. Emily Short doesn't. They
>> leave it to the public to make that call. [snipped]
>
>You're right about Ingold. You couldn't be more wrong about Plotkin and
>Short.
>
>Here's Plotkin jumping a poster
[snip]
Which was you, obviously.
>Here's Short "outing" a guy for posting a skit that poked fun at
>Galatea:
>
>http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.int-fiction/browse_frm/thread/fc1cc22ec5ef0a1e/cf7db849b2cf0e13?lnk=st&q=%22jacek%22+author:Emily+author:Short&rnum=1&hl=sv#cf7db849b2cf0e13
>
Yes, yes, but "Jacekspotting" is something of a hobby round r*if. It
was much easier when you used to post always from telia.net. Now that
you had the "brilliant" idea of using google groups,etc., you can
usually fool even a regular user for a post or two if you can control
your mouth-foaming. I think your crowning glory must be to have fooled
Plotkin into replying to your post a few months back about a FreeBSD
something or other. You sad bastard.
>Phone number, real-life name, place of residence, even some musings on
>his sexual mores, profession and ethnic background. She *really* had it
>in for this guy. Oh, and you won't find the skit; it's been removed
>from Google's archive.
>
>Here's Short more than a month later, still stalking her "Swedish
>buddy":
>
>http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.int-fiction/browse_frm/thread/6ecc8240d9788265/b7704fb38ffb5b43?lnk=st&q=%22swedish+buddy%22+author:ems...@mindspring.com&rnum=1&hl=sv#b7704fb38ffb5b43
>
>It's not clear what he's done this time. It almost seems that the very
>fact that he had the nerve to show up after the outing was enough to
>infuriate her.
>
>[snipped]
>
>> And in the case that Amazon does NOT remove the review, I pity the
>> poor Amazon employee who will be subject to your particular brand of
>> insanity; insisting and insisting and insisting and insisting and
>> INSISTING that he/she does as you ask, then calling him/her names,
>> etc., etc. etc. It possibly cannot be worth whatever salary he/she is
>> making.
>
>"filthy nigger" gets you 891 hits on Google Groups. Isn't it odd that
>Google tolerates racist expletives but removes a harmless skit? Sure
>makes you wonder what she put them through before they finally gave in
>and removed the post, together with all other unkind references to her
>games.
Or, as you always claim she is the black sorceress of Google groups,
who can banish posts to the nether realms of oblivion with a wave of
her hand. Sheesh.
David Kinder
> Galatea:
You're not *still* whining about that, are you? Jesus, get over it.
Pathetic.
Quintin Stone
> [Bile snipped]
It must be sad to be so unloved.
==--- --=--=-- ---==
Quintin Stone "You speak of necessary evil? One of those necessities
st...@rps.net is that if innocents must suffer, the guilty must suffer
www.rps.net more." - Mackenzie Calhoun, "Once Burned" by Peter David
Matthew Rissotto
Boluc Papuccuoglu skrev:
> On 23 Aug 2005 04:46:42 -0700, "Matthew Rissotto"
> <riss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, Jacek, of course I should have realized the moment I made a post
> containing the words "Plotkin" or "Short" you would create a new
> identity and start foaming at the mouth. [snipped]
You can no more prove that I'm Jacek than you can prove that you're
not. So let's lay off with the paranoia and stick to the subject.
You were lecturing Paul Panks on the Ideal Author: someone who is
gracious and humble and takes criticism in stride. I reacted because
your examples were so demonstrably ill-chosen. Here's Plotkin saying
that Dreamhold is a "prominent game":
doing *exactly* what you were telling Panks *not* to do. For references
to how Plotkin approaches any criticism that is less than ingratiating
search for "Dreamhold" and "troll".
Feel free to provide us with examples of Plotkin being gracious and
humble towards people who disliked his games.
> Yes, yes, but "Jacekspotting" is something of a hobby round r*if.
So is kissin'-Plotkin's-ass, which was pretty much was you were doing
by suggesting that he's a gracious author.
Rexx Magnus
> Feel free to provide us with examples of Plotkin being gracious and
> humble towards people who disliked his games.
>
>> Yes, yes, but "Jacekspotting" is something of a hobby round r*if.
>
> So is kissin'-Plotkin's-ass, which was pretty much was you were doing
> by suggesting that he's a gracious author.
>
At least he doesn't start threads saying "Someone is being mean to me,
tell him to go away, mummy!"
To email me, visit the site.
Jimmy Maher
>
> Feel free to provide us with examples of Plotkin being gracious and
> humble towards people who disliked his games.
Check this thread:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.int-fiction/browse_thread/thread/104fafc97b2e93f1/14ee938c3ba4a7fe?q=dreamhold++review&rnum=2#14ee938c3ba4a7fe.
One Emiliano G. Pahilha begins the thread with a rather unfavorable
review of Dreamhold. Several people jump on him, saying he is being
unfair and overly critical of such a prominent IFer, and that his post
should not even be called a review.
Plotkin replies, "Looked like a review to me. I thank Emiliano for
posting it," effectively silencing the doubters.
--
--
Jimmy Maher
Editor, SPAG Magazine -- http://www.sparkynet.com/spag
Thank you for helping to keep text adventures alive!
dun...@yahoo.com
of HLA Adventure in previous posts. I then posted a link to my book
about HLA Adventure, which was written for Windows AND Linux. It's not
spam at all.
Spam is posting about peanut butter in a forum about spider-man.
Paul
Greg Boettcher
> let's lay off with the paranoia and stick to the subject.
Let's not. You don't believe what you're saying any more than a horse
"believes" what it farts.
Greg
Rexx Magnus
> It's not spam. I discussed in comp.os.linux.advocacy the linux version
> of HLA Adventure in previous posts. I then posted a link to my book
> about HLA Adventure, which was written for Windows AND Linux. It's not
> spam at all.
>
> Spam is posting about peanut butter in a forum about spider-man.
>
> Paul
No, actually it's posting adverts for something that is commercial where
it's not warranted. Regardless of relevancy.
dun...@yahoo.com
comp.os.linux.advocacy wrote me to say that it wasn't. It was related
to Linux because the game itself IS available for Linux. Therefore a
book about that game is not spam. It is related to the topic I posted
previously.
Paul
David Whyld
out to me. Thanks. Nice to see your books are every bit as dire as your
games. Hats off to you, Panks: to be the worst game writer *and* the
worst author in the world is quite an achievement.
Just out of curiosity, why are you assuming Uncle Devvie is me? It's
not. If I was going to post a review of your *book* (for want of a
better word), I'd do it under my own name. Have I ever tried to hide
behind a false name when insulting you in the past? Hardly.
Anyway, thanks for pointing out the review to me. Best laugh I've had
in ages.
Matthew Rissotto
"David Whyld" <dwh...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1124819674....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Oh, that is *so* funny. I hadn't seen that review until you pointed it
> out to me. Thanks. Nice to see your books are every bit as dire as your
> games. Hats off to you, Panks: to be the worst game writer *and* the
> worst author in the world is quite an achievement.
Not according to "Paul Panks: the Book Critic":
"This novel depicts the main characters of John Anderson and James Barborosa
as they struggle to find themselves in a drama packed story. I won't go into
much detail about the book except to say that it is excellent. The storyline
is interesting, the characters flow and the overall message is a positive,
uplifting one. A recommended read."
He only gave himself four out of five stars. He's *so* modest...
David Whyld
Paul Panks is a great writer.
Well, I suppose he has to write his own flattering reviews because the
odds of anyone else liking his book are about the same as anyone liking
his games.
dun...@yahoo.com
Paul
dun...@yahoo.com
Paul
David Whyld
dun...@yahoo.com
Paul
Zach Flynn
in a while? It's currently distracting me from my IFComp entry. But,
how can I help myself? This is downright hilarious. hehe this is fun.
Please keep it up. :-)
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
const false = 0;
const true = 1;
int usenet(starter, continuer) {
while(continuer) {
if(starter == false) {
printf("%s", "You are a troll!\n");
}
else { printf("%s", "No, you are a troll.\n"); }
starter = continuer;
}
}
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
int FUN4USENET;
int panks = 0;
int davidw = 1;
FUN4USENET = usenet(panks, davidw);
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}
-Zach
Matthew Russotto
Matthew Rissotto <riss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You can no more prove that I'm Jacek than you can prove that you're
Stuff it, rice-boy. You can't even spell you're own pseudonym. It's
"Risotto".
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
Mantar, Feyelno nek dusa
> It *is* related, and no one from comp.os.linux.advocacy wrote me to say
> that it wasn't.
They probably killfiled you and moved on. Like this.
vaporware
no need to start a new thread.
Jesse
Boluc Papuccuoglu
<riss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Of course, answering to a Jacek post has the unfortunate side effect
he will totally misquote you and accuse you of saying things you never
did. But here we go again:
>
>Boluc Papuccuoglu skrev:
>
>> On 23 Aug 2005 04:46:42 -0700, "Matthew Rissotto"
>> <riss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Jacek, of course I should have realized the moment I made a post
>> containing the words "Plotkin" or "Short" you would create a new
>> identity and start foaming at the mouth. [snipped]
>
>You can no more prove that I'm Jacek than you can prove that you're
>not. So let's lay off with the paranoia and stick to the subject.
>
>You were lecturing Paul Panks on the Ideal Author: someone who is
Not the ideal author, but only someone who lets the audience decide on
the quality of a work. I never said anything about "taking criticism
in stride". I never said anything about humility. One can be conceited
and arrogant as shit and still leave the audience to make the call.
You are, and we did not hear praises and promotion for Gamlet from any
of your persona as far as I can recall. Does that make you an "ideal
author"? Pffft..
>gracious and humble and takes criticism in stride. I reacted because
>your examples were so demonstrably ill-chosen. Here's Plotkin saying
>that Dreamhold is a "prominent game":
You are quoting that out of context, of course. "Prominent" in that
case does not refer to the quality of the work, but to the fact it was
being talked about. And he is right, in that aspect. When "Narcolepsy"
came out, you stopped complaining about Galatea or Photopia and
started attacking that. Interestingly enough, even though (in my
opinion at least) that game was the weakest of Cadre's works, you
chose to attack not any of its more obvious failings, but the "fact"
that it was inaccessible to non-Americans. I've wondered about that.
Why? Is it because Short posted a negative review and you could not
bring yourself to agree with her on any subject, even if it meant
bashing a member of your hated Cabal?
>
>http://groups.google.se/group/rec.games.int-fiction/browse_frm/thread/104fafc97b2e93f1/bc11726b32d56220?lnk=st&q=%22prominent%22+author:Andrew+author:Plotkin&rnum=4&hl=sv#bc11726b32d56220
>
>doing *exactly* what you were telling Panks *not* to do. For references
>to how Plotkin approaches any criticism that is less than ingratiating
>search for "Dreamhold" and "troll".
>
>Feel free to provide us with examples of Plotkin being gracious and
>humble towards people who disliked his games.
>
>> Yes, yes, but "Jacekspotting" is something of a hobby round r*if.
>
>So is kissin'-Plotkin's-ass, which was pretty much was you were doing
>by suggesting that he's a gracious author.
Did I say he was a gracious author? No. Did I say he was welcoming to
criticism? No. Only I pointed out a few authors who did not flood the
newsgroup with self promotion when they released a game. Nothing more,
nothing less.
Richard Bos
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:38:02 GMT, dun...@yahoo.com scrawled:
>
> > It's not spam. I discussed in comp.os.linux.advocacy the linux version
> > of HLA Adventure in previous posts. I then posted a link to my book
> > about HLA Adventure, which was written for Windows AND Linux. It's not
> > spam at all.
> >
> > Spam is posting about peanut butter in a forum about spider-man.
>
> No, actually it's posting adverts for something that is commercial where
> it's not warranted. Regardless of relevancy.
Nope. Spam is _any_ kind of repetitive or nearly-repetitive mass post
which surpasses a reasonable Breidbart Index. "Reasonable" has been
dropping over the years; if Paul keeps his self-aggrandisement up,
sooner or later he almost certainly will cross that limit. Sadly, I
doubt Google Groups have the clue to thwack him for it.
Richard
dun...@yahoo.com
I write interactive fiction. The book is about interactive fiction. How
is that spam? Please explain this to me.
Paul
Mike Roberts
> Does anyone else believe that this thread is the most entertaining read in
I agree, although I'm not sure how much longer it can last, sadly - there's
a rumor that the Cabal has been growing so tired of this crap that it's on
the verge of invoking the rarely-used Ritual of Ostracism on the whole lot.
Long-time readers will recall that the Ritual was last formally invoked more
than eighty years ago, when one poster practically monopolized the
newsgroup's limited bandwidth (and it really was limited at the time, as the
group - then known as rec.arts.int-fiction.automatronic.steam-powered - was
conducted on paper, with only twice-daily delivery) with a series of
relentless, off-topic attacks on Warren G. Harding; something about
Harding's oratorical skills being sub-par due to his penchant for ambiguous
simile, as I recall.
Anyway, I'm rather surprised that Panks and the rest persist in the face of
this - surely they've heard the rumors; the only explanation is that they
don't understand the gravity of the situation they now find themselves in.
Maybe they honestly don't know how serious the Ritual really is. I mean,
the Cabal is said to have already lined up a well-known conservative TV
preacher for the clerical aspects (the part where the public is called upon
to pray for a "vacancy" in the subject's household), and is reported to be
in talks with an as-yet-unindicted political advisor to run the negative
advertising campaign. If Paul thinks he's getting picked on now, wait until
he sees that terrible black-and-white photo - the one with the aluminum-foil
hat and the dried strawberry syrup and the pants on backwards - over and
over on TV, with the slow pan and the scolding announcer's voice and the
depressing music.
Or maybe these guys all just assume that the rumor is false - which it
obviously must be, since there's no such thing as the Cabal in the first
place.
--Mike
mjr underscore at hotmail dot com
dun...@yahoo.com
Paul
Nikos Chantziaras
> That would be funny if it were actually true. There is no cabal.
If people here don't seem to like you much, there are many other places
you can join; where you can post, have real discussions, and where
people will understand you. Places like http://www.mockery.org/notmensa
dun...@yahoo.com
My IQ tested at 135, so I cannot join that club.
Paul
Zach Flynn
in a while. You know why it's so funny, right? Because it is *true*
there is really a grand Cabal who can invoke that grave power. I would
watch my backs if I were them.
-Zach
Howard Sherman
"OK, I've been deliberately limiting my usenet activity to lurking for
a few months, and taking a deep breath and counting to ten whenever I
got the impulse to post a reply to a post here (which usually gets rid
of the impulse). But..."
You really should have fought that impulse and counted to ten. You
attached my name to lies and misperceptions and, once again, I'm here
to set the record straight.
First and foremost -- I do not go around saying "My games are good!" I
let Malinche customers and reviewers do all the talking:
http://www.malinche.net/testimonials.html
Reading over the screens and screens of praise for my various titles
will quickly dispel the myth that my games are crap. Pay close
attention to the identities of some of those people who wrote their
testimonials.
Secondly, whatever language I choose to use in promoting the sales of
my titles is perfectly normal language for a profit-generating concern
to employ. Malinche is a commercial enterprise. It is asinine to
compare Malinche's posture in the commercial marketplace to a community
of creators who release their work for free. To even attempt to do that
is warped.
Your post is flawed on a third count...
According to you..." The service provider or the goods manufacturer
CANNOT say "this product is high quality" just because his/her/their
opinion of the said product is high. That judgement is left to the
consumer."
Really? The manufacturer or service provider "CANNOT" say they deliver
high quality products or services? We better notify Jaguar and BMW so
they can change all of their marketing and promotion efforts. The
Venetian Hotel, Chef Wolfgang Puck, Christian Dior, Coca Cola, IBM,
Allstate Insurance....
Holy smokes. Come to think of it, we better notify marketing
executives in every commercial sector on the planet! They've been
promoting their products and services incorrectly for decades, perhaps
centuries! The legendary Infocom itself is guilty of this heinous
crime!
BRING ME THE HEAD OF AL VEZZA! HE MUST PAY AND PAY DEARLY FOR HIS
CRIMES!
<laugh>
(Oh man I am laughing hard now...)
Long story short: your concept of quality is ludicrous.
And fourthly, I do NOT spam. Malinche maintains a 100% voluntary,
opt-in mailing list. You signed up to receive Malinche email. You're
not a victim of Malinche spam so stop pretending to be. You can remove
yourself from the Malinche mailing list at any time by simply clicking
a link at the bottom of any email I send.
Wait, just one more before I go...
You said:
"There is a strong pattern here. It seems in the IF community if a guy
goes around shouting self-praise, then it's pretty certain his product
is crap."
You bet there's a strong pattern here. It's called the Bizarro effect.
I documented it in the IF newsgroups almost exactly one year ago. Come
to think of it, the Bizarro thread was somehow triggered by Paul Peter
Panks too. Another pattern emerges, methinks.
I'm done here. Don't bother to respond. I'm not going to waste more
time ripping apart your flawed, incorrect posts.
Count to ten instead.
Howard Sherman
Implementor
http://www.malinche.net
Boluc Papuccuoglu
wrote:
>Boluc said...
>
>"OK, I've been deliberately limiting my usenet activity to lurking for
>a few months, and taking a deep breath and counting to ten whenever I
>got the impulse to post a reply to a post here (which usually gets rid
>of the impulse). But..."
>
>You really should have fought that impulse and counted to ten. You
>attached my name to lies and misperceptions and, once again, I'm here
>to set the record straight.
>
>First and foremost -- I do not go around saying "My games are good!" I
You are right, actually. You don't do much of that anymore. Credit
where it's due. But a quick scan of newsgroup posts will reveal that
you did in the past (mostly before you founded malinche) and it stuck
in my memory.
>let Malinche customers and reviewers do all the talking:
>
>http://www.malinche.net/testimonials.html
>
>Reading over the screens and screens of praise for my various titles
>will quickly dispel the myth that my games are crap. Pay close
>attention to the identities of some of those people who wrote their
>testimonials.
>
>Secondly, whatever language I choose to use in promoting the sales of
>my titles is perfectly normal language for a profit-generating concern
>to employ. Malinche is a commercial enterprise. It is asinine to
>compare Malinche's posture in the commercial marketplace to a community
>of creators who release their work for free. To even attempt to do that
>is warped.
>
You are right on that count too. It's not a fair comparison. But
again, most of my recollection of that was from the time before you
founded Malinche.
>Your post is flawed on a third count...
>
>According to you..." The service provider or the goods manufacturer
>CANNOT say "this product is high quality" just because his/her/their
>opinion of the said product is high. That judgement is left to the
>consumer."
>
>Really? The manufacturer or service provider "CANNOT" say they deliver
>high quality products or services? We better notify Jaguar and BMW so
>they can change all of their marketing and promotion efforts. The
>Venetian Hotel, Chef Wolfgang Puck, Christian Dior, Coca Cola, IBM,
>Allstate Insurance....
>
>Holy smokes. Come to think of it, we better notify marketing
>executives in every commercial sector on the planet! They've been
>promoting their products and services incorrectly for decades, perhaps
>centuries! The legendary Infocom itself is guilty of this heinous
>crime!
>
>BRING ME THE HEAD OF AL VEZZA! HE MUST PAY AND PAY DEARLY FOR HIS
>CRIMES!
>
><laugh>
>
>(Oh man I am laughing hard now...)
>
>Long story short: your concept of quality is ludicrous.
Well, no, it's not. Quality is all about the consumer, and not the
producer. That never changes. Even in companies like Jaguar and BMW
etc. they know that it's what the customer thinks that counts, not the
opinions of the design team. But most of these above mentioned
companies do not DECLARE superior quality in their promotion. They
IMPLY it. They decide on their target market, decide what their
expectations are, and THEN communicate that their product meets and
satisfies those expectations. For example, Origin's slogan was "We
Create Worlds". It does not mention making good quality games. What it
does is, having perceived that the target audience wants to be
immersed in a game that takes place in a world of its own, they say
"We have that. Come and see". You can extend this example to most
companies. If you look closely, you will find that none of the
companies you mentioned actually SAY their product is good. You may
say there is not much difference between declaring something and
implying it but there is.
>
>And fourthly, I do NOT spam. Malinche maintains a 100% voluntary,
>opt-in mailing list. You signed up to receive Malinche email. You're
>not a victim of Malinche spam so stop pretending to be. You can remove
>yourself from the Malinche mailing list at any time by simply clicking
>a link at the bottom of any email I send.
I did, repeatedly. It doesn't work. Maybe you should check your
removal script. But that aside, I did NOT sign up for your email. I
only gave my email address so that I could receive a demo of Greystone
(sp?) because that was the only way you supplied it. I DID NOT check a
little box saying "YES! Send me email about malinche products!" There
was NO disclaimer on the page saying that by requesting a demo I was
signing up for your promotional emails. So, yes, unfortunately you DO
spam.
Boluc Papuccuoglu
By the way, I never received that demo, so that is why I was esp.
pissed off about your spamming. Having given you my email address for
receiving what amounts to promotion (after all, that's what a demo
is), I did not receive it but was treated to inbox clutter.