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keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com)

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Jun 8, 2001, 6:14:22 PM6/8/01
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My original idea was to create a
description for each of the aesthetic
attributes that I would use to evaluate
Mani's art-work. That way everyone would
know the basis for my evaluation and
could comment. Upon further examination
of Mr. Mani's sample art-work page I
note that Mr. Mani had written his own
evaluation which says "it is not great",
(see Main's comments on his sample
art-work page).

Through the writing of my essay, on
aesthetic attributes, I am learning an
incredible amount, but, since it is
turning into a book, I will have to
break it up into a series of essays,
which I will publish. I will post a
notice as I publish each essay -
naturally access will be free. I am
thinking of using a .PDF file format in
1.4 mb sections.

I would recommend that every serious
artist undertake a similar research
project, but, there is a danger, in
that, if you have had little or no
research experience. One way which may
help to offset that, is to keep and open
mind, and talk to a variety of people.

I will comment generally on Mani's
art-work and ideas.

In a recent posting Mani wrote: that he
is better, at making form, than Dan
Fox - Mani is referring to his
ability to draw cars; tables; chairs;
cups; saucers; arms; heads; legs; female
bums etc.

Mr. Fox shows no interest in making
these objects part of his art, and
appears to be more interested in
pictorial form - the entire painting as
unified form.

Mr. Mani appears to know a certain
amount about using plastic form to
create tables and chairs etc., but
nothing about subordinating plastic form
to the demands of pictorial form. In
other words Mr. Fox is interested in
creating paintings and Mr. Mani is
interested in creating studies of
literal objects - but it must be
remembered that Mr. Mani has not said he
wants to do otherwise.

The great masters of the past, have
always made detailed studies of literal
objects, for later incorporation into
their pictorial form - they never
called these studies art. Mr. Mani
appears to classify them as such.

But of course, Mr. Mani has written that
he is not a good painter, and I agree
with him. I do think he is being more
than a little naive for believing that
he does not need to know much about art
in order to know what is good.

As an artist Mr. Mani knows he is not
very good, but as an art connoisseur Mr.
Mani is not aware that he knows little
.

I have previously posted, concerning Mr.
Mani's school yard bully tactics. I
would recommend that, when he insists on
behaving like a bully, he be ignored.

Your humble servant
keith (the Bytown gentleman)

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Ricardo Pontes

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Jun 8, 2001, 7:38:23 PM6/8/01
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Damm, mani must have really humiliated you!

I never seen anyone taking it up the ass this way Keith.


Good luck on your essay

Ricardo Pontes
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keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com)

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Hi Ricardo:
I have read your post.

your humble servant
keith (the Bytown gentleman)

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Peter H.M. Brooks

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> I would recommend that every serious
> artist undertake a similar research
> project,
>
Why?


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Ricardo Pontes

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Jun 11, 2001, 8:18:28 PM6/11/01
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Peter,


Well you see Peter. In case you have been HUMILIATED(keith) by someone(Mani)
you can try to get back by writing a review of their work(which is something
that is personal to the artist, another way of getting back at someone is to
insult his kids, dog, cats etc..) . Using tactics they taught in art school,
mostly crap about composition. If he does succeed(keith) which i doubt it,
he will perhaps regain that left testicle he droped in the war and try to
call himself an artist/man once more.

Its amazing how much keith has been gang banged by just one person. His
philosophy is very much like an average art gallery owner, the crap he got
from art books on modern artists.


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> My original idea was to create a
> description for each of the aesthetic
> attributes that I would use to evaluate
> Mani's art-work.

Keith also thought about sending some dead squirrels and possoms to Manis
house, but he didn't know it would be effective.

That way everyone would
> know the basis for my evaluation and
> could comment.

Evaluation=based on the level of keiths humiliation

Upon further examination
> of Mr. Mani's sample art-work page I
> note that Mr. Mani had written his own
> evaluation which says "it is not great",
> (see Main's comments on his sample
> art-work page).

Sounds like he is being modest. I think that's a good quality to have don't
you?

>
> Through the writing of my essay, on
> aesthetic attributes, I am learning an
> incredible amount, but, since it is
> turning into a book, I will have to
> break it up into a series of essays,
> which I will publish. I will post a
> notice as I publish each essay -
> naturally access will be free. I am
> thinking of using a .PDF file format in
> 1.4 mb sections.
>
> I would recommend that every serious
> artist undertake a similar research
> project, but, there is a danger, in
> that, if you have had little or no
> research experience

keith, im sure you have seen Manis artwork in person right?


. One way which may
> help to offset that, is to keep and open
> mind, and talk to a variety of people.
>


That way people can influence your opinion because for some reason I don't
think keith could come up with anything original on his own.

> I will comment generally on Mani's
> art-work and ideas.
>
> In a recent posting Mani wrote: that he
> is better, at making form, than Dan
> Fox - Mani is referring to his
> ability to draw cars; tables; chairs;
> cups; saucers; arms; heads; legs; female
> bums etc.
>

The way you describe Manis art makes you sound a bit bitter.

> Mr. Fox shows no interest in making
> these objects part of his art, and
> appears to be more interested in
> pictorial form - the entire painting as
> unified form.
>

There he goes, shoots and ASS KISSED!

Hey keith, did someone ask you to come to this group because there was a guy
named Mani that needed a bit of ass kicken? Do you know Dan fox personally?
(Dan has been the object of many rapes in this group before)


> Mr. Mani appears to know a certain
> amount about using plastic form to
> create tables and chairs etc., but
> nothing about subordinating plastic form
> to the demands of pictorial form


People usually like to think they make abstract art because they are going
BEYOND the ordinary art. In art school I was doing a really good portrait of
a girl, and it was a very good painting. The teacher came up "Now that you
can make realistic imagery, you have to go BEYOND the strict rules of this
portrait and into different realms". People like keith think know a deeper
meaning of art. There is a deeper meaning, but I doubt keith can grasp it.
Its amazing, when you get pretty good at drawing, there is always another
level to take it. It never stops. If it stops then you are stuck. Its as if
you have a better understanding of art itself.

. In
> other words Mr. Fox is interested in
> creating paintings and Mr. Mani is
> interested in creating studies of
> literal objects

keith, does dans asshole taste good? (kidding) :)


- but it must be
> remembered that Mr. Mani has not said he
> wants to do otherwise.
>
> The great masters of the past, have
> always made detailed studies of literal
> objects, for later incorporation into
> their pictorial form - they never
> called these studies art. Mr. Mani
> appears to classify them as such.
>

What do you think of Prudons work? Are they illustrations or studies?

> But of course, Mr. Mani has written that
> he is not a good painter, and I agree
> with him. I do think he is being more
> than a little naive for believing that
> he does not need to know much about art
> in order to know what is good.
>

Most people(the public) know what good art is, just show them. They don't
need any gibberish from art dealers to convince them of art. Its irrelevant
whether you need to be an artist or not to appreciate art. People like keith
like to think they are part of an elite force that can see things the
ordinary individual cannot. Just visit keiths little basement at
http://tinmangallery.com/ and see for yourself.

Are you saying that Dan Fox is a great painter?


> As an artist Mr. Mani knows he is not
> very good, but as an art connoisseur Mr.
> Mani is not aware that he knows little

Are you saying that Mani knows little about Art or Art history? If so how?


> .
>
> I have previously posted, concerning Mr.
> Mani's school yard bully tactics. I
> would recommend that, when he insists on
> behaving like a bully, he be ignored.

That way you can still have your ego unhurt. You cannot live in a bubble
dear ol keith, someday someone was bound to pop it.

>
> Your humble servant
> keith (the Bytown gentleman)


Ricardo Pontes
BTW visit keiths home page http://tinmangallery.com/


RBrac53660

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Jun 11, 2001, 11:27:24 PM6/11/01
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> try to get back by writing a review of their work(which is something
>that is personal to the artist, another way of getting back at someone is to
>insult his kids, dog, cats etc..) .

Well jees Ricardo it seems like and mani just love to insult other peoples art
work.


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mdeli

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Jun 12, 2001, 8:12:57 PM6/12/01
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"keith o'connor wrote:

I'm looking forward to this guys review. I guess it will include all
sorts of thing I never said or did.

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>
> "it is not great",
>(see Main's comments on his sample
>art-work page).

It says, "it's not that great."

>In a recent posting Mani wrote: that he
>is better, at making form, than Dan
>Fox -

More BS! I never said anthing of the sort,

> Mani is referring to his
>ability to draw cars; tables; chairs;
>cups; saucers; arms; heads; legs; female
>bums etc.

Never refered to my abilities at drawing,

>The great masters of the past, have
>always made detailed studies of literal
>objects, for later incorporation into
>their pictorial form - they never
>called these studies art. Mr. Mani
>appears to classify them as such.

Where?

>I have previously posted, concerning Mr.
>Mani's school yard bully tactics. I
>would recommend that, when he insists on
>behaving like a bully, he be ignored.
>

Well why not ignore me?
...no skill no art

Modern Academic Art is incompetence in search of an idea.

Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page!

http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/

RBrac53660

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Jun 13, 2001, 12:11:12 AM6/13/01
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>Well why not ignore me?

Because your too fun when you get into a temper tantrum.


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