Acrylic brand?
Leshiye
to mix brands. Can someone point me to the direction of the best brand.
Thanks for your time.
Marilyn
> Acrylic brand?
GOLDEN are the paints which I like best, then Liquitex.
Don't mix brands because the different companies use
different chemicals, which could affect pigments ...
M
Brother Alphabet
On 28 Aug 1998, Leshiye wrote:
> Hi I am thinking about trying Acrylics for the first time. I have been
> told not to mix brands. Can someone point me to the direction of the
> best brand. Thanks for your time.
It is generally believed that certain acrylic brands will cause odd things
to happen if mixed...I have only seen this happen once...and what happened
was not all that bad... and I am sure the skin will grow back normally.
Hehe. Just joking.
Brands I recommend:
Winsor & Newton makes a very reliable series of acrylics...The price is
not too high and the consistency of the paint is...well...consistent.
Better than that (IMO) is the entire Utrecht line of acrylics...better
still, you can get them in Pint Jars rather than in annoying tubes. You
can even get some colors in GALLON JUGS! Massive!
For beginners, Utrecht has some seriously good prices...Pints starting at
around 3.80...Thats a PINT for 3.80! (Thats a honkin load of paint).
My opinion of liquitex paint: Nice color array. Too expensive. Unreliable
consistency in certain grades. Too expensive. Too expensive. I would come
right out and say they suck, but I can't because I use a few of their
pigments as well as some of their acrylic mediums, and their mars black in
the big huge tube. OK, OK, in a BIND I buy a lot of other colors from
them, too...Sometimes I need a color and I dont feel like waiting on mail
order...plus I just really LIKE turquise DEEP! Whoo! Thats a blue! I love
it.
Er...but anyway...above all the rest, I wouyld recommend Utrecht for
price, quality and range of product...You can buy gesso by the gallon,
gloss medium by the gallon, so on and so forth...At one time they had a
deal on 2 gallons of gesso for 30 dollars...its really hard to beat that.
I dont know their 800 number off hand, but I think you can find it by
calling the 800 directory operator...Utrecht has branch offices in New
York, Chicago, San Francisco and Detroit...and maybe one more...
Hutto
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>
>
> I dont know their 800 number off hand, but I think you can find it by
> calling the 800 directory operator...Utrecht has branch offices in New
> York, Chicago, San Francisco and Detroit...and maybe one more...
>
There is one in downtown Washington, DC. That's where I buy my gesso!
- Bob C.
Dignie Fide
>
>Hi I am thinking about trying Acrylics for the first time. I have been told not
>to mix brands. Can someone point me to the direction of the best brand.
>Thanks for your time.
I throw my vote for Utrecht if you are a beginner, or even
if you are a professional. Utrecht makes what it sells as
paints and they are as good as others I've tried, including
Golden. And they are the most economical I've found when
purchased in the pint sizes. D. Fide.
Brother Alphabet
I have seen their catalog recently (finally) and have learned that they
have expanded since the last time I checked...
They have locations in :
Berkeley CA
West L.A., CA
San Francisco, CA
Washington, D.C.
Boston, MA
Chicago, IL
Seattle, WA
Detroit, MI
(I think 8 was the total, but I might have missed one...)
Plus, they *DO* have a web site even though word searches returned little
info for me last time I tried:
Have not been there yet so I dont know what its like...but it was listed
on the cover of the catalog.
Prices have gone up...
25 yards of canvas (11.04 oz/sq yd) = 168.53 up from 120.00
Pints of Acylic Gesso-Colors = 4.95
"Super-Saver" pro-line pints = 5.45
Pro-Line starts at 8.25/pint and goes as high as 30.00/pint
Gallon Gesso = 15 and change for 1 gallon, and slight discounts for 2 or 4
gallon packs.
Gallon Pro-Line gesso was a bit more.
Also still have decent deals on gallons of white and black as well as
gallons of various mediums and extenders.
Can't quote accurate prices until I see the new catalog...
BTW: "I do not work for Utrecht and this is not the opinion of my
employer..." hehe...Although if any Utrecht employee reads this: Please
print this, give it to your boss and ask for store credit on my behalf :).
Thanks...
Petra Fide
ja...@isis.msstate.edu says...
>I have seen their catalog recently (finally) and have learned that they
>have expanded since the last time I checked...
Have any secret code for getting a catalog from these
people, short of placing a blind order and hoping one
comes with the order? I've tried four separate times
in the past few months and have yet to receive one.
I have left messages on answering machines and talked
to order clerks. I have never found Utrecht easy to deal
with in any case -- but can't understand their slowness
in providing catalogs. Guess they have more business
than they know what to do with or have expanded so
fast that they can't now keep up with their customers.
Petra Fide.
Bob Parsons
Go to their website. There is an on-line catalog request form there;
Maybe that will work :-)
http://www.utrechtart.com/
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Ron Thomas
www.utrechtart.com, and ask for catalog, received same in
less than 10 working days via smail mail.
Ron
Petra Fide
says...
>
>Getting a Utrecht catalog: went to their web site,
>www.utrechtart.com, and ask for catalog, received same in
>less than 10 working days via smail mail.
Thanks. Must have been deja vu but the very next
day after writing about not getting their catalog one
showed up in my mail. I had tried ordering ALSO
from the Web site so not sure which one of several
requests the catalog was in response to but I think
that having the request in written form as you do when
you send a Web message is probably better than
leaving a voice mail on their answering machine.
Petra Fide.
PS In spite of Utrecht expanding its retail outlets,
their catalog remains as it has been for many
years -- pretty bare-bones and devoted mainly
to bulk sales, but still one of the most economical
sources around for quality artist materials.
Larry Seiler
Galeria paint lately, some will have no doubt something negative to say.
I like the convenience of the 250 ml squeeze bottles with an easy cap.
While retailing about $9.70 in many art stores....many budget catalogs such
as Cheap Joe's, or Ott's sell them around $6.79 for 250 ml....I call that a
bargain.
I often mix my paint with Liquitex gelex medium for more oil like impasto
or texture. On canvas, I even had one higher end gallery in the Twin
Cities hang an original of mine as an oil, and had to correct them.
Nothing bad to say about Utrech. I have fun going into their store down in
Chicago. I've bought some of their supplies, but haven't tried their
acrylics yet. I've been using the Galeria's though for my landscape
paintings, and you can judge the results of those.
Larry Seiler
my art web site at- http://cwinc.net/larryseiler
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Heather
: In article <199808281743...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, les...@aol.com says...
:>
:>Hi I am thinking about trying Acrylics for the first time. I have been told not
:>to mix brands. Can someone point me to the direction of the best brand.
:>Thanks for your time.
the whole misconception about mixed brands comes from the manufactuer. of
course X-brand is going to tell ppl not to mix brands: they want you to
use their product exclusively so they in turn make more money. there are
different grades of paint <student, artist, etc> the lower the grade, the
less pigment, the greater the transparency. winsor newton's finity
acrylics are pretty good and very economical. you might also want to pick
up some extender to mix w/ your paints to extend the drying time.
acrylics dry extremely fast which can be rather frustrating when you're
trying to blend colours. hopefully this was helpful to you..
take care-
H.
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John Nissen
I have recently attempted working with acrylic gloss medium on paper. In doing
so I have found reputable brands of acrylic paint producing nasty yellowing
on paper samples I had painted various mediums and paints onto.
Gloss medium should be water and acrylic binder -an inert chemical compound
until dehydrated- which as doing so fixes the plastic held pigments together
and to a suitable surface supporting the paint, when dry stays inert.
Thick acrylic paint once ensured dry can be pulled off smooth enough surfaces
such as glass, then left to finish drying on its underside. I once tried
painting purely with acrylic paint taken off glass and two nails to hang it on
the wall. Unfortunatly the weight of the paint distorts and eventually rips
itself from the wall, I have to leave it to be a floor piece now & I have made
others in the style of rugs!
Unfortunatly I found yellowing of the paper on both visible sides of the paper
for Liquitex, Winsor & Newton and a range of cheaper paints. This I have
discovered is due to extenders, opacifiers and fillers (a name coined for a
substance that is added to paint to inexpensively increase the volume of the
paint for cheaper production).
Extenders are added to cheaper pigment which drys too quickly and to a paint
manufacturing run that has allowed for too much drying within the mixture
before bottling. Opacifiers are used similarily for a different effect, both
these mean poorer paint handling and cause yellowing on the back of my paper.
The paint additive commonly used which is at fault gives the paint a slower
steadier production so manufacturers can save a production runs worth of paint
from waste if some part of the process fails. It will cause yellowing as it
chemically reacts with some paper ingredients. The production process is very
volatile and the process fails often, driving up costs for the manufacturer
who doesn't use this filler. So unsurprisingly the best quality paints cost
more.
Lightfastness/permanence is another reason to weigh up cost vs quality. Do
you want the colour to last? Some of the best paintings have taken 50 years
to be recognised as great works of art. It was a shame for a proud early
Hockney acrylic painting owner to find the colour of the painting fadeing to
grey undistinguishable thing. The acylic he had used was pretty primative,
the painting was around 50yrs old. Remember acrylic technologies are relatively
new and so a lot of pigments and mediums are not proven not to chemical change
or degrade over long periods of time and some conditions.
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As I said earlier, Liquitex and Windsor & Newton gloss medium and the paints
of theirs I've tried produce yellowing in some of the tests I've done.
Golden is one brand who state that their paints do not contain "fillers,
extenders or opacifiers" and that "no toners or dyes are included. No
adulterants of any kind are added." I have used it on occasion and some friends
of mine swear by it. Ara Acrylics, from a canal boat in Amsterdam, produce a
very good range of slightly cheaper acrylics. The brand is hard to find, like
Golden, I haven't got their phone number but when I find out the numbers
I'll post them through.
For the very best quality I would recommend a Swiss paint manufacturer and
restoration and preservation specialist, Lascaux. Their colours are brilliant
and said to be the most lightfast and permanent, resistent to cracking and
yellowing. The range of acrylic paint types includes: Artist colours, the
cheaper Studio colours- comparable to Ara acrylics in price, Water-soluble
acrylics, modeling pastes and a range of gouache colours. Decent customer
support and information is also available, something that W&N have stopped
recently.
I have a telephone no. for Lascaux-
It's (Switzerland) 0041-1-833 07 86. Fax 0041-1-833 61 80.
Oliver
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Irma Dillo
>
>On buying Quality Acrylics-
a good post. For raw acrylics and pigments you
might wish to contact Guerra Pigments in the
USA. They have a Web site last time I looked.
Irma Dillo.
Irma Dillo
>a good post. For raw acrylics and pigments you
>might wish to contact Guerra Pigments in the
>USA. They have a Web site last time I looked.
>Irma Dillo.
Well, I thought they had a Web site but couldn't
find it. Here is the address and phone number
though:
Guerra Paint & Pigment
510 East 13th St.
New York, N.Y. 10009
(212) 529-0628
ted_malong
John Nissen wrote:
: On buying Quality Acrylics-
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: As I said earlier, Liquitex and Windsor & Newton gloss medium
I'm just testing here.