Zbukvic watercolor painting technique
Hans
Is anyone of you familiar with Joseph Zbukvic watercolor
paintings....? Just want to know how popular his watercolor technique
is. To me his impressionistic style of painting is unsurpassed... I
bought his book (ref. amazon.com) and video. It is really impressive.
I picked up watercolor painting last year and have been studying
Zbukvic's style. His painting seems more 'direct' then others. It
seems to me that he uses less wet-in-wet technique and prefers to draw
with paint and more pigment ... he certainly does not avoid the use of
Neutral Tint to dull some colors and make color impressions therefore
being more dramatic.... and subtle in his color use. I like it, by the
way, being in Northern Europe with less sunshine and lots of subtle
greys it is inevitable to use something like Neutral tint to play
things down. Off course, there is the trap to over use it and make
things dead and dull. Balancing is an art.
By the way, what is the deal with Australia and watercolor. It seems
that quite a few big names in watercolor painting are all coming from
down under? Is it the light? The colors? What's out there that makes
watercolor so popular?
Keep painting,
Hans
Thur
I like most of it too.
I have reservations on the abbreviations to the figures, in
some of his works, e.g. those in the set of street scenes.
I think the legs fade away too obviously.
Thur
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Dr. Slick
> http://kevinmacpherson.greenhousegallery.com/cgi-local/getworks.pl?artistid=ZBUKVJ
> I like most of it too.
> I have reservations on the abbreviations to the figures, in
> some of his works, e.g. those in the set of street scenes.
> I think the legs fade away too obviously.
> Thur
>
Wow, thanks Hans!
This guy really knows how to use watercolor, one of the most
difficult painting mediums there is!
Does he use gouache for the white highlights? It seems that he
does, which was a technique by Winslow Homer.
Winslow was another great watercolorist....
Slick
Dilettante
> Hi All!
All Zbukvic is doing is copying photographs in basically black gouache
with a few meaningless touches of colour thrown in. He won't even do
us the honour of creating his own colour schemes. This sort of thing
drives the over-sophisticated under-aestheticised New York types wild.
Zbukvic is probably using a "camera lucida" or similar mechanical
device.
Dilettante
Thur
dress them up with a modicum of evidence.
All you are doing is saying you do not like his
works.
The reason is evident from your other posts.
>over-sophisticated under-aestheticised<
Each to his/her own.
I find them fresh enough to spend time on,
in spite of having some reservations.
There is a clear commercial content to the
works, and he will have no trouble keeping
a roof over his head.
Thur
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Hans
doesn't do anything major with it... it is indeed highly disputed in
some watercolor circles whether or not you are allowed to use it. I
think it is a means to an end... and therefore justified.
Checked your website... nice dog! Great painting.
-hans
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Paul Mesken
>h...@xs4all.nl (Hans) wrote in message news:<f2911a57.04022...@posting.google.com>...
>> Hi All!
>
>
>All Zbukvic is doing is copying photographs in basically black gouache
>with a few meaningless touches of colour thrown in. He won't even do
>us the honour of creating his own colour schemes.
Ah, perhaps Dick Bruna (http://www.nijntje.nl/) is more to your taste.
His work has a very definite color scheme.
Dr. Slick
> doesn't do anything major with it... it is indeed highly disputed in
> some watercolor circles whether or not you are allowed to use it. I
> think it is a means to an end... and therefore justified.
>
> Checked your website... nice dog! Great painting.
> -hans
Glad you like it, lot's of people do.
Winslow Homer used it for things you really can't do with just
watercolor, like a white fishing line against a black background.
That asshole Dilletante may have a point: does this guy use a
projector to get those fantastic water effects? His water is really
incredible!
Slick
Miriam
> device.
>
> Dilettante
the painting - at least those I have looked upon - freehand with a
pencil or something. He might have used reference photos for some of
the paintings, that's not possible to tell for sure.
walnut earl
that...
The subject matter almost becomes "hey, that fellow is in
mid-stride..."
Camera..
NorthernBear
and looks good for you and stop trying to copy someone else.
Northern Bear
Dilettante
> I like using my own technique. Try originality . . . paint what feels
> and looks good for you and stop trying to copy someone else.
>
> Northern Bear
Don't bother trying to reason with mesken. He's our resident dutch
drunk, kind of like a mascot.
D.
Dilettante
> > Zbukvic is probably using a "camera lucida" or similar mechanical
> > device.
> >
> > Dilettante
> Is he? He seems to be drawing a rough draft - the main outlines - of
> the painting - at least those I have looked upon - freehand with a
> pencil or something.
This fits in with how you use a camera lucida. You view your support
(canvas, paper, etc.) through an eyepiece that makes it appear as if
the object (in his case probably a photo) is on the paper. then you
trace over the outline. this is how you can get an appearance of a
freehand drawing.
He might have used reference photos
No, he is just translating photos to a quicky watercolour gimmick.
for some of
> the paintings, that's not possible to tell for sure.
Try listening to your emotions when you see one of his pieces.
Look at the placement of the figures. Why are his figures placed where
they are? What is the difference between one of his pieces and a
photo?
D.
Dilettante
No, a camera lucida. Not a camera.
Nothing wrong with anything you might use. Alberti already discussed
that point. It's what comes out the other end that is important. But
the reason this guy's work is dead is because all he is doing is
transferring a camera image. Degas's work had life to it.
D.
Paul Mesken
>He's our resident dutch
>drunk, kind of like a mascot.
#$%&! Who are you calling a mascot?!
Miriam
> This fits in with how you use a camera lucida.
>You view your support
> (canvas, paper, etc.) through an eyepiece that makes it appear as if
> the object (in his case probably a photo) is on the paper. then you
> trace over the outline. this is how you can get an appearance of a
> freehand drawing.
to those you get when using a projector.
> Look at the placement of the figures. Why are his figures placed where
> they are?
Don't know completely. Some of them are said to be going home.
Miriam
> that...
> mid-stride..."
language problem. What does it mean to be in mid-stride?
> Camera..
walnut earl
>Jokes are mostly destroyed if you have to explain them, but - I have a
>language problem. What does it mean to be in mid-stride?
Walking, one foot off the ground.
st...@mimosa.csv.warwick.ac.uk
(Mastering Atmosphere & Mood in Watercolor)
reveals examples of on-site watercolour sketches together
with the studio versions, and several photos of him in action
in the field. He also mentions using reference photos when
in the studio, and it really isn't a big issue.
It is clearly not true to say that
"All Zbukvic is doing is copying photographs",
so why bother to say it?
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Department of Statistics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK
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Dilettante
> It is clearly not true to say that
> "All Zbukvic is doing is copying photographs",
> so why bother to say it?
Because that is what his "watercolours" look like. In a few years his
stuff will be as dated as Larry Rivers's stuff.
Dilettante
Hans
like what he says about setting up a painting. Doing a cityscape he
moves buildings around looks at the focal point, or stage as he calls
it and makes sure he tells the story he wants to tell. And he
mentioned that the subject matter is actually second to the mood and
atmosphere he wants to portray.
-hans
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Hans
allready outdated... ha!
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Dilettante
> allready outdated... ha!
you spelling of already is also outdated...hardy har har!.
D.
Thur
combative attitude?
Firstly if you have something to say, then what point is there saying
it if no-one is listening, due to your tone?
Secondly, how can you learn anything (my assumption here) when
you seem to have taken on all who pay you any notice, in a low-key
flame war?
If you are a Troll (and I don't believe it) then you have much to learn,
glasshopper.
Thur
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Paul Mesken
>you spelling of already is also outdated...hardy har har!.
Ahem, that should be :
Your spelling of "already" is also outdated :-)
Dilettante
> Can I suggest - as a neutral observer - that you give up this
> combative attitude?
>
> Firstly if you have something to say, then what point is there saying
> it if no-one is listening, due to your tone?
>
If you think no one is listening, then why do you and so many others
read and respond to my posts? This will take a lot of thought on your
part. Take your time.
Secondly, I like everyone has much to learn, and we always will, but
not I strongly doubt if I have anything to learn from you except how
little I have to learn from you. Now try giving up.
D.
Hans
You're right... you got me there ;-) You can tell it isn't my native tongue.
What do you really enjoy in terms of watercolor style and technique???
-hans
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Thur
Your analysis of the facts is paper thin. The replies are either mocking
and taunting, or directly offensive and contemptuous.
Can I make the assumption then that there is someone who has something
from which you can learn?
Ask yourself why you post.
1) to learn. If so from whom?
2) to teach. If so who?
3) to impress yourself?
> I strongly doubt if I have anything to learn from you except how
> little I have to learn from you.
No problem with that.
You would like to know what I think of your qualities as a poster
to this group?
No, I will not point out what I think might be hurtful for hurtful's sake.
Whether you or I have any qualities of any worth is best left for
unsolicited testimonial.
I did say I was a neutral observer. I had a certain right because I
do not remember you posting anything offensive to me, and
I do not remember any of my posts being offensive either.
Please let us all know what you hope to gain from the group, and
how.
Thur
Dilettante
> Your analysis of the facts is paper thin.
Good, that saves storage space.
The replies are either mocking
> and taunting, or directly offensive and contemptuous.
Appropriate in your case. Now go away.
>
> Can I make the assumption then that there is someone who has something
> from which you can learn?
Do I really have to read all this?
D.