Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?
Harry Yape
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
And miss it each night and day
I know I'm not wrong... this feeling's gettin' stronger
The longer, I stay away
Miss them moss covered vines...the tall sugar pines
Where mockin' birds used to sing
And I'd like to see that lazy Mississippi...hurryin' into spring
The moonlight on the bayou.......a Creole tune.... that fills the air
I dream... about Magnolias in bloom......and I'm wishin' I was there
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
When that's where you left your heart
And there's one thing more...I miss the one I care for
More than I miss New Orleans
(instrumental break)
The moonlight on the bayou.......a Creole tune.... that fills the air
I dream... about Magnolias in bloom......and I'm wishin' I was there
Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans
When that's where you left your heart
And there's one thing more...I miss the one I care for
More.....more than I miss.......New Orleans
lolasc...@yahoo.com
Bill
by chemical / industrial waste, plus human bacterial waste, plus sea
water BEFORE Katrina ! It's a city whose air was poluted by toxic
fumes from some of the largest chemical plants on earth.Before Katrina
A city below sea level, subject to flooding from a large lake, a large
river and from the sea. A city subject to moderate flooding ever four
or five years and total wipeouts ever twenty five years or so. One of
the most corrupt cities in one of the most corrupt States of the union.
And governed by some of the most incompetent dunces ever to hold public
office. Miss it ? A better reaction to NOLA is: "Forget it".
Harry Yape
billm...@yahoo.com says...
>A better reaction to NOLA is: "Forget it".
I can only guess that there is not a romantic
gene in your makeup. Forgetting the romance
that the name New Orleans engenders will take
some generations to accomplish, I would guess.
Thur
"Bill" <billm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill" said:-
>....most incompetent dunces ever to hold public office.<
When the homes of movie stars are threatened by forest fires,
fleets of aeroplanes and helicoptors are scrambled to ferry huge
loads of water to try to stop the destruction.
Contrast this with those gatherings of people in sports stadia and
other places where they were thirsting for a drop of water.
Did the local authorities stop water and food transports arriving,
and just who and what managed to make those buses arrive after
5 days rather than say 2 days?
The national disaster that has struck USA was nothing to the social
and political fallout. The nation's belief in it's ability to solve it's
problems
on it's own, it's naive faith in it's ability to problem solve itself out of
any
scrape, and even it's political stability and social cohesion (such as it
was)
are all now threatened.
If Jimmy Carter can be blamed as a poor President for his crack
troops failing to rescue the Iranian hostages, then just where will Bush
Jnr.
end up in history?
I leave it to USA citizens to come to their own conclusions, but (I think)
trying to put the blame on the local, black authority is a transparent
rescue operation for the current failed Administration.
Cheers,
--
Thur
lolasc...@yahoo.com
Harry Yape
lolasc...@yahoo.com says...
>
>Thur, I agree completely!!!!!!!!! Beautifully said.
I would suggest that those who haven't a clue
keep their ignorant opinions to themselves.
And thank their lucky stars that THEY aren't
having to suffer the consequences. There was total
"head in the sand" incompetence and corruption
of local government entities, who should have been the
FIRST RESPONDERS in this time of crisis. The fact
that they sat on their fat asses and failed to provide
the means for executing their "mandatory evacuation"
is unconscionable, and indefensible, and their pious
finger pointing at the Feds is going to bite them
all in their big fat asses when this shakes out, as
it surely will.
lolasc...@yahoo.com
in was all local government's doing? Well, I think that there are many
who would disagree with that.
NightMist
<lolasc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think the whole response was a complete clusterfuck from the ground
up.
Everybody from the dog catcher to President Bush screwed up at least
once, and the higher up the political food chain the bigger the impact
the screwups had.
Bipartisan across the board mistakes at the worst possible time in the
worst possible ways.
Barbara
--
"To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge
it, requires brains." -Mary Pettibone Poole
Erik A. Mattila
Harry Yape
lolasc...@yahoo.com says...
>
>Harry,so I take it that you think that all the screwups in getting help
>in was all local government's doing? Well, I think that there are many
>who would disagree with that.
Then disagree from a point of KNOWLEDGE and not from
ignorance. Applauding some foreigner who knows nothing
of USA compassion, generosity, and self-reliance speaks
ill of you, if you are yourself a citizen of this great
country. That New Orleans has one of the largest
populations of blacks makes it an easy target for the
usual hate mongers who wish to play the racial game.
And New Orleans - read Louisiana's - long history of
corruption at all levels of local government is a
documented fact. If you want to read something written
nearly a year before this hurricane, that forecast
exactly what happened, you need go to no less prestigious
publication than National Geographic Magazine.
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/index.html
For the mayor of N.O. to fault the Feds for lack of
preparation is to deny the responsibility - the first
line of responsibility - lay with the city's administrators.
They are the ones who continually petition for Federal
monies, and then either embezzle or misappropriately use
such funds. Same goes for the LA state officials.
Thur
"Harry Yape" <yi...@dontemailme.com> wrote in message
news:4328...@nntp.zianet.com...
"Some foreigner"
There was an interesting discussion on UK BBC Radio 4 which
spurred my post in response to the 1st one.
All those in the discussion were either American or had been
resident for a good few years in USA.
One point that came over strongly was "people in USA do not
care what other people in other countries think about them, but
care what they think about themselves". And more on comparisons
to British arrogance when we had an Empire, and current USA
"arrogance". A very informative discussion.
You will have noticed of course from my 1st post that I was leaving
Americans to come to their own conclusions.
Your emotional reply underlines that point.
You did not stop to answer my points, so I conclude you were in
a great hurry, rather than blinded by outrage that a foreigner dared
to offer his personal opinion.
We are all interested by the country which is too big to let the Kyoto
deal work, and produces 35% of the world's production of CO2.
When USA wobbles, so do we all. However small town, small minded
you want to be about the rest of the world, we are obliged to worry
about it's present and future.
Don't be to quick to think that a small amount of criticism is bound to
come from an enemy.
--
Thur
Thur
"Thur" <no-per...@z.com> wrote in message
news:vnWVe.6351$st1....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
talk about USA, try these Real Audio files:-
Select the Option entitled:-
"Call you and yours: After Hurrican Katrina"
Monday intro about 5 minutes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/listenagain/monday.shtml
About 5 mins.
Tuesday
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/listenagain/tuesday.shtml
(The discussion I referred to has not been archived)
Cheers, Thur
lolasc...@yahoo.com
the lot. And if you have not heard by now, Dubya is taking the blame
and Brown has resigned. Take a look at how wonderful the federal
government was in Fla. during the election year for the Bush family,
quite the difference from the reponse in N.O. It stinks and the rest of
the world AS WELL as Americans are outraged.
Mani Deli
academic artists.
Here they will get about two weeks worth of information for every six
months of time spent there. And of course you will be expected to pay
a tuition fee in order to be taught the following mantra of quaint
aphorisms as a substitute for what the teachers don't know; in much
more long-winded form of course, They have all that time to kill.
- modernism is something new.
-the term realism when used as a negative description is to be
understood as merely a photographic rendition of reality.
- representation in painting needs to be abandoned.
- people who cannot draw have greater freedom in expressing themselves
than people who can.
- art since Impressionism makes better use of color than it did
before.
·-permanent rebellion against the past is a moral artistic requirement
-neurotic or antisocial people are necessarily better artists.
- modern Academic Art operates outside of the commercial economic
sphere
-Art history is divided into antiquated realism and modern
abstraction.
-There is fine art, which conforms to precepts demanded of our Modern
Museums and the majority of teaching institutions and then there is
all that 'other stuff'. That is, painting not holy-critic approved
like illustration, animation and anything to do with commercial art,
etc.
At the conclusion of their studies students will receive a certificate
attesting to their intellectual and artistic superiority. This should
serve as much an asset to getting work and public acceptance, as it
has for all those other certified failures out there.
Mani Deli
>Mani trots out this same old troll every year. If he put the time an energy
>he puts into usenet to making art, he might have had a career. Oh, I
>forgot -- he has no talent.
>
I'm just reviewing your basic beliefs.
Harry Yape
lolasc...@yahoo.com says...
>
>But Harry, there were no drivers for the famous school buses left in
>the lot.
And of course, after decades of warnings, this is the
fault of the Feds for not having a cadre of bus drivers
just waiting.
You know, I learned long ago that you can never win
an "argument" with someone when it comes to politics,
religion or sexual orientation. I momentarily gave in
to the "USA bashing" voices, but have now regained
my balance and say, "Adios!" And may you forever
enjoy your life style, wherever that may be!
Erik A. Mattila
Sure you can "win," but you'll first need to know how to argue. For
example, choke on this:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12637172.htm
Posted on Tue, Sep. 13, 2005
Chertoff delayed federal response, memo shows
By Jonathan S. Landay, Alison Young and Shannon McCaffrey
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - The federal official with the power to mobilize a massive
federal response to Hurricane Katrina was Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff, not the former FEMA chief who was relieved of his
duties and resigned earlier this week, federal documents reviewed by
Knight Ridder show.
Even before the storm struck the Gulf Coast, Chertoff could have ordered
federal agencies into action without any request from state or local
officials. Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown had
only limited authority to do so until about 36 hours after the storm
hit, when Chertoff designated him as the "principal federal official" in
charge of the storm.
As thousands of hurricane victims went without food, water and shelter
in the days after Katrina's early morning Aug. 29 landfall, critics
assailed Brown for being responsible for delays that might have cost
hundreds of lives.
But Chertoff - not Brown - was in charge of managing the national
response to a catastrophic disaster, according to the National Response
Plan, the federal government's blueprint for how agencies will handle
major natural disasters or terrorist incidents. An order issued by
President Bush in 2003 also assigned that responsibility to the homeland
security director.
But according to a memo obtained by Knight Ridder, Chertoff didn't shift
that power to Brown until late afternoon or evening on Aug. 30, about 36
hours after Katrina hit Louisiana and Mississippi. That same memo
suggests that Chertoff may have been confused about his lead role in
disaster response and that of his department.
"As you know, the President has established the `White House Task Force
on Hurricane Katrina Response.' He will meet with us tomorrow to launch
this effort. The Department of Homeland Security, along with other
Departments, will be part of the task force and will assist the
Administration with its response to Hurricane Katrina," Chertoff said in
the memo to the secretaries of defense, health and human services and
other key federal agencies.
On the day that Chertoff wrote the memo, Bush was in San Diego presiding
over a ceremony marking the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II.
Chertoff's Aug. 30 memo for the first time declared Katrina an "Incident
of National Significance," a key designation that triggers swift federal
coordination. The following afternoon, Bush met with his Cabinet, then
appeared before TV cameras in the White House Rose Garden to announce
the government's planned action.
That same day, Aug. 31, the Department of Defense, whose troops and
equipment are crucial in such large disasters, activated its Task Force
Katrina. But active-duty troops didn't begin to arrive in large numbers
along the Gulf Coast until Saturday.
White House and homeland security officials wouldn't explain why
Chertoff waited some 36 hours to declare Katrina an incident of national
significance and why he didn't immediately begin to direct the federal
response from the moment on Aug. 27 when the National Hurricane Center
predicted that Katrina would strike the Gulf Coast with catastrophic
force in 48 hours. Nor would they explain why Bush felt the need to
appoint a separate task force.
Chertoff's hesitation and Bush's creation of a task force both appear to
contradict the National Response Plan and previous presidential
directives that specify what the secretary of homeland security is
assigned to do without further presidential orders. The goal of the
National Response Plan is to provide a streamlined framework for swiftly
delivering federal assistance when a disaster - caused by terrorists or
Mother Nature - is too big for local officials to handle.
Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman, referred most inquiries about
the memo and Chertoff's actions to the Department of Homeland Security.
"There will be an after-action report" on the government's response to
Hurricane Katrina, Perino said. She added that "Chertoff had the
authority to invoke the Incident of National Significance, and he did it
on Tuesday."
Perino said the creation of the White House task force didn't add
another bureaucratic layer or delay the response to the devastating
hurricane. "Absolutely not," she said. "I think it helped move things
along." When asked whether the delay in issuing the Incident of National
Significance was to allow Bush time to return to Washington, Perino
replied: "Not that I'm aware of."
Russ Knocke, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, didn't
dispute that the National Response Plan put Chertoff in charge in
federal response to a catastrophe. But he disputed that the bureaucracy
got in the way of launching the federal response.
"There was a tremendous sense of urgency," Knocke said. "We were
mobilizing the greatest response to a disaster in the nation's history."
Knocke noted that members of the Coast Guard were already in New Orleans
performing rescues and FEMA personnel and supplies had been deployed to
the region.
The Department of Homeland Security has refused repeated requests to
provide details about Chertoff's schedule and said it couldn't say
specifically when the department requested assistance from the military.
Knocke said a military liaison was working with FEMA, but said he didn't
know his or her name or rank. FEMA officials said they wouldn't provide
information about the liaison.
Knocke said members of almost every federal agency had already been
meeting as part of the department's Interagency Incident Management
Group, which convened for the first time on the Friday before the
hurricane struck. So it would be a mistake, he said, to interpret the
memo as meaning that Tuesday, Aug. 30 was the first time that members of
the federal government coordinated.
The Chertoff memo indicates that the response to Katrina wasn't left to
disaster professionals, but was run out of the White House, said George
Haddow, a former deputy chief of staff at FEMA during the Clinton
administration and the co-author of an emergency management textbook.
"It shows that the president is running the disaster, the White House is
running it as opposed to Brown or Chertoff," Haddow said. Brown "is a
convenient fall guy. He's not the problem really. The problem is a
system that was marginalized."
A former FEMA director under President Reagan expressed shock by the
inaction that Chertoff's memo suggested. It showed that Chertoff "does
not have a full appreciation for what the country is faced with - nor
does anyone who waits that long," said Gen. Julius Becton Jr., who was
FEMA director from 1985-1989.
"Anytime you have a delay in taking action, there's a potential for
losing lives," Becton told Knight Ridder. "I have no idea how many lives
we're talking about. ... I don't understand why, except that they were
inefficient."
Chertoff's Aug. 30 memo came on the heels of a memo from Brown, written
several hours after Katrina made landfall, showing that the FEMA
director was waiting for Chertoff's permission to get help from others
within the massive department. In that memo, first obtained by the
Associated Press last week, Brown requested Chertoff's "assistance to
make available DHS employees willing to deploy as soon as possible." It
asked for another 1,000 homeland security workers within two days and
2,000 within a week.
The four-paragraph memo ended with Brown thanking Chertoff "for your
consideration in helping us meet our responsibilities in this near
catastrophic event."
According to the National Response Plan, which was unveiled in January
by Chertoff's predecessor, Tom Ridge, the secretary of homeland security
is supposed to declare an Incident of National Significance when a
catastrophic event occurs.
"Standard procedures regarding requests for assistance may be expedited
or, under extreme circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of
an event of catastrophic magnitude," according to the plan, which
evolved from earlier plans and lessons learned after the Sept. 11, 2001,
terrorist attacks. "Notification and full coordination with the States
will occur, but the coordination process must not delay or impede the
rapid deployment and use of critical resources."
Should Chertoff have declared Katrina an Incident of National
Significance sooner - even before the storm struck? Did his delay slow
the quick delivery of the massive federal response that was needed?
Would it have made a difference?
"You raise good questions," said Frank J. Cilluffo, the director of
George Washington University's Homeland Security Planning Institute.
It's too early to tell, he said, whether unfamiliarity with or glitches
in the new National Response Plan were factors in the poor early
response to Katrina.
"Clearly this is the first test. It certainly did not pass with flying
colors," Cilluffo said of the National Response Plan.
Mike Byrne, a former senior homeland security official under Ridge who
worked on the plan, said he doesn't think the new National Response Plan
caused the confusion that plagued the early response to Katrina.
Something else went wrong, he suspects. The new National Response Plan
isn't all that different from the previous plan, called the Federal
Response Plan.
"Our history of responding to major disasters has been one where we've
done it well," Byrne said. "We need to figure out why this one didn't go
as well as the others did. It's shocking to me."
To read the National Response Plan, go to:
http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf
Knight Ridder Newspapers correspondents Seth Borenstein and William
Douglas contributed to this report.
chris
Harry Yape wrote:
> You know, I learned long ago that you can never win
> an "argument" with someone when it comes to politics,
> religion or sexual orientation. I momentarily gave in
> to the "USA bashing" voices, but have now regained
> my balance and say, "Adios!" And may you forever
> enjoy your life style, wherever that may be!
Well, you're right (on this one at least :). It's like any other
chaotic situation; people will find in it the patterns of behaviour
they are looking for, so that arguing, for now, is more an issue of
bashing each other with our own biases than anything else.So I'll go
back to reading about it in the newspaper, and giving money to the Red
Cross. Once the events are far enough in the past to be looked at with
some degree of objectivity it will be time to discover what went wrong,
and how to fix it. But doing so now doesn't help anyone
FWIW, it doen't seemed to be helped by the media; I rarely watch TV,
and after an hour of exposure to CNN this PM I couldn't believe how
cynically they try to manipulate viewers emotions...
Cheers;
Chris
Harry Yape
>For example, choke on this:
I didn't choke on that because I've seen the same
reports elsewhere and have never myself seen FEMA
respond in time in any previous disaster. So I've
not been defending FEMA or anyone else responsible.
And since I read
your material, here is something in return - note
that the "responsibility" is a shared one!
Blanco: 'The Buck Stops Here'
POSTED: 8:24 pm MDT September 14, 2005
BATON ROUGE, La. -- Louisiana's governor said she is taking "full
responsibility" for the failures and missteps in the immediate response to
Hurricane Katrina.
And, Kathleen Blanco said, as governor, "the buck stops here."
She told lawmakers in a special meeting of the state Legislature that there
were failures at every level of government: state, federal and local. And she
said leaders must take a careful look at what went wrong and "make sure it
never happens again."
On Tuesday, President George W. Bush for the first time took responsibility
for federal government mistakes in dealing with the hurricane.
Blanco called Bush "a friend and partner" in the recovery effort. And she
described plans for a rebuilding effort that would span all levels of
government but would be funded with federal money.
Erik A. Mattila
> In article <bLWdnd8S8rZ...@adelphia.com>, e...@nospamimpix.com says...
>
>
>>For example, choke on this:
>
>
> I didn't choke on that because I've seen the same
> reports elsewhere and have never myself seen FEMA
> respond in time in any previous disaster. So I've
> not been defending FEMA or anyone else responsible.
> And since I read
> your material, here is something in return - note
> that the "responsibility" is a shared one!
But it's not FEMA, but DHS, Harry. It's a simple proposition - DHS was
created to mediate the same problems that have occured "on all levels"
and failed to do so.
And add to that one other dimension: the White House itself intervened
and overrode the National Response Plan, delaying a response even more.
DHS had all the power it needed to respond appropriately, by design,
and the special Katrina meeting wasn't even necessary. In fact it
crippled the existing plan.
>
> Blanco: 'The Buck Stops Here'
>
> POSTED: 8:24 pm MDT September 14, 2005
>
> BATON ROUGE, La. -- Louisiana's governor said she is taking "full
> responsibility" for the failures and missteps in the immediate response to
> Hurricane Katrina.
>
> And, Kathleen Blanco said, as governor, "the buck stops here."
>
> She told lawmakers in a special meeting of the state Legislature that there
> were failures at every level of government: state, federal and local. And she
> said leaders must take a careful look at what went wrong and "make sure it
> never happens again."
>
> On Tuesday, President George W. Bush for the first time took responsibility
> for federal government mistakes in dealing with the hurricane.
>
> Blanco called Bush "a friend and partner" in the recovery effort. And she
> described plans for a rebuilding effort that would span all levels of
> government but would be funded with federal money.
Of course. DHS is a pyramid - knock out the top level and the whole
structure goes haywire. Unfortunately the Republican led congress has
blocked the first bid for an independent commission investigation, so
the problems may never be fixed. Just take the communication log jamb
that took place - exactly the same thing happened in NYC on 911. Why?
DHS has had four years to work on that critical problem. What happened?
>
Harry Yape
>But it's not FEMA, but DHS, Harry. It's a simple proposition - DHS was
>created to mediate the same problems that have occured "on all levels"
>and failed to do so.
It matters not what the acronym, it's all government
by bureaucracy! Brown was a bureaucrat, not a professional
with experience. Same goes for Chertoff. As long as these
key positions are "give away" jobs for political
appointees, nothing is ever going to be achieved. Key
posts such as these need to be filled by CAREER people
who have established reputations in their particular
fields. It matters not which party has power, it's
the same old same old from one admin to the next.
That having been said, the chain of command for dealing
with local disasters does NOT go from the top down.
It goes from the bottom up. City, county, state and
then feds. People don't seem to understand that. They
think the Feds are "god almighty." The poorest among
us have been led to believe that by being spoon fed
as welfare recipients, in spite of the fact that a
great majority of them are too damned lazy to get out
and work for their supper. And New Orleans is most
likely one of the largest welfare enclaves in the USA.
Not sure, but L.A. may outrank them - slightly.
lolasc...@yahoo.com
You enjoy yourself too, Harry...
chris
Harry Yape wrote:
> and work for their supper. And New Orleans is most
> likely one of the largest welfare enclaves in the USA.
> Not sure, but L.A. may outrank them - slightly.
It's certainly one of the poorest. Your Bureau of Labor Statistics
carries a lot of stats on such things; for example this document from
just last August:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/acs-01.pdf
makes an interesting read. note the almost constant appearance of
Orleans Parish (the heart of NO) in the have-not columns.
Chris
Erik A. Mattila
> In article <0Z-dnV6bUcR...@adelphia.com>, e...@nospamimpix.com says...
>
>
>>But it's not FEMA, but DHS, Harry. It's a simple proposition - DHS was
>>created to mediate the same problems that have occured "on all levels"
>>and failed to do so.
>
>
> It matters not what the acronym, it's all government
> by bureaucracy! Brown was a bureaucrat, not a professional
> with experience. Same goes for Chertoff. As long as these
> key positions are "give away" jobs for political
> appointees, nothing is ever going to be achieved. Key
> posts such as these need to be filled by CAREER people
> who have established reputations in their particular
> fields. It matters not which party has power, it's
> the same old same old from one admin to the next.
I agree - that's the heart of the problem.
>
> That having been said, the chain of command for dealing
> with local disasters does NOT go from the top down.
> It goes from the bottom up. City, county, state and
> then feds. People don't seem to understand that. They
> think the Feds are "god almighty." The poorest among
> us have been led to believe that by being spoon fed
> as welfare recipients, in spite of the fact that a
> great majority of them are too damned lazy to get out
> and work for their supper. And New Orleans is most
> likely one of the largest welfare enclaves in the USA.
> Not sure, but L.A. may outrank them - slightly.
I don't agree with that. You only have to look at why DHS was created
to begin with. When you say "bottoms up" you imply "tops down" - or
else you won't have the opportunity to enjoy your swill. Just
recognizing that there is a "bottom" level you implicitly recognize that
there is a "top" level. The idea that top level is some sort of last
resort is simply absurd. It's sort of like arguing that your feet are
responsible for your walking off a cliff "It was their responsibility -
they did the walking - blame my feets!"
Your cynical comments about "welfare" are noted. But they have no
relevance to this issue at all.
>
>
>
>
Harry Yape
>I don't agree with that.
That's why this is ongoing! My analogy may be faulty,
but what I was referring to was the notion that
"first responders" are the Feds, when that just isn't
the case. And my cynical remarks about N.O. being
a "welfare enclave" goes to the heart of why there
was such frustration among the welfare class who are
used to being spoon fed welfare. When they suddenly
find that spoon no longer feeding them, or feel
threatened with loss of their "lazy-fare" they are
going to shout, riot etc. since they've been taught
to believe that welfare is a god-given or constitutionally
endowed right that obviates any need to work at a
job of some kind - any kind.
Erik A. Mattila
Which is only a comment on your bigotry.
Just about everyone except you realizes that the Feds were the only
entity that could respond to a disaster of this magnitude. Even the
Bush administration knows this. Where did you get left out of the loop?
Harry Yape
>Which is only a comment on your bigotry.
I've already stated that it's pointless to argue
politics with someone - and especially when that
someone is so far left of center that even the
term "liberal" doesn't really fit. Adios No. 2!
Erik A. Mattila
views. Adios that.
Mani Deli
painting: they make art. People want Art. And they are given it. But
the less Art there is in painting the more painting there is."
(Parmelin, Picasso Plain, 1964, p. 30)
I guess that's why a lot of Modern Art is just a lot of paint which I
have always suspected would have been much better off had it just been
left in the tube.
Erik A. Mattila
"Art is not the application of a canon of beauty but what the instinct
and the brain can conceive beyond any canon. When we love a woman we
don’t start measuring her limbs."
Mani Deli
portraitst turned out this piece of crap he wouldn't get paid.
http://www.fonjallaz.net/Communist-Crimes/Picasso-larbin-de-Staline.html
random asssorted horrors
http://images.google.ca/images?q=Picasso+drawing&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=lang_en&start=20&sa=N
http://www.hydecollection.org/collections/details-image.cfm?ID=50
and here is an average art school head by someone who did drawing in
high school. If it wasn't signed Picasoo it wouldn't interest anyone.
http://www.worcesterart.org/Exhibitions/Past/master_picasso.html
and a true masterpice I have books full, Check out his erotica most of
which is on the level of public bathroom scrawl.
http://www.britishwatercolors.com/picasso/Picasso4--Painter%20and%20Model%201964-II.jpg
s_l_a...@hotmail.com
ROTFL! Another daring refutation of something that nobody said in the
first place.
Perhaps more careful attention to the actual subjects under discussion,
not to mention their critical context, will make your posts less
incoherent.
Thur
"Mani Deli" <ma...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:f1kgk1liaqn36aqoe...@4ax.com...
Interesting image, the "Four figures".
The whole effort seems like a tracing rather than a drawing.
I get the feeling that the pencil was hardly raised during it's
creation.
All these pieces seem to me to be the artist experimenting,
searching for a new language. They do not show much in
the way of effort to produce something for sale, although
I am aware that they are all saleable now.
--
Thur
Mani Deli
Another stupid statement trying to tell me what I can say
>Perhaps more careful attention to the actual subjects under discussion,
>not to mention their critical context, will make your posts less
>incoherent.
Perhaps a carfull look at the drawing I refer to might get you to say
something about the them.
I bet this guy is a pompous ass teacher who can't draw.
s_l_a...@hotmail.com
Mani Deli wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2005 20:36:38 -0700, s_l_a...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Mani Deli wrote:
> >> My absolute favotite (there are several versions) . If a street corner
> >> portraitst turned out this piece of crap he wouldn't get paid.
> >> http://www.fonjallaz.net/Communist-Crimes/Picasso-larbin-de-Staline.html
> >>
> >>
> >> random asssorted horrors
> >>
> >> http://images.google.ca/images?q=Picasso+drawing&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=lang_en&start=20&sa=N
> >>
> >> http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.art-books.com/artbooks/images/items/273-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.art-books.com/cgi-bin/artbooks/viewauthor/Picasso,%2520Pablo..html&h=288&w=285&sz=12&tbnid=U6kzY6yy3xMJ:&tbnh=110&tbnw=108&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPicasso%2Bdrawings%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26sa%3DG
> >>
> >> http://www.artnet.de/Galleries/Artists_detail.asp?G=&gid=140197&which=&aid=13485&ViewArtistBy=online&rta=http://www.artnet.de
> >>
> >> http://www.hydecollection.org/collections/details-image.cfm?ID=50
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> and here is an average art school head by someone who did drawing in
> >> high school. If it wasn't signed Picasoo it wouldn't interest anyone.
> >> http://www.worcesterart.org/Exhibitions/Past/master_picasso.html
> >>
> >>
> >> and a true masterpice I have books full, Check out his erotica most of
> >> which is on the level of public bathroom scrawl.
> >> http://www.britishwatercolors.com/picasso/Picasso4--Painter%20and%20Model%201964-II.jpg
> >
> >
> >ROTFL! Another daring refutation of something that nobody said in the
> >first place.
>
> Another stupid statement trying to tell me what I can say
Dear me Mani, you can say whatever you want no matter how silly,
inarticulate, badly researched or hotheaded.
I can of couse say whatever I want as well, including the rather
obvious fact that your criticism is
silly, inarticulate, badly researched and hotheaded.
>
> >Perhaps more careful attention to the actual subjects under discussion,
> >not to mention their critical context, will make your posts less
> >incoherent.
>
> Perhaps a carfull look at the drawing I refer to might get you to say
> something about the them.
Once again perhaps more careful attention to the actual subjects under
discussion,
not to mention their critical context, will make your posts less
incoherent.
You have yet to even begin to back up your claim that Sleeping Peasants
(1919) is "real
Picasso really expressing himself" nor identify the critics who claim
that it
ranks as a masterpiece."
Might I advise that you start from the start before leaping off on a
dozen tangents you silly person?
>
> I bet this guy is a pompous ass teacher who can't draw.
Ah, you are substituting insult for intelligent argument, and as I've
pointed out before, jumping to conclusions without any evidence. This
is a weakness that plagues all your writing and undoubtedly one reason
why you and your criticism are not taken seriously.