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Picasso was a Chinese!

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John Ng

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Jan 15, 2002, 6:51:41 PM1/15/02
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If Picasso could live another two lifetimes, he could probably be as
good as the Chinese masters. I grew up with an awareness of the
Western and Eastern forms of paintings and it isn’t difficult
to know which is superior. Stylisation is the way of Chinese art,
which culminated in the Ming dynasty. What Picasso was doing was just
a form of reinvented Chinese art, glorified by the media of the
earlier 20C who were not acquainted with the Chinese.

John

Edward

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Jan 16, 2002, 3:26:04 AM1/16/02
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I don't think that even after 3 lifetimes of hard work in studio poor
Picasso could have reached
mastership of Chinese painters....

He was too hopeless.

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Edward

Monte Guerdis

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Jan 16, 2002, 10:12:18 PM1/16/02
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> If Picasso could live another two lifetimes, he could probably be as
> good as the Chinese masters.

At what? Can you post some jpegs of ancient chinese cubism?

> I grew up with an awareness of the Western and Eastern forms of paintings

and it isn't difficult


> to know which is superior.

Neither are 'superior'? You would have to transport Picasso to ancient China
and raise him in that culture in order to see what sort of ancient Chinese
painter he would have made. This is an asinine comparison. I hope you've
posted this as a joke, for I much prefer to think I'm helping you with a
nonsense experiment here rather than actually having to refute this
silliness.

> Stylisation is the way of Chinese art,
> which culminated in the Ming dynasty. What Picasso was doing was just
> a form of reinvented Chinese art, glorified by the media of the
> earlier 20C who were not acquainted with the Chinese.

How do you explain this lack of awareness of Chinese culture in the 20th
century media? I always thought Chinese/Asian culture was relevant across
Europe well before the 20th century, and even in America by the late 1800s.
Am I wrong?

MG


Monte Guerdis

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Jan 16, 2002, 10:13:37 PM1/16/02
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> I don't think that even after 3 lifetimes of hard work in studio poor
> Picasso could have reached
> mastership of Chinese painters....

Yet, no ancient Chinese names pop readily to mind as relevant in any way to
the art of the now. What a rip-off!

MG


Edward

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Jan 17, 2002, 6:42:57 AM1/17/02
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Nonsense.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Edward

Lauri Levanto

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Jan 17, 2002, 8:55:20 AM1/17/02
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I know next to nothing about Chinese art, and I have no keys to
read the symbolism there.

"To paint a portrait, you first spend three days talking with your
subject.
Then you go home and paint the portrait." This is supposed to be
a Chinese advice. Anyway it tells me the difference of
photorealistic rendering and art.

-lauri

David Sharpness

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Jan 17, 2002, 3:07:35 PM1/17/02
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> "To paint a portrait, you first spend three days talking with your
> subject.
> Then you go home and paint the portrait." This is supposed to be
> a Chinese advice. Anyway it tells me the difference of
> photorealistic rendering and art.
>
> -lauri
>
"One should paint rocks in cursive script, trees in seal script, and
bamboos following the Eight Methods of the Character 'Yong'. If one
can acquire such skills, then he must realize that calligraphy and
painting are fundamentally the same." Thus for Chinese art, one must
first acquire the knowledge of calligraphy in order to understand the
painting.

c. c. wang

http://www.echinaart.com/Advisor/adv_ccwang_landscape.htm

David
Rainbow, CA
1.17.02

John Ng

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Jan 17, 2002, 8:46:37 PM1/17/02
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Lauri Levanto <laur...@netti.fi> wrote in message

> "To paint a portrait, you first spend three days talking with your
> subject.
> Then you go home and paint the portrait." This is supposed to be
> a Chinese advice

And Picasso really heed the advice.... well done. Even if he is not
Chinese, he is certainly a great student... Well done grass hopper

John

John Ng

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Jan 17, 2002, 9:05:03 PM1/17/02
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"Monte Guerdis" <gue...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

> At what? Can you post some jpegs of ancient chinese cubism?

Origami... though it is Japanese. Perhaps you are right they didn't
do it in oil but they certainly did it on (or rather with) paper!
Actually, I don't see why paper foldings are not put into museums as
many I have seen are much greater then Picasso's.


> Neither are 'superior'?

No Picasso's is still superior to the Chinese because he has the media
behind him. Isn't that how you judge Art?


> How do you explain this lack of awareness of Chinese culture in the 20th
> century media? I always thought Chinese/Asian culture was relevant across
> Europe well before the 20th century, and even in America by the late 1800s.
> Am I wrong?

The West were hardly influenced by the Chinese even until today,
except some distorted view. In the past, the lack of awareness was
largely due to distance.

John

Lauri Levanto

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Jan 18, 2002, 8:49:05 AM1/18/02
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isn't Tangram more like your idea of cubism.
Picasso and Braque dealt with another question:
Normally we see objects from a varied angle of view,
how to paint this.

-lauri

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