self-doubt
~Artist~
>
> People don't seem to get too emotional in this newsgroup (except about
> philosophy), so at the risk of being inappropriate -- help!
Most people in this group are posers and would not know how to
support real artists anyway.
>
> I am literally crippled by self-doubt today, unable to even pick up a brush.
Forget the brushes then -
> I don't know what happened, I was okay Friday. It's like something has come
> bubbling up from my unconscious. I look at what my paintings and feel
> unequal to the task, inadequate, uncapable.
Get some sheets and sling it baby -
Forget about he money or whatever
Get the book art and fear and read it
>
> I know this isn't misc.dreams, but the other night I dreamnt of being bitten
> by a snake. I mention it because a friend interpreted it as the power of my
> creativity being held back, in the shadow. I feel she is right but I feel
> unable to break through.
Get some body work like rolfing and be ready to unleash your
serpents
>
> I would be grateful for anyone else's insights or experiences. I have only
> been painting for seven years although I am forty, perhaps it is the truth,
> I am lacking. but you have to continue...
>
> Zom
Do anything with everything you have not done before
Peace
Mattison Fitzgerald
Real Artist
http://www.rhiondev.com/M
her...@linknet.com.au
philosophy), so at the risk of being inappropriate -- help!
I am literally crippled by self-doubt today, unable to even pick up a brush.
I don't know what happened, I was okay Friday. It's like something has come
bubbling up from my unconscious. I look at what my paintings and feel
unequal to the task, inadequate, uncapable.
I know this isn't misc.dreams, but the other night I dreamnt of being bitten
by a snake. I mention it because a friend interpreted it as the power of my
creativity being held back, in the shadow. I feel she is right but I feel
unable to break through.
I would be grateful for anyone else's insights or experiences. I have only
burnin...@my-deja.com
~Artist~ <matt...@att.net> wrote:
> her...@linknet.com.au wrote:
> >
> > People don't seem to get too emotional in this newsgroup (except
about
> > philosophy), so at the risk of being inappropriate -- help!
>
ROTFLMAOWTIME :PPPPP <snarf, whewww.. heh heh heh>
This? Coming from someone who's paintings have been very aptly
described as "a well used butcher's apron" :P <heh heh heh>
Thanks, mattie-dear. This was the best laugh I've had recently.
If nothing else, if the guy has seen your "art" he got a good
laugh and it cheered him up a bit :P
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Marilyn
>
> her...@linknet.com.au wrote:
> >
> > People don't seem to get too emotional in this newsgroup (except about
> > philosophy), so at the risk of being inappropriate -- help!
>
> support real artists anyway.
Yes, one might sometimes agree with that, but then,
what are you doing her Matt-e? What am I doing here?
Why don't you start something real and interesting.
I've visited your web site, your pastels look pretty good,
probably much better in real life. Tell us how you get
$5K for them and who buys your work. That would be interesting.
Is it only Silly Valley people who can afford those prices?
I love to do the work, but I hate the marketing, so I just ignore it
most of the time. Trying to build a better mousetrap, a few
people do make it to my door. Last visitor has a PhD in Art
History from Princeton.
Come on Mattison, be a real artist and tell us that all the
attention given to marketing, does take time away from your WORK.
Also keep in mind that your advice about marketing only applies
locally. You live in a buyer's market where people have a lot of
disposible income. The average income in Canada is equivalent to
that of the state of Mississippi. Would your marketing techniques
work in Mississippi?
Marilyn
wondering what is real anyway?
AAR
her...@linknet.com.au writes
>People don't seem to get too emotional in this newsgroup (except about
>philosophy), so at the risk of being inappropriate -- help!
>
>I don't know what happened, I was okay Friday. It's like something has come
>bubbling up from my unconscious. I look at what my paintings and feel
>unequal to the task, inadequate, uncapable.
>
>I know this isn't misc.dreams, but the other night I dreamnt of being bitten
>by a snake. I mention it because a friend interpreted it as the power of my
>creativity being held back, in the shadow. I feel she is right but I feel
>unable to break through.
>
>I would be grateful for anyone else's insights or experiences. I have only
>been painting for seven years although I am forty, perhaps it is the truth,
>I am lacking. but you have to continue...
>
>Zom
Zom: This sounds like a perfectly normal scenario - but I wouldn't try
and psychoanalysis it. Just accept it is so and part of the deal and go
fishing or something until it passes. It always does. The good thing is
it indicates that you are thinking about your work. Imagine what it must
be like just to be able to sit down and produce images without a thought
... I call that art with no soul !
How seriously have you been painting in the last seven years ? I am the
same age as you and also would say I have been painting full time for
seven years, though for twenty years prior to that did Sunday water-
colours and the odd chocolate box type oil painting (hanging all over my
mother's house as a source of terrible embarrassment). My parents
refused to let me go to art school - they didn't like the hippy image !
When I say I have been painting for the last seven years that accounts
for the five years of Fine Art studies and the two in the *market* here
in London. I consider myself to be very much a *student* and very happy
with that. Its that 'the more you learn, the more you realise how little
you know' scenario. What a buzz that is.
Are you working on your art full time ? If so, you will know that
*blocks* have a way of working their way through and producing the
necessary fuel to make that step forward .... I think self doubt is a
positive thing, no ones wants to grow roots with their art do they ?
That is not what art is.
Good Luck ... and don't forget, go fishing for a day or two !
--
Alison
Erik A. Mattila
Marilyn wrote:
> ~Artist~ wrote:
> >
> > her...@linknet.com.au wrote:
> > >
> > > People don't seem to get too emotional in this newsgroup (except about
> > > philosophy), so at the risk of being inappropriate -- help!
> >
> > Most people in this group are posers and would not know how to
> > support real artists anyway.
>
> Yes, one might sometimes agree with that, but then,
> what are you doing her Matt-e? What am I doing here?
>
> Why don't you start something real and interesting.
> I've visited your web site, your pastels look pretty good,
> probably much better in real life. Tell us how you get
> $5K for them and who buys your work. That would be interesting.
> Is it only Silly Valley people who can afford those prices?
>
> I love to do the work, but I hate the marketing, so I just ignore it
> most of the time. Trying to build a better mousetrap, a few
> people do make it to my door. Last visitor has a PhD in Art
> History from Princeton.
>
> Come on Mattison, be a real artist and tell us that all the
> attention given to marketing, does take time away from your WORK.
> Also keep in mind that your advice about marketing only applies
> locally. You live in a buyer's market where people have a lot of
> disposible income. The average income in Canada is equivalent to
> that of the state of Mississippi. Would your marketing techniques
> work in Mississippi?
>
> Marilyn
> wondering what is real anyway?
Ah ha. One of my all time favorite songs. Les MacCann Ltd. (Must be
British) crica 1970:
"Trying to make it real....Compared to what?" (sung to the tune of "Trying
to make it real, compared to what?")
Erik Mattila
Maura Wenglarz
My way of dealing with it is that I have found certain things outside of my
painting
that inspire me or let my mind wander. This is not the same in every case.
I think including myself, artists are extremely hard on themselves. I think
that you should try to learn to appreciate your artwork and where you
are now. At the same time is there is things that you would like to work
on than you should. We're all learning more and more every day.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Maura
>
her...@linknet.com.au
----------
In article <VXrt1fAI$zk3...@raimes.demon.co.uk>, AAR <a...@raimes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Zom: This sounds like a perfectly normal scenario - but I wouldn't try
> and psychoanalysis it. Just accept it is so and part of the deal and go
> fishing or something until it passes. It always does. The good thing is
> it indicates that you are thinking about your work. Imagine what it must
> be like just to be able to sit down and produce images without a thought
> ... I call that art with no soul !
Still, I can't complain, the pain has already gone after an insight into what needed to change.
The change has to do with discipline. I saw that I have been too disciplined, and it has been killing creativity. "Artist" suggested letting go, and he has a point. I had created a structure of discipline in the beginning so that I wouldn't be distracted, but the need for that structure had left, yet I was still following it.
>
> How seriously have you been painting in the last seven years ? I am the
> same age as you and also would say I have been painting full time for
> seven years, though for twenty years prior to that did Sunday water-
> colours and the odd chocolate box type oil painting (hanging all over my
> mother's house as a source of terrible embarrassment). My parents
> refused to let me go to art school - they didn't like the hippy image !
> When I say I have been painting for the last seven years that accounts
> for the five years of Fine Art studies and the two in the *market* here
> in London. I consider myself to be very much a *student* and very happy
> with that. Its that 'the more you learn, the more you realise how little
> you know' scenario. What a buzz that is.
I've been painting full time for the last seven years. Before that I was learning the basics of painting for four years. Before that I was finishing a uni degree in fine arts, (unfortunately they didn't teach me how to paint.)
I jumped in to go for art at the age of twenty-nine, (that doesn't quite ad up with the numbers I've just said) before that I was trying to be practical. I had been a sign-writer and even into advertising for a short time. That I was totally unsuited for.
For some reason at that time I asked myself the question "if I was going to die, what would I regret?" The answer was swift and definite - that I hadn't painted. It feels like that was the beginning of my life in a way.
>
> Are you working on your art full time ? If so, you will know that
> *blocks* have a way of working their way through and producing the
> necessary fuel to make that step forward .... I think self doubt is a
> positive thing, no ones wants to grow roots with their art do they ?
> That is not what art is.
Thanks to everyone for their encouragement.
Zom
AAR
her...@linknet.com.au writes
> The change has to do with discipline. I saw that I have been too
> disciplined, and it has been killing creativity. "Artist" suggested
> letting go, and he has a point. I had created a structure of
> discipline in the beginning so that I wouldn't be distracted, but
> the need for that structure had left, yet I was still following it.
That's interesting. I wonder how many of us create this structure to
work within. Our entire lives are subjected to rules and regulations and
what is expected of us - it is hard to *let go* or accept something that
does not fit within that structure. I think we set up a similar
structure to work under as artists too.
Mattison ~Artist~ wants to be famous - she wants to be in the glossies
and in the whose who in America to the point that she has forgotten what
art is about - so I fail to see how she can offer the advise of *letting
go*. To me her existence is a jail sentence - to be driven by the lure
of fame and money. In fact I would go further and say it is totally
self-destructive to the artist. Don't get me wrong, I market and sell my
work like any other artist and am glad that the money enables me to
spend more time painting but the idea of being interfered with by
performing as a famous artist is abhorrent.
Maybe I am just getting old ! Having spent twenty dissatisfied years
wishing I had gone to art school, to break out and do it at the age of
33 was the best thing ever ... there's only one thing left I wish I
could do and that is learn to fly an aeroplane ... then I will be ready
for death !
Cheers !
Alison
AAR
writes
>If nothing else, if the guy has seen your "art" he got a good
>laugh and it cheered him up a bit :P
Has anyone actually seen Mattison's art ? her website has a picture she
did years ago and a great long list of accomplishments where her private
collections include pictures she gave to her friends ..... but has
anyone actually seen her work ?????????????
tstp
Isn't a serpent also a symbol of rebirth and renewal?
I agree not to analyze the block too much. I have been completely
stopped, too, although not as much as most of the artists and writers I
have known. I have always done two types of art. When I get blocked on
one, I go back to the other. Maybe it is because one is more serious and
"arty", and the other is personal and humorous.
I have been doing this for thirty years
this month (I just realized!).
I do not have the "burning ego-ego-ego intensity" I had when I began,
but I have something I value more-- that is gratefulness that I still
have that magic feeling after all these years when my pen hits the
paper, even if the result is not up to my expectations :). It is a
quieter, but less deceiving, state of art.
Maybe you are just shifting.
Nancy
burnin...@my-deja.com
She has an old piece on artwalker.com and some other stuff on
her web site. Chances are that she posted what she thought
was the best work.
I think her best chance at success is as an art rep. She has
the personality for it.
AAR
writes
>She has an old piece on artwalker.com and some other stuff on
>her web site. Chances are that she posted what she thought
>was the best work.
I looked at Mattison's site and only found work from 1994. Weird -
nothing from the last five years. The work was enjoyable - quite dynamic
but not particularly unique in style. Otherwise all I could find were
references to comments by her friends and bulked up resume - there were
articles regarding her landscape designs - a gardener then, not a
butcher, burning-chrome ? Most of the links on a search for her didn't
produce a link, though she has dozens listed - could only get one URL
that was genuine.
Why isn't there anything about her international fame that she boasts so
much about ?
>
>I think her best chance at success is as an art rep. She has
>the personality for it.
Landscape gardening is a good career. If she really wants to promote
herself she needs to at least set her signature with the right spelling
for her site. Artists want to be represented by people who are level
headed and will project a professionalism that reflects the sincerity of
their art. I can't imagine Mattison being able to do that.
I wish her luck and hopes she keeps taking her medication !
Jewel
>I think her best chance at success is as an art rep. She has
>the personality for it.
Yeah. I was watching an art rep unload a U-Haul type
of truck yesterday in which all sorts of fabulous
stuff was packed. They're setting up here for he
annual two-day art extravaganza. Most of the bronzes
I saw being unloaded were REPRODUCTIONS and those
are probably reproductions of reproductions at that.
And this is touted as a 'juried show.' Anyhow, I
agree. Mattison should try out for art rep to this
show. Anything would be an improvement...
Peter H.M. Brooks
a...@signature.in.address "AAR" writes:
>
> I looked at Mattison's site and only found work from 1994. Weird -
> nothing from the last five years. The work was enjoyable - quite dynamic
> but not particularly unique in style. Otherwise all I could find were
> references to comments by her friends and bulked up resume - there were
> articles regarding her landscape designs - a gardener then, not a
> butcher, burning-chrome ? Most of the links on a search for her didn't
> produce a link, though she has dozens listed - could only get one URL
> that was genuine.
>
> Why isn't there anything about her international fame that she boasts so
> much about ?
>
If you are so disappointed, you can always look at my site and say what
you think!
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
AAR
<pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>If you are so disappointed, you can always look at my site and say what
>you think!
>
>http://www.psyche.demon.co.uk
>
Why the hell would I want to do that ??
Do you consider yourself to be *famous* ??? other than on Usenet, I mean
?
If not then stop using this as an excuse for more of your spamming.
Peter H.M. Brooks
a...@signature.in.address "AAR" writes:
> In article <932497...@psyche.demon.co.uk>, Peter H.M. Brooks
> <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> writes
>
> >>
> >If you are so disappointed, you can always look at my site and say what
> >you think!
> >
> >http://www.psyche.demon.co.uk
> >
> Why the hell would I want to do that ??
> Do you consider yourself to be *famous* ??? other than on Usenet, I mean
>
I wouldn't want to be 'famous' - it is an empty feat. You appeared to be
unhappy with some art, so, to help you, I offered you an alternative.
>
> ?
> If not then stop using this as an excuse for more of your spamming.
>
You appear not to understand what 'spamming' means. I only posted this
to the groups in the discussion - including people who were unhappy
with missing high quality art.
I am interested that you seem so upset, though. Are you unhappy that
you are not *famous* as you put it? Are you upset that you have not
offered any art yourself? What is it that leads you to this unhappiness -
look at my pictures and you may feel better:
If it doesn't help, let me know and I will see what I can do to help
you be happier - I don't promise any results, but if you are honest
about your depression, I probably can help you.
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
AAR
<pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> writes
>I am interested that you seem so upset, though. Are you unhappy that
>you are not *famous* as you put it? Are you upset that you have not
>offered any art yourself? What is it that leads you to this unhappiness -
>look at my pictures and you may feel better:
Shall I be clearer ? I am not interested in you or your art. Got it ?
Peter H.M. Brooks
a...@signature.in.address "AAR" writes:
Have you seen it? You can find it at:
After you have looked at it, you can tell me how you find it - what
exatly you like and dislike.
I would hate to think that you are simply sucked into the view that art
is what you learn is 'famous' or 'well known'.
I look forward to hearing of you freeing from the bondage of your
own making!
Don't thank me until you have had a look!
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
Peter H.M. Brooks
ts...@webtv.net "tstp" writes:
>
> I do not have the "burning ego-ego-ego intensity" I had when I began,
> but I have something I value more-- that is gratefulness that I still
> have that magic feeling after all these years when my pen hits the
> paper, even if the result is not up to my expectations :). It is a
> quieter, but less deceiving, state of art.
>
I know just what you mean! I find this thread amazing - people more
concerned with the effect, or image of art than the art itself.
You might like to find more honest art at my web site:
http://www.peyche.daemon.co.uk
I think it important to point out this site as there are some that
seem to find fresh, new and exciting art a problem.
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
Peter H.M. Brooks
pe...@peyche.daemon.co.uk "Peter H.M. Brooks" writes:
> I know just what you mean! I find this thread amazing - people more
> concerned with the effect, or image of art than the art itself.
>
> You might like to find more honest art at my web site:
>
> http://www.peyche.daemon.co.uk
>
Sorry! Some problem in transmission. That should be:
~Artist~
juried exhibiton.
LOL
Press is Press ladies you seem to know more about my work than I
do!
LoL
Great...Love the Press.
Mattison
burnin...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <UC49ALAC...@raimes.demon.co.uk>,
> Alison <a...@signature.in.address> wrote:
> > In article <7mvarq$sqv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, burnin...@my-deja.com
> > writes
> >
> > >If nothing else, if the guy has seen your "art" he got a good
> > >laugh and it cheered him up a bit :P
> >
> > Has anyone actually seen Mattison's art ? her website has a picture
> she
> > did years ago and a great long list of accomplishments where her
> private
> > collections include pictures she gave to her friends ..... but has
> > anyone actually seen her work ?????????????
>
> She has an old piece on artwalker.com and some other stuff on
> her web site. Chances are that she posted what she thought
> was the best work.
>
> I think her best chance at success is as an art rep. She has
> the personality for it.
>
Kay
~Artist~ wrote in message <379518...@att.net>...
:The sister to the artwalker piece just got acceted to an international
:juried exhibiton.
Oh, yes. That must be the famous international juried show in the
internationally famous art center of Omaha, Nebraska (see below)
In addition, please remove my e-mail address from your list. I am not a fan
and you are on a level below me. While your are does show potential, I have
no interest in your art and my only interest in you, as a person, is saving
some posts to show students with self-esteem problems that one can obviously
be a college grad, yet remain illiterate.
Fond regards,
Kay
:LOL
:
:Press is Press ladies you seem to know more about my work than I
:do!
:
:LoL
:
:Great...Love the Press.
:
:Mattison
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<matt...@att.net>
Subject: National Exposure 2 Art
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 11:55 AM
If you find yourselves in Nebraska...we will c u there or at least the
art work will...not sure if we will attend reception or not as yet.
July 15th 1999
Internationally recognized Silicon Valley Artist Mattion Fitzgerald
selected for 'Abstraction '99 International Juried Exhibition'.
Exhibition runs August 2nd - August 23rd
Reception Friday August 6th, 5:00 - 8:00 pm.
Over 100 Artist Wrold Wide will be participaitng in the exhibition at
the prestegious Period Gallery 5174 Leavenworth, Omaha, NE,
68106.
For more information:
http://www.rhinodev.com/M- Events or matt...@att.net
http://www.peridogallery.com
~Artist~
~Artist~
LOL
Some of have it and you wont.
LOL
Mattison
~Artist~
> Mattison ~Artist~ wants to be famous - she wants to be in the glossies
> and in the whose who in America to the point that she has
You don't want to be in this you ae just asked.
and
It is Who's Who in the World BTW.
forgotten what
> art is about - so I fail to see how she can offer the advise of *letting
> go*. To me her existence is a jail sentence - to be driven by the lure
> of fame and money. In fact I would go further and say it is totally
> self-destructive to the artist. Don't get me wrong, I market and sell my
> work like any other artist and am glad that the money enables me to
Allison your is of a dying cluture and the art like I said your market in
America. Art & Craft Faire.
I out paint you with my eyes closed.
> spend more time painting but the idea of being interfered with by
> performing as a famous artist is abhorrent.
>
> Maybe I am just getting old ! Having spent twenty dissatisfied years
> wishing I had gone to art school, to break out and do it at the age of
> 33 was the best thing ever ... there's only one thing left I wish I
> could do and that is learn to fly an aeroplane ... then I will be ready
> for death !
Yep and your art shows it. I will have to echos that Hutto is right.
woof Woof
Mattison
~Artist~
They would be an artist.
Mattison
Working Artist
No Regrets!
~Artist~
I am forwarding this complaint to you and requesting the following
action.
This person "Kay" has been following me around usenet harassing
me and abusing their right as a usenet citizen.
It is apparrent Kay is very jealous of my success. She has also posted
a list of mine that is an old mailing list most of which are outdated
emails.
Due to the mean and vindictive nature of this person Kay, I am
asking you to please remove the post from usenet and I am aksing
you to remove the email account of Kay, scarl...@theriver.com.
I am also asking you to also warn this person of my several
complaints of their abuse of usenet and my business.
I would also like you to forward information on this persons real
name address and other informatio so I can forward it to my
Attorney.
This is definately slandering and affecting my economic status and I
want to be compensated for the loss and harassment of my person,
art career and reputation.
I am also asking that you forward your harassment guidelines for
the river so I can forward this to may attorney.
I am also asking that the moderator for the rec.arts.fine group be
contacted sa that the post attached below be cancled now.
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
Subject:
Re: self-doubt
Date:
Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:47:27 -0700
From:
"Kay" <scarl...@theriver.com>
Organization:
Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
Newsgroups:
rec.arts.fine
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6
~Artist~
>
> ~Artist~ wrote in message <379518...@att.net>...
> :The sister to the artwalker piece just got acceted to an international
> :juried exhibiton.
>
> Oh, yes. That must be the famous international juried show in the
> internationally famous art center of Omaha, Nebraska (see below)
Yes, I was feeling guilty planning the country tour of Italy for my
works and Cannes Film fest next year or more away. I thought we
were not doing enough in America.
Thsi caused me to enter something in America for a change outside
California. Knowing that the mid-western part of America is a great
spot for art appreciation (unlike San Jose) they actually have a
support structure for the arts, so I entered the show.
Looks like it will be an international hot shot show as hundereds
enterd and they only accepted just over 100 artists world wide. I may
even jump a plane out there! Omaha ... sounds like another place to
enjoy on my travels!!!
Unlike you Kay - I work extremely hard not only on my works but
also on arts activism for the entire artworld and careers of other
artists.
I am right now making a list of Artists to submit to Whos Who in all
regions East, West, America and the World. Once accepted you are
in for life, just like the National Museum of Women in the Arts and
you can make nominations of others.
Hi Hutto!
Have a great day!
Kay!
You forgot to mention the work I am doing with at special needs kids
which is par for the course for my klans Fitzgerald, Daly and
Kennedy and the homeless art courses I was invited just this week to
teach art in SF that will happen in the fall, just after the open studios
webcast from the beach and just before the big RAN event on the
redwood series. The press release is below....the series is kicking A
on A 10 - 76 x 48's and 5 - 48 x 60's and 4 32 x 48's and one or 2 8' x 7'
canvass. That is all on top of the work my design firm is doing.
Getting in your own way eh K.
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
http://www.rhinodev.com/M
Mattison Fitzgerald Artist Interview
KKUP 91.5 Radio
August 25th, 1999 with 6:30 pm - 7:30
With Paul Rickie Critic Art Radio
Mattison Fitzgerald Participates
Gualala Arts
7th Annual
Studio Discovery Tour
September 4th & 5th 7 and 11 & 12, 1999
Mendocino & Sonoma Counties from Sea Ranch to Elk
Complimentary Cat.alogue bfm...@mcn.org
(See Press Release for More information)
TBA Mini Film Fest
Studio Tour Weekend
Point Arena Art Center
Mattison Fitzgerald
Currently Showing
Exhibits Handmade Pastels
Spirit Shower & Gift From God Series
South First Billiards
420 South First Street
San Jose, Ca
*Watch for**
Re-Grand Opening of Virtual Palo Alto
The Store for Womens Clothing & Art in July 1999
Mattison Fitzgerald will show
Selections from the Spaces Between Series
TBA time & Date by Special Invitation
Matison Fitzgerald
Teaching Art in the Mission District of SF
to homless residents Fall 1999
Tentative Exhibition TBA
Sponsor Welcome
Cannes 1999 Internet Art Film
Mattison Fitzgerald
5 Year Retro spective 1994 - 1999
E.m.e.rging Art Sillicon Valley
Spiedo Resturant
Santa Clara Ave.
Heart of Downtown San Jose
TBA Time & Date
REDWOODS R 2 RAIN FORESTS!
More Art in the Redwoods....
Augusts End Summer 1999, Sea Ranch, CALIFORNIA, USA
Internationally recognized Artist Mattison Fitzgerald has been
working on the Sonoma-Mendocino coast since "she was a kid! My
first public exhibition was with 'Art in the Redwoods' when I was 16
years old. I had to compete with the adults then. Now, Art in the
Redwoods has a category for kids which is great." Since then,
Mattisons career has taken her around California and now into
national and international art arenas.
Early this summer you can find Mattison "painting
out" behind the Fitzgeralds' Sea Ranch home or tucked in behind the
rocks with her pastels along the coast or participating in the 1999
Studio Discovery Tour Labor Day Weekend in Sonoma and
Mendocino Counties located 2 hours North of the Golden Gate
Bridge on the California Coast.
Mattison Fitzgerald is starting a new series of large paintings on
redwoods trees this spring. She will finish the tree series just before
the California Sonoma Mendocino Counties 1999 Studio Discovery
Tour on Labor Day weekend September 4th and 5th and the
weekend of September 11 - 12 hours 10 am - 5pm. You are welcome
to stop by the Studio Discovery Tour either weekend and see what
she is working on. Mattisons work is also represented by Studio One
Gallery in Gualala among other galleries nationally and
internationally.
Fitzgeralds' sempervirens series about the trees is called 'Redwoods
R 2 Rain forests'. Fitzgerald commented "The redwood paintings
are dedicated to the people who have committed their lives to
fighting for the preservation of Redwood Trees. Especially the young
man David who was killed saving the trees for everyone".
Fitzgerald hopes the paintings will be here for centuries to help raise
the awareness of the finite resource we have in the Redwood
Forests. Fitzgerald says "they are the rain forests of the northern
hemisphere and you are responsible for taking care of them. It is
important for Californians and everyone on the planet to stand up
for managed care of these and other important resources."
Mattison Fitzgerald has recently been included in the National
Museum of Women in the Arts Archives in Washington D.C. She has
also been included in Who's Who in America and recently Who's Who
in the World and featured with Womens Caucus for the Arts
Newsletter and the North Coast Artists Guild Newsletter. As well as
received recognition from the National Association of American
Penn Women and the Womens Fund of Silicon Valley and published
Nationally with Ashai Art Communications, Tokyo Japan.
Mattison said she "will donate a portion of the sales from these
redwood paintings to help aid the activists in support of their voice
in saving the environment." Mattison will with Rain Forest Action
Network and other environmental organizations promote this effort
and exhibit the paintings in San Francisco, San Jose and beyond in
2000.
Fitzgerald is also working on a mini Art Film Festival during the
1999 Studio Discovery Tour, Labor day. The Film Festival will be
scheduled at the Point Arena Art Center in the California Coastal
town of Point Arena. The Mini Film Fest will consist of two art short
films and one mini-short animation all produced in California.
The first film is called 'Portraits' is by UCSB Student Jessie
Baldwin and is about the plight of four California Artists and was
funded by the writer of the 1969 film 'The Graduate'. The second
film is 'Pulsart' Millennium ~ A Time of Great Happiness. 'Pulsart'
is an animation of Mattison Fitzgeralds abstract paintings on
healing and was the first film ever on the internet from the Cannes
Film Festival 1998. The third film 'Go Fish!' is an ultra-mini-short
art animation produced by the CADartists who are special needs kids
doing art and animation on computers in Silicon Valley California.
If you would like to find out more information on Mattisons
Fitzgeralds artwork, 1999 Studio Discovery Tour or the film festival.
Fitzgeralds website is http://www.rhinodev.com/M or contact
mat...@netcom.com
For more information or a map to the 1999 Studio Discovery Tour in
Sonoma and Mendocino Counties in September contact
Gualala Art Center, Gualala, Ca. For information on the Point
Arena Art Center, Point Arena Ca.
Kay
AAR wrote:
(snip)
:Mattison ~Artist~ wants to be famous - she wants to be in the glossies
:and in the whose who in America
Alison, I mentioned this earlier, but there are several publications (books)
such as you mention in the Arts, Women in American Arts, and Western
Artists. Other than National Museum for Women in the Arts, the others are
"vanity" books. They get people's names off art magazine subscriptions, art
supply stores, art schools, etc. and send you a notice that you have been
"selected" to be included in the newest edition because of your fame, yadda,
yadda, yadda and if you send in slides/ 8x10 prints, etc. you will be
featured in the 1999, etc. new edition for a simple $38 handling fee and in
return, you will receive a complimentary copy of the book in which you are
featured. Then people dumb enough to fall for this will, of course, buy a
copy for their parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, friends, etc. She has this
on her website (the inclusion). You have to pay to get in these "Vanity"
books and I've never actually known anyone dumb enough to fall for it!
to the point that she has forgotten what
:art is about - so I fail to see how she can offer the advise of *letting
:go*. To me her existence is a jail sentence - to be driven by the lure
:of fame and money. In fact I would go further and say it is totally
:self-destructive to the artist. Don't get me wrong, I market and sell my
:work like any other artist and am glad that the money enables me to
:spend more time painting but the idea of being interfered with by
:performing as a famous artist is abhorrent.
I don't know how good or bad ambition is, but the work has to come first.
When I look at websites, if the work is too old, I assume the artist is not
serious about it anymore. I assume gallery & museum directors would think
the same. Someone I admired showed a work at a group exhibition which had
previously been shown elsewhere in the same city and the art critic
certainly noticed and wrote in depth about showing old work! Work is #1.
Maybe not 8 hours a day, but a continual output of new works. She seems to
fail in this area.
:Maybe I am just getting old ! Having spent twenty dissatisfied years
:wishing I had gone to art school, to break out and do it at the age of
:33 was the best thing ever ... there's only one thing left I wish I
:could do and that is learn to fly an aeroplane ... then I will be ready
:for death !
:
:Cheers !
:
:Alison
Don't learn to fly! I'm still not over the JFK2 death! (Assumed)
Kay
:ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
:http://raimes.demon.co.uk
Kay
AAR wrote in message ...
:In article <7mvarq$sqv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, burnin...@my-deja.com
:writes
:
:>If nothing else, if the guy has seen your "art" he got a good
:>laugh and it cheered him up a bit :P
:
:Has anyone actually seen Mattison's art ? her website has a picture she
:did years ago and a great long list of accomplishments where her private
:collections include pictures she gave to her friends ..... but has
:anyone actually seen her work ?????????????
I've seen it on her website. Maybe she took it down in preparation of more
recent work??? I liked it very much. Nice stringy effect. Very good place
to start...
Kay
Kay
AAR wrote:
(snip)
:I looked at Mattison's site and only found work from 1994. Weird -
:nothing from the last five years. The work was enjoyable - quite dynamic
:but not particularly unique in style. Otherwise all I could find were
:references to comments by her friends and bulked up resume -
Problem #1 - If one claims to be an international reknown artist, they
shouldn't have all their reviews from the same local paper in the area in
which they live. Makes them sound "regional" not "international"
: there were
:articles regarding her landscape designs - a gardener then, not a
:butcher, burning-chrome ?
Problem#2: If you want professionals to see what you consider your
"contemporary fine art" then don't put your landscape designs, plumbing
business, dancing skills, etc. on the site. Get a separate URL for the other
business. I did see some mosaics on stepping-stones. I did some myself and
mine (I modestly admit) are 100% better than hers and I just did it for my
own yard as a lark.
: Most of the links on a search for her didn't
:produce a link, though she has dozens listed - could only get one URL
:that was genuine.
I did a search for Gallery ARTE (in Italy) and couldn't get anything. Ditto
with the other's she claims.
:Why isn't there anything about her international fame that she boasts so
:much about ?
She claims international fame, most likely, from a group show she may have
paid to be in at the Gallery ARTE in Italy. Anyone ever hear of it? Mark,
you are too nice to get involved in this, but you've been in Italy lately.
Ever hear of this place? Do they have Vanity Galleries? And what in the
world is ARTE???
:>I think her best chance at success is as an art rep. She has
:>the personality for it.
Nope. Need to be able to spell as well as communicate clearly. Also, need to
develop the skill of not alienating people.
:Landscape gardening is a good career. If she really wants to promote
:herself she needs to at least set her signature with the right spelling
:for her site.
LOL!
: Artists want to be represented by people who are level
:headed and will project a professionalism that reflects the sincerity of
:their art. I can't imagine Mattison being able to do that.
:
:I wish her luck and hopes she keeps taking her medication !
<gigglzzz>
Kay
:Alison
:
:ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
:http://raimes.demon.co.uk
her...@linknet.com.au
----------
In article <27569-37...@newsd-243.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
ts...@webtv.net (tstp) wrote:
> Zom--
>
> Isn't a serpent also a symbol of rebirth and renewal?
Yes it is.
>
> I agree not to analyze the block too much. I have been completely
> stopped, too, although not as much as most of the artists and writers I
> have known. I have always done two types of art. When I get blocked on
> one, I go back to the other. Maybe it is because one is more serious and
> "arty", and the other is personal and humorous.
Do they both involve painting?
> I have been doing this for thirty years
> this month (I just realized!).
>
> I do not have the "burning ego-ego-ego intensity" I had when I began,
> but I have something I value more-- that is gratefulness that I still
> have that magic feeling after all these years when my pen hits the
> paper, even if the result is not up to my expectations :). It is a
> quieter, but less deceiving, state of art.
I think you have something there. Part of what I realized about the
structure of discipline that I had set up was that it was largely based on a
need to justify that I was painting rather than doing a 'real job.' Along
with that was the idea that I only had the right to spend my time painting
if I was extraordinary.
Actually, an earlier form of this way of thinking was part of the reason I
was so late beginning. I had believed that I only had the right to be an
artist if I was some kind of genius (there's that word again.)
>
> Maybe you are just shifting.
I think you are right. That "burning ego-ego intensity" has certainly
lessened. And the need to justify has lessened as well. There is a humility
that has been growing, just a gratefulness to spend my time painting, to
spend time with that magical feeling.
Zom
Kay
~Artist~ wrote in message <37954A...@att.net>...
:Operator,
:
:I am forwarding this complaint to you and requesting the following
:action.
:
:This person "Kay" has been following me around usenet harassing
:me and abusing their right as a usenet citizen.
No operator, this person "Mattison/Artist" has been sending me e-mail press
releases and I've asked her to stop and she won't. In addition, she is a
horrible speller. I don't e-mail her at home. Please ask her to cease and
desist (though you may have to write it like this: Pleezz ceeeees N deeesst
so she can understand it).
:
:It is apparrent Kay is very jealous of my success. She has also posted
:a list of mine that is an old mailing list most of which are outdated
:emails.
Operator, this fraudulent "Artist/Mattison" claims to have gone to college
and doesn't have an 8th grade grasp of the English language. She is also
trying to hire illegal aliens below minimum wage to spell for her. She uses
her supposedly outdated emails to send me almost daily press releases at my
home. I have asked her to stop and she won't. I can forward them to you
because they are stored in my deleted file and if you ask this person to
send my harrassing e-mails for verification, she will be unable to since I
have NEVER e-mailed her at home. She claims I am jealous of her art career
and she exhibits in the local pool hall.
:Due to the mean and vindictive nature of this person Kay, I am
:asking you to please remove the post from usenet and I am aksing
:you to remove the email account of Kay, scarl...@theriver.com.
If there is a God/Goddess out there then Mattison will remove my name from
her address book! I know what she is "aksing" from you, I am requesting the
same of her.
:I am also asking you to also warn this person of my several
:complaints of their abuse of usenet and my business.
Operator, this poser has no business. If you look at her URL you will see no
work of art dated more recently than 1995. Her business is gardening or
landscaping. I suggest she more appropriately post to alt.gardening.
:I would also like you to forward information on this persons real
:name address and other informatio so I can forward it to my
:Attorney.
Now that is dumb even for you Mattison. They could get their asses sued off
and I would definitely do it. Get a clue, space case!
:This is definately slandering and affecting my economic status and I
:want to be compensated for the loss and harassment of my person,
:art career and reputation.
Slandering isn't telling the truth. You, however, are slandering the
reputations of serious artists world-wide with your idiotic postings. I've
never actually encountered a post in which you have discussed art which is
the purpose of this forum. Your economic status? I thought you said you
earn more than the Mayor and her Assistant? Your person? alt.get.a.clue
Your art career? Cafe ARTE in Italy won't show your work because of
something I wrote on Usenet? Your reputation? You shot that, dimwit, when
you tried to exploit the lack of arts programs for the Columbine School
Massacre.
:I am also asking that you forward your harassment guidelines for
:the river so I can forward this to may attorney.
Here are the guidelines: Payment required on the 25th of each month. That's
about it...
:I am also asking that the moderator for the rec.arts.fine group be
:contacted sa that the post attached below be cancled now.
I've always wondered if raf has a moderator who could be contacted
"sa.........be cancled..." Nope. Looks like the moderator went to one of
your international exhibitions in Omaha, Nebraska.
:Mattison Fitzgerald
:Artist
P.S. Operator, I am requesting that you cancel the Usenet privileges for
Mattison Fitzgerald. The reasons can be ascertained by a brief search on
DejaNews. She not only does not contribute any knowledge to this group, but
also has strained diplomatic relations with other countries who post to this
group in English which may not be their first language. Her posts reflect
poorly on the United States citizens, educational system, and art
establishment.
and
Remember the great thing about lawsuits - COUNTERSUITS!
Kay
Operator,
I am posting one of two e-mail messages that Mattison Fitzgerald sent to my
home this evening after I had requested that she discontinue this *spamming*
at my home. The other one is too long to post. See below for the short one
and please contact her and warn her that she will lose her Usenet privileges
if she continues to harass me at home.
Kay
From: ~Artist~ <matt...@att.net>
To: Kay Kane <scarl...@theriver.com>
Cc: oper...@theriver.com <oper...@theriver.com>; ro...@theriver.com
<ro...@theriver.com>
Subject: Harassment
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 8:21 PM
I have reported your problems of harassment on usenet they will be
closing your account.
Kay
(snip)
oper...@att.net ,
Here is another one that I received from Mattison Fitzgerald at my home
e-mail just 4 days ago. I received 3 on that day. I have requested that she
discontinue e-mailing me at my home and she will not comply. See below at
the worthless drivel I am subjected to within the privacy of my own home.
This came with 2 attachments as well. My e-mail is taking an extraordinary
amount of time to download due to this person bombarding me with her
rantings. See below:
Subject: 7/17 Contact Congress....Art in the Schools & Beyond
Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 10:15 AM
Hi All -
I know you are all into the arts or we would not save you in the data
base. A few weeks ago I sent you a note on the Flower Power series
and my view of why the current generation of youth is less tolerant
of differences in their school chums etc. These kids are in need and
the arts can help fill this need and you can help.
There is an organization called MAMOTAA and they are a National
Arts Advocate group collecting signatures o the net to get congress to
retain and promote art in the schools.
Please get involved - There is a festival of cause for this in Philly Sat.
7/17/99. Visit their site and voice your opinions!
Please remember the economics of art ~ Art does not stock pile!
Support the kids, artists and healing of the American community
fabric. Please let your frineds know too.
Thanks for your time!
If you will notice I am very selective about what I send to my
proactive mail list. We contact you only reguarding art events
related to my studio and some larger art & community & political
(sometimes freedom of expression on the net) things where your
opinion counts.
If you do not want to remain on our list please ask to be removed.
I try not to spam you all and typically send something once per quater
or less.
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
http://www.rhinodev,com/M
Check the events section we have updated it for summer into early
fall. We will be on KKUP Radio in Silicon Valley August 25th! and
Open Studios in Mendocino in the fally ~ consider yourselves
invited!
Mattison Fitzgerald Artist Interview
KKUP 91.5 Radio
August 25th, 1999 with 6:30 pm - 7:30
With Paul Rickie Art Radio Critic
Mattison Fitzgerald Participates
Gualala Arts
7th Annual
Studio Discovery Tour
September 4th & 5th 7 and 11 & 12 1999
Mendocino & Sonoma Counties from Sea Ranch to Elk
Complimentary Cat.alogue bfm...@mcn.org
(See Press Release for More information)
TBA Mini Film Fest
Studio Tour Weekend
Point Arena Art Center
Mattison Fitzgerald
Currently Showing
Exhibits Handmade Pastels
Spirit Shower & Gift From God Series
South First Billiards
420 South First Street
San Jose, Ca
Upcomming
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Fitzgeralds' sempervirens seriesabout the trees is called 'Redwoods
R 2 Rain forests'. Fitzgerald commented "The redwood paintings
are dedicated to the people who have committed their lives to
fighting for the preservation of Redwood Trees". Fitzgerald hopes
the paintings will be here for centuries to help raise the awareness of
the finite resource we have in the Redwood Forests. Fitzgerald says
"they are the rain forests of the northern hemisphere and you are
responsible for taking care of them. It is important for Californians
and everyone on the planet to stand up for managed care of these
and other important resources."
Mattison Fitzgerald has recently been included in the National
Museum of Women in the Arts Archives in Washington D.C. She has
also been included in Who's Who in America and recently Who's Who
in the World and featured with Womens Caucus for the Arts
Newsletter and the North Coast Artists Guild Newsletter. As well as
received recognition from the National Association of American
Penn Women and the Womens Fund of Silicon Valley.
bfm...@mcn.org. For information on the Point Arena Art Center
Contact wi...@mcn.org.
Thanks again!
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Peter H.M. Brooks
>
> Due to the mean and vindictive nature of this person Kay, I am
> asking you to please remove the post from usenet and I am aksing
> you to remove the email account of Kay, scarl...@theriver.com.
>
This is rubbish! Kay is certainly not mean nor vindictive from what I
have seen on usenet. If you go out of your way to be a nuisance, don't
get all wimpish if somebody puts you in your place.
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
AAR
>
>Yes, I was feeling guilty planning the country tour of Italy for my
>works and Cannes Film fest next year or more away. I thought we
>were not doing enough in America.
Strange - this year, when you were at the Cannes Film Festival you were
posting as usual .. did you take your laptop ? According to your resume
most of your exhibitions take place in your studio ... which is where
the Cannes Film Festival was this year ... apparently.
>Hi Hutto!
yes - Hi Hutto - I miss you.
AAR
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>I've seen it on her website. Maybe she took it down in preparation of more
>recent work??? I liked it very much. Nice stringy effect. Very good place
>to start...
>Kay
>
That work is dated 1994, Kay. I liked it too.
AAR
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>Alison, I mentioned this earlier, but there are several publications (books)
>such as you mention in the Arts, Women in American Arts, and Western
>Artists. Other than National Museum for Women in the Arts, the others are
>"vanity" books. They get people's names off art magazine subscriptions, art
>supply stores, art schools, etc. and send you a notice that you have been
>"selected" to be included in the newest edition because of your fame, yadda,
>yadda, yadda and if you send in slides/ 8x10 prints, etc. you will be
>featured in the 1999, etc. new edition for a simple $38 handling fee and in
>return, you will receive a complimentary copy of the book in which you are
>featured. Then people dumb enough to fall for this will, of course, buy a
>copy for their parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, friends, etc. She has this
>on her website (the inclusion). You have to pay to get in these "Vanity"
>books and I've never actually known anyone dumb enough to fall for it!
Yes, yes - they have those here also though I don't think we are as
obsessed with being famous. Mattison always remind me of this.
>
>I don't know how good or bad ambition is, but the work has to come first.
>When I look at websites, if the work is too old, I assume the artist is not
>serious about it anymore. I assume gallery & museum directors would think
>the same. Someone I admired showed a work at a group exhibition which had
>previously been shown elsewhere in the same city and the art critic
>certainly noticed and wrote in depth about showing old work! Work is #1.
>Maybe not 8 hours a day, but a continual output of new works. She seems to
>fail in this area.
Ambition is fine, I think, as long as it doesn't consume you .... and
make you turn to drugs like Mattison. You and I have discussed this in
the past. In my experience galleries like to see fresh work and to know
that the artist is progressing. Nothing worse than a static artist eh ?
I must admit to being ashamed of myself for having work that is almost a
year old on my website. The photographer screwed up last time so the
images were no good. They are getting redone on Thursday and should be
on CD-ROM and onto my website within ten days or so. I am also ashamed
to say that a lot of the work I sold this summer was never documented.
That's not good.
>Don't learn to fly! I'm still not over the JFK2 death! (Assumed)
>Kay
Unbelievable. Is it OK if I bungie jump instead ?
AAR
>
>I out paint you with my eyes closed.
>
I would imagine that is exactly how you would paint.
When's your next de-tox Matti dear ? I hope you didn't pay them for the
last one.
AAR
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>Here is another one that I received from Mattison Fitzgerald at my home
>e-mail just 4 days ago. I received 3 on that day. I have requested that she
>discontinue e-mailing me at my home and she will not comply. See below at
Kay: just set your mailbox to reject her mail ....... I will Email you
how to do this.
Goodnight !
Alison.
~Artist~
There are none.
You loose.
Mattison
~Artist~
You obviously know nothing about usenet. Every piece of mail is
trackable.
You loose again.
Mattison
Kay wrote:
>
> ~Artist~ wrote in message <37954A...@att.net>...
> :Operator,
> (snip)
~Artist~
loose.
You never forwarded any mail to my account requestin being taken
off my list.
If you have them mail, produce it.
They can track it all.
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
~Artist~
burnin...@my-deja.com
~Artist~ <matt...@att.net> wrote:
> The sister to the artwalker piece just got acceted to an international
> juried exhibiton.
LOL :P Yeah? So?
> Press is Press ladies you seem to know more about my work than I
> do!
ROTFLMAO :PPP
It would seem many people do: "A well-used butcher's apron."
> LoL
>
> Great...Love the Press.
Why you're welcome! :P
Karen J. Cravens
> I forwarded all complaints to operators on both systems Kay you
> loose.
Is "operators" unique to AT&T, or is it a carryover from the little BBS on
the corner?
Most places call them "postmasters." The "operator" is the guy in the
computer room changing the backup tapes.
Chris
Hi;
Out of curiosity, I checked up a little on the famous PeriodGallery...what's
interesting is that
a) all exhibitions list the same "jury" - a single professor named Larry
Bradshaw
b) The same Prof. Bradshaw also owns the website, and the gallery.
c) The submission fee is 30$ for the first three submissions, and 5$ each for
more, with no limit. (it might be noted also that he doesn't even bother
returning slides...)
I'd say a certain professor has learned how to suplement his income nicely!
Especially if the hordes (as implied earlier) are submitting piles of work....
Cheers;
Chris
Erik A. Mattila
~Artist~ wrote:
> AAR wrote:
>
> > Mattison ~Artist~ wants to be famous - she wants to be in the glossies
> > and in the whose who in America to the point that she has
>
> You don't want to be in this you ae just asked.
>
> and
>
> It is Who's Who in the World BTW.
That gives me an idea. How about a "Who's What in the World?
Good idea, yes?
Erik Mattila
burnin...@my-deja.com
pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk wrote:
> In article <37954A...@att.net> matt...@att.net "~Artist~" writes:
>
> >
> > Due to the mean and vindictive nature of this person Kay, I am
> > asking you to please remove the post from usenet and I am aksing
> > you to remove the email account of Kay, scarl...@theriver.com.
Forward it(headers included) to ab...@att.net. Tell them that she
continues to send you unwanted email -- copy her on the note.
She'll either stop or ATT will cancel her id.
> >
> This is rubbish! Kay is certainly not mean nor vindictive from what I
> have seen on usenet. If you go out of your way to be a nuisance, don't
> get all wimpish if somebody puts you in your place.
Has anyone noticed that the ONE thing everyone here seems to agree upon
is that mattie-dear is a twit...
Linda Thomas
Hi, Kay and Alison -
Nice to see that you are both still here, and still down and funky.
Marilyn, too. I've been too busy to post much and too creeped out by RAF to
be interested, but it seems to have cooled off. Then there is
John-John - morbid fascination on my part. Do you think he is (was)
sexy? I found him about as interesting as a day-old Tampax. Handsome, rich,
dumb. Actually, I'm bi, so I liked his wife better. Something about those
cheekbones and rich-girl-blonde hair. Yum.
But I digress. I have traditionally done installation art and large-scale
stuff, but lately have switched to performance art. I'll let you know more
later, but it beats the shit out of painting! (Also easier to meet people
and get laid than standing in a studio all day.)
Also I'm involved in my new organization, Teutonic Women at Toronto (TWAT),
promoting feminine empowerment in my home town. So - lots to do.
--
Linda
'Don't call us women. We're vagino-Americans!'
Erik A. Mattila
'Artist", that you may be dealing with the next "Norma Rockwell of Abstract
Painting", or the next "Petra Max of Art Biz." What seems to be rubbing a lot
of people's fur the wrong way is the issue of 'aggressive (perhaps ruthless)
self-promotion. One the other hand, look at it contextually -- isn't the the
'model' of this in Silicon Valley Mr. Gates? How much does an artist absorb
from its environment?
I've held on to this value for most of my life--The last 'ethical' candidate
for US President wass Adali Stevenson, simply because he said 'no' to Madison
Avenue. Subsequently Ike, who said 'yes', beat his pants off at the polls.
Stevenson's opinion was that it was unethical to base one's 'public face' on
polls and surveys -- saying what you have learned the polis wants to hear.
Having spent a lot of my time in the advertising industry, I've learned to
always be on guard against the 'promoters'. This is a strange species of
humans. From the standpoint of a graphic artist, the 'promoter' always wanted
to get work done 'on the cuff' with the promise that the pay-off would be big.
It seldom, if ever, materializxed (I did get a free trip to LA, and a very
enjoyable evening at the Magic Castle, once). So the 'promoters' work is
always done in the shakey terrain of belief and confidencea, like a chain
letter scheme.
And salesmanship. There's a strange bird. I've known salesmen who claimed
(and could) sell ten thousand units of anything (but the second ten grand maybe
no, depending of the 'thing'.) It's all accomplished with knowing how to
manipulate other's sense of reality.
I see "Artist" doing that -- and I think she will succeed since 'art' is such
an ambiguous concept. But what constitutes 'success' is another issue
entirely. She's carrying out a no-holds-barred saturation bombing of a name
and idea in culture, and theryby establishing an identity and a fiction. Also,
creating a sense of believability of her artwork in mass media. She's not the
first artist to do this, but what you have to do is look at the models, the
Keanes, Max, R.C.Gorman, and so on, and ask yourself if you want to end up in a
place like that. Wealth- to an extent, Fame - within a sub-culture, Rewards -
fun, travel, adventure. But will you be immortalized in Janson's or
Gardner's? That's pretty doubtful. Works of art that reach their apex by
engineered promotional schemes seem to be quite etherial, like most of the
objects of advertising culture.
Erik Mattila
AAR wrote:
> In article <pQel3.51259$AU3.1...@news2.giganews.com>, Kay
> <scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>
> >Here is another one that I received from Mattison Fitzgerald at my home
> >e-mail just 4 days ago. I received 3 on that day. I have requested that she
> >discontinue e-mailing me at my home and she will not comply. See below at
>
Erik A. Mattila
Nice to have you back on RAF, looks like you've been very busy.
A good friend of mine, Colin Pepys, (Manchester U. UK, Art History) recently
visited Toronto. His area of study is Performance Art, and he menitoned he
attended a performance at York University Gallery, which he described as being
about 'genitalia.' After reading your post, I couldn't help wondering if
serendipity was afoot. By any chance was this one of your projects (It was
around mid April of this year)?
Nice to hear your sex-life has improved. Met any 'long-term' prospects?
Cheers,
Erik Mattila
Kay
I am (again) requesting, formally, that you discontinue sending me e-mails
at scarl...@theriver.com . Now this can be archived by DejaNews. I don't
lose (learn how to spell, you moron).
Kay
~Artist~ wrote in message <3795A0...@att.net>...
:Produce the requests Kay for request to get out of my mail box.
burnin...@my-deja.com
"Kay" <scarl...@theriver.com> wrote:
> Dear Mattison,
> I am (again) requesting, formally, that you discontinue sending me
e-mails
> at scarl...@theriver.com . Now this can be archived by DejaNews. I
don't
> lose (learn how to spell, you moron).
> Kay
Dejanews doesn't care. That isn't how it works. If you want her
to stop send the request to ab...@att.net and copy the idiot on the
note. Then, either she stops or she has her ID cancelled. Period.
>
> ~Artist~ wrote in message <3795A0...@att.net>...
> :Produce the requests Kay for request to get out of my mail box.
> :
> :There are none.
> :
> :You loose.
> :
> :Mattison
>
>
Marilyn Welch
I can't tell if you responded to my direct questions:
Did you really get $5K for a small pastel?
Are the people who pay that amount Silly Valley people?
Otherwise, I actually enjoy your bravado, and you often
come up with good advice that only a seasoned artist could
know about.
There is a problem with your ad for an assistant in that
you are requesting committment from a person who would
only be a part-time worker @ 20 hrs/week. My experience is
that part-time workers usually have something else going on.
If you advertize a managerial position it should be full-time.
On the other hand you might get a MFA student, who would enjoy the
experience of working with you.
The other thing I would point out is that fame is a bitch of
a mistress. If you serve fame too much it could be to the
detriment of your art. But you seem willing to walk that
tightrope and you have the guts for it. Don't forget though
that many good things in life are hidden and obscure.
I found a beautiful "Heavenly Blue" morning glory this morning,
hiding behind a rock. If it had been out in the open, someone
would have picked it.
regards,
Marilyn
wq...@victoria.tc.ca
Victoria BC Canada
Kay
e-mail and on the newsgroups. I've never used it on anyone before but now,
even if I don't always agree with someone, at least I can read actual
discussions on art. I did call my server who laughed at the whole story (at
her, as well as at me). He told me that my problem was "tame" compared to
what he usually deals which includes death threats, kiddy-porn, etc.. It
seems the only way one can be censored is in a Moderated newsgroup or if you
use an employer's e-mail. Home PC's aren't really restricted. I guess
that's why Hutto seems to have gotten in trouble, because he was posting
from U/Miss. If he was posting from home, from his own PC, nothing would
have happened. I don't really know what happened at the time because I
wasn't subscribed to raf for awhile, but he seemed nice right before he quit
posting and his posts WERE about art. My server told me I can't even do
anything about the *porn* e-mails I get which are usually sent from Hotmail.
Oh well. (But I appreciate the information...)
Kay
burnin...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7n54ek$4e3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
:In article <jtnl3.51561$AU3.1...@news2.giganews.com>,
Kay
Linda Thomas wrote in message <19990721110728.869$0...@newsreader.com>...
:<snip of pages of promotional drippings>
:
:Hi, Kay and Alison -
:
:Nice to see that you are both still here, and still down and funky.
:Marilyn, too. I've been too busy to post much and too creeped out by RAF to
:be interested, but it seems to have cooled off. Then there is
:John-John - morbid fascination on my part. Do you think he is (was)
:sexy?
Who wouldn't???
:I found him about as interesting as a day-old Tampax. Handsome, rich,
:dumb.
Perfect for fantasies!
: Actually, I'm bi, so I liked his wife better. Something about those
:cheekbones and rich-girl-blonde hair. Yum.
ROTFL!
:But I digress. I have traditionally done installation art and large-scale
:stuff, but lately have switched to performance art.
What made you decide to switch? This is interesting to me because mostly
painters are here. I've always loved installation (well, not *always) but
never went into it because of the *space* demands. How did you work that?
Very conceptual. Now performance art, I'm kind of ambivient about. On the
one hand, I like Bueys and Burden - on the other, hate Annie Sprinkle and
Karen Findley. I fear that you are going to tell me you are similar to
Annie Sprinkle :-( Just what kind of performances do you do?
: I'll let you know more
:later, but it beats the shit out of painting! (Also easier to meet people
:and get laid than standing in a studio all day.)
As long as you have your priorities ;-)
:Also I'm involved in my new organization, Teutonic Women at Toronto (TWAT),
:promoting feminine empowerment in my home town. So - lots to do.
Is this for real?? TWAT! I can't imagine calling myself part of a group of
TWATs! I didn't know that Toronto women had such militant feminists. How
do you promote feminine empowerment? Is it an arts org?
Welcome back. I, for one, missed you delightful, funny, intriguing posts.
Kay
:--
:Linda
:'Don't call us women. We're vagino-Americans!'
Wouldn't the proper term be vagina-Americans? In Spanish, Latino would
indicate male and Latina would indicate female. How about
Vaginae-Americans, as in Alumni/Alumnae? I think I like that much better.
Dan Fox
Dan
> :
> :You loose.
> :
> :Mattison
tstp
You asked <<Do they both involve painting? >>
Yes, only the subject matter is different, and with one I use a lot
more color,
<<Part of what I realized about the structure of discipline that I had
set up was that it was largely based on a need to justify that I was
painting rather than doing a 'real job.'>>
I think discipline is very important. When I was very disciplined, I
turned out much more... it is the only way I turn out anything. The
only justification I have for my painting is that I am in a rotten mood
if I don't do it, and I make others miserable.:)
A "real job" may interfere with your art, though.
Well, one good thing about doing unsatisfactory painting (to oneself) is
that it sure feels like a "real job". Now if I just got paid for it....
<< Along with that was the idea that I only had the right to spend my
time painting if I was extraordinary. Actually, an earlier form of this
way of thinking was part of the reason I was so late beginning. I had
believed that I only had the right to be an artist if I was some kind of
genius (there's that word again.) >>
Oh yes, I understand that. I have a friend who is an extraordinary
artist, but had those ideas so imbued in her by her parents, that she
cannot believe she is any good. She started late, too. It is very
difficult, I would think, to shake all that. But perhaps it also makes
her strive for perfection, alway unattainable anyway. I have some of
that also, coming from an artistic family.
Also, Zom, don't you think most sincere artists are plagued with
self-doubt to some degree?
Nancy
Jewel
>This is rubbish! Kay is certainly not mean nor vindictive from what I
>have seen on usenet. If you go out of your way to be a nuisance, don't
>get all wimpish if somebody puts you in your place.
Well, I don't share your high opinion of Kay.
She is just one step down from the Royal Throne
occupied by AARighness.
Kay
Dan Fox wrote in message <19990721171134.376$x...@newsreader.com>...
:Kay - I always suspected that you were a loose woman!!
I try to be loose, Dan. But I don't like to lose!
Kay
:
:Dan
:
:
:> :
:> :You loose.
:> :
:> :Mattison
Kay
Jewel wrote in message <37965...@oracle.zianet.com>...
:In article <932539...@psyche.demon.co.uk>, pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk
That's the nicest compliment you could pay me, Jewel! Thanks :-)
Kay
:
~Artist~
Gardner's??
em
and you would care....
Those books were blasted ions ago.
Go work on your darks.
Mattison
~Artist~
~Artist~
There are several names you can use.
Mattison
tomi...@hotmail.com
seems like whole internet is full of shit =)
second thing that pisses me on is people having all
those "unique" "must to see" "best you've seen for a long time" slogans
on their advos; with stuff that is done millions of times before. a bit
like normal commercial art world; what can pass the hype will survieve
her...@linknet.com.au
----------
In article <4029-379...@newsd-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, ts...@webtv.net
(tstp) wrote:
> You asked <<Do they both involve painting? >>
>
> Yes, only the subject matter is different, and with one I use a lot
> more color,
Can I ask about your subject matter? In another string I noticed that you
were reluctant to state it. I know I find it very difficult to say what
paintings are about, but perhaps that is different from subject matter.
>
> <<Part of what I realized about the structure of discipline that I had
> set up was that it was largely based on a need to justify that I was
> painting rather than doing a 'real job.'>>
>
> I think discipline is very important. When I was very disciplined, I
> turned out much more... it is the only way I turn out anything. The
> only justification I have for my painting is that I am in a rotten mood
> if I don't do it, and I make others miserable.:)
I feel ready to try an experiment, to see if I produce just as much without
discipline. This is partly what I meant by 'the need for the structure is
gone.' My hunch is that now I might turn out more. This was certainly not
always the case.
I am feeling that I need no justification to paint. "I am therefore I
paint." ;)
>
> A "real job" may interfere with your art, though.
> Well, one good thing about doing unsatisfactory painting (to oneself) is
> that it sure feels like a "real job". Now if I just got paid for it....
A "real job" sould definitely interfere with my art. My art, my happiness,
my life!
>
> << Along with that was the idea that I only had the right to spend my
> time painting if I was extraordinary. Actually, an earlier form of this
> way of thinking was part of the reason I was so late beginning. I had
> believed that I only had the right to be an artist if I was some kind of
> genius (there's that word again.) >>
>
> Oh yes, I understand that. I have a friend who is an extraordinary
> artist, but had those ideas so imbued in her by her parents, that she
> cannot believe she is any good. She started late, too. It is very
> difficult, I would think, to shake all that. But perhaps it also makes
> her strive for perfection, alway unattainable anyway. I have some of
> that also, coming from an artistic family.
> Also, Zom, don't you think most sincere artists are plagued with
> self-doubt to some degree?
I imagine anyone sincere about anything would be attacked by self-doubt.
It's a fine balancing act isn't it? Too much doubt and you can't work. Too
little and you become complacent and smug.
Zom
AAR
writes
>In article <932539...@psyche.demon.co.uk>, pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk says...
>
>>This is rubbish! Kay is certainly not mean nor vindictive from what I
>>have seen on usenet. If you go out of your way to be a nuisance, don't
>>get all wimpish if somebody puts you in your place.
>
>Well, I don't share your high opinion of Kay.
>She is just one step down from the Royal Throne
>occupied by AARighness.
>
Got that mirror up there again you old toad !
--
Alison
AAR
>Dear Mattison,
>I am (again) requesting, formally, that you discontinue sending me e-mails
>at scarl...@theriver.com . Now this can be archived by DejaNews. I don't
>lose (learn how to spell, you moron).
>Kay
>
>:Produce the requests Kay for request to get out of my mail box.
>:
>:There are none.
>:
>:You loose.
>:
>:Mattison
>
sending Emails - they will be archived and you should be able to get
them easily.
It occurs to me that Mattison .. and several others on this group .. are
obsessed with winning and losing. Kay - you are one of the finest
artists I ever had the pleasure of meeting - I have been learning a lot
from you over the last few months and one thing I know for sure is that
*you* are an artist. Set this silly bitch to *kill* and add that twerp
*Jewel* to it and remember that winning is for losers ... and losers
never win.
regards.
--
Alison
AAR
>Well, I don't share your high opinion of Kay.
>She is just one step down from the Royal Throne
>occupied by AARighness.
>
There's that jealousy rearing its ugly head again, Flowery Showers......
you know, you shouldn't pout so much - it will only make your face more
wrinkly.
I am sorry you didn't make it as an artist .. it must be deeply
dissatisfying to only have as a claim to *fame*, your work hung in
McDonalds. Maybe in the next life, eh ?
burnin...@my-deja.com
"Kay" <scarl...@theriver.com> wrote:
> Thanks burningchrome, but Alison told me how to work the block on my
home
> e-mail and on the newsgroups.
You won't find many people more knowledgable on the topic than am I.
Honest, the abuse@ email addresses are specifically for the purpose
being discussed. Do not send her anymore than one request and make
sure you copy ab...@att.net.
At that point, if she continues, forward the complaint only to
ab...@att.net
If you try any other approach, it will only cause you grief.
> I've never used it on anyone before but now,
> even if I don't always agree with someone, at least I can read actual
> discussions on art. I did call my server who laughed at the whole
story (at
> her, as well as at me). He told me that my problem was "tame"
compared to
> what he usually deals which includes death threats, kiddy-porn, etc..
It
> seems the only way one can be censored is in a Moderated newsgroup or
if you
> use an employer's e-mail.
No postmaster cares much about post to Usenet. However, if she is
sending you spam, *HER* postmaster will care and terminate her id.
*Your* postmaster can do little for you. It is possible to make
user specific filters, but you have to be reasonably technical to
do it.
> Home PC's aren't really restricted.
They aren't. But her ISP (internet service provider) *will* slap
her for sending unsolicited e-mail -- that's commonly called SPAM.
> I guess
> that's why Hutto seems to have gotten in trouble, because he was
posting
> from U/Miss.
There are limits to what you can post using an ID for which you
do not pay.
> If he was posting from home, from his own PC, nothing would
> have happened. I don't really know what happened at the time because
I
> wasn't subscribed to raf for awhile, but he seemed nice right before
he quit
> posting and his posts WERE about art.
You'll need to take that issue up with Allison.
> My server told me I can't even do
> anything about the *porn* e-mails I get which are usually sent from
Hotmail.
Best thing to do is just delete them and move on. Never send a response
to "be removed from" their list. All that does is tell them that there
really is someone reading their junk.
To be honest, the best thing you can do with idiots like mattie-dear
is ignore her. Just delete anything she sends you. She's not
worth responding to.
Give it a second thought. I really do know how this will play out.
I've seen it happen a lot. The most painless course, other than
ignoring her, is to send your complaint to ab...@att.net.
Jewel
scarl...@theriver.com says...
>:But I digress. I have traditionally done installation art and large-scale
>:stuff, but lately have switched to performance art.
Hi, You're like a breath of fresh air here,
or is it something more aromatic I detect?
In any case, a true story from my first semester
of sculpture classes in my undergrad program.
The instructor was a woman with a definite feminist
agenda. The two or three males in the class suffered
immensely in critique. But I digress.
One of the first projects was to take a full-size
sheet of plywood and 'make something' from it.
Mine turned out to be a large 'flower' piece that
could just as easily be considered a design for
a phone booth. It stood tall and needed to be
displayed in the hallway to be seen from all angles.
It was adjustable too, so that I could change the
shape at will. Anyhow, during the critique, which
was generally positive, the professor suggested
all that it lacked were some performers doing
a dance routine around it. And so I did...although
I wouldn't refer to myself as 'a troupe'...
Jewel
>She's not the
>first artist to do this, but what you have to do is look at the models, the
>Keanes, Max, R.C.Gorman, and so on, and ask yourself if you want to end up in
a
>place like that.
I agree with all you've said here but I'd put Mark Kostabi
at the top of your list, quoted above...
I'm not so sure about Mattison's mental state though...
Of course that hasn't interfered with artist's success
in the past, and maybe is an asset...being slightly (?)
squirrely. It certainly makes for interesting effects...
Jewel
wq...@victoria.tc.ca says...
>On the other hand you might get a MFA student, who would enjoy the
>experience of working with you.
That doesn't satisfy her need to have someone with
all that varied experience. But it's an excellent
suggestion in that it would serve two purposes, and
not just Mattison's selfish needs. Internships for
art students are in very short supply normally and
of great value (to them) usually. I wish I had spent another
year in school working at an internship in one of
the university museums. I would have been enriched
by the experience. And I wouldn't have minded working
in an upscale gallery either...
Jewel
scarl...@theriver.com says...
>Home PC's aren't really restricted. I guess
>that's why Hutto seems to have gotten in trouble, because he was posting
>from U/Miss. If he was posting from home, from his own PC, nothing would
>have happened.
I mentioned at the time that I too had trouble because
I was posting to newsgroups from a university account,
although mine was an administrative rather than a
student one.
It doesn't matter about using a home PC since most
schools now have what they call 'dial-up access'
accounts for students, faculty, and staff. It works
the same way a commercial ISP works. You dial into
the schools phone system/computer from anywhere you
have access to a computer phone connection. You don't
have to be using the school's computers to do it.
But when someone reads a post from a dial-up account
they have no way of knowing whether you're at the
school, home, office or where.
Schools that give computer accounts to anyone have
a written policy that warns about using school accounts
in such a way that the use could reflect adversely on
the school. It's easy to get forget that though in
the 'heat of battle' here on R.A.F. etc....
AAR
<lth...@africana.com> writes
><snip of pages of promotional drippings>
>
>Hi, Kay and Alison -
>
>Nice to see that you are both still here, and still down and funky.
Hi Linda - glad to see you. Down and funky eh ? yup, that's us ! I see
you have an admirer in *Jewel* ... you might remember her better as
Silver; Blue Moon; Pinky Permeated; A B Sieze; April Showers; May
Flowers; or May Poel. Maybe she is really Mattison ?
Interested to hear about your performance art. Don't know if you will
remember but I did a thesis on Chilean art, most of which during the
Pinochet regime was performance art. Still, rec.arts.fine is a
performance in itself, if only watching Flowery Showers getting her
knickers in a twist (only reason I come here now, though your arrival
may liven things up). Do you think she fancies you by the way ? I would
guess she would be attracted by the name of your group (that's her
favourite insult you know).
Later ! Alison
SScriber
dog..I just complain to anyone who will listen..especially God...you need to
stop painting for a while..as long as you want and go back to it later when you
are in a better mood..and try not to think about it too much....that can drive
even the the brainless nuts.thats what so good about a GOOD chatroom with
people like ourselves..that I know what you mean feeling..Ive been there..done
that...Friends with similar expierences can really help... Good luck and
everything will work out as always
~Artist~
Green is a very favored color in this group.
Ignore it.
If they spent as much energy on theri art and getting out of their own
way they just might get somewhere and in vision.
I just recomended .gallery to Who's Who in the Mid-West!!!!!
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
http://www.rhiondevcom/M
~Artist~
> I am sorry you didn't make it as an artist .. it must be deeply
> dissatisfying to only have as a claim to *fame*, your work hung in
> McDonalds. Maybe in the next life, eh ?
My Special Needs Kids who do art on computer hang at Jack in the
Box and prefer it there! They get more visitors than the museum
does in a month in half a day!
Sound like a great place to start.
My feeling is art should be everywhere but I do see lots of intellectual
posing in this group that is slowing many careers down.
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
http://www.rhiondev.com/M
Mattison
~Artist~
>
> her for sending unsolicited e-mail -- that's commonly called SPAM.
>
> > that's why Hutto seems to have gotten in trouble, because he was
> posting
> > from U/Miss.
>
> do not pay.
>
> I
> > wasn't subscribed to raf for awhile, but he seemed nice right before
> he quit
> > posting and his posts WERE about art.
>
> You'll need to take that issue up with Allison.
>
> > My server told me I can't even do
> > anything about the *porn* e-mails I get which are usually sent from
> Hotmail.
>
> Best thing to do is just delete them and move on. Never send a response
> to "be removed from" their list. All that does is tell them that there
> really is someone reading their junk.
>
> To be honest, the best thing you can do with idiots like mattie-dear
> is ignore her. Just delete anything she sends you. She's not
> worth responding to.
>
> Give it a second thought. I really do know how this will play out.
> I've seen it happen a lot. The most painless course, other than
> ignoring her, is to send your complaint to ab...@att.net.
>
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
She sends self Kay spam.
LOL
Mattison
~Artist~
Keep coming honey.
Press is press.
I am sure Kostabli will agree with me there too!!!!!
If you spent as much time on your press as you do on mine you might
actually make it.
LOL
~Artist~
We have been there for years lots of interns and homless and at risk
kids have benifited from experiences in this studio. I will have to say
that it is far from selfish these sorts of programs.
Get out of your own way.
~Artist~
Kay
AAR wrote:
:Kay: you have made two previous requests to Mattison to discontinue
:sending Emails - they will be archived and you should be able to get
:them easily.
I saved everything...
:
:It occurs to me that Mattison .. and several others on this group .. are
:obsessed with winning and losing. Kay - you are one of the finest
:artists I ever had the pleasure of meeting - I have been learning a lot
:from you over the last few months and one thing I know for sure is that
:*you* are an artist.
Thanks. I definitely AM an artist. You definitely are too. So is Dan, Erik,
Mark, "N", Marilyn, Larry, etc. etc. Most, probably even the majority, of
us here are very serious about art. We care much too much. There isn't room
for ONE artist but there is room for many, many artists and many, many
styles. Here, at times, everyone seems to get into *pissing contests* which
is silly (and I admit to being drawn into it myself). I know a lot about
marketing and artists and art history, but I know much, much less about
technical stuff than others and much, much less about theory than many.
Everyone has their strengths as well as their weaknesses. I think that you
are a *working* artist and to me, that is what holds my highest respect. I
can't respect someone who does art one period in their life and then will
continue to claim the title "Artist" but not do the art. Some people here
speak loudly about nothing because they have no knowledge.
Set this silly bitch to *kill* and add that twerp
:*Jewel* to it and remember that winning is for losers ... and losers
:never win.
But losers like to pretend that they are the big winners, otherwise, they
would have to face the fact that they are losers and not "Artists"...
Kay
:regards.
AAR
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>Thanks. I definitely AM an artist. You definitely are too. So is Dan, Erik,
>Mark, "N", Marilyn, Larry, etc. etc. Most, probably even the majority, of
>us here are very serious about art. We care much too much. There isn't room
>for ONE artist but there is room for many, many artists and many, many
>styles.
Well said. I can't imagine it in reality being the way it is here. If
someone behaved like Mattison they would be completely alienated. In
reality, at least in London, we depend on networking to get information
and to work as teams with the same ultimate goals - the future of art.
Sometimes I think we all care too much.
Here in London, our studios have two hundred artists working together
and until a few weeks ago it was a very fragmented existence. Even in
our block where there are twelve artists, we exchanged words but never
interacted. It took a crisis to get us together. When the announcement
came that the studios were to be put forward for redevelopment, the
artists finally came together and between us we were able to put forward
a plan of action that showed the landlords that we could in fact raise
the profile of the building, and obtain financing to make improvements.
Although we are hanging on by a thread and have had to accept a rent
increase, the consequences are that we are now a working group - with a
profile and a mission - 200 artists coming together like this is one
powerful force. And its a lot more fun now too !
>Here, at times, everyone seems to get into *pissing contests* which
>is silly (and I admit to being drawn into it myself). I know a lot about
>marketing and artists and art history, but I know much, much less about
>technical stuff than others and much, much less about theory than many.
>Everyone has their strengths as well as their weaknesses. I think that you
>are a *working* artist and to me, that is what holds my highest respect. I
>can't respect someone who does art one period in their life and then will
>continue to claim the title "Artist" but not do the art. Some people here
>speak loudly about nothing because they have no knowledge.
Yes, of course. This group houses a variety of levels of artists. I am
still a student, in essence, midway between first degree and masters. If
I wasn't secure in what I am doing and confident of my future and
progression, the flaming of my work and, if you remember, my appearance,
would have sent me scurrying. Its not easy to work full time as an
artist - as you know I drive a van for artists transporting their work
and just took a job cleaning at the studios to pay for the rent - but I
do believe that like anything one commits oneself to, the amount of time
spent in the studio is the most important thing. If, by doing these
jobs, the artist can spend at least two thirds of their day in the
studio then so be it. Artists have no space for pride other than in
their art.
There are so many artists here with so much to offer that between the
weeds the flowers are worth searching for. You know as well as I do that
those who spurt of streams and streams of irrelevant technical advice
have nothing more to offer.
>But losers like to pretend that they are the big winners, otherwise, they
>would have to face the fact that they are losers and not "Artists"...
>Kay
That's there problem, Kay. You and I should not concern ourselves with
that.
See you later !
Alison
Jewel
>If you spent as much time on your press as you do on mine you might
>actually make it.
>
>LOL
Well, muhdear, I have absolutely NO INTEREST in
MAKING IT... I, unlike you, have not spent a
lifetime in pursuit of the impossible dream.
I worked for a living like most folks I know and
only indulged my whims vis a vis 'the arts' when
I could afford to do so. I know... I sound like
a traitor to the cause but those are the facts.
And I wouldn't trade my life for yours for all
the silicon in your silly valley.
That having been said, I wish you nothing but
success and happiness. Everyone should be so
lucky...
Chris
~Artist~ wrote:
> AAR wrote:
>
> > I am sorry you didn't make it as an artist .. it must be deeply
> > dissatisfying to only have as a claim to *fame*, your work hung in
> > McDonalds. Maybe in the next life, eh ?
>
> My Special Needs Kids who do art on computer hang at Jack in the
> Box and prefer it there! They get more visitors than the museum
> does in a month in half a day!
>
Well Mattison - if you can get your work - or your special needs kids' work
- into fast food venues then good for you (and them). Why anyone should feel
that art is too sacred to be a part of everyday life is beyond me -
certainly many (historically) great artists weren't above displaying their
work to the great unwashed, while some (like van Gogh) went so far as to try
and popularize their work, by producing (when he could) in volume, and
putting on shows in places like common cafes..It's a time honored
tradition!
Cheers;
Chris
~Artist~
>
> ~Artist~ wrote:
>
> > AAR wrote:
> >
> > > I am sorry you didn't make it as an artist .. it must be deeply
> > > dissatisfying to only have as a claim to *fame*, your work hung in
> > > McDonalds. Maybe in the next life, eh ?
> >
> > My Special Needs Kids who do art on computer hang at Jack in the
> > Box and prefer it there! They get more visitors than the museum
> > does in a month in half a day!
> >
>
> Well Mattison - if you can get your work - or your special needs kids' work
> - into fast food venues then good for you (and them).
Their work.
If you and my fans - LOL - who know more about my studio than I -
did your research you would find it has been a philosphy of mine
since the studio went public - show art where the masses go - simple
and good gurellia marketing. There are no galleries left in many
towns after bushonomics in America so you have to hang where you
see empty walls.
Simple.
Why anyone should feel
> that art is too sacred to be a part of everyday life is beyond me -
Posers - Art world and this group full of them.
Most likely why I have success I avoid posers.
> certainly many (historically) great artists weren't above displaying their
> work to the great unwashed, while some (like van Gogh) went so far as to try
> and popularize their work, by producing (when he could) in volume, and
> putting on shows in places like common cafes..It's a time honored
> tradition!
Preaching 2 d pulpit honey.
Posers unite!
LOL
Mattison
~Artist~
Sorry you are so sick.
Mattison
AAR
<bro...@ns.sympatico.ca> writes
>Well Mattison - if you can get your work - or your special needs kids' work
>- into fast food venues then good for you (and them). Why anyone should feel
>that art is too sacred to be a part of everyday life is beyond me -
>certainly many (historically) great artists weren't above displaying their
>work to the great unwashed, while some (like van Gogh) went so far as to try
>and popularize their work, by producing (when he could) in volume, and
>putting on shows in places like common cafes..It's a time honored
>tradition!
>
>Cheers;
>
>Chris
Fast food restaurants are certainly not a *time honoured* tradition,
Chris. Cafes are social meeting places but fast food restaurants are
not. To most people they represent capitalism at its worst and a serious
deteriaotion in the eating habits of Western people, which has resulted
in a dramatic increase in health problems at an incalculable cost to
society. I, for one, would rather see that money being spent to do
something about the world crisis. To any artist who cares about the
state of the world fast food restaurants should be boycotted completely.
It brings to mind the Rothko dilemma with the Seagram paintings. His
shattered illusions that his art could hang in the restaurant of a huge
corporate building and would somehow influence the fat businessmen, was
a hard pill to swallow for him. The artist and his work is powerless to
change the world, of that there is no question, but he does have the
power to decide where his work is to hang ... and it should never be in
a fast food restaurant.
Alison
Chris
AAR wrote:
> Fast food restaurants are certainly not a *time honoured* tradition,
> Chris. Cafes are social meeting places but fast food restaurants are
> not. To most people they represent capitalism at its worst and a serious
> deteriaotion in the eating habits of Western people, which has resulted
> in a dramatic increase in health problems at an incalculable cost to
> society. I, for one, would rather see that money being spent to do
> something about the world crisis. To any artist who cares about the
> state of the world fast food restaurants should be boycotted completely.
>
Oh, c'mon AAR, get of the high horse...Good health? You mean the "Absinthe
Drinkers" were really doing the healthfood thing? Or all those pictures done in
bawdy houses were really health spas? (although van Gogh did refer to his and
Gaugin's visits to local prostitues as "hygenic practices" :)
Think - french bread, one of the least nutritious substances in the
world....coffee, wine, oodles of tobacco smoke,,all the things that go into the
general ambiance of a good cafe...health isn't high on the list! Oh - forgot,
you're in England...brings back fond memories of cafe delights like deep-fried
unknown fish and potatoes in some unspecified oil by-product, then wrapped in the
healthiest of all substances, a news paper...or high tea with the lovely queen
mum, where high was the operative word, since the tea was primarily gin &
tonic....
Maybe you like hanging out at the carrot and celery bar, but frankly, I prefer a
big Mac! I can make the other stuff at home, but no-one knows how to process
plastic and D-4 cattle like MacDonalds...
>
> It brings to mind the Rothko dilemma with the Seagram paintings. His
> shattered illusions that his art could hang in the restaurant of a huge
> corporate building and would somehow influence the fat businessmen, was
> a hard pill to swallow for him. The artist and his work is powerless to
> change the world, of that there is no question, but he does have the
> power to decide where his work is to hang ... and it should never be in
> a fast food restaurant.
I guess as long as you feel you can't change the world, then you are probably
right...I, for one, am glad there are others that don't feel that way.
As for Rothko, shattered illusions, and business people - if he never bothered
learning to speak their language, then he was probably treated by Seagram's
people with the same bemused contempt that most tribal structures treat
overbearing and ill-informed missionary zealots...It's really no loss. Art that's
based on navel-gazing usually has a subject of very little interest to other
people (i.e. your belly-button :)
I suppose you'd also be shocked at the concept of art going in to malls, and
other capitalistic bastions...but these are simply the cathedrals and
marketplacess of today. If you are serious about art as communication - and not
simply preaching to the converted- then why not learn how to communicate with
your potential audience? Unless (of course) you don't think that the "fat
businessman" or the mother with the stroller or the kid on the skateboard is
worthy of your attention...But don't be surprised when they return the favour :).
Here's a little story - early this summer, I was in downtown Halifax (Canada -
not yours :) with my 9-yr. old son...He, along with a bunch of other kids were
merrily climbing and sliding down a rather pretentious gov't sponsored "art-work"
there called the Wave (a big wave-like glob of grey concrete...), ignoring all
the "Keep off" signs....I was talking to a couple of other dads, glass-installers
with probably a highest eduactional level of 9th or tenth grade...anyway, at one
lull in the conversation, I opened my book, there was a picture by van Gogh...& I
hear "S**t, I always loved those paintings by that guy...", followed by alot of
questions about who he was, and what he was trying to do.... Good art can change
the world, particularly when it brings a little beauty into it.
Cheers;
Chris
Kay
AAR wrote in message ...
:In article <3798C79B...@ns.sympatico.ca>, Chris
:<bro...@ns.sympatico.ca> writes
:
:>Well Mattison - if you can get your work - or your special needs kids'
work
:>- into fast food venues then good for you (and them). Why anyone should
feel
:>that art is too sacred to be a part of everyday life is beyond me -
:>certainly many (historically) great artists weren't above displaying their
:>work to the great unwashed, while some (like van Gogh) went so far as to
try
:>and popularize their work, by producing (when he could) in volume, and
:>putting on shows in places like common cafes..It's a time honored
:>tradition!
:>
:>Cheers;
:>
:>Chris
:
:Fast food restaurants are certainly not a *time honoured* tradition,
:Chris. Cafes are social meeting places but fast food restaurants are
:not. To most people they represent capitalism at its worst and a serious
:deteriaotion in the eating habits of Western people, which has resulted
:in a dramatic increase in health problems at an incalculable cost to
:society. I, for one, would rather see that money being spent to do
:something about the world crisis. To any artist who cares about the
:state of the world fast food restaurants should be boycotted completely.
Anyone I know who has ever had their art displayed in a place where food is
served has learned their lesson. Artwork was usually returned with finger
smudges, grease stains, smoke from cigarettes or grills, scratches, etc.
:
:It brings to mind the Rothko dilemma with the Seagram paintings. His
:shattered illusions that his art could hang in the restaurant of a huge
:corporate building and would somehow influence the fat businessmen, was
:a hard pill to swallow for him. The artist and his work is powerless to
:change the world, of that there is no question, but he does have the
:power to decide where his work is to hang ... and it should never be in
:a fast food restaurant.
:Alison
I disagree, Alison. A restauant is OK to show when you start, before you've
been invited to show in a gallery. I guarantee you will not do it again.
Usually the artist shows for free. People don't go to restaurants to buy
art. You certainly won't get an art review. More artists allowing the
stystem to exploit them. They will learn the hard way.
Kay
:ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
:http://raimes.demon.co.uk
AAR
<bro...@ns.sympatico.ca> writes
>
>Oh, c'mon AAR, get of the high horse...Good health? You mean the "Absinthe
>Drinkers" were really doing the healthfood thing? Or all those pictures done in
>bawdy houses were really health spas? (although van Gogh did refer to his and
>Gaugin's visits to local prostitues as "hygenic practices" :)
>
>Think - french bread, one of the least nutritious substances in the
>world.
>...coffee, wine, oodles of tobacco smoke,,all the things that go into the
>general ambiance of a good cafe...health isn't high on the list! Oh - forgot,
>you're in England...brings back fond memories of cafe delights like deep-fried
>unknown fish and potatoes in some unspecified oil by-product, then wrapped in
>the
>healthiest of all substances, a news paper...or high tea with the lovely queen
>mum, where high was the operative word, since the tea was primarily gin &
>tonic....
Ha ha ! I love it, Chris. Ok, then the we will have to create a new myth
based on Big Macs and plastic containers - doesn't seem so romantic as
your time honoured tradition of cafes and absinthe (did you know that
stuff is in fashion again in Europe ?). But I guess that is today's
world. All plastic and throw away and indigestion and no time to think.
While we stuff our fat faces and throw away mountains of plastic (and
look at the art on the walls) and then fill up the hospitals with obese
people with heart problems, lets not even give a second thought to the
Third World and how possibly we could change that if we didn't chuck
away as much food per year that could feed an entire nation of starving
people ?
>
>Maybe you like hanging out at the carrot and celery bar, but frankly, I prefer a
>big Mac! I can make the other stuff at home, but no-one knows how to process
>plastic and D-4 cattle like MacDonalds...
>
True !
>
>I guess as long as you feel you can't change the world, then you are probably
>right...I, for one, am glad there are others that don't feel that way.
>
I said art cannot change the world. Do you think it can ... oh I see you
do later on. Then let me ask another question: Do you think the artists
should be trying to change the world ? That's what it sounds like and if
you do then one way would be not to support an industry that represents
a decline in social conditions.
>As for Rothko, shattered illusions, and business people - if he never bothered
>learning to speak their language, then he was probably treated by Seagram's
>people with the same bemused contempt that most tribal structures treat
>overbearing and ill-informed missionary zealots...It's really no loss. Art
>that's
>based on navel-gazing usually has a subject of very little interest to other
>people (i.e. your belly-button :)
That contradicts everything else you are saying. In one sentence you are
telling me that artists can change the world and in the next you are
saying that the artist has to come down to their level to be able to
communicate. How does that work ? My belly button is of great interest
to at least one person ... maybe then my art is too.
>
>I suppose you'd also be shocked at the concept of art going in to malls, and
>other capitalistic bastions...but these are simply the cathedrals and
>marketplacess of today.
Not at all. My work hangs in many London cafes and in an office block in
the West End of London (which I get paid for). Its McDonalds and the
concept of Fast Food that I detest - I am a trained chef and was a
restaurateur for many years and the idea of people eating food like that
makes me vomit. No wonder the world is full of so many unhealthy and fat
people - we lost the skills of nutritious meals eaten slowly as part of
social intercourse. Its a ritual that is in dire need of restoration. I
miss my restaurant !
>If you are serious about art as communication - and not
>simply preaching to the converted- then why not learn how to communicate with
>your potential audience?
I personally have no interest in *communicating* through my art. Art,
for me, is an aesthetic pleasure. My reasons for doing art are
completely selfish, as are most artists, and if I can make enough money
out of it to be able to continue working every day at it then that is
all I really ask. If there is any communication through my work then it
comes from the viewer not me.
However, I respect, taking into context the historical era in which
Rothko and others like him worked, why those artists felt they could
change the world. They painted in a city which had prospered from the
world war that had shattered their homelands. While Europe attempted to
repair their countries and to come to terms with the horrors and
atrocities of the events, the exiles who were forced to take refuge in
another continent saw it almost as a duty to challenge the events that
made America so great. I think without a doubt that Rothko and Still
believed that they could communicate their fears through art. Clearly
they failed as is evident by this discussion.
>Unless (of course) you don't think that the "fat
>businessman" or the mother with the stroller or the kid on the skateboard is
>worthy of your attention...But don't be surprised when they return the favour
>:).
>
How ridiculous - they do this all the time. If you don't have a *proper*
job you are scorned on. Art is an elitist escapade - do you think that
the average person, who eats in McDonalds or the local chippy, could
give a monkey's tutu about art ? Why do you think artists are still
treated like second rate citizens ? Do you submit your tax returns as an
artist ? have you ever tried to get insurance as an artist ?
>Here's a little story - early this summer, I was in downtown Halifax (Canada -
>not yours :) with my 9-yr. old son...He, along with a bunch of other kids were
>merrily climbing and sliding down a rather pretentious gov't sponsored "art-
>work"
That also contradicts what you said earlier. That government sponsored
art work was intended to take art to the people wasn't it ? or are you
saying that money shouldn't be spent on this ? Its ok to eat in
McDonalds and its throw away nasties but not ok to spend some money on
an aesthetic experience for the public ? Losing me here, Chris !
>there called the Wave (a big wave-like glob of grey concrete...), ignoring all
>the "Keep off" signs....I was talking to a couple of other dads, glass-
>installers
>with probably a highest eduactional level of 9th or tenth grade...
That's rather snobbish isn't it ? did you do an IQ test on them while
you chatted ??
>anyway, at one
>lull in the conversation, I opened my book, there was a picture by van Gogh...&
>I
>hear "S**t, I always loved those paintings by that guy...", followed by alot of
>questions about who he was, and what he was trying to do.... Good art can change
>the world, particularly when it brings a little beauty into it.
>
Yes, I agree with your last sentence and that is all that art is about
for me. But your argument is about communicating and I don't think that
happens to the man on the street who looks at a picture by VG. Those
folks saw paintings by an artist they knew to be great - he is acclaimed
as such and they have been instructed to believe it. They have posters
and T-shirts and tea towels to prove it and then they had you, the
*artist* to confirm his greatness. I would be interested in what you
said to them - without this instruction (or indoctrination I should say)
how would they have made the decision themselves ?
I still don't see how you think *Good* art can change the world, or what
you consider to be good art apart from Van Gogh.
>Cheers;
>
>Chris
>
Cheers back !
AAR
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>I disagree, Alison. A restauant is OK to show when you start, before you've
>been invited to show in a gallery. I guarantee you will not do it again.
>Usually the artist shows for free. People don't go to restaurants to buy
>art. You certainly won't get an art review. More artists allowing the
>stystem to exploit them. They will learn the hard way.
>Kay
The school of hard knocks eh, Kay ? Ok ! Why not. I don't agree with you
about this not going to restaurants to buy art. You don't go to fast
food restaurants to buy or look at art. But restaurants, certainly in
the UK, are an excellent place to show and sell. Remember I told you the
story of one of my artists who showed in a pub restaurant fifty miles
out of London - she usually shows at the Saatchi ? She sold two or three
thousand pounds worth of paintings ... much to my delight (remember
those five flights of stairs I had to haul them up !).
When I had my restaurant in Plymouth I showed local artists work on the
walls. One particular artist used to sell regularly - I never took a
commission and was just glad to have her work on show. Its the same in
most of the London restaurants thought most do take commission.
You know, we have had this conversation so many times about showing -
where to, where not to and how important it is at the onset of the
career to get the work out and seen. I think the problem then starts to
manifest when the value of the work increases. Suddenly the artist has
to contend with all sorts of business factors that artists aren't that
good with (normally). There is no way I would put my work anywhere it
would get damaged now - there is too much invested in it. I also would
not show anywhere without insurance or a legally binding contract. I
didn't used to give a hoot ! Happy days !
Cheers !
~Artist~
Resturants!!!!!
LOL
They are not on the net.
Cannes connection came from a picnic, whitneys from a run down
cafe in Palo Alto, Japan too ....
The net is cool for research but a real seasoned collector would never
buy art of the net never never never.
Get out of you own way...people.
Mattison
Marilyn Welch
While dining in a small cafe in the town of Whistler, BC, Canada
an international vineyard owner, noticed some paintings
on the wall above his table. He inquired about the artist,
got in touch with her and gave her a huge contract to
do a small painting for his wine labels.
You just never know.
adieu,
Marilyn
Kay
Marilyn Welch wrote in message ...
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:While dining in a small cafe in the town of Whistler, BC, Canada
Depends on the kind of art one does. Mine will not be good for wine lables,
cereal boxes or tee shirts.
Kay
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tstp
What a good collection you have. Here are my favorites: Face, with
the Moorish arch above it. Shark, Footsteps in the Snow, and the
painting Tree.
Nancy