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Charlotte L. Blackmer

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Jun 3, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/3/95
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In article <NEWTNews.80188...@kris.netmanage.com>,
Kris Olson writes:

[Originally posted to ba.singles. Newsgroups and followups altered.]

>In Article<3q4qfp$2...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, jaxun
<jari...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:
>> If you spend any time at all listening to the winds blowing
>> through our collective lives during this era of human existence,
>> you will recognize a palpable shift in their currents that,
>> at first, seems to be scattering the herd. Perhaps this dissonance
>> is a signature of a quantum shift in conciousness, precursor to
>> higher levels of resonance. Dare to trust.

>OK, I'll admit at the very outset that this sort of writing makes me
>wretch. I'll assume that Jaxun is young, and allow for youthful
>indiscretion in allowing big and/or chic words to overtake substance.
>("era of human existence" as opposed to paleolithic or whatever?!?)

I spend quite a bit of time listening to those winds and
"style over substance" is a rather common error. But to continue...

[story of how Kris and a friend came to wander into Gordon Biersch
in downtown San Jose given the ol' snipperoo]

>Well, we walked in to some very large paintings of nothing in
>particular. This is fine in theory - I'm a great admirer of
>great abstract art. But this particular collection was
>rather unattractive. This can be fine as well, if the art is
>exceptional. But unfortunately, it was just swirls. Each
>painting was one big swirl. So the paintings lacked technical
>merit, in addition to lacking beauty, meaning, individuality,
>creativity, finesse, subtlety,

I've seen 'em. I remember thinking the texture and the palettes
and the blending were all interesting. But as much as I wanted
to connect the canvas with the "meaning" or any other dimension,
I couldn't - even given the curatorial title noodge. I really
*wanted* to see the "light of healing" (etcetera) that Matti
talked about during short breaks between her campaigns to turn
ba.singles into a slimepit. I *wanted* to _see it on canvas_
as I had *not* seen it in her online behaviour. I've travelled
that road for a long, long time; I am only now starting to try
to put words (my preferred medium) around it, but I *know* I'll
know it when I see it.

But I didn't see it there.

The landscape oils (they were upstairs in the loft, you might
have missed them) were very competently done, if not particularly
original or exciting, and the two in-betweens (also upstairs)
I really quite liked.

>... in fact, the only thing they didn't lack was size. These
> things were sofa sized.

Yeah, makes all of Matti's spews at "yuppies" on ba.singles
rather funny, doesn't it? You'd *need* a Volvo wagon or a
(*GASP*) minivan to haul those things around.

I must say that I was able to connect with the images better
when I saw them in *much* smaller size in a photographic reproduction,
(they were 2" by 3", not 4' by 5'). It's the first time I remember
liking a reproduction more than the actual work.

>The phrase "motel art" popped to mind.

Although most motels don't have ceilings nearly high enough :-)

>My friend and I laughed about the paintings over lunch, and
>then on our way out, he checked to see who the artist was.
>Imagine my surprise. Mattison!

>But perhaps you saw some different paintings, Jaxun. I can only
>hope that we saw some of her lesser works. I really was hoping that
>she was a good painter, but after I saw these, my hopes were dashed.

Two of the paintings on the web page were prominently displayed
on the main wall at GB - they were the ones that I had the photos
of, and liked much better as photos.

I liked what I saw of her newer stuff on the Web, but wonder if
the same thing would happen if I saw the actual canvases.

[Speaking of art on the Web, check out "Net in Arcadia" at
http://www.parnasse.com. I really enjoyed this site.]

>I don't mean this as a slam against Mattison. I haven't read any of
>her posts in eons, and prefer to avoid her. But I've seen some
>gushing over her work, and was taken aback.

*Laugh* I'm still wondering why Jaxun didn't post this to
rec.arts.fine, where Matti has specifically asked for comments on
her virtual exhibition.

I don't mean this as an ad hom attack on Mattison either; Lord knows
I have better ways to spin my wheels. But she has asked others how
her art made them *feel*; and after viewing (and reviewing), I can
begin to express *my* feelings.

Would I feel different about the art had Matti let her Other out to play in
some other place besides ba.singles? I suppose I might. I do take a holistic
approach to such things, although I am fully aware that great art is, and
has been done by some really rotten people. I wish her luck in any case;
anyone trying to make a living from art needs it. I hope, as well, that
more aspects of her life are taken over by the VisionLight of the publicity
blurbs.

>And here it [Kris's dissenting opinion - clb] is: As an amateur art
>critic, I was surprised that she was able to convince a brewery to
>display these paintings.

No big surprise here; San Jose seems to wish to promote Downtown
as a Kulchural Destination. San Francisco casts a large shadow in
the glorious coastal light.

CLB, going back to her workroom now
---------------------------------------------------------
Charlotte L. Blackmer <<I saw the angel in the stone,
and carved to set it free - Michelangelo>> c...@rahul.net

Mattison T. FitzGerald

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Charlotte L. Blackmer (c...@rahul.net) wrote:

CLB - the fact you cant see anything in abstract art doesn't suprise me.


: The landscape oils (they were upstairs in the loft, you might

: have missed them) were very competently done, if not particularly
: original or exciting, and the two in-betweens (also upstairs)
: I really quite liked.

CLB - these pieces are awful!

One step from a card you would buy at Walgreens if I may say so.

: I must say that I was able to connect with the images better

: when I saw them in *much* smaller size in a photographic reproduction,
: (they were 2" by 3", not 4' by 5'). It's the first time I remember
: liking a reproduction more than the actual work.

I guess Walgreens is art.

Slam Mattison - CLB its you hobby -

: I don't mean this as an ad hom attack on Mattison either; Lord knows


: I have better ways to spin my wheels. But she has asked others how

Right -

: >And here it [Kris's dissenting opinion - clb] is: As an amateur art

: >critic, I was surprised that she was able to convince a brewery to
: >display these paintings.

Like I said in a previous post CLB - GB said it was one of the best shows
and their patrons even expressed sadness when the abstract works were
removed. Guess all this controversary - says something -
Press is press -

Thanks.

: the glorious coastal light.

I guess thats why your in Oakland?

Mattison
charlotte
u r wonderful
on the web


jaxaS

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Jun 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/4/95
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In article <3qopep$m...@hustle.rahul.net>, c...@rahul.net says...

>[Originally posted to ba.singles. Newsgroups and followups altered.]

>>I don't mean this as a slam against Mattison. I haven't read any of


>>her posts in eons, and prefer to avoid her. But I've seen some
>>gushing over her work, and was taken aback.

>I don't mean this as an ad hom attack on Mattison either; Lord knows


>I have better ways to spin my wheels. But she has asked others how
>her art made them *feel*; and after viewing (and reviewing), I can
>begin to express *my* feelings.

So Mattie (who claims to be a male) has been postering as a female
in the singles newsgroups. What have we here? Transvestite,
transexual, or just another nut case deceiving people? Matt or
Mattie, it's all the same non-entity.


Mattison T. FitzGerald

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:

transexual


I'm as much of one as you!
ahahahahhahahahah


Mattison

Mattison T. FitzGerald

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Mattison T. FitzGerald (mat...@netcom.com) wrote:
: jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:

: transexual

oops I mean a woman -

: Mattison


Wray Kephart

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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on 4 Jun 1995 16:45:50 GMT jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) posted:

X So Mattie (who claims to be a male) has been postering as a female
X in the singles newsgroups. What have we here? Transvestite,
X transexual, or just another nut case deceiving people? Matt or
X Mattie, it's all the same non-entity.

Attention anon.moderated: tell Jaxas: YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE: this is a
species identification confirmed.

Kephart


jaxaS

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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In article <3qtm7t$n...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, jari...@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
>
>jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
>: So Mattie (who claims to be a male)...
>
>Huh? Can you point to a post where this is stated? I never saw any claims
>like this...
>
>And which bothers you more: man posing as woman, or vice versa?

Well, it was when I took the trouble to look at he/r work on WWW and
made the mistake of commenting. I called he/r Mattie, and was promptly
corrected and told that sh/e is male. I haven't a clue and really don't give
a damn either way. It's just that when you ASK for art criticism you better
have a pretty tough hide. The only thing that bothers me is not getting
my wig on well enough to withstand those sudden winds of fate.

jaxaS -- a dead breed.


jaxun

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Jun 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/5/95
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jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: So Mattie (who claims to be a male)...

Huh? Can you point to a post where this is stated? I never saw any claims
like this...

And which bothers you more: man posing as woman, or vice versa?

-jaxun

jaxun

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: The only thing that bothers me is not getting

: my wig on well enough to withstand those sudden winds of fate.

I had velcro strips surgically adhered to my scalp. They're rated at
gusts up to 75 mph, tho my skin will prolly give way before that...

-jax(un)

Mattison T. FitzGerald

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Jun 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/6/95
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Wray Kephart (kep...@crash.cts.com) wrote:
: on 4 Jun 1995 16:45:50 GMT jaxaS (an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) posted:

: X So Mattie (who claims to be a male) has been postering as a female


: X in the singles newsgroups. What have we here? Transvestite,
: X transexual, or just another nut case deceiving people? Matt or
: X Mattie, it's all the same non-entity.

: Attention anon.moderated: tell Jaxas: YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE: this is a
: species identification confirmed.

: Kephart

Sexy isn't it?

Mattison

Charlotte L. Blackmer

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Jun 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM6/8/95
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In article <mattartD...@netcom.com>,
Mattison T. FitzGerald <mat...@netcom.com> wrote:

(whups! guess that followup-to line didn't set properly;
lines indented with > are by mat...@netcom.com
lines indented with : are by c...@rahul.net
lines indented with : > are by kr...@netmanage.com)

>CLB - the fact you cant see anything in abstract art doesn't
>suprise me.

*Laugh* Now what was it you were just saying to someone else
about "how do you think you know me"? Your preconceptions
and prejudices are showing. Planet Charlotte is definitely
not flat.

But to me and abstract expressionism. Let's take my reaction
to Pollock's "Autumn Rhythms" (an oldie but goodie). I first
thought "brown swirls on canvas - riiiight", but I kept looking.
Shortly the swirls became...autumn rhythms. I saw, smelled, felt,
heard, and tasted them, and I sorrowed for the end of the summer
and the winter coming on. My mind, senses, and spirit were engaged.
I was present, and in the work.

I could natter on about other works I've seen, but that should do.
I did see and feel glimmers of the same sort of thing in your
"Millenium", which was done after the showing I saw, with different
specific sensory reactions, of course. I'd have to see it live
or in another reproduction to confirm.

By the way, several people I know who are quite knowledgable about
abstract art had impressions similar to mine. And, no, I didn't
ask them what they thought first...

: The landscape oils (they were upstairs in the loft, you might

: have missed them) were very competently done, if not particularly
: original or exciting, and the two in-betweens (also upstairs)
: I really quite liked.

>CLB - these pieces are awful!


>One step from a card you would buy at Walgreens if I may say so.

*Laugh* I see it now...Mattison's Bargain Basement, with landscape
oils right next to the velvet Elvises. (You have repriced them, no?)
Even if one believes that RealArt (tm) is abstract, it's no shame to
have started out on representational (or less abstract) stuff.

: I must say that I was able to connect with the images better

: when I saw them in *much* smaller size in a photographic reproduction,
: (they were 2" by 3", not 4' by 5'). It's the first time I remember
: liking a reproduction more than the actual work.

>I guess Walgreens is art.

I haven't been in one for ages, so I'll leave the question of whether
the people who do the designs on the type of cards one finds in this
sort of place are indeed following a Muse for others to debate.

>Slam Mattison - CLB its you hobby -

I don't remember having mentioned you or followed one of your
posts since mid-February. If you're still carrying a grudge
over that "exchange", well, that's your hobby (and hobby-horse),
not mine. If you want to spend your energy screeching at me
rather than painting, that's your choice. I don't think it's a
particularly wise one, but it's yours to make.

A lot of what I do on the net feels like hanging out in space
and hurling light balls and other objects into the ether.
Sometimes I just have a lot of fun watching the pretty lights
and colors (whether or not I have initiated it). Frequently I
try to interact with some other object and see the sparks fly if
they collide. And sometimes I am moved to grab a laser beam,
a lightning bolt, or a Cosmic ClueBrick (tm) and aim it
at someone else. Sometimes I hurl myself into the fray ("Once
more into the breach, dear friends, once more!") with whatever is
at hand. I'm not the only person who takes this approach to USENET
performance art, and you're far from the only person who's felt
aimed at.

It doesn't always work, but it is strength to my sword arm.
There is a culture war going on in the US; I used to be
sputteringly indignant about this, but find that I am much better
able to articulate my opinions, thoughts, and feelings. (Indeed,
I usually call this a "holy war", in large part because the
Other Side seems to regard the world of the spirit as its exclusive
turf. But that, as they say, is another story.)

Your net behaviour is frequently inconsistent with the wonderful
things expressed in your artistic statement, and doesn't even come
across as a good net.schtick. (The tip-off for me is the frequent
use of "projection" - assigning your D-D-D-word to others because you
just have trouble processing it. A constant stream of "I know you are,
but what am I?" gets awfully boring.) On many different occasions,
I've issued a positively-framed challenge to bring that world into
this one. Hell, Mattison, I know some of your supporters have said
similar things to you.

Apropros of the holy war, you seem to view yourself as a shaman,
but most of your net.expression makes you come across as The Great
Oz. You have been a right royal fool to behave the way you do
with people who are (or might be) on "your" side. No excuses about
"reflecting d*sf*nct**n*l society", either; very few people want
to follow the whiner. It ain't no way to run a revolution.

I compliment you for moderating your style in this response -
I see your space for thought for ideas and views that might not
be in Perfect Agreement with yours growing wider, and your ability
to formulate a _coherent_ point of view (in writing) improving.

It's OK to not be universally adored - really it is. Work
through the fear and reach for the light.

: I don't mean this as an ad hom attack on Mattison either; Lord knows


: I have better ways to spin my wheels. But she has asked others how

>Right -

Oh, I rather imagined that you would interpret it as such. But
unlike many of the other net.ostriches I occasionally cross swords
with, you actually seem to be evolving. The time that you spent
away from your keyboard (with its temptation to visit ba.singles and
spew) and actually getting out - or staying in - and doing stuff
seems to have turned at least some of that energy in positive
directions. Keep pushing through. Instant hyper-reaction (you
responded to this only a couple of hours after I posted it) is not
the way.

: >And here it [Kris's dissenting opinion - clb] is: As an amateur art

: >critic, I was surprised that she was able to convince a brewery to
: >display these paintings.

>Like I said in a previous post CLB - GB said it was one of the best

>shows and their patrons even expressed sadness when the abstract
>works were removed.

*Laugh* I think I only had one half-pint, since I was driving;
should I have had more?

But really, I'm not surprised that my reactions don't fall in
lockstep with the GBSJ SuitAndPowerTrouserWearing clientele.
I'm plenty okay with that. I'm glad for you that some of them liked
your stuff.

(That was Kris' post you were quoting there, btw. I didn't say that.)

>Guess all this controversary - says something -

What controversy? I'm stating my opinions, feelings,
and reactions - from my mind, heart, and soul. (Maybe what
it's saying is "There is no HiveMind".)

>Press is press -

*Laugh* Shall I send the archives along to your curators?
They'd be great testimony to the depth of healing, wouldn't they?

Flame destroys - it also refines. Working through fear and more
is a continuous process. I'm constantly amazed at what keeps coming
up after I think I've dealt with it.

>Thanks.

Namaste.

(two palms together and a bow)

: the glorious coastal light.

>I guess thats why your in Oakland?

West Berkeley by way of the Central Valley, SF, and Oakland.

Frequently while walking through SF, Oakland, and Berkeley, I
am struck by the quality of the light. Something clicks and
I feel as though I'm in the middle of a Vermeer, bathed in light,
glorious light, that has shape, smell, taste, and texture.

I saw it more when I lived in SF because I walked a hell of a lot
more, but Berkeley (and Oakland) are achingly beautiful in a
slightly different way. Same light, though, spreading everywhere.
It's like honey, or a perfect ripe peach. Maybe that's why so many
artists live here. It certainly inspires me.

>charlotte
>u r wonderful
>on the web

Mostly off it, since my own page is under construction. And if
I had a dollar for each time someone made that reference, I'd
be able to retire 8^)

Shanti and shalom.

CLB, head still in the clouds, feet still on the earth
------------------------------------------------------------
Between the conception/And the creation/Between the emotion/
And the response/Falls the Shadow -- T. S. Eliot
Charlotte L. Blackmer c...@rahul.net

Mattison T. FitzGerald

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Charlotte L. Blackmer (c...@rahul.net) wrote:
: In article <mattartD...@netcom.com>,

: >Right -

: >Press is press -

: >Thanks.

: Namaste.

: : the glorious coastal light.

: Shanti and shalom.

getting 2 u - eh?

little stressed out - CLB?

Mattison
ahahahahhahahh....


Wray Kephart

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on Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:11:03 GMT Mattison T. FitzGerald (mat...@netcom.com) posted:
X Charlotte L. Blackmer (c...@rahul.net) wrote:

X : Your net behaviour is frequently inconsistent with the wonderful
X : things expressed in your artistic statement, and doesn't even come
X : across as a good net.schtick. (The tip-off for me is the frequent
X : use of "projection" - assigning your D-D-D-word to others because you
X : just have trouble processing it. A constant stream of "I know you are,
X : but what am I?" gets awfully boring.) On many different occasions,
X : I've issued a positively-framed challenge to bring that world into
X : this one. Hell, Mattison, I know some of your supporters have said
X : similar things to you.

X : Apropros of the holy war, you seem to view yourself as a shaman,
X : but most of your net.expression makes you come across as The Great
X : Oz. You have been a right royal fool to behave the way you do
X : with people who are (or might be) on "your" side. No excuses about
X : "reflecting d*sf*nct**n*l society", either; very few people want
X : to follow the whiner. It ain't no way to run a revolution.

X : I compliment you for moderating your style in this response -
X : I see your space for thought for ideas and views that might not
X : be in Perfect Agreement with yours growing wider, and your ability
X : to formulate a _coherent_ point of view (in writing) improving.

X : It's OK to not be universally adored - really it is. Work
X : through the fear and reach for the light.

X : : I don't mean this as an ad hom attack on Mattison either; Lord knows
X : : I have better ways to spin my wheels. But she has asked others how

X : >Right -

X : Oh, I rather imagined that you would interpret it as such. But
X : unlike many of the other net.ostriches I occasionally cross swords
X : with, you actually seem to be evolving. The time that you spent
X : away from your keyboard (with its temptation to visit ba.singles and
X : spew) and actually getting out - or staying in - and doing stuff
X : seems to have turned at least some of that energy in positive
X : directions. Keep pushing through. Instant hyper-reaction (you
X : responded to this only a couple of hours after I posted it) is not
X : the way.

X : : >And here it [Kris's dissenting opinion - clb] is: As an amateur art
X : : >critic, I was surprised that she was able to convince a brewery to
X : : >display these paintings.

X : >Like I said in a previous post CLB - GB said it was one of the best
X : >shows and their patrons even expressed sadness when the abstract
X : >works were removed.

X : *Laugh* I think I only had one half-pint, since I was driving;
X : should I have had more?

X : But really, I'm not surprised that my reactions don't fall in
X : lockstep with the GBSJ SuitAndPowerTrouserWearing clientele.
X : I'm plenty okay with that. I'm glad for you that some of them liked
X : your stuff.

X : (That was Kris' post you were quoting there, btw. I didn't say that.)

X : >Guess all this controversary - says something -
X : In article <mattartD...@netcom.com>,
X : Mattison T. FitzGerald <mat...@netcom.com> wrote:

X : (whups! guess that followup-to line didn't set properly;
X : lines indented with > are by mat...@netcom.com
X : lines indented with : are by c...@rahul.net
X : lines indented with : > are by kr...@netmanage.com)

X : >CLB - the fact you cant see anything in abstract art doesn't
X : >suprise me.

X : *Laugh* Now what was it you were just saying to someone else
X : about "how do you think you know me"? Your preconceptions
X : and prejudices are showing. Planet Charlotte is definitely
X : not flat.

X : But to me and abstract expressionism. Let's take my reaction
X : to Pollock's "Autumn Rhythms" (an oldie but goodie). I first
X : thought "brown swirls on canvas - riiiight", but I kept looking.
X : Shortly the swirls became...autumn rhythms. I saw, smelled, felt,
X : heard, and tasted them, and I sorrowed for the end of the summer
X : and the winter coming on. My mind, senses, and spirit were engaged.
X : I was present, and in the work.

X : I could natter on about other works I've seen, but that should do.
X : I did see and feel glimmers of the same sort of thing in your
X : "Millenium", which was done after the showing I saw, with different
X : specific sensory reactions, of course. I'd have to see it live
X : or in another reproduction to confirm.

X : By the way, several people I know who are quite knowledgable about
X : abstract art had impressions similar to mine. And, no, I didn't
X : ask them what they thought first...

X : : The landscape oils (they were upstairs in the loft, you might
X : : have missed them) were very competently done, if not particularly
X : : original or exciting, and the two in-betweens (also upstairs)
X : : I really quite liked.

X : >CLB - these pieces are awful!
X : >One step from a card you would buy at Walgreens if I may say so.

X : *Laugh* I see it now...Mattison's Bargain Basement, with landscape
X : oils right next to the velvet Elvises. (You have repriced them, no?)
X : Even if one believes that RealArt (tm) is abstract, it's no shame to
X : have started out on representational (or less abstract) stuff.

X : : I must say that I was able to connect with the images better
X : : when I saw them in *much* smaller size in a photographic reproduction,
X : : (they were 2" by 3", not 4' by 5'). It's the first time I remember
X : : liking a reproduction more than the actual work.

X : >I guess Walgreens is art.

X : I haven't been in one for ages, so I'll leave the question of whether
X : the people who do the designs on the type of cards one finds in this
X : sort of place are indeed following a Muse for others to debate.

X : >Slam Mattison - CLB its you hobby -

X : I don't remember having mentioned you or followed one of your
X : posts since mid-February. If you're still carrying a grudge
X : over that "exchange", well, that's your hobby (and hobby-horse),
X : not mine. If you want to spend your energy screeching at me
X : rather than painting, that's your choice. I don't think it's a
X : particularly wise one, but it's yours to make.

X : A lot of what I do on the net feels like hanging out in space
X : and hurling light balls and other objects into the ether.
X : Sometimes I just have a lot of fun watching the pretty lights
X : and colors (whether or not I have initiated it). Frequently I
X : try to interact with some other object and see the sparks fly if
X : they collide. And sometimes I am moved to grab a laser beam,
X : a lightning bolt, or a Cosmic ClueBrick (tm) and aim it
X : at someone else. Sometimes I hurl myself into the fray ("Once
X : more into the breach, dear friends, once more!") with whatever is
X : at hand. I'm not the only person who takes this approach to USENET
X : performance art, and you're far from the only person who's felt
X : aimed at.

X : It doesn't always work, but it is strength to my sword arm.
X : There is a culture war going on in the US; I used to be
X : sputteringly indignant about this, but find that I am much better
X : able to articulate my opinions, thoughts, and feelings. (Indeed,
X : I usually call this a "holy war", in large part because the
X : Other Side seems to regard the world of the spirit as its exclusive
X : turf. But that, as they say, is another story.)
X : In article <mattartD...@netcom.com>,
X : Mattison T. FitzGerald <mat...@netcom.com> wrote:

X : (whups! guess that followup-to line didn't set properly;
X : lines indented with > are by mat...@netcom.com
X : lines indented with : are by c...@rahul.net
X : lines indented with : > are by kr...@netmanage.com)

X : >CLB - the fact you cant see anything in abstract art doesn't
X : >suprise me.

X : *Laugh* Now what was it you were just saying to someone else
X : about "how do you think you know me"? Your preconceptions
X : and prejudices are showing. Planet Charlotte is definitely
X : not flat.

X : But to me and abstract expressionism. Let's take my reaction
X : to Pollock's "Autumn Rhythms" (an oldie but goodie). I first
X : thought "brown swirls on canvas - riiiight", but I kept looking.
X : Shortly the swirls became...autumn rhythms. I saw, smelled, felt,
X : heard, and tasted them, and I sorrowed for the end of the summer
X : and the winter coming on. My mind, senses, and spirit were engaged.
X : I was present, and in the work.

X : I could natter on about other works I've seen, but that should do.
X : I did see and feel glimmers of the same sort of thing in your
X : "Millenium", which was done after the showing I saw, with different
X : specific sensory reactions, of course. I'd have to see it live
X : or in another reproduction to confirm.

X : By the way, several people I know who are quite knowledgable about
X : abstract art had impressions similar to mine. And, no, I didn't
X : ask them what they thought first...

X : : The landscape oils (they were upstairs in the loft, you might
X : : have missed them) were very competently done, if not particularly
X : : original or exciting, and the two in-betweens (also upstairs)
X : : I really quite liked.

X : >CLB - these pieces are awful!
X : >One step from a card you would buy at Walgreens if I may say so.

X : *Laugh* I see it now...Mattison's Bargain Basement, with landscape
X : oils right next to the velvet Elvises. (You have repriced them, no?)
X : Even if one believes that RealArt (tm) is abstract, it's no shame to
X : have started out on representational (or less abstract) stuff.

X : : I must say that I was able to connect with the images better
X : : when I saw them in *much* smaller size in a photographic reproduction,
X : : (they were 2" by 3", not 4' by 5'). It's the first time I remember
X : : liking a reproduction more than the actual work.

X : >I guess Walgreens is art.

X : I haven't been in one for ages, so I'll leave the question of whether
X : the people who do the designs on the type of cards one finds in this
X : sort of place are indeed following a Muse for others to debate.

X : >Slam Mattison - CLB its you hobby -

X : I don't remember having mentioned you or followed one of your
X : posts since mid-February. If you're still carrying a grudge
X : over that "exchange", well, that's your hobby (and hobby-horse),
X : not mine. If you want to spend your energy screeching at me
X : rather than painting, that's your choice. I don't think it's a
X : particularly wise one, but it's yours to make.

X : A lot of what I do on the net feels like hanging out in space
X : and hurling light balls and other objects into the ether.
X : Sometimes I just have a lot of fun watching the pretty lights
X : and colors (whether or not I have initiated it). Frequently I
X : try to interact with some other object and see the sparks fly if
X : they collide. And sometimes I am moved to grab a laser beam,
X : a lightning bolt, or a Cosmic ClueBrick (tm) and aim it
X : at someone else. Sometimes I hurl myself into the fray ("Once
X : more into the breach, dear friends, once more!") with whatever is
X : at hand. I'm not the only person who takes this approach to USENET
X : performance art, and you're far from the only person who's felt
X : aimed at.

X : It doesn't always work, but it is strength to my sword arm.
X : There is a culture war going on in the US; I used to be
X : sputteringly indignant about this, but find that I am much better
X : able to articulate my opinions, thoughts, and feelings. (Indeed,
X : I usually call this a "holy war", in large part because the
X : Other Side seems to regard the world of the spirit as its exclusive
X : turf. But that, as they say, is another story.)

X : What controversy? I'm stating my opinions, feelings,
X : and reactions - from my mind, heart, and soul. (Maybe what
X : it's saying is "There is no HiveMind".)

X : >Press is press -

X : *Laugh* Shall I send the archives along to your curators?
X : They'd be great testimony to the depth of healing, wouldn't they?

X : Flame destroys - it also refines. Working through fear and more
X : is a continuous process. I'm constantly amazed at what keeps coming
X : up after I think I've dealt with it.

X : >Thanks.

X : Namaste.

X : (two palms together and a bow)

X : : the glorious coastal light.

X : >I guess thats why your in Oakland?

X : West Berkeley by way of the Central Valley, SF, and Oakland.

X : Frequently while walking through SF, Oakland, and Berkeley, I
X : am struck by the quality of the light. Something clicks and
X : I feel as though I'm in the middle of a Vermeer, bathed in light,
X : glorious light, that has shape, smell, taste, and texture.

X : I saw it more when I lived in SF because I walked a hell of a lot
X : more, but Berkeley (and Oakland) are achingly beautiful in a
X : slightly different way. Same light, though, spreading everywhere.
X : It's like honey, or a perfect ripe peach. Maybe that's why so many
X : artists live here. It certainly inspires me.

X : >charlotte
X : >u r wonderful
X : >on the web

X : Mostly off it, since my own page is under construction. And if
X : I had a dollar for each time someone made that reference, I'd
X : be able to retire 8^)

X : Shanti and shalom.

X : CLB, head still in the clouds, feet still on the earth
X : ------------------------------------------------------------
X : Between the conception/And the creation/Between the emotion/
X : And the response/Falls the Shadow -- T. S. Eliot
X : Charlotte L. Blackmer c...@rahul.net

X getting 2 u - eh?

X little stressed out - CLB?

I thought is was proper novel length; taking submissions? Points were
buried, thought it might have been a self diagnosis <personal> but saw
no gain in public posting except a good discription of malingering doubt
un-clarified.

Kephart

William Smith

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>I thought is was proper novel length; taking submissions? Points were
buried, thought it might have been a self diagnosis <personal> but saw
no gain in public posting except a good discription of malingering doubt
un-clarified.

Kephart<
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What in the hell are you talking about??


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CAT

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In article <4046573469...@designlink.com> William Smith,

gree...@designlink.com writes:
>What in the hell are you talking about??

An attempt at ArtSpeak? Someone must have slipped zomething in her/his
Zima.

CAT

TexMexTamale

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In article <3rbo8t$v...@lucy.infi.net>, cat...@nc5.infi.net says...

OR too much time spent in contemplation of Absolut Vodka ads, while
well reinforced by the bottle's contents.
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Mattison T. FitzGerald

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Wray Kephart (kep...@crash.cts.com) wrote:
: on Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:11:03 GMT Mattison T. FitzGerald (mat...@netcom.com) posted:

: X : >Right -

: X : >Thanks.

: X : Namaste.

: X : Shanti and shalom.

: Kephart

you mean BS of the green ? and we are not talking the Irish -

the wray of light --

best laugh I had all week -

Mattison
ahahahahahhhahahhahahahahahahahahhahaahhahahahah..u know the rest

Kevin J. O'Conner

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Was it really necessary to quote the entire message?

Kevin J. O'Conner d.b.a. Tinty Music
P.O. Box 85363 Seattle, WA 98145-1363
vox: (206) 632-9369 fax/modem: (206) 545-2868
e-mail: tntm...@halcyon.com k.oc...@genie.geis.com
zzs3...@pcvan.or.jp.
Check out the Tinty Music band page on IUMA!
http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/band_html/Tinty_Music.html

Bob Becker - The World's Leading Authority

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Is it really necessary to have such a long .sig file?


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* The Noodle *
* One Really Amazing Food *
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* "It shore eats good!" *
* Jack "Wheels" Clampett, Trucker *
* Flora's Diner *
* June 3, 1948 - Enid, OK *
* After tasting a noodle *
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* "What that? Look like white worm." *
* Ho Ming, Upon Inventing the Noodle *
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Kevin J. O'Conner (tntm...@halcyon.com) wrote:
: Was it really necessary to quote the entire message?

: Kevin J. O'Conner d.b.a. Tinty Music
: P.O. Box 85363 Seattle, WA 98145-1363
: vox: (206) 632-9369 fax/modem: (206) 545-2868
: e-mail: tntm...@halcyon.com k.oc...@genie.geis.com
: zzs3...@pcvan.or.jp.
: Check out the Tinty Music band page on IUMA!
: http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/band_html/Tinty_Music.html

Wow. I count 6 different ways (not counting posting) to get in touch
with this fellow. Definitely necessary, though, as the bright flame
of his wit and his startling insight (as evidenced by the scintillant
rhetoric of his post) are going to be tying up all those communication
avenues. Better set my terminal up to autodial!

And, at 7 different ways of getting information *out*, that's one
method per line, which has certainly got me beat. The only problem
I have with this .signature, really, is that it doesn't show me where
Perth is.
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Stephen Beitzel
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Wray Kephart

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on 10 Jun 1995 13:13:07 GMT TexMexTamale (h...@crash.cts.com) posted:
X In article <3rbo8t$v...@lucy.infi.net>, cat...@nc5.infi.net says...
X >
X >In article <4046573469...@designlink.com> William Smith,
X >gree...@designlink.com writes:
X >>What in the hell are you talking about??
X >
X >An attempt at ArtSpeak? Someone must have slipped zomething in her/his
X >Zima.

X OR too much time spent in contemplation of Absolut Vodka ads, while
X well reinforced by the bottle's contents.

Not a fan of Sacchi and Sacchi advertisers, or this client of theirs;
I take it that youve occupied the space youve discribed, what did you
pay for ad space and was the absolut a 'benni'?

Kephart


daniel brockman

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In article <3qsnvu$4...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> an...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (jaxaS) writes:
>In article <3qopep$m...@hustle.rahul.net>, c...@rahul.net says...
>
>>[Originally posted to ba.singles. Newsgroups and followups altered.]
>
>>>I don't mean this as a slam against Mattison. I haven't read any of
>
>>I don't mean this as an ad hom attack on Mattison either; Lord knows
>
>So Mattie (who claims to be a male) has been postering as a female
>in the singles newsgroups. What have we here? Transvestite,
>transexual, or just another nut case deceiving people? Matt or
>Mattie, it's all the same non-entity.
>


A menage a trois all by him/her/itself.
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