Bouguereau still the most popular
Richard
He was the most popular artist when he was alive, and he still is
today. I have seen his artwork on various posters and other kinds of
merchandise at Home Depot, a sidewalk framed art poster sale, and
Michaels (a craft store). That's three different places, where you
have a wide variety of people coming through. There was not one piece
of shit by Picasshole in the bunch. I didn't see any modern art other
than a few Van Goghs and a few impressionist works. This further backs
up my belief that the general populace knows modern art is crap and
doesn't want it in their homes. I think modern art appeals to those
who reject mainstream tastes because they are stupid enough to believe
that this is enough to make their own tastes superior, i.e. simply by
being different from the masses. These stupid people don't realize
that modern art is nothing but a money-making scam and they are the
rubes.
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Tina Mammoser
Why do you think ART buyers are going to Home Depot, poster sales and
Michael's? I really don't understand. When I buy art I go to galleries
and artist studios and other places where there is original art.
People who appreciate ART buy ART, not posters.
Tina.
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Chris
not art? That's rather like saying one shouldn't read Tolstoy in
translation. Or do art buyers only buy contemporary works? Guess I better
throw out all my Bach CD's, the old guy died a long time ago. And get my
Picasso off the wall while I'm at it.
"Tina Mammoser" <ti...@tina-m.com> wrote in message
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> One question Richard:
>
> Why do you think ART buyers are going to Home Depot, poster sales and
> Michael's? I really don't understand. When I buy art I go to galleries
> and artist studios and other places where there is original art.
>
I think the operative word in the above is probably "I" - when "I" do this,
"I" buy that.. Hmmm Not much room for other viewpoints, is there? Guess
it's all part of being of the "Me" generation....
Chris
Neil Maxwell
wrote:
>He was the most popular artist when he was alive, and he still is
>today. I have seen his artwork on various posters and other kinds of
>merchandise at Home Depot, a sidewalk framed art poster sale, and
>Michaels (a craft store).
Well, that certainly proves it! I think Walt Disney might have some
advantage on him, though, because I see his art even more places.
>This further backs
>up my belief that the general populace knows modern art is crap and
>doesn't want it in their homes.
And if the general populace doesn't like it, it can't be any good, eh?
I've got a lot of CDs and books I need to burn, I guess. And here I
thought I liked them! I should spend more time watching TV, since
that's so popular.
>I think modern art appeals to those
>who reject mainstream tastes because they are stupid enough to believe
>that this is enough to make their own tastes superior, i.e. simply by
>being different from the masses. These stupid people don't realize
>that modern art is nothing but a money-making scam and they are the
>rubes.
Would you also be kind enough to tell us how to raise our kids, what
religion to follow, and which politicians to vote for?
It's great that someone knows everything and saves the rest of us from
having to think about it. Now I can focus on consuming vast
quantities of mass-produced items.
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
G*rd*n
Richard <cool_a...@z.com>:
| >This further backs
| >up my belief that the general populace knows modern art is crap and
| >doesn't want it in their homes.
neil.m...@nospam.intel.com (Neil Maxwell):
| And if the general populace doesn't like it, it can't be any good, eh?
| I've got a lot of CDs and books I need to burn, I guess. And here I
| thought I liked them! I should spend more time watching TV, since
| that's so popular.
| ...
It may be that Picasso and Matisse are no longer modern, but
the word is often used that way. As it happens, a large show
of their works at the Tate sold out all the advance tickets
long before the show closed. The museum hours were extended,
finally to 24 hours a day. A total of 500,000 people went to
the show.
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Mani Deli
wrote:
>Why do you think ART buyers are going to Home Depot, poster sales and
>Michael's?
Because they don't want to spend big money on the artwork they like..
>I really don't understand. When I buy art I go to galleries
>and artist studios and other places where there is original art.
Its because most galleries sell crap at high prices. Why pay a lot for
stuff that you can find for free in art school garbage cans? True, you
won't get a big name art gallery song and dance there.
>People who appreciate ART buy ART, not posters.
>Tina.
>
People who buy posters do so because they like them. Anything wrong
with that? Art is a personal decision.
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Mani Deli
>It may be that Picasso and Matisse are no longer modern, but
>the word is often used that way. As it happens, a large show
>of their works at the Tate sold out all the advance tickets
>long before the show closed. The museum hours were extended,
>finally to 24 hours a day. A total of 500,000 people went to
>the show.
The last Bouguereau show in the 1980's was packed wherever it went. It
was panned by critics and had little publicity. The Modern Art
establishment has to avoid that because it might just make people
wonder about what they have been told about 19th century art. So far
they can't avoid hanging Bouguereau and other fine 19th century work
because of their popularity..
The Modern Art crowd avoids what's popular. Very few Poster stores
sell Picasso and Matisse. I believe that is true because most people
don't particularly like them.
John Ng
> It may be that Picasso and Matisse are no longer modern, but
> the word is often used that way. As it happens, a large show
> of their works at the Tate sold out all the advance tickets
> long before the show closed. The museum hours were extended,
> finally to 24 hours a day. A total of 500,000 people went to
> the show.
The problem is that not because they are good that their shows are
sold out. People want to see well publicized icons, no matter what
they are or how they like it... such as Princess Diana. With the
amount of publicity given to these mediocre artists, I am not
surprised at the turn out. If Bouguereau had been given the amount of
publicity as the competition, I would be surprised the turn out wasn't
tripled. We would never know.
John Ng
Tina Mammoser
Chris wrote:
> Are you saying that because something has been translated to a poster it's
> not art?
No. And my response was not about the art, but about Richard's research
methods.
> That's rather like saying one shouldn't read Tolstoy in
> translation. Or do art buyers only buy contemporary works?
No, they buy all types and genres. Again, I wasn't commenting on style or
genre and what it's subjective quality or value might be. My advice is that
Richard investigate true art buyers is relevent no matter what type of art he
wants to create. I'm trying to help him - he could be very successful. Part of
success is learning marketing skills. Marketing includes relevent research of
your potential buyers. I'm assuming he doesn't want to sell posters all his
life. If he doesn't want to sell to people on a "poster" budget then he needs
to find out where people with the higher disposable incomes go to buy art.
Tina.
G*rd*n
|
| > It may be that Picasso and Matisse are no longer modern, but
| > the word is often used that way. As it happens, a large show
| > of their works at the Tate sold out all the advance tickets
| > long before the show closed. The museum hours were extended,
| > finally to 24 hours a day. A total of 500,000 people went to
| > the show.
pigsm...@hotmail.com (John Ng):
| The problem is that not because they are good that their shows are
| sold out. People want to see well publicized icons, no matter what
| they are or how they like it... such as Princess Diana. With the
| amount of publicity given to these mediocre artists, I am not
| surprised at the turn out. If Bouguereau had been given the amount of
| publicity as the competition, I would be surprised the turn out wasn't
| tripled. We would never know.
Someone says that Picasso and Matisse are no longer popular
because, of course, they're Bad. So I give empirical evidence
to the contrary. Now you say they _are_ popular _because_
they're Bad. Well, your quarrel isn't with me, is it?
Richard
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:11:38 +0000, Tina Mammoser <ti...@tina-m.com>
wrote:
>
>One question Richard:
>
>Why do you think ART buyers are going to Home Depot, poster sales and
>Michael's? I really don't understand. When I buy art I go to galleries
>and artist studios and other places where there is original art.
>
>People who appreciate ART buy ART, not posters.
>Tina.
Your comment is really assbackwards, showing you can't even think.
People who just want ART buy POSTERS and other inexpensive things!!!
People who buy original art are usually buying it because the painter
is famous to some extent. They are just buying the SIGNATURE!!!
Go to Ebay and you'll see this is true.
Richard
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:04:34 +0000, Tina Mammoser <ti...@tina-m.com>
wrote:
>
>No, they buy all types and genres. Again, I wasn't commenting on style or
>genre and what it's subjective quality or value might be. My advice is that
>Richard investigate true art buyers is relevent no matter what type of art he
>wants to create. I'm trying to help him - he could be very successful. Part of
>success is learning marketing skills. Marketing includes relevent research of
>your potential buyers. I'm assuming he doesn't want to sell posters all his
>life. If he doesn't want to sell to people on a "poster" budget then he needs
>to find out where people with the higher disposable incomes go to buy art.
>
>Tina.
If I can sell thousands of prints of one of my paintings I can
probably make more money than by selling one original work of art.
And besides, rich people wouldn't buy any of my stuff unless I'm
already famous. They just want art for the signature. But to sell
posters to the masses, all I have to do is make a good piece of art
that a lot of people like.
Richard
I'm sure a Bouguereau exhibit would get many more people if he were
publicized as much as picasshole the greedy swindler.
Tina Mammoser
Richard wrote:
>
> If I can sell thousands of prints of one of my paintings I can
> probably make more money than by selling one original work of art.
It can be a nice tidy earner but not riches really. Our artists in our publishing
company get about Ł4-10 per print for giclees which are far more expensive than
posters and limited to editions of 100 - so the most they make from one painting
would be Ł400-Ł1000. The originals sell for more than that typically. Licensing
for posters you'll probably get less - maybe 5% royalties or something if you're
lucky. Keep in mind that there is one reason older art is seen on more posters -
it's cheaper for the manufacturer. No fees to pay the artist. Whereas producing
something like a Rothko poster would require payment to the Rothko estate. Art is
still in copyright for 70 years after the artists death. You might like to look
into reproduction prints - they can be a good way to get small regular income.
Problem is that better known artists still sell better. It's like a vicious
circle. :( Also look into stock libraries for art and photography - these are
another licensing option that might suit you. If you grab a copy of the Artist's
Handbook 2002 you'll find lots of leads. (It might be called the Artist and
Writer's Market (or Handbook) in the US? Can't remember.)
G*rd*n
| >> It may be that Picasso and Matisse are no longer modern, but
| >> the word is often used that way. As it happens, a large show
| >> of their works at the Tate sold out all the advance tickets
| >> long before the show closed. The museum hours were extended,
| >> finally to 24 hours a day. A total of 500,000 people went to
| >> the show.
pigsm...@hotmail.com (John Ng) wrote:
| >The problem is that not because they are good that their shows are
| >sold out. People want to see well publicized icons, no matter what
| >they are or how they like it... such as Princess Diana. With the
| >amount of publicity given to these mediocre artists, I am not
| >surprised at the turn out. If Bouguereau had been given the amount of
| >publicity as the competition, I would be surprised the turn out wasn't
| >tripled. We would never know.
Richard <cool_a...@z.com>:
| I'm sure a Bouguereau exhibit would get many more people if he were
| publicized as much as picasshole the greedy swindler.
So now you're saying that Picasso and Matisse _are_ more
popular than Bouguereau, at least with the kind of people
who are interested enough to move their butts down to the
museum? This is getting confusing. I thought the theory
was that nobody liked their stuff any more.
G*rd*n
| > So now you're saying that Picasso and Matisse _are_ more
| > popular than Bouguereau, at least with the kind of people
| > who are interested enough to move their butts down to the
| > museum? This is getting confusing. I thought the theory
| > was that nobody liked their stuff any more.
danf...@yahoo.com(Dan Fox):
| Gordon - I *think* they are saying that:
|
| 1. Picasso and Matisse are terrible painters and should have died like dogs
| in the street.
|
| 2. Bougereau is a wonderful painter and qualifies for sainthood.
|
| 3. P and M get tons of publicity because of an art-world conspiracy to
| promote their work and make millions from gullible collectors.
|
| 4. Boog gets no publicity because he has been blacklisted by the
| conspiracy. (Why they have done this when Boog's work has far more appeal
| to the great unwashed - and would therefore translate into huge bucks if
| publicized - isn't clear.)
|
| I know that Mani believes in a conspiracy because he says so. Don't know
| about the others.
I was just curious about the empirical part. I don't doubt
that there's a certain amount of "conspiracy", a certain
amount of fashion and one might say delusion as well, in the
tastes of collectors, curators, and gallery proprietors, but
obviously it's not the whole story, and as you say there's
no reason (in the conspiracy theory) why Boug couldn't benefit
from it just as do the usual suspects.
Actually, I believe Boug was trotted out for a revival about
ten years ago, didn't fly, and has been put away until another
favorable season. Maybe it's like graffiti art; it might need
a certain time and space, a certain cultural moment, in which
to thrive, and exposed to the cold gray light of contemporary
urban commerce and the competition of slick plastic neon
lizards, it withers. Or it may be that someday people will
suddenly want ravished Psyche over the couch after all. You
never know.
| By the way - I see that you live in NYC - run, don't walk, to the Avedon
| show at the Met, if you haven't already seen it. It's unbelievable.
Is it crowded? I prefer to go to shows everyone else hates.
I was dismayed to find out how popular Hopper had become.
The last Hopper show I saw was stuffed -- you couldn't see
anything but expensive clothing. I'm sure they were all
from Greenwich, Connecticut.
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That's why the United States has an electoral college.
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