2 questions
Regiment's Hobby Shop
Question #1..
I read recently that Robert Hughs is producing a new series for PBS on
American Art. I haven't seen any advertisements for it or any news on
the show dates...Did I miss it? Is it coming up? Anyone know what I'm
talking about, or am I just babbling to myself again?
Question #2...
Is TV ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art?
There was a fear when photography was invented that it would obsolete
painting. It did wipe away the need for cheap portraiture and painting
for the sake of keeping a record, but painting as a part of the wider
culture adapted. Now I'm wondering if one of the reasons painting as art
seems (I'm not sure how to phrase this..)a less important, less widely
followed area,... peripheral....is it's lack of exposure on television.
Television doesn't do much for promoting or showing 2D art. The TV
screen can't show the subtle parts of a painting and the medium needs
movement and sound. I've seen concerts, operas, film, even shows on
scultpture and kinetic art, but can't remember the last time I saw
something, anything, about a 2D artist, living or dead, and his works.
I take that back, I saw a Bio on Michelangelo, that's the only one I can
recall.
Maybe painting's lack of exposure in the mass media is a result of wider
cultural trend. Art's and Crafts fairs advertise and get free publiciity
in the newspapers, museums and private galleries don't seem to get the
same exposure for their paintings. My daughter's school has yearly trips
to concerts and plays, but not to one art museum. Is lack of public
interest in serious art part of the dumbing down of mass culture? or the
result of elitist attitudes by artists and art establishment? or is it an
Amercian phenomenon?
AT
ryan masuga
Regiment's Hobby Shop wrote:
>
> Question #1..
> I read recently that Robert Hughs is producing a new series for PBS on
> American Art. I haven't seen any advertisements for it or any news on
> the show dates...Did I miss it? Is it coming up? Anyone know what I'm
> talking about, or am I just babbling to myself again?
I believe last (month's? quarter's?) issue of Modern Painters had an article on
Hughes and that it mentioned something about the series. Each issue is $12 or
some outrageous amount and I believe they're from Britian.
>
> Question #2...
> Is TV ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art?
> Maybe painting's lack of exposure in the mass media is a result of wider
> cultural trend.
Thank goodness Painting gets little or no exposure on TV. Again I say, THANK
GOODNESS!
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ryan masuga
n U y S c A
~~~~~~~~~~~
"...a bird is one egg's way of
becoming other eggs."
- Alan Watts
Regiment's Hobby Shop
>> Question #1..
>> I read recently that Robert Hughs is producing a new series for PBS on
>> American Art. I haven't seen any advertisements for it or any news on
>> the show dates...Did I miss it? Is it coming up? Anyone know what I'm
>> talking about, or am I just babbling to myself again?
>
>I believe last (month's? quarter's?) issue of Modern Painters had an article on
>Hughes and that it mentioned something about the series. Each issue is $12 or
>some outrageous amount and I believe they're from Britian.
>>
Yes, that's where I saw the article, but I didn't notice a play date for
the series. Personally I like Modern Painters, I get a good chuckle over
it. That particular issue had more articles about art critics than it
did on painters, modern or otherwise. They should rename it Modern
Critics Quarterly, a Journal of Contemporary Self-Congratulation....
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>> Question #2...
>> Is TV ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art?
>> Maybe painting's lack of exposure in the mass media is a result of wider
>> cultural trend.
>
>Thank goodness Painting gets little or no exposure on TV. Again I say, THANK
>GOODNESS!
>
>--
>ryan masuga
>n U y S c A
>~~~~~~~~~~~
>"...a bird is one egg's way of
> becoming other eggs."
> - Alan Watts
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Oh my goodness! do you really mean that? TV is the *only* contacted with
the wider world some people have. Which means if they don't see it on The
Tube it doesn't exist. Yes, I know that's a sorry state to be in, but
that's the reality of modern life... and so if art is not exposed on
television, then art is missing from the lives of those people. Degas
painted for the elite because to him only the elite mattered. He was a
great painter, but had a lousy attitude IMHO. When art is created for,
and consumed be tiny, incestuous audiences then the result is decadent
or dead...Or the magazine Modern Painters, take your pick.
AT
ryan masuga
I wrote:
> >Thank goodness Painting gets little or no exposure on TV. Again I say, THANK
> >GOODNESS!
You wrote:
> Oh my goodness! do you really mean that? TV is the *only* contacted with
> the wider world some people have. Which means if they don't see it on The
> Tube it doesn't exist. Yes, I know that's a sorry state to be in, but
> that's the reality of modern life... and so if art is not exposed on
> television, then art is missing from the lives of those people. Degas
> painted for the elite because to him only the elite mattered. He was a
> great painter, but had a lousy attitude IMHO. When art is created for,
> and consumed be tiny, incestuous audiences then the result is decadent
> or dead...Or the magazine Modern Painters, take your pick.
If TV is the only contact those people have with the wider world, then I'm telling
you, those are the type of people that don't give a RIP about art. Television IS
art to those backwoods folk, and THAT is a sorry state to be in. Can you
IMAGINE how skewed any TV reportage would be on artistic subjects? If it's
anything like that OJ scheisse than I certainly want no part of it. I tried watching
TV the other day...and honestly could not sit there for more than 10 minutes.
Degas had a realistic view about the production of art. The history of art itself
is elitist. All art is elitist, if it's not, it probably sucks. Elite people have time
and money to burn - they purchase art. Your average blue-collar clock-puncher
doesn't have the education, time, or money to waste on what some guy is
creating out of melted crayons and tin foil in a drafty old loft. Art is almost
ALWAYS "created for, and consumed be tiny, incestuous audiences." It is
esoteric, and personally I like it that way. If it weren't it might look like TV. Or
kittens with yarn balls...or Bob Ross.
Vance Maverick
In article <5d57s3$3...@news.n-link.com> Regiment's Hobby Shop <game...@n-link.com> writes:
> Is TV ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art?
> Television doesn't do much for promoting or showing 2D art. [...]
> I've seen concerts, operas, film, even shows on scultpture and
> kinetic art, but can't remember the last time I saw something,
> anything, about a 2D artist, living or dead, and his works. I take
> that back, I saw a Bio on Michelangelo, that's the only one I can
> recall.
In the Bay Area, PBS has recently shown a substantial piece on
Cezanne, numerous episodes of the irritating Sister Wendy [?] on her
tour of European museums, a program on the Hermitage, and a series of
"Charlie Rose" programs in which he interviews scholars and museum
officials in front of exhibits, e.g. the big Vermeer show. I'm sure
I'm forgetting something.
Vance
PS. The late De Kooning show, which started at the San Francisco
MoMA, made all the evening news programs.
Charles Eicher
In article <x6urait...@deodar.CS.Berkeley.EDU>, Vance Maverick
<mave...@cs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
Yeah, not only that, the Monet and Degas shows got major coverage on
several networks (don't the blockbuster shows always get star treatment?) I
even saw a 15 minute segment on the Caillebotte show on the "CBS Sunday
Morning" show (which, BTW, does excellent arts coverage, showing painting
frequently) and that was by NO means a blockbuster show.. The CBS Sun.
Morning show even did an extended segment about a show on midwestern
regionalist painting, created by a local curator I took some classes with
at my University. Here on the local PBS station, "Art of the Western World"
has been re-running continuously for about 5 years. On Cable, A&E runs
quite a few shows on painting, I was rather surprised to turn A&E on this
afternoon, and watch a show on the Kama Sutra and erotic paintings,
narrated by Leonard Nimoy, no less! It was quite explicit, as far as TV
arts documentaries go.. Well, I suppose it WAS on cable..
As to whether 'TV is ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art".. well, I do
want to point out that NHK, the Japanese national TV network, paid for the
entire costs of restoration of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling, on
the one contractual provision that they would have exclusive rights to
produce a TV documentary upon its completion.
| Charles Eicher |
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Richfield
comment 1: TV is the media of the masses, the general public. After years
of struggling, I've all but given up on the general public. If painting
were, by some freak of popular culture, to become popular through mass
media, disney would surely make a feature length animated musical about it
and mcdonalds would give away injected plastic interpretations of Cy
Twombly that wind up and spin around the table.
Comment 2: I honestly believe that some things are best left to be
discovered on ones own--in the surroundings they were meant to be
experienced in. It makes it more lasting that way. I don't think lasting
effects on peoples lives come from the tube--at least I hope not, I could
be wrong.
Regiment's Hobby Shop
To all who replied...Thanks for the comments on my "2 questions" post. I
can see that my perception of a lack of art commentary on TV is only a
problem I have with living out in the sticks. Ah well...I'll just have
to fret less about what I'm missing and paint more.
AT
Michael Gerard Maranda
In article <ceicher-ya0230800...@news.inav.net>,
Charles Eicher <cei...@inav.net> wrote:
>
>As to whether 'TV is ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art".. well, I do
>want to point out that NHK, the Japanese national TV network, paid for the
>entire costs of restoration of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling, on
>the one contractual provision that they would have exclusive rights to
>produce a TV documentary upon its completion.
>
>
As far as I understand it, they received not only exclusive rights on a
documentary but exclusive rights to reproductions for a set number of years.
Seeing there is now a perceived need to replace all the slides of the
ceiling in slide libraries across the world, as well as any of the
reproduction fees in published books (unless one wants to use the older
'dirty' images and thus look out of date) then this could help offset some
of the costs of the restoration in the first place.
mm
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vincent bilotta
Question #1..
I read recently that Robert Hughs is producing a new series for PBS on
American Art. I haven't seen any advertisements for it or any news on
the show dates...Did I miss it? Is it coming up? Anyone know what I'm
talking about, or am I just babbling to myself again?
Robert Hughes is the art critic for Time Magizine,part of Time Warner
CNN, cable, etc. book publishing. outfits like this can justify projects
by doing the book, the video and the movie.
Question #2...
Is TV ignoring, and thereby starving, 2D art?
if any art is dependant on TV for nutrition, it's already dead.
as soon as congress ends the NEA or at least stops funding solipistic,
egocentric, fringe work, and commits to art that serves a broad
population, TV or whatever medium replaces it can support educating and
promoting the arts.
vincent