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Niall

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Dec 2, 2002, 8:38:43 AM12/2/02
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D'ya like my punchy attention grabbing header!?
(Good advice from John the Red ;-)

Anyway..

I am an amateur painter
with no art education whatsoever.

Is it possible for me to succeed
doing my abstracts.

I work on a "I like the way it looks" system
Is the art world always more complex than that

If I was to exhibit and when asked "what does this painting represent"
And I reply "nothing, i just like it" Am I liable to be riduculed and
ignored
...but on the other hand...
If I was to lie and say "its my troubled past" would I get more merit

Dont get me wrong, I am not shunning art education,
I am likely to do classes when finances & time constraints allow
but was just curious as to the extent of elitism in the art world

Can someone succeed solely on the merit of the work
and not the merit of their education and who they know

Ciao

Niall


John Desanta

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Dec 2, 2002, 7:46:57 PM12/2/02
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The art world supposes that some hidden knowledge exists that defines
the boundaries between good art and bad art. When, in fact, market
forces really determine everything. Work on your insincerity and
intellectual dishonesty and you'll get a lot further than admitting
that your aesthetic choices are entirely based on personal whims.
After reading any major works of art criticism you should be able to
see that there is only art history - there is not even a possibility
for art criticism since everything in art is entirely based on
personal aesthetic preferences. No one has the ability to say what is
good or bad. And anyone who tries is just promoting themselves as
being knowledgeable about that nonexistent boundary between good and
bad art. But for the sake of your own art career it's worth reading
some art criticism so you have some "intellectual justifications" for
your own art, in case anyone asks about your artistic choices. Rather
than saying "I just like it", which is obvious, you would do better to
say something like you've been working on "vertical color" or
"exploring a transition away from planar dialogues". Read any article
by Sue Taylor in "Art In America" for examples of extraordinary
critical drivel which you can easily co-opt for your own uses. Good
luck.

Richard

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Dec 2, 2002, 8:12:03 PM12/2/02
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On 2 Dec 2002 16:46:57 -0800, john_d...@yahoo.com (John Desanta)
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>The art world supposes that some hidden knowledge exists that defines
>the boundaries between good art and bad art. When, in fact, market
>forces really determine everything. Work on your insincerity and
>intellectual dishonesty and you'll get a lot further than admitting
>that your aesthetic choices are entirely based on personal whims.

That is so true. It's definitely not for me though.
I've always been intellectually honest in general.

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Peter H.M. Brooks

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Dec 2, 2002, 8:32:54 PM12/2/02
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> On 2 Dec 2002 16:46:57 -0800, john_d...@yahoo.com (John Desanta)
> wrote:
>
> >The art world supposes that some hidden knowledge exists that defines
> >the boundaries between good art and bad art. When, in fact, market
> >forces really determine everything. Work on your insincerity and
> >intellectual dishonesty and you'll get a lot further than admitting
> >that your aesthetic choices are entirely based on personal whims.
>
> That is so true. It's definitely not for me though.
> I've always been intellectually honest in general.
>
By that do you mean you have been intellectually dishonest in particular?


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stdo

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Dec 10, 2002, 11:33:12 AM12/10/02
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art is a representation of yourself, say something with it about yourself,
or things real or imagined in youre life.
been an paid artist since I was seven years of age and am now 39. people
like the unusual or things thay can relate with, or the visually exciting
such as bright colors!

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