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mdeli
hung in Clement Greenberg's office. A carefull look at the map in
Vermeer's "The Artist's Studio" reveals a touch of Pollock. It is
obvious to any Modern academic that Vermeer had to add all that
detailed kitsch surrounding this map in order to get a decent price
out of his philistine patrons.
Canaletteo actualy wanted to paint his skys with black schmiery
clouds in order to anticipate Kline but was prevented by the Venetian
senate.
Leonardo never understood that the whole is greater than the sum of
its parts so he just wallowed in kitschy detail. Although he
anticipated "Picasso's "Mother and child" he never got any futher
toward honest modernism.
Strangley, that artistic criminal Bouguereau did a bit of AE in his
backgrounds and even his forground detail. Had he not wasted his
talents on the rest of the paintings he might even have been
considered honest.
And then there is the detail in Van Huysam's flowers etc.
None of these guys could really freely express themselves. Perhaps it
was because booze was expensive in those days and nobody spoke
Artspeak."
(Abstract Depressionism Appreciation Alliance)
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john cheall
ever heard of Outsider Art?
john cheall
>An excellent magazine devoted to outsider art, art brut, and folk art is
Raw Vision (132 Amsterdam Avenue #203, NYC 10028). I have issue #34, Spring
2001 on hand. It features an article discussing art by schizophrenics,
psychotics, and other severely mentally ill people. It is a lavishly
produced, large format magazine (12 bucks per issue) but worth it if you
have an interest in the subject.<
There was an exhibition of outsider art in our local gallery. To me it
seemed less characterised by mental illness than by originality, honesty,
lack of the traditional materials and access to art education. Almost the
art of the disposessed and the poor rather than the meantally ill.
Would Van Gogh qualify?
Gale Force
>
>Hey Dan,
>
>Speaking of toxins.
>Didn't Van Gogh drink turpentine at one point just before the fight with
>Gaugin
I'm not Dan and I'm not pretending to
answer for him - but wasn't it absynthe
that Van Gogh is supposed to have
imbibed too much of? Greeks drink
the equivalent of turpentine (IMO) -
they call it 'retsina.' And look what
the Greeks accomplished in the art world!
john cheall
See Kirk Douglas in Lust for Life
Gale Force
>Yeah, I think the definition of outsider art is generally self-taught, but
>a lot of shows seem to focus on homeless, mentally ill, etc. There are some
>terrific unconventional artists out there; it's a shame they have to be
>marginalized with that label.
I equate "outsider" with "naive."
In the USA, Grandma Moses seems to epitomize
what is meant by "naive" and someone like
Jacob Lawrence the "outsider." But is Lawrence
any less naive than Moses? Granted, their
art is very different but both have the
same qualities of unique vision that
seems to be the defining element.
Dale Ford
Dale
Marilyn wrote:
> Hey Dan,
>
> Speaking of toxins.
> Didn't Van Gogh drink turpentine at one point just before the fight with
> Gaugin.
> I've often wondered how much that contributed to his mental deterioration.
> Certainly his early letters reveal a rational intelligent mind.
>
> "Outsider Art" may have different colloquial meanings. I believe in L.A. for
> example it refers to self-taught, outside the establishment artists.
>
> Marilyn
>
> Dan Fox wrote:
>
> > John -
> >
> > Of course most outsider art is not produced by the mentally ill, but the
> > poor and disposessed as you point out. It seemed to me that you were
> > referring to Mani's art as outsider art (a very interesting thought!), thus
> > my reference to the mentally ill.
> >
> > A friend of mine creates beautiful, commercially oriented abstract
> > paintings and makes a six-figure income doing so. He is completely
> > self-taught, and thus technically qualifies as an outsider artist! (don't
> > you hate these labels? emerging artist is another silly one - a euphemism
> > for unknown artist....)
> >
> > Van Gogh? Well, the biographies state that his mental illness was episodic
> > - that he painted in between seizures, when he was mentally sound. He knew
> > exactly what he was doing, carefully planned his work, and dreaded when the
> > next seizure would arrive. Interestingly, the article I referred to in Raw
> > Vision provides work by an artist who became psychotic, then recovered.
> > There are examples of his work before psychosis, during, and after. The
> > work he created during psychosis was very distinctive and distorted, while
> > the before and after work was competent realism.
> >
> > >
> > > There was an exhibition of outsider art in our local gallery. To me it
> > > seemed less characterised by mental illness than by originality, honesty,
> > > lack of the traditional materials and access to art education. Almost the
> > > art of the disposessed and the poor rather than the meantally ill.
> > >
> > > Would Van Gogh qualify?
> >
> > --
> > Dan
> >
> > 'The self, violent and constant, is the subject of all art.' - Barnett
> > Newman http://www.danfoxart.com
Dale Ford
errrr.......problems.
:-) Dale
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