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Bernard Victor

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Oct 29, 2002, 11:00:53 AM10/29/02
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Has anyone had any experience with water soluble oils as sold by W&N.
How do they compare with Acrylics.

Any comments would be welcome.

Andrew D

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Oct 29, 2002, 8:14:52 PM10/29/02
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In article <b61tru4oha9v8ove7...@4ax.com>, Bernard Victor
<bvi...@HotPOP.com> wrote:

+Has anyone had any experience with water soluble oils as sold by W&N.
+How do they compare with Acrylics.

They don't. They are very different and if you like the idea of being able
to work your paint for longer periods then they are superior. I switched
from acrylics to water soluble oils around three years ago and haven't
looked back. In fact, I slowly drifted from water-oils to traditional oils
which are better still - for me.

Water soluble oils can supposedly be mixed with acrylic or with other oils
(not at the same time). They are more workable than acrylics but stiffer
than traditional oils. Some brands seem stiffer than others. I found
cleaning brushes to be a chore - but then, the same applies with acrylic.

I started with ultramarine blue, alizarin and lemon yellow plus white and
played around for a while. It didn't take me long to see I was going to
enjoy oil more than acrylic and I bought four or five more colours to
complete my palette. After a year or so I bought a tube of titanium white
in traditional oils and this made painting more enjoyable still but of
course meant cleaning up with solvent instead of water. These days I use
traditional oils with no turps or meduium added (which keeps the smell
down) and wash my brushes in white sprits kept in a separate area.

There is a good looking book around dedicated solely to water-soluble oils.

Andy D.

"I'm a great speller - but a hopless tpyist!"

Gary Morrow

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Oct 30, 2002, 5:14:51 AM10/30/02
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"Andrew D" <right@the_end.of.my_tether> wrote in message
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> In article <b61tru4oha9v8ove7...@4ax.com>, Bernard Victor
> <bvi...@HotPOP.com> wrote:
>
> +Has anyone had any experience with water soluble oils as sold by W&N.
> +How do they compare with Acrylics.

Water soluble oils get a bit of stick from the traditionalists but I've been
using water solubles for a little over a year now. Acrylics dried too fast
for my liking and I didn't like working with traditional oil paints due to
having to use solvents. Whilst they are a bit stiffer than normal oil paint
they are still perfectly workable.Water soluble mediums are also available
e.g. linseed oil which I find easy to work with. Be warned though - you have
to be very thorough cleaning your brushes or they'll be ruined pretty
quickly.

All in all I would recommend them. My only gripe is that W&N don't produce
an artists quality range of water-soluble oil paints.

Gary


keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com

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Oct 30, 2002, 11:56:29 AM10/30/02
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I find the comments interesting . I used to work in oil but my wife has a
reaction to the smell. When I did work in oil I used retouch varnish on the
dried areas so that when I applied the fresh paint I could make referential
colour judgements. Have you used retouch varnish with water soluble oils?
Are you locked into one colour manufacturer because they use different
incompatible binder formulas?

keith

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Andrew D

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Oct 31, 2002, 12:37:02 AM10/31/02
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In article <1bUv9.119433$Q3S....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
"keith o'connor (tinmangallery.com" <scot...@rogers.com> wrote:

+I find the comments interesting . I used to work in oil but my wife has a
+reaction to the smell. When I did work in oil I used retouch varnish on the
+dried areas so that when I applied the fresh paint I could make referential
+colour judgements. Have you used retouch varnish with water soluble oils?
+Are you locked into one colour manufacturer because they use different
+incompatible binder formulas?

W/based oils are "fully compatible" with regular oils so retouch varnish
shouldn't pose a problem.

My understanding is that the base oil (linseed/safflower) has been
modified by removing the one component that repels water (oil is made up
of around 17 parts/fractions I'm told). Other than that, they are
supposedly no different to traditional oils.

I used to use W&N with Talens "H2OIL" and later with Art Spectrum
traditional oils with no noticable problems..... yet.

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