Re: Mind Art Pencil Drawings!
Bill
hesitate to ask the same question I asked earlier, which was not
answered: Why would anyone wish to hang a picture on his wall showing
images of severed fingers, disembodied heads, or grotesqe skulls ?
Isn't there enough ugliness in the world without creating still more ?
Regards, Bill
imaginativepencil
that is perhaps a little more interesting that the boring perception of
eality you seem to have. Let me guess, your the authority on whats ugly
and beautiful. And quite frankly, if you think Justins art is ugly, you
got some serious problems. The art in question you are referring to is
"Anatomy" art, therefore its going to have veins, bones, etc. Do u
realize that the inside of your body is made up of various anatomical
parts that you seem to perceive as ugle. Try looking at the entire body
of work, not just the anatomy work. Your continuing to make a fool of
yourself. You probbaly didnt even look at the entire work..you just
shot things from your tongue.
Thanks
Michael Retla
Bill
Michael, I am not here to do you or anyone else a favor. I am here
to satisfy my OWN needs. Nor do I wish to remain silent in the face of
what I believe to be an effort to push sophomoric, third rate junk on
the public. You would be amazed at the grief I have avoided and the
benefits I have enjoyed by asking simple straight forward questions
about things people were desperately hoping would remain out of sight
and never mentioned. The emperor is sometimes finely dressed. At other
times he is stark naked. Sorry if I tend to ask questions when the
dangly parts are visible.
> Let me guess, your the authority on whats ugly
>Your continuing to make a fool of yourself.
I'm not a stickler for perfect grammatical structure Michael but
why should I pay attention to someone who hasn't taken the trouble to
learn the English language? Yes, someone is indeed making a fool of
themselves. I invite you to guess again as to who that person might
be.
>And quite frankly, if you think Justins art is ugly, you
>got some serious problems. The art in question you are >referring to is "Anatomy" art,
Forgetting your crude diction, who's anatomy are you referring to
? Not that of human beings. The images I see are of twisted,
distorted, tortured "things" which evoke only pity, disgust and
revulsion. That may be EXACTLY what the artist had in mind, but I ask
again: why would anyone wish to hang that on his/her walls ?
>Do u realize that the inside of your body is made up of various >anatomical parts that you seem to perceive as ugle.
Yes, eye realize that, Michael. (pun intended). And I think that
the inside of the body is exactly where they belong. Not twisted into
nightmarish distortions and hanging on my wall. Unless you can
convince me otherwise, which so far, you have been unable or unwilling
to do.
> Try looking at the entire body
>of work, not just the anatomy work.
Take away the body parts and there's not much left, Michael. Chess
pieces may be intended to suggest advanced psychological and analytical
capabilities on the part of the artist. To me they suggest
only......... chess pieces. Colorfully done, but just chess pieces.
As for the body of the work: All of us, if we live long enough may
experience some rather dreadful horrors. And we work- hard sometimes -
to put them behind us. If we're lucky we succeed, If not - that way
lies madness. Those horrors and that madness may enthrall the artist
and make them bearable by treating them as cartoons. This is only my
opinion, and others may disagree, but I am not enthralled.
Have a nice day, Bill
in...@imaginativepencil.com
that is. I guess google moderators have a thing for negativity.
Bill, last time i deal with you on this level.
Are u familiar with Klimt, Picasso, Dali,...........
All of these artist, who by the way, are now the talk of the art world
in one way or the other because they achieved a household fame using
nightmarish scenes that came from their own experiences and dreams.
Life is not all flowers and angels, it is a melding of both evil and
good. if you really took the time to study Justins art at
http://www.imaginativepencil.com/pencil-art-gallery.html you would find
some rather highly positive and spiritual works of art. Beauty is in
the eye of the beholder and im certainly not here to convince everyone
to love his work. Quite the contrary. I am here to show a body of work
that i feel will eventually be convincing explorations into our
realities and the tter truth of our existence. See, the problem i have
is trying to explain the surreal symbolisms and deep hidden meanings
behind the simple chess pieces and "gorish" twisted compositions that
actually reflect many past styles of art and artists. Unfortunately,
many will not get it while some may actually enter through the door and
have the courage and patience to actualy study the works for longer
than a mere 5 minutes then throw a tirade of reasons why not to hang
the works of art on their dar walls of close-mindedness. I understand
the turmoil the world is in and how its effecting the psychology of
many of us internally, but to discard art that challenges and even
"twists" reality slightly to search for truths is mere cowardliness.
Bill, i just think your nagry at something and in turn, your mind has
closed many doors of possibility that make your perception rather grey.
Thanks for your response. I respect everyones opinion.
Michael Retla
Bill
<in...@imaginativepencil.com> wrote in message
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> First: Its interesting i cant delete this thread..LOL. I wonder why
> that is. I guess google moderators have a thing for negativity.
Or maybe they have a thing for honest discussion, reasonable disagreement
And a proclivity for revealing both sides of an argument.
> Bill, last time i deal with you on this level.
What a shame. Yet I understand perfectly why you might wish to back
away from your defense of uglyness in art. Is there some OTHER level on
which you'd prefer dealing with this matter ? Or have you recognized that
the further you wander into the fever swamps of liberalism, and the more the
public realizes where you're coming from, the less public support you have.
> Are u familiar with Klimt, Picasso, Dali,...........
Yes, and Im also familiar with bubonic plague, leprositic ulcers and
cancerous metastisis. But being familiar with them does not mean approval
or applause. Nor does it suggest I should take anyone seriously who holds
them up as shining examples of good healthy human development. Nor does it
mean we should memorilaize them on canvas and display them on my walls.
> All of these artist, who by the way, are now the talk of the art world in
one way or the other because they achieved a >household fame using >
nightmarish scenes that came from their own experiences and dreams.
Would you care to parse that sentence ? Think subject, predicate
and object ! And after that, please try to understand that being the talk
of ANY world says nothing about the merit of the case. Notoriety is not
fame. If they or anyone else has nightmares they may get my sympathy but
not my money. Yes, we may slow down to view an 18 wheeler that thas flipped
over on the interstate but viewing it by the thousands says nothing about
our approval or disapproval . Numbers do not give validity to art. If the
majority were right the majority would be rich and famous.
> Life is not all flowers and angels, it is a melding of both evil and >
good.
Yes, but what is your argument for bringing pictures of evil to the
art world ?. We have places for dealing with the evils of the world.
They're called courts, hospitals, mental institutions, morgues,
cemetaries, medical texts, history books etc. Why do you believe they
belong in the art world ? And that we should embrace them ? Or buy them ?
Or hang them on our walls ?
> if you really took the time to study Justins art at
> http://www.imaginativepencil.com/pencil-art-gallery.html you would find
> some rather highly positive and spiritual works of art.
I'd also find some of his work that comes close to, if not crosses the
line into - pornography.
>I am here to show a body of work that i feel will eventually be convincing
explorations into our
> realities and the tter truth of our existence... Beauty is in the eye of
the beholder and im certainly not here to convince >everyone to love his
work. Quite the contrary. I am here to show a body of work that i feel will
eventually be >convincing .explorations into our realities and the tter
truth of our existence
No. Beauty is NOT merely in the eye of the beholder. Your point seems to be
"Well, its ALL a part of LIFE, so naturally we ALL should be interested in
THAT, Right ?. My point is that vomit and disentery are both a part of
life too. But we should not wallow in it but try to avoid it as much as
possible.
>. See, the problem i have is trying to explain the surreal symbolisms and
deep hidden meanings behind the simple chess >pieces and "gorish" twisted
compositions that actually reflect many past styles of art and artists.
See, I the conviction I have here is that human intestines have NO deep,
hidden meanings beyond my disgust and revulsion. And that past (or present)
styles of art and artists depicting them are not worth serious
consideration. And chess pieces are merely chess pieces. The argument that
other people have done it is empty and pointless. And if you see that as
cowardliness, I don't. I see it as common sense.
Have a nice day Michael. Bill