Looking for Special Paper
Blah
Do you guys know where I could obtain 70lb, 72lb, and/or 80lb parchment
paper in white and different colors?
NightMist
Parchment or parchment paper?
The real deal or the fake just looks like it stuff?
I know you just said parchment paper, but with this particular
question I have learned to always ask for clarification.
Barbara
asks with vellum too.
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Blah
Both, I like to keep my options open..
NightMist
>
>NightMist wrote:
>> On 1 May 2005 13:56:25 -0700, "Blah" <cids...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >Do you guys know where I could obtain 70lb, 72lb, and/or 80lb
>parchment
>> >paper in white and different colors?
>> >
>> Parchment or parchment paper?
>>
>> The real deal or the fake just looks like it stuff?
>
>Both, I like to keep my options open..
>
Bear in mind that weight is not a traditional concern with parchment,
so often it is not included in the information about parchment paper.
I think I might have seen it used, but more often you find light,
medium, and heavy as descriptors.
Just about anyplace that sells calligraphy and bookbinding supplies
will have assorted grades and weights of parchment paper.
Genuine parchment is a little bit more difficult to find, but it is in
use with bookbinders, and many churches use it to reproduce decaying
manuscripts that were originally on actual parchment or in the
creation of particular items used in worship. Genuine parchment is
also the prefered thing for the bit of scripture that goes into the
mezzuzah (sp) in Jewish households. So various religious supply shops
are sometimes a decent source. It is also frequently found in
various magical supply shops at rather extreme prices. Magic, not
prestidigitation, Crowley not Copperfield.
That being said...
Parchment paper, sometimes listed as "genuine vegetable parchment",
can be found at damn near any non-specialized art store. We are
talking the decent grade stuff of course, not the available in the
stationary section of any department store stuff. Online: Dick
Blick, Jerry's, Curry's, most of them have it.
Genuine parchment is a bit more challenging so here are some direct
links:
http://www.bookmakerscatalog.com/catalog/leather/vellum.htm
http://www.talas-nyc.com/products/leathers_vellums.cfm
http://www.augustinespiritualgoods.com/occult_supplies_page.htm
(middle of the page or thereabouts)
That should at least get you started.
Oh, and in art and bookbinding, where you find genuine vellum you will
also likely find genuine parchment. I believe Paul may be able to
help me here, but is not the difference between the two that parchment
is made from split skins and vellum from whole? Therefore if you want
it heavier and softer you go for vellum, and if you want it lighter
and harder you get parchment.
My husband just reminded me that many drum heads are also made of
genuine parchment. I don't know what use that is to anybody except a
drummer, but there you go.
Barbara
Paul Mesken
wrote:
> I believe Paul may be able to
>help me here, but is not the difference between the two that parchment
>is made from split skins and vellum from whole?
I'm not a parchment expert by any stretch of the imagination but
parchment is indeed made from split skins and vellum is the whole
thing.
I see that different colors are wanted. Cennino Cennini's "Il Libro
dell' Arte" ("The Craftman's Handbook") contains a method to tint
parchment in chapter 16. Basically, it works with dry pigments and
size.
NightMist
wrote:
Yeah, but if you slip into the Milanesi, you find "Colors for Use on
Parchment" (CLXI).
"It is true that you may use on parchment any of the colors which you
use on panel; but they must be ground very fine. It is likewise true
that there are certain colors which have no body, known as [p. 102]
clothlets, and they are made in every color; and it is only necessary
to take a bit of this clothlet, of any color it may be dyed or
colored, put it into a little glazed dish, or into a drinking c p; put
in some gum; and it is ready for use.
There is also a color made of brazil boiled with lye and rock alum;
and then, when it is cold, it is ground with quicklime, and makes a
very lovely pink, and develops a little body. [p. 103] "
A modern anecdotal verification comes in the most recent issue of
"American Artist", which has an artical about a lady that does
botanical paintings in watercolor on vellum. Watercolor being naught
but pigment and gum when you get down to it.
I've never done artworks on genuine parchment, though I have had cause
to draw and write on it. Old fashioned India ink does not work near
so well as the more modern lac based inks, glair seems fine, and the
leafing holds up well. This based on running to look at the talisman
over the door, which has been hanging there uncovered for some years.
It also has some dragon's blood dissolved in alchohol used as ink on
it, and that has held up well too.