Looking for Ralle'
tsci...@my-deja.com
He/she has had artwork featured on the cover of the now defunct OMNI
magazine. He/she paints surrealistic or "fantastic" art.
Thanks.
Tony
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mdeli
As far as I can determine Deja News only lists messages that are
written with them. This was not the policy of the past. If this is the
case many here are reading only a portion of the toal that is written
here.
Please check this out and tell me if I am wrong. Perhaps someone here
knows what's happening.
...no skill no art
Modern Academic Art is incompetence in search of an idea.
Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page!
Thomas Ziorjen
Mani! Let me be the first to welcome you back! It's been *ages*!
You disappeared just before I launched my online portfolio, and I was *so* disappointed, cause I just *knew* you were going to
hate my work... but I think I fall between the cracks as far as you're concerned... I can clearly draw, but you'll hate my
work anyway! Call me perverse, but I was looking forward to the ways you were going to find to dismiss it.
--
Thomas
online portfolio:
http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~sn3222
Peter H.M. Brooks
Thomas Ziorjen <thomas_...@sunshine.net> wrote in message
news:3A60079C...@sunshine.net...
> mdeli wrote:
> I just *knew* you were going to
> hate my work
>
spiteful.
--
A car that will not go is not a car at all. - Birkett
Karsales (Harrow) Lts. v. Wallis 1956
Chris
All the messages seem to be listed ok; part of the problem may be that
you posted the message below as a reply to the "Looking for Ralle" post,
rather than as a new post, so it will be archived by Deja in that
thread, rather than starting a new topic.
Also - if you aren't posting directly to Deja-news, it can take awhile
for your message to percolate through the internet & Deja's servers
before showing up there.
Cheers;
Chris
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mdeli
wrote:
>Hi Mani;
>
>All the messages seem to be listed ok; part of the problem may be that
>you posted the message below as a reply to the "Looking for Ralle" post,
>rather than as a new post, so it will be archived by Deja in that
>thread, rather than starting a new topic.
>
Thanks. The messages seem to have returned. For a time I couldn't find
any of my messages there. Some others also complained about this. I
guess they fixed things.
Thanks, MD
br...@wralaw.com
hug...@interlog.com (mdeli) wrote:
> I noticed that none of my messages are quoted in Deja news.
>
> As far as I can determine Deja News only lists messages that are
> written with them. This was not the policy of the past. If this is the
> case many here are reading only a portion of the toal that is written
> here.
>
> Please check this out and tell me if I am wrong. Perhaps someone here
> knows what's happening.
> ...no skill no art
>
> Modern Academic Art is incompetence in search of an idea.
I thought you fell off the face of the planet,.
I have!
>
> Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page!
>
> http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/
>
mdeli
books. Even these didn't help much.
Had Picasso really wished to improve he would have enrolled in the
Famous Artist's Course. But I doubt that they would have accepted him
on the basis of his drawing.
Anyway why should he have borthered? He was rich beyond believe and
also stingy beyond belief. He would have never shelled out the money.
Richard Budig
Have you really researched this. Some of his drawings are exquisite.
One of Picasso's routines was to make a very lovely drawing, and then do
it over and over, each time leaving out more and more, striving for the
least amount of information that would still convey his original idea.
He once drew one of his "minimal" cariciture/portraits of Gertrude
Stein, and when he presented it to her, she said, "This doesn't look like
me," to which Picasso replied, "It will." Don't flush an artist until
you know a little about him/her.
Guerdis
> you know a little about him/her.
Don't bother trying to tell him this. Norman Rockwell is his personal
messiah.
Hutto
" "
Picasso you would find that his drawings and paintings when a young man are
absolutely second to none. Unfortunately he didn't get famous, or rich,
from these but from his groundbreaking later works. You may not like them
very much, I generally dont, but to say he had no skill is terribly wrong.
His only problem, as I see it, is that he got bored. He could do anything
he wanted, knew he would be the best at it, and simply got
bored..............thats the problem with genius.
"mdeli" <hug...@interlog.com> wrote in message
news:3a74945b...@news.psi.ca...
Jiri Borsky
> If you researched
> Picasso you would find that his drawings and paintings when a young man are
> absolutely second to none. Unfortunately he didn't get famous, or rich,
> from these but from his groundbreaking later works. You may not like them
> very much, I generally dont, but to say he had no skill is terribly wrong.
> His only problem, as I see it, is that he got bored. He could do anything
> he wanted, knew he would be the best at it, and simply got
> bored..............thats the problem with genius.
I see very little evidence of boredom in Pablo Picasso's output. Rather invention, invention,
invention.
Of course, we are usually presented with the "pick of the best" by curators of exhibitions, and
authors of monographs.
You may have evidence to the contrary, but I was led to belive that the fire in his belly kept
glowing pretty well right up to his old age. Allegedly, even the last of his several wives had to
keep a store of fresh canvases handy, otherwise he would, when the urge took him, overpaint already
completed pieces = revenue lost.
My position on Mani Deli:
I would have rejoiced to read his posts 25 years ago, when I was subject to indoctrination by Modern
Academism at art school. Some of his views are still valid, and I do agree to a degree. But times
move on and present new follies of fashion.
To fight them is Quichotesque.
There do exist vibrant streams of art based on continuity with the tradition: skill, craftsmanship,
pride in not cutting corners, walking the extra mile. They are quite well nourished and sought
after by private collectors.
They may not receive media attention.
Is it surprising? If you were in charge of a camera crew, or a journalist and a photographer, where
would you direct them:
(a) show based on continuity with the tradition: skill, craftsmanship, pride in not cutting corners,
walking the extra mile.
(b) show based on controversy. Nudity. Bare bums and tits.
Jiri Borsky, in talkative mode
mdeli
>My position on Mani Deli:
>I would have rejoiced to read his posts 25 years ago, when I was subject to indoctrination by Modern
>Academism at art school. Some of his views are still valid, and I do agree to a degree. But times
>move on and present new follies of fashion.
I have certainly addressed those here.
>To fight them is Quichotesque.
-but to criticize them is fun,
>
>There do exist vibrant streams of art based on continuity with the tradition: skill, craftsmanship,
>pride in not cutting corners, walking the extra mile. They are quite well nourished and sought
>after by private collectors. They may not receive media attention.
Using skill and craftsmanship is not necessarily "continuity with the
tradition." That is something pertaining to subject matter. I find
repeats of 19th century boring although I respect this sort of work if
it is well done even though I can't find a reason to repeat the past
in this sense. However hardly any fine work done today would be
mistaken for work of the past.
Peter Brooks wrote:
>I think that Mdeli is overly concerned with technique. Certainly if technique gets in the way of the aesthetic communication, it is a block to fine art.
This is an interesting point which my critics often bring up. I have
answered it many times but most take no notice. I repeat.
The reason I bring up skill and technique so often is that I find it
completely lacking in most Modern Academic Art. I feel that if this
basic quality is absent from artwork it is inferior artwork. Today
this sort of work enjoys the label of "masterpiece" and I have used
this forum to state my objections.
Skill and technique is the foundation on which fine work must stand.
It is a beginning, a format for ones ideas. Sure, no ideas no art. But
ideas expressed without skill and technique are of little interest to
viewers when fashions pass.
Indeed, I also believe that the vast majority of MAA contains almost
nothing in the realm of ideas, that it is produced and marketed by
charlatans and needs a steady stream of Artspeak in order to even have
the public take notice and I have given examples to support my
beliefs.
Just note how often the mere statement "No skill no art" makes some
here go ballistic.
Remember my detractors here are raving about masterpieces produced by
those they imagine are geniuses whose work they equate with the
masterpieces of the past. When I disagree with them they call me
bitter, etc, and in the extreme believe that I am somehow associated
with Hitler. The get irritated when I answer in kind and wish to hear
nothing but compliments when their work is a failure. Its fun and
reminds me of my adventures in art school.
Alphonsus
and making good sense. said from the point of view of a journalist
(retired)
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