Where are all the art groups?
gwen_...@cybergal.com
discussion here. I have also seen quite a few very interesting web pages from
artists - and I would like to see lots more. I am puzzled by the newsgroups.
Why are there no newsgroups discussing painting or drawing (apart from this
one)? Looking at all the groups on computers, science, games, hobbies and
the rest there seems to be very little on art.
If there were an equal number of art groups we would have things like:
rec.arts.painting.oil
rec.arts.painting.acrylic
rec.arts.painting.exhibitions
rec.arts.painting.competitions
rec.arts.painting.watercolour
rec.arts.painting.pastel
rec.arts.drawing.landscape
rec.arts.drawing.portrait
rec.arts.drawing.figure
rec.arts.artists.old-masters
rec.arts.artists.modern
rec.arts.artists.chat
Those are just a few ideas! Where are all these groups! I am sure that lots
of people would like to be able to chat about, say, experiences in pen and
ink, or problems with perspective, or what to say when people come up and
look at you working....
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Gwen Jones
There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
Jan Morris - The matter of Wales, E
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tlo...@cci-29palms.com
Hi Gwen, Actually there's probably hundreds of such sites nested within
websites, such as Artnet, Artresources, artresource central, and the list
goes on and on and on. The interesting thing that I've found is that art is a
very personal and visual activity/process and most verbal translations end up
being opinions that generally get reduced to personality contests.
Good hunting,
tom
http://members.tripod.com/~TomLoretta
Andrew Werby
[Well, you can talk about all those things here. I had similar thoughts,
and proposed starting a bunch of new groups a year or so back, but the
"rec.arts" hierarchy was difficult to break into- you have to be able to
prove (somehow) that there will be sufficient traffic to justify the new
groups. "Build it and they will come" didn't seem to convince the Powers
That Be. Rather than go through the bureaucratic hassles, I started a
couple of groups in the "alt" hierarchy, which is considerably easier to
do. Alt.art.marketplace is something of a zoo, but it does reduce the
commercial pressure on groups like this. And alt.sculpture is doing quite
well- even though it doesn't get a huge number of posts each day, there
has been some interesting discussion of sculptural issues, and not too much
spam. ]
> > --
> >
> > Gwen Jones
> >
> > There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
[So go for it- if you're a Welsh woman- start some of these groups.But make
sure you keep them going once you do so, by continuing to post there and
encouraging others to do likewise, or they will become "ghost groups" which
stay alive in name only.]
> Hi Gwen, Actually there's probably hundreds of such sites nested within
> websites, such as Artnet, Artresources, artresource central, and the list
> goes on and on and on. The interesting thing that I've found is that art is a
> very personal and visual activity/process and most verbal translations end up
> being opinions that generally get reduced to personality contests.
>
> Good hunting,
> tom
> http://members.tripod.com/~TomLoretta
[I think the same could be said of many fields of human endeavor. But there
are still things that are worth talking about in the art realm, and we don't
really need to get into any fights- although this can be fun too.]
Andrew Werby
UNITED ARTWORKS- Sculpture, Jewelry, and other art stuff
http://unitedartworks.com
http://www.computersculpture.com for 3d design tools
Charles Eicher
> Why are there no newsgroups discussing painting or drawing (apart from this
> one)? Looking at all the groups on computers, science, games, hobbies and
> the rest there seems to be very little on art.
>
> If there were an equal number of art groups we would have things like:
>
> rec.arts.painting.oil
> rec.arts.painting.acrylic
> rec.arts.painting.exhibitions
> rec.arts.painting.competitions
> rec.arts.painting.watercolour
> rec.arts.painting.pastel
> rec.arts.drawing.landscape
> rec.arts.drawing.portrait
> rec.arts.drawing.figure
> rec.arts.artists.old-masters
> rec.arts.artists.modern
> rec.arts.artists.chat
Most artists are not so specialized that they only work in one media, i.e.
watercolor, oil, etc. Furthermore, the discussions of technique in any one
media can be relevant to other media. Most artists I know work in multiple
media and multiple subject matters, so dividing these groups into
specialized subjects is not a very good idea.
Most newsgroups in the Big 8 hierarchy are only split when there is such a
huge amount of message traffic that the existing newsgroup is virtually
unusable. I look forward to that day, but its a long ways off.
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Charles Eicher
cei...@inav.net
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Brian Parks
gwen_...@cybergal.com wrote:
>
> I have been pleased to find rec.arts.fine and to see that there is lively
> discussion here. I have also seen quite a few very interesting web pages from
> artists - and I would like to see lots more. I am puzzled by the newsgroups.
>
> Why are there no newsgroups discussing painting or drawing (apart from this
> one)? Looking at all the groups on computers, science, games, hobbies and
> the rest there seems to be very little on art.
>
> If there were an equal number of art groups we would have things like:
>
> rec.arts.painting.oil
> rec.arts.painting.acrylic
> rec.arts.painting.exhibitions
> rec.arts.painting.competitions
> rec.arts.painting.watercolour
> rec.arts.painting.pastel
> rec.arts.drawing.landscape
> rec.arts.drawing.portrait
> rec.arts.drawing.figure
> rec.arts.artists.old-masters
> rec.arts.artists.modern
> rec.arts.artists.chat
>
> Those are just a few ideas! Where are all these groups! I am sure that lots
> of people would like to be able to chat about, say, experiences in pen and
> ink, or problems with perspective, or what to say when people come up and
> look at you working....
>
> --
>
> Gwen Jones
>
> There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
Mattison
in the art, philanthropy etc.
There is NO!!! appreciation of the arts in Silly Icon Vavlley....get
our cultural plan we are so far behind the national standard it is
more than embarrassing they have to raise 210 M just to CAT.c.H
UP!!!
It is like living in a an artistic wasteland this place....funny thing is
these idiots are all inventing stuff for artists!!!
How are we going to buy theri stuff if they do not support us???????
I have not a clue yet nor has one of them had the guts to answer me
and I have been asking for 4 years!
Mattison
ps The founder of the Art & Tech Society Reccomended they be
called that when I asked who are these guys the first time they
came to my studio.
tlo...@cci-29palms.com
They list about twenty art related newsgroups and lists.
tom
http://members.tripod.com/~TomLoretta
gwen_...@cybergal.com
be nice to have a group rec.arts.fine.criticism, to keep the fogey community
happy, this could then leave rec.arts.fine free for positive discussion
on art, including practical questions, without all the carping. This
could be a step along the path of creating the other specific groups.
>
> > If there were an equal number of art groups we would have things like:
> >
> > rec.arts.painting.oil
> > rec.arts.painting.acrylic
> > rec.arts.painting.exhibitions
> > rec.arts.painting.competitions
> > rec.arts.painting.watercolour
> > rec.arts.painting.pastel
> > rec.arts.drawing.landscape
> > rec.arts.drawing.portrait
> > rec.arts.drawing.figure
> > rec.arts.artists.old-masters
> > rec.arts.artists.modern
> > rec.arts.artists.chat
> >
> > Those are just a few ideas! Where are all these groups! I am sure that lots
> > of people would like to be able to chat about, say, experiences in pen and
> > ink, or problems with perspective, or what to say when people come up and
> > look at you working....
> >
> > --
> >
> > Gwen Jones
> >
> > There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
> > Jan Morris - The matter of Wales, E
> >
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
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Gwen Jones
There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
Jan Morris - The matter of Wales, E
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Marilyn
Love your idealism and creativity concerning newsgroups.
They don't function as neatly as you would have it.
For example <rec.animals.wildlife> which you might
expect to be about wild animals and maybe even about
preserving their habitat, is often filled with
flames from
hunters
bikers who want bike trails in the woods
all terrain vehicle drivers who want the freedom of the desert
Marilyn
Marilyn
>
> --
>
> Gwen Jones
>
> There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
> Jan Morris - The matter of Wales, E
And Jan Morris should know, having been born a man, herself.
gwen_...@cybergal.com
wide!
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Gwen Jones
There is almost nothing Welsh women have not done.
Jan Morris - The matter of Wales, E
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Helen Fleischer
wrote:
>> rec.arts.painting.oil
>> rec.arts.painting.acrylic
>> rec.arts.painting.exhibitions
>> rec.arts.painting.competitions
>> rec.arts.painting.watercolour
>> rec.arts.painting.pastel
>> rec.arts.drawing.landscape
>> rec.arts.drawing.portrait
>> rec.arts.drawing.figure
>> rec.arts.artists.old-masters
>> rec.arts.artists.modern
>> rec.arts.artists.chat
>
>Most artists are not so specialized that they only work in one media, i.e.
>watercolor, oil, etc. Furthermore, the discussions of technique in any one
>media can be relevant to other media. Most artists I know work in multiple
>media and multiple subject matters, so dividing these groups into
>specialized subjects is not a very good idea.
Then how to stimulate more discussion of technique? Some of us thirst
for that. Even when we don't have a specific question ourselves, we
pounce hungrily on posts about techniques or media we've tried or want
to try, save them, print them out, use them as shopping lists...
Just the other day I happened upon a fascinating discussion on the
relative merits of various brands of watercolor pencils, in a newsgroup
I skim just because it so often has such things. Otherwise I'd have no
reason to look at rec.crafts.rubberstamps, I assure you. Would that I
could find more of that sort of thing here.
he...@min.net http://www.min.net/~helen
Helen "Halla" Fleischer,
Fantasy & Fiber Artist in Fairland, MD USA