European romantic realism
Zilic
Noumenon
Only I wouldn't call it "Romatic".
Bucolic? Yes. Idyllic? Yes.
But Romatic? Hardly so...
Weaving the Conundrum
-=| NOUMENON |=-
JCA Bennett
Your draftsmanship is to be respected. Keep up the good work. (Some people
seem not to realize that "romantic" applied to an art epoch has nothing to
do with romance!)
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> www.zilic.com
>
>
Noumenon
> seem not to realize that "romantic" applied to an art epoch has nothing to
> do with romance!)
Actully, it does, because it derived exactly from it.
From ROMANCE.
However it is not important.
Some people seem to forget so easily that "Romatic"
applies not only to epoch/period in arts, but
(and which is more essential) to:
-- 1. subject matter ("exotic and adventurous subject matter" or
"classical historical and mythological subject matter");
-- 2. specific emotional overtones ("capable of evoking awe and
grandeur");
-- 3. rather peculiar appeal to public ( with "emphasis on individual
heroism",
"the exotic and the mysterious");
-- 4. overall perception (conveying: feeling of drama, appreciation of
the strength
of human spirit, spiritual predominance of good over evil,
sense of mystery and religious awe).
-- 5. and even didactic features (depends on and varies from
plot/concept of painting);
"Romatic" period in arts is far over, but its spirit, its definition and
purpose
remain the same - as established.
Piece, serenity and tranquility were NEVER form, subject or aim of
"Romantic" movements in arts, they are NOT now, and NEVER will be.
[Otherwise we can classify 99,9% of all existing landscapes as "Romatic"
realism.
and it's not funny.]
An artist should be very carefull determining/categorizing own art work.
Wrong "label" can disorient viewers and spoil perception...
I have very little to say against these works (at http://www.zilic.com),
generally they are nice, but they have absolutely NOTHING to do with
"Romatic" art in any form, or Romanticism (on bigger scale).
Dilettante
> www.zilic.com
Nice use of colour, but the work appears to be copied from a snapshot.
Possibly the painter takes snapshots of tourist viewpoints then takes
them home and renders them.
Dilettante
Dilettante
> Echoes of Corot in "Early Morning."
> Your draftsmanship is to be respected.
There is hardly any draftsmanship at all. These are all copies from
trite tourist photographs, then probably then using some projection
device or camera lucida.
Dilettantte
Thur
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How can you tell?
I had thought he had, like some others, found a way to digitally
fix a colour image onto canvas, then applied some brushwork to hide
obvious effects. - At least for the most realist works.
I thought that "Cold Night." and "Dusk on the River" showed up well
against the rest, and my eyes tell me that something is slightly 'wrong'
with the composition of "After rain".
I fancy there is a big market for such work. Marylyn Simandle seems to
do well with these type of holiday shots, although she never really gets
down to such detail.
Thur
Zilic
Do I have to be a tourist to like beautiful sight, it is only my romantic
point of wiev.
Zilic
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Apple Loosa
>
>Those are only beautiful landscapes of my hometown, it is Europe!!!
>Do I have to be a tourist to like beautiful sight, it is only my romantic
>point of wiev.
>
>Zilic
Don't let the naysayers here affect you one way or
the other. You have a wonderful facility with the
paints, no matter what your point of reference is.
Keep up the good work, do it YOUR way, and don't
let those who envy you your facility as an artist
interfere with your efforts.
Flying_Naked_People
Zilic
are my love. I must tell everyone that all of my paintings are made only
with my bare hands, eyes and my brushes, based on nature and people that
surround me. Come back soon, I will try to refresh my web site often as I
can.
best wishes from Croatia
Davor Zilic
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Joe Bennett
I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to this thread but I was working
and didn't get a crack at this thread until today.
As to your versions of "romantic art," If you mean that these are not
"romantic" because they were not painted in France or England in the early
1800s, we probably do not have an argument. They weren't. They do,
however, reek of the spirit of the "romantic epoch," marked primarily by
enshrining the existing world versus the fanciful or specifically,
mythological or Biblical.
As to deriving from ROMANCE, bravo for the dictionary or etymology. But try
to find "romance" a la the dictionary in JMW Turner's "Persaids Collection
Bait," or his "Rouen, Looking Upriver." I might add Paul Delaroche"s "The
Execution of Lady Jan Grey," oir R.P. Bonington's "Fishmarket near
Bouglogne."
The Romantic Period is a time defined by dates and spirit. It has nothing
whatever to do with "romance" as that word lives today in your average
dictionary.
If this kid Zilic in Croatia wants to call his work "romantic," who in hell
are we to pick gnats or play semantics to show off how bright we are?
Regards,
Bennett
Joe Bennett
Apple...
Bravo!
"Dilettante" is well-named! Superscilious might work, too.
Or Snobby Snotnose, which is my personal favorite.
I am reminded, by her/his (I can't really assume.)posts to this Zilic kid in
Croatia, whom I have come to really like, that those who criticize others
frequently tell more about themselves, than they tell about those against
whom their criticism is directed.
"...hardly any draftsmanship...must be using a camera lucida..." Ho boy!
It is discouraging to realize how many people there are out here, playing
with art, who because they cannot draw, truly believe that no one can!
I've no brief for Mani, but from time to time, I feel his pain!
Regards, and stay positive....
Bennett
DAE
Your work is very well done. I hope to see more of it.
Don from the USA
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Dilettante
> How can you tell?
> I had thought he had, like some others, found a way to digitally
> fix a colour image onto canvas, then applied some brushwork to hide
> obvious effects. - At least for the most realist works.
>
> I thought that "Cold Night." and "Dusk on the River" showed up well
> against the rest, and my eyes tell me that something is slightly 'wrong'
> with the composition of "After rain".
Look at the still life of the flowers in the vase with the white
fabric behind it. Look at how the folds of the fabric are done. There
is no real painting here and certainly no drawing, just substitution
of white paint for the white of photo he is copying from.
Find a painting by Watteau with fabric, like one of his 'fetes
galantes.' then you will see how fabric is done in the classical
manner.
Dilettante
Zilic
I feel your pain. I can send every detail of work, or invite anyone to my
studio and see me while I am working
best wishes from Croatia!
Davor
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Dilettante
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha , you are fanny and patetic.
> I feel your pain.
Yes, because I feel the pain whenever I look at your junk.
>I can send every detail of work,
Yes, send step-by-step working drawings and stage-by-stage photographs
of your, ha ha, "paintings."
or invite anyone to my
> studio and see me while I am working
This is an easy challenge to make since you are thousands of
kilometers away from everyone else on this forum. You know that no one
is going to go there just to see you copy photographs.
Dilettante
Mike Stengl
are you really so sure? i may be gullible but the eastern europeans
are famous for starting their children who show talent in the artistic
arena with classic painting techniques at a vey young age. consider
the peking opera, the russian gymnists, etc. the idea of someone so
skilled doesn't exactly help MY paintbrush to stand up, but i can't
ignore the possibility...