Seeking contemporary artists site

[Gordon Matheson]

My favorite site to look at artwork to further my understanding or just
plain enjoy is Mark Harden's Artchive http://www.artchive.com/core.html.
Lots of great artwork from what seems like at least a hundred artists. He
put a ton of work into it and it shows. The only problem is Marks area of
interest ends abruptly with abstract expressionism.

Are there any similar sites on that anyone can recommend that specialize
or at least include contemporary paintings. I don't mean indiscriminate
sites that you check in and get included. I'm looking for sights that
someone has carefully selected the artists that are included. You can waste
an awful lot of time looking for the good art on the internet. Sure, it's
still fun to find a pearl among the oysters, but I'd enjoy it more with a
little direction and editing. Most of the museum site show very little and
I'm sure a lot of very good contemporary artists have so far only seen the
inside of a brick and mortar museum with a ticket.

Don't take this personally, but I'd prefer pointers to paintings and not
dissected cows and piles of bricks.

Thanks for the direction. It should be fun checking out what sites other
artists prefer

G. - prefers his cows in a bun or a field

[Jaxart]

In article <kFsq4.13665$%M5.3...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
GO...@worldnet.att.net says...

>Thanks for the direction. It should be fun checking out what sites other
>artists prefer

One of the best I've seen it at:

http://www.karenjacobs.com/

This artist has gone through an amazing evolution
in her work, from highly detailed realistic watercolors
to her current oeuvre of abstracts in acrylics and
encaustic. You can view her older works as well as
her most recent on her site.

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For a unique art experience visit:
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[Dan Fox]

This is some of the best work I've seen recently - on or off the web. Check
it out, for sure!

do...@emailme.com (Jaxart) wrote:

> One of the best I've seen it at:
>
> http://www.karenjacobs.com/
>
> This artist has gone through an amazing evolution
> in her work, from highly detailed realistic watercolors
> to her current oeuvre of abstracts in acrylics and
> encaustic. You can view her older works as well as
> her most recent on her site.

--
Dan

'The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.' - Blake
http://www.danfoxart.com

[Erik A. Mattila]

Dan Fox wrote:

> This is some of the best work I've seen recently - on or off the web. Check
> it out, for sure!

But 'how' are they the best, Dan? I agree with you, but I don't know why. I
can't even think of good artcrit terms -- which brings us back to our last
years project of discussing these things.

So I would write "scrumpteous," "delicious," "good enough to eat," in lieu of
whatever. But does that communicate anything? I guess such language projects
the idea of some sort of communion or connection between me and the works,
they do 'say' something to me, but it's more like a strange smell that makes
you salivate and you don't know why.

Anyway, these paintings really make me want to dig out my paints and start
slinging.

Erik

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38AB4B02...@tomatoweb.com>, Erik A. Mattila
<emat...@tomatoweb.com> writes

>But 'how' are they the best, Dan? I agree with you, but I don't know why. I
>can't even think of good artcrit terms -- which brings us back to our last
>years project of discussing these things.

Something Henri Cartier-Bresson said about the central *subject* of his
own work, Erik - *composition*. That instant gut reaction when you look
at good work that comes from the eye's immediate reaction to the picture
plane. Karen's surfaces can't be seen across the screen, but they are
highly intricate - a lot of encaustic and other textures from building
up the surface which give it that tactile appeal. In addition to that,
one can identify that the work has a *history* and yet is succeeds in
maintaining absolute originality - the influences are there but they are
references rather than worships. That demands admiration. There is,
however, that simplicity that leaves the door open for the mind to step
through. To top all of that, Karen is self taught. How refreshing after
seeing would be artists with MFAs who still paint like beginners or copy
images out of books of their *heroes*.

Get slinging, Erik !
--
Alison A Raimes
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk

[John Haber]

It IS an awfully nice Web site. Several pages loaded very slowly for
me (and not necessarily graphically rich ones), but this happens, and
I truly enjoyed the works a lot. I don't want to say much more,
because they're surprisingly hard to be sure one's dealt with them
online. I clung desperately to the fact of the medium given (acrylic
on canvas) to try to imagine what they must look like, probably
because the images reminded me of works that are probably much more
caught up in layering of the surface or physical handling of the
support, such as Tapies. Hope she gets shown up north for us so I can
find out if I like them for real.

John

[lake]

I agree, this is good painting, which is rare enough to applaud. It
draws you in to what painting is all about. Still, one could wish for a
little more what, adventure? Willingness to cross boundaries?
Lake

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[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38adcde5...@news.columbia.edu>, John Haber
<jha...@haberarts.com> writes
>>one of my images still says it is five inches square instead of feet
>
>Ooops. Oh, dear. I AM sorry. I'll try to find that one soon, too,
>and let you know what we can do. But the basic idea is just to take
>the Web page, with all the code you see; change the words and leave
>all the surrounding code as it was; and then upload it.

Yeah, but the software you gave me needs the registration number ... and
that would be illegal wouldn't it, John ??????? This weekend, if I get
time, I will load up HotMetal5 and see how I get on. I need to reload my
FTP too - it suddenly got lost.

Just started a new series of paintings which is making me do somersaults
(with excitement) - so may get too involved in that to play computers.
If I do get time, then I am going to post some of my student work and
some of the tiny drawings, on my homestead page (which doesn't need
HTML). Its just like using a standard graphics package ..... good eh ?

Love, Alison

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <gtkh$FAUcb...@raimes.demon.co.uk>, Alison A Raimes
<floa...@address.in.sig> writes

>change. I just tried one on both high and low and there wasn't much
>difference - maybe a lightly better colour content in the high file.

I lied about this. When I viewed it on the Explorer preview the low was
clearly not good as a high file - all the pixels were visible. The size
of the file was 3 KB as against 25 KB of the high file.

[Marilyn]

Try:

<http://www.judygarfin.com>

Instructor at Concordia University, Montreal

Gordon Matheson wrote:

My favorite site to look at artwork to further my understanding or just
plain enjoy is Mark Harden's Artchive http://www.artchive.com/core.html.
Lots of great artwork from what seems like at least a hundred artists.  He
put a ton of work into it and it shows. The only problem is Marks area of
interest ends abruptly with abstract expressionism.

  Are there any similar sites on that anyone can recommend that specialize
or at least include contemporary paintings.  I don't mean indiscriminate
sites that you check in and get included.  I'm looking for sights that
someone has carefully selected the artists that are included.  You can waste
an awful lot of time looking for the good art on the internet.  Sure, it's
still fun to find a pearl among the oysters, but I'd enjoy it more with a
little direction and editing. Most of the museum site show very little and
I'm sure a lot of very good contemporary artists have so far only seen the
inside of a brick and mortar museum with a ticket.

 Don't take this personally, but I'd prefer pointers to paintings and not
dissected cows and piles of bricks.

Thanks for the direction.  It should be fun checking out what sites other
artists prefer

G.  - prefers his cows in a bun or a field

 

[Marilyn]

Try:

Judy Garfin, instructor at Concordia University, Montreal

<http://www.judygarfin.com>

>

[Kay]

"Alison A Raimes" <floa...@address.in.sig> wrote
(snap):
: Just started a new series of paintings which is making me do somersaults

: (with excitement) - so may get too involved in that to play computers.

Isn't it exciting how a new series gets the old creative juices flowing? I
envy you so, since I am finishing up an old series and haven't a clue where
I am going next... I does come eventually, but I always think it won't this
time ;-0

: If I do get time, then I am going to post some of my student work and

: some of the tiny drawings, on my homestead page (which doesn't need
: HTML). Its just like using a standard graphics package ..... good eh ?

Great Alison! I posted my awful (worse than that but I can't think of a
sufficient word to explain its horribility!) and I challenged others to do
the same. I guess most don't have egos strong enough to make fun of their
own work. I would like to think everyone has work they are ashamed of which
they probably thought was great at the time (as did I) - then we know growth
has, indeed, occurred!

xxxxxxxxx
Kay
http://KayKane.homestead.com

: Love, Alison
:

[Kay]

"Erik A. Mattila" <emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote in message
news:38AD73CC...@tomatoweb.com...
:
: Solution - trade in you PC for a Macintosh (ha ha ha). But seriously, Kay
: may not have the graphic software to make a regular thumbnail.
:
: Erik
:
Erik,
While lurking in CompUSA today, I was drooling over the Macs. If I were to
buy another pc, I would probably switch to a Mac. Much more user friendly
but less programs available for it.

But that discussion has went on and on and on.....

[Kay]

"Chris" <bro...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:38ADB72D...@ns.sympatico.ca...
:
:
: Kay wrote:
: >
: > : >http://KayKane.homestead.com
: > :
:
: Hi Kay;
:
: Well, even though I haven't seen a review of your work I took a chance
: and visited your site. I like most of the work and the fact you use
: recurring themes/elements in it. I also had no problem loading it; in
: general the site is quite attractive.

Thanks so far ;-)
:
: I do think though that sometimes your loose approach to drawing - or
: perhaps more precisely the physics of the problem - detracts from the
: image (though take that with a grain of salt, since I haven't seem the
: pictures in RL).

I like your style, Chris, we are getting into an intellectualized sweet
critique. Drawing isn't a factor in my work. Composition is, of course. They
aren't the same thing. While my works are illusional, realism isn't a
factor.

Two examples are the rather random orientation of local
: light & shadow through out some pictures (like Lemmings), and the manner
: in which the reflection in "The Voyage Out" isn't coherent with what is
: being reflected - particularly the way the horizon appears reflected
: inside the doorway (which may have been part of the reason why Erik saw
: it as an outie and not an innie :)

Thank you. That is *exactly* what I strive for - a strong sense of
ambiguity. I want the viewer (and myself, for that matter) to be somewhat
disoriented and not know if in is out or vice-versa. Local light is very
important as well in my work and that is, by conscious decision to have
light sources from all directions - in, out, to the right, left, etc. which
also serves to further disorient. What may make you uncomfortable is only an
attribute to my success in conscious decision. If you like, I can mention my
primary mentor and you can look up his work and see the same quality of
light incoherence.

: > Maybe
: > I'll take my driver's license into Tucson Alphagraphics and get my
driver's
: > license scanned and have a photo of myself?
:
: You mean that's not you holding the gun in the assemblage? shucks...

Sure it's me. Actually, it is Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2 and I'll likely
be sued. Luckily for me, I have no assets.

Thanks for the time to check out my site and I wouldn't have minded if you
despised the work. Different styles are appreciated by different people and
the art world is a mighty big place.

Kay
http://KayKane.homestead.com

: Regards,
:
: Chris
:
: --
: "Art is the supreme manifestation of individualism" - Oscar Wilde
: Artwork: http://www.gammarat.com/Artists/ChrisB
: StudioTour: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/brobeck

[Kay]

"Alison A Raimes" <ali...@see.signature.for.address> wrote in message
news:Tk1KDtAp...@raimes.demon.co.uk...
: In article <38AD73CC...@tomatoweb.com>, Erik A. Mattila
: <emat...@tomatoweb.com> writes
: >I've never used software that creates automatic thumbnails. You can see
: >what's happening, can't you. The larger image is downloading to your
cpu,
: >so when the thumb page finally finishes and you click on a thumb, you get
a
: >very fast page of the full image. Dan Fox had the same thing on his
site.
: >What you're seeing as a 'thumbnail' is actually not a thumbnail - it's
the
: >full size image constrained in display size.
:
: Got it ! I had to take the first image that Kay put up and resize it and
: then load it up again. All I did was import the file into Corel Paint
: and reduce it by fifty percent - and then did that with the three
: others. They seem to download in a flash and still have the same
: quality. If she accepts the olives I'll do the same with the thumbnails.

Olives are about $1.00 a can US - OK, it's a deal! (I'm cheap, so what!)
I checked the site out and the thumbnails and images just flashed so fast.
I have Corel Draw somewhere but have never investigated it. Does it have
"Paint" in it? I only had Microsoft Photoshop, not that I know how to use
it either. I noticed as I was importing the images to the homestead site
that it said stuff like "Width - 100, Height - 286, etc. - I think 4
different numbers so I didn't know what it was exactly and I just changed it
by dividing all the numbers by 2 (extent of my math skills!) so maybe THAT
was where the change should have been made? The high resolution Erik
mentions is due to you bossing me around and telling me to get them on CD,
which I did, instead of floppy disk which has lower resolution (whatever
that all means!)

: >Personally, I don't like this method at all. It is just too slow. And I
: >seldom look at all the images on a thumbnail page -- I mean, what's the
: >purpose of the the thumbs? So a visitor can select what they are
: >interested in. So what's the sense (in terms of bandwidth) of requiring
: >the visitor to download all the images, even those that will not be
: >viewed? The BCS (Bandwidth Consevation Society) should campaign against
: >this practice. It smells like something that we can thank Mr. Gates for.
: >
: The purpose of the thumbs is to let people see which images they are
: most interested in and not force them to wade through a whole bunch of
: ones they aren't interested in first. I have thumbnails on my site that
: are there in a flash - same with all my images. It only takes seconds.

True, Erik. Some people put too many images (myself included when I'm
finished with this site) and I seldom look at ALL the images. Sometimes the
traffic is heavy and I know I'll get kicked off the internet so I just view
a few that strike my interest. Sometimes I look at them all, but usually
that is after I'm engaged enough to come back a few times...

: Bad mooded bootface - I bet she's having a period ;-)

Alison, I've discovered that you can talk about farts, boogers and making
those awful noises under your armpit with your hands but men totally FREAK
OUT when you mention your PERIOD! So, I'll spare them.
Just don't piss me off for a few days, OK?

Thanks! They downloaded in 2 seconds or so.
Alison
: http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk

[Kay]

"Erik A. Mattila" <emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote in message

news:38ADA1D4...@tomatoweb.com...
: Yeah, see what she said she was doing -- just dragging the corner "handle"
to
: make the image appear smaller. It still broadcasts all the info (bytes).
Your
: method is mucho superior.
:
: Does Corel have a jpeg compression module? (it must). How does it work?
The
: newest version of Photoshop has "ImageReady" which works nice, but I'm
really
: disappointed with the results. It plays havoc with the colors. The
numero uno
: compressor that I have found is Macromedia Fireworks. Costs about 300
bucks
: though, but...if you every want to give it a try, you can download a 30
day
: demo from http://www.macromedia.com. (You may have a UK mirror site).
:
I downloaded that already, Erik and it is very complex. I wouldn't recommend
it unless someone is very computer-savvy (like you and Alison). I just look
at it and poke around and haven't a clue.

[Kay]

Erik A. Mattila writes

: >Does Corel have a jpeg compression module? (it must). How does it work?
The
: >newest version of Photoshop has "ImageReady" which works nice, but I'm
really
: >disappointed with the results. It plays havoc with the colors. The
numero uno
: >compressor that I have found is Macromedia Fireworks. Costs about 300
bucks
: >though, but...if you every want to give it a try, you can download a 30
day
: >demo from http://www.macromedia.com. (You may have a UK mirror site).

Alison writes
: Thanks Erik, but I'm hooked on Corel - as a graphic design student
: (eight years ago) it was my first ever use of a computer software
: package and its like second nature to me now. I always save in
: Interchange format and the compression module offers the choice to
: choose the level between high and low file - 2 to 255. I always use high
: (2) because it maintains the colour quality - of course the dpi remains
: the same throughout anyway so there is no reason for the image to
: change. I just tried one on both high and low and there wasn't much
: difference - maybe a lightly better colour content in the high file. It
: also offers the option to review changes but not to view side by side.
: --

: Alison A Raimes
: ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
: http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk

and John writes:
Terrific. <grin> I guess that's part of why they tell you never to
use the size specifications in an image tag to re-size the image, only
to give the Web that extra second of warning about how much space the
image will need. (Extra second, because it can see for itself if the
image isn't being re-sized.)

John

Are you all talking dirty? Are you all talking Latin?
What are you saying?

[Tomi Holmberg]

> http://KayKane.homestead.com

kay, you bitch about importance of art-education and knowledge on art-
history. then, your work looks like some 3rd rate illustrations on
highschool, what's up with that?

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

[Kay]

"Tomi" I wasn't aware of your existence before but since you addressed me
personally I'll respond briefly:
I'm flattered that you hang on my every word.
Thank you.
I'm sorry I don't know who you are or what you are about, but you must not
have written anything interesting.

"Tomi Holmberg" <tomi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88mda7$rcc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
:
: > http://KayKane.homestead.com

[Tomi Holmberg]

In article <euCr4.2007$Pa1....@news6.giganews.com>,

"Kay" <scarl...@theriver.com> wrote:
> "Tomi" I wasn't aware of your existence before but since you
addressed me
> personally I'll respond briefly:
> I'm flattered that you hang on my every word.

well, you've been using your education and knowledge against others as
snobbery a couple of times here so that was a fair question.

> Thank you.
> I'm sorry I don't know who you are or what you are about, but you
must not
> have written anything interesting.

well, i don't know (or care) what others think about me =)

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38AF64C7...@ns.sympatico.ca>, Chris
<bro...@ns.sympatico.ca> writes
>
>Now Tomi, I think you are being a little unfair. What Kay has (at least
>to my knowledge) never said was that drawing, analysis, or observation
>were important to her; I think she (in a response elsewhere) defends
>quite ably her position that these are irrelevant to her work. And one
>must certainly admit that her work and her theoretical position are
>quite consistent.

No, I think you are both wrong. What Kay has always emphasised is the
importance of art education as a way of introducing you to a world away
from the Chocolate Box world of art that so many would-be artists
believe they are making *art* within. Copying photographs is not art.
Becoming part of the art education *system* exposes you to a peer group
and to mentors that inform and affect the way that artists develop their
work - it challenges and demands more of students and thus develops
minds that are no longer content with being *content*. Art is as much
about decision making as it is about images. Art History introduces you
to the development of art and its cultural roots. It is an awareness and
acceptance that art is inextricably entangled in society and studying it
represents an acknowledgement of that. Most artists are intrigued by the
world they are immersed in.

I always compare art education to my training as a chef. You learn the
basics, they become integrated in the decisions you make and you become
almost unaware of them - so it is in art: perspective, colour theory,
and composition become lodged somewhere at the back of the mind and are
constantly drawn on without even being aware of it. Its the same as
being able to make a perfect roux, but it is only one element of the
final sauce. To make a really incredible sauce you have to be capable of
innovation - of taking the basics and creating a sauce that sets the
taste buds alive. Clearly Kay draws on those elements of drawing that
she has been taught, but she has chosen not to make them the *subject*
of her work. Undoubtedly this is a conscious decision. That represents a
statement in regard to her position within the world she is part and
parcel of.
>
>So if she is content with shoes that look like hand rockets, or stones
>that look like bread dough, then why not? It is her imagination, after
>all, that she is painting, and you are probably seeing a pretty good
>representation of its extent.
>
Or perhaps she hopes to make the viewer work a little harder ? Are those
really shoes ? are those really rocks ? Have you ever seen shoes walking
up a dock and jumping off the end en masse ? Imagination is not taking
a photograph and reproducing it in paint - its about implying to others
that something beyond the realms of human experience is present within
us all. It asks that the viewer release their minds. Kay's art, for me
at least, is about posing questions to the viewer. It is clear that the
audience she aims for will have a particular way of responding. If those
who are caged within the constraints of only being capable of viewing
art for its traditional, technical merits, then this art is definitely
not for them.

>I would like to leave you with one point to consider. Are you familiar
>with Virginia Woolf? She was an English writer in the early part of the
>last century who (whether one likes her work of not) was a consummate
>practitioner of her craft. Now at least two of Kay's work are dedicated
>to this wonderful writer; and I'm sure that Kay is well aware of the
>delightful irony of the awkward and stilted nature of her own paintings
>in homage to Woolf. What could be a clearer expression of how
>imagination can be set free through its mastery of tools and a reach
>that must exceed its grasp, while without that it remains earth bound
>and mute?

That is a very good analysis of how Kay succeeds in paying homage to
Virginia Woolf. Woolf's intention to challenge the audience by use of
psychological effects through symbols and metaphors have been adopted in
Kay's work to the extent that the viewer becomes, like Tomi and
Christine, confused by the challenge. They respond then by challenging
the artists *ability* rather than the *intent*, thus distracting the
audience from allowing the freedom to personal interpretation. Kay's
personal impressions and insinuations become lost in minds that are
unable to free themselves from the chains of what they believe is
*right*. Like Woolf, Kay demands the viewer to free their mind and to,
as Christine so poetically writes, reach beyond the grasp of the human
mind to something that is not earth bound and mute. Clearly not everyone
is capable of taking that step, which, I suspect, is on of the most
central driving forces behind works like Kay's.

Alison A Raimes
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk

http://raimes.homestead.com (work in progress)

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <VYFr4.2483$Pa1....@news6.giganews.com>, Kay
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>They were pretty good! John looks drunk ;-) He should put them up on his
>site!
>(Slow download again - hahahaha!)

John has the ability of looking drunk in my company (for some strange
reason). Sorry about the download - Erik suggested trying something
different because scanning the drawings makes for such huge files. It
will have to wait until next weekend - the canvas calls.

http://raimes.homestead.com/SketchBook.html

Alison A Raimes
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk

http://raimes.homestead.com (work in progress site)

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <yKCr4.29548$Cn1.6...@news5.giganews.com>, Kay
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes
>Cheater! You can't even begin to hold a candle to my horridness! In fact, I
>liked the paintings very much and was pleased to find we were both fans of
>Kurt Schwitters in school. The drawings look very much like my own
>life-drawing classes. It never excited me too much but it was valuable to
>learn. How can you even attempt to claim *awfulness* such as my blow-up
>doll Madonna giving birth over an alter of penises?
>(Oops, forgot to look at the sketches of John - back later!)

I always enjoyed Life Drawing - in fact I had to fight like a banshee to
get Life Drawing classes re-installed for students at Manchester, to the
extent that I started a student run group and charged a pound a session.
In addition to that I went to evening classes for two years. Next week
I'll post some of my more recent drawings - these ones, you have to bear
in mind, where my first ones ! Between leaving school in 1977 and going
to college in 1992 I hadn't done a single drawing ... come to think of
it, I hardly ever read a book in that time either.

Its impossible to outdo your painting, Kay, but here is my closest
attempt. I put up my first attempt at foreshortening..... groan.

http://raimes.homestead.com/StudentWork2.html

Nasty drawing ! and I edited John's sketches to make it slightly more
accessible - its still slow until I redo the scans.

http://raimes.homestead.com/SketchBook.html

I also added a couple of sketches that I did while drinking wine in
Barcelona (escaping from fifteen out of control teenagers for an hour or
two)

http://raimes.homestead.com/SkBk.html

Let me know of they work OK.
Alison

[Marilyn]

Hi,

You can see her work, in the Wall Building on Burrard St., Vancouver,
or the Bau Xi Gallery on Granville St., Vancouver, or The House of Commons
in Ottawa (this one is from my favourite of her painting series). When I saw
this one, I knew I wanted her as an instructor. Her book which is mentioned
at <www.judygarfin.com> lists where her work can be seen in the real.
It really suffers in the small digital format.

Another good contemporary artist:
<www.danfoxart.com>
This work is at the other end of the pendulum swing from magic realism
to abstraction.

Dan if you are reading this, hope I have posted the correct URL

Marilyn

Gordon Matheson wrote:

  Thanks, she has an amazing color sense.  I.d love to see some of them in person.  My wife's family is from Montreal but I only seem to get there for funerals.  Seeing art would be a much better trip.G.

Marilyn <nos...@islands.com> wrote in messageTry:

[Kay]

"Alison A Raimes" <ali...@see.signature.for.address> wrote in message

news:3T6z+CAU1
:
: I always enjoyed Life Drawing - in fact I had to fight like a banshee to

: get Life Drawing classes re-installed for students at Manchester, to the
: extent that I started a student run group and charged a pound a session.
: In addition to that I went to evening classes for two years. Next week
: I'll post some of my more recent drawings - these ones, you have to bear
: in mind, where my first ones ! Between leaving school in 1977 and going
: to college in 1992 I hadn't done a single drawing ... come to think of
: it, I hardly ever read a book in that time either.
:
: Its impossible to outdo your painting, Kay, but here is my closest
: attempt. I put up my first attempt at foreshortening..... groan.
:
: http://raimes.homestead.com/StudentWork2.html

I don't see the awfulness unless it is the bottom image. I can't see the
figure well there at all. Very strong color sense and the viewer is drawn
in. I like it, creep.
:
: Nasty drawing ! and I edited John's sketches to make it slightly more

: accessible - its still slow until I redo the scans.
:
: http://raimes.homestead.com/SketchBook.html
:
: I also added a couple of sketches that I did while drinking wine in
: Barcelona (escaping from fifteen out of control teenagers for an hour or
: two)

Oops, missed that one. Back I go
: http://raimes.homestead.com/SkBk.html

They work fine but let's see some CRAP! These are less interesting to me
but still not BAD! Maybe in grad school you will realize your potential for
something outrageously awful which will seem like a good idea at the
time???????? I see you put up the shot of you with your short-shorts on and
it isn't connected. I don't even know where it is or how I got there! Nice
tan ;-)

Kay
http://KayKane.homestead.com/

: Let me know of they work OK.
: Alison

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <tU_r4.6910$Pa1.1...@news6.giganews.com>, Kay
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes

>
>I don't see the awfulness unless it is the bottom image. I can't see the
>figure well there at all. Very strong color sense and the viewer is drawn
>in. I like it, creep.

Sorry, wrong URL
http://www.homestead.com/raimes/StudentWorkB.html

>They work fine but let's see some CRAP! These are less interesting to me
>but still not BAD! Maybe in grad school you will realize your potential for
>something outrageously awful which will seem like a good idea at the
>time???????? I see you put up the shot of you with your short-shorts on and
>it isn't connected. I don't even know where it is or how I got there! Nice
>tan ;-)
>

You got there by clicking on *about the artist* on the home page - it's
my photo album .... some of that part isn't linked yet, but if you want
to know my life story (long and very boring) you will find it buried
there somewhere. Be warned - there is a lot of downloading to do. My
niece loves it, but then again, I'm her hero !

--
Alison

ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
http://raimes.homestead.com/index.html

[Kay]

"Alison A Raimes" <ali...@see.signature.for.address> wrote in message

: >I don't see the awfulness unless it is the bottom image. I can't see the

: >figure well there at all. Very strong color sense and the viewer is drawn
: >in. I like it, creep.
:
: Sorry, wrong URL
: http://www.homestead.com/raimes/StudentWorkB.html
:
: >They work fine but let's see some CRAP! These are less interesting to me
: >but still not BAD! Maybe in grad school you will realize your potential
for
: >something outrageously awful which will seem like a good idea at the
: >time???????? I see you put up the shot of you with your short-shorts on
and
: >it isn't connected. I don't even know where it is or how I got there!
Nice
: >tan ;-)

: >

Not bad enough. Let's home the Artsy Fartsy art school will broaden your
horizens! Nice bikini photos though!
:
: You got there by clicking on *about the artist* on the home page - it's

: my photo album .... some of that part isn't linked yet, but if you want
: to know my life story (long and very boring) you will find it buried
: there somewhere. Be warned - there is a lot of downloading to do. My
: niece loves it, but then again, I'm her hero !

How sweet!

: --

[John Haber]

>John looks drunk.

I was under a bad influence at the time, Scar. :)

John

[John Haber]

Alison:

>Yeah, but the software you gave me needs the registration number ... and
>that would be illegal wouldn't it, John ???????

Oh, dear, I suppose you've a point, even sharing among friends. Well,
I'll hold off sending it to you until shame has passed. But actually,
in the mean time, you can edit html files ok in Windows Notepad or any
other plain-text editor. The only thing the programs do is "know"
html for you!

>This weekend, if I get time, I will load up HotMetal5 and see how
>I get on. I need to reload my FTP too - it suddenly got lost.

Let us know how it goes!

>Just started a new series of paintings which is making me do somersaults

Cool.

John

[John Haber]

Alison:
>http://raimes.homestead.com/StudentWork.html

I didn't know you liked Moore. How very British of you.

>and there are some sketches of John just to embarrass him (and me) !

Don't let Mani see them. You'll spoil his fun. Evil modernists can't
draw, remember?

I'm truly flattered and I love the drawing at the left, how you make
pencil all cover the face and yet still render an image. I assure you
I've never looked so good. (fwiw, people are still complimenting me
as well on the photo we put on my bio page.)

Now you'll have to break down and admit to raf what YOU look like,
too.

John

[John Haber]

>John has the ability of looking drunk in my company (for some strange
>reason).

I daren't touch that one.

John

[John Haber]

>The larger image is downloading t

I think Erik's got it! Also, perhaps break up the thumbnail page into
a couple with fewer?

john

[John Haber]

>Are you all talking dirty? Are you all talking Latin?
>What are you saying?

Yeah, it's latin for us little piggies. The way images get into a Web
page is with an IMG tag, and it reads like this for an image with file
name image.jpg:

<img src="image.jpg">

That's the simplest form. The img is the name of the tag: it tells
html we're dealing with an image here. Then src is the first of the
tag's "attributes," as html calls extra info, and this bit of info is
one you can't live without: the location of the image. (It can be
more complex, like a full "path name" if the files are in different
folders of even locations on the Web.

However, while you need this attribute, the tag allows others. The
"align" attribute can place the image left, right, or centered on the
page, and it also has the value that it makes text wrap around the
image, instead of leaping over it. Other attributes can specify the
distance from the image to wrap-around text, the thickness of a border
if any (default is nonzero), text that displays as an "alternative" to
the image while the image is still loading (or when you point your
mouse over it, and the size of the image.

That last bit of info forces the image to fit in that height and
width. If the size is smaller than the actual image, it'll scrunch it
up for people (the effect Erik was pointing out isn't good).

I was mentioning a bit of trivia: one's really supposed to include
the height and width attributes even if it's just the actual height
and width of the image. Why, if the browser is figuring it out
anyhow? Apparently it saves the browser a microsecond (and no doubt
defeats any blue meanies trying to override your work's qualities).

Here's the image tag from one of my pages, so you see the syntax:

<img src="africa.gif" width=276 height=432 hspace=5 vspace=5 border=0
align="right" alt="from Gabon (private collection, 19th cent.)">

John

[John Haber]

Alison:
>resample

I've got it set so that whenever I open a jpg it suggests by default
that I want to resample it. That's for resizing the art I open from
people in raf. I want to make it too small to see, you know.

John

[John Haber]

A., I forget, since I too use Corel Paint, but I think Photoshop uses
something more intuitive than resample for the command name. Size or
enlarge or something obvious.

John

[Kay]

"mdeli" <hug...@interlog.com> wrote in message
news:38b332c6...@news.psi.ca...
(snip)
:
: >That represents a

: >statement in regard to her position within the world she is part and
: >parcel of.

:
: All she can do is make is statements.
:
: > It is clear that the audience she aims for will have a particular way of
responding.
:
: Indeed, they will totally ignore it.
:
Totally wrong, Mani. I'm not ashamed to post my resume. Where is yours? I
don't have a 2nd rate resume and I am taken seriously by my audience. I
wonder if you would be?

: >That is a very good analysis of how Kay succeeds in paying homage to
: >Virginia Woolf.
:
: > Like Woolf, Kay demands the viewer to free their mind and to,
:
: I suspect Kay is in no position to demand anything.
:
I suspect you are wrong.

: >as Christine so poetically writes, reach beyond the grasp of the human

: >mind to something that is not earth bound and mute. Clearly not everyone
: >is capable of taking that step, which, I suspect, is on of the most
: >central driving forces behind works like Kay's.

:
: Pure baloney!

How profound Mani. I see your GED arrived.

: I predict that Kay's hopeless attempts at no skill realism will
: eventually lead her into pure abstract schmier.

Most abstract schmierers and no-skill realists do each by choice not by
falling into it. No one has ever called me a realist or even an attempted
realist before (until the rocket-scientists here crawled out from under
their rocks). I suspect you don't know the basic terminology of art despite
your book. You obviously know nothing of separating the various artistic
stylistic tendencies - good or bad (to you). I've only heard you mention
"abstract" (which occassionally you expand to include AbEx), "Realism" and
Dali. You are only missing a few hundred...

Like Fox she can then
: say anything about her work and the average viewer will be unable to
: discuss her faults.

Then you are proclaiming abstraction to be a superior art form? A higher
level?

Then if she becomes a serious student of Artspeak,
: hangs out with properly connected richies, AKs those with the good
: connections, she might manage to sell a lot more than you will.

Good shot Mani, but I'm not in competition with Dan and I do very well with
my own style. Learn some art (maybe by reading some of Alison, John or
Erik's posts), then we'll talk.

Kay
http://KayKane.homestead.com

:
: Perhaps Kay should save up enough money to take AK lessons with Fox. I
: also suggest the same for you. Both of you are totally deficient in
: the elocution of today's modern high-power-bullshit necessary for real
: artzy fartzy success.
:
: Mani DeLi
: ...no skill no art
:
: Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page!
: http://www.interlog.com/~hugod/

[Erik A. Mattila]

John Haber wrote:

Howabout:
"Image Size" or
"Canvas Size" ?

The "Image Size" window allows for display size, print size, resolution,
constrain proportions and Resample Image by either Bicubic, Bilinear or
Nearest Neighbor. "Resample" is pixel info. interpolation, usually when
you increase size or resolution.

Not at all unintuitive, I think.

But I've heard Corel Corp. was in financial trouble. Could be it will
disappear - the competition is fierce. Another really great paint
program is Fractal Painter, but MetaCreation is dumping it along with
all their other products to go full time into 3-D displaying software
for e-commerce.

But still, the best compressor I've found is Fireworks - although I
never use it for creating graphics -- I'm a committed Photoshop fan
since the original beta version. It came out in the late eighties to
replace a perfectly horrible program, no two horrible programs, Laser
Paint and Pixel Paint. Macromedia's XRes was a flop also.

Erik

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38b1b78f...@news.onepine.com>, John Haber
<jha...@haberarts.com> writes

>Oh, dear, I suppose you've a point, even sharing among friends. Well,
>I'll hold off sending it to you until shame has passed. But actually,
>in the mean time, you can edit html files ok in Windows Notepad or any
>other plain-text editor. The only thing the programs do is "know"
>html for you!

I managed quite well with Hot Metal this weekend but when I got to the
FTP I couldn't pull the file up that I wanted to transfer. I checked
first with Demon and they talked me through all the instructions to the
point where you delete the file you are replacing and then replace it
with the new version. That was when I got stuck. Help ! I will still
need some help actually constructing a page, and I see what you mean
about the problem of my web designers not naming pages and files. You
did an excellent job of tidying up ! I want to get some new paintings on
the site sometime this week but still have to get them onto CDrom first.
By doing that the problem of scanning and resizing seems to be solved.
The quality of the compression is so good they can go straight to the
page.

>
>>Just started a new series of paintings which is making me do somersaults
>
>Cool.
>

Exciting and Fun !

Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38b1b862...@news.onepine.com>, John Haber
<jha...@haberarts.com> writes

>Alison:
>>http://raimes.homestead.com/StudentWork.html
>
>I didn't know you liked Moore. How very British of you.
>

Did I ever tell you the story about my car mechanic whose father owned
the foundry that cast Moore's sculptures ? And didn't I tell you about
working with Moore's daughter at Eltham College a couple of years ago ?
Hmmm, must have told another group !

>>and there are some sketches of John just to embarrass him (and me) !
>
>Don't let Mani see them. You'll spoil his fun. Evil modernists can't
>draw, remember?
>
>I'm truly flattered and I love the drawing at the left, how you make
>pencil all cover the face and yet still render an image. I assure you
>I've never looked so good. (fwiw, people are still complimenting me
>as well on the photo we put on my bio page.)

What has happened, and what I must try and sort out, is that the
sketches have scanned in with heavier lines than are actually there. So
the dark areas have become much darker than they actually are - in the
drawings they are much more gentle, there isn't that contrast.
Incidentally, I used one of those throw away retractable pencils - don't
even know what the lead was (probably HB). Anyway, you are welcome to
the originals if I can get a decent scan.

>
>Now you'll have to break down and admit to raf what YOU look like,
>too.

You didn't look too carefully then ? The site has several photos of me
with not much clothing on in most - you know how I detest clothes ! In
fact I am building an on-line photo album just for the hell of it. My
friends that are scattered all over the world from sailing days in the
Caribbean are getting a kick out of it. So what happens now ? Mani is so
used to calling me a *fat sow* and a *talentless hack* he is kind of
stuck - yes ?

Did you get the apartment painted ? Did you vacuum in the corners and
get the bathroom tiles cleaned ?????

Alison
ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
http://raimes.homestead.com (for an informal insight)

[John Haber]

Alison:

>I managed quite well with Hot Metal this weekend but when I got to the
>FTP I couldn't pull the file up that I wanted to transfer. I checked
>first with Demon and they talked me through all the instructions to the
>point where you delete the file you are replacing and then replace it
>with the new version. That was when I got stuck. Help !

Erik, any ideas? I don't know Hot Metal myself. My ftp program, a
freebie called ws_ftp, lets you overwrite files without first deleting
them. I just highlight the one I want to upload (in the left window)
and hit an arrow pointing to the right window (the one with the Web
site on the server).

>I will still need some help actually constructing a page...

I'm here. I can always try again to do things you direct, but this
time spell out what I'm doing, so you can get to do it on your own.

My Web designer is a bit eccentric: you click on the tags you want,
rather than on the effects you want, and then you click on a wysiwig
button to see the results in a browser. So it takes more background,
even if it gives me more comfort that I see what it's doing. Thus, I
shall have to be careful NOT to try to teach html when your own
program doesn't need it. Thank goodness it's not hard, though.

And just have faith that if it's a text error of mine, not a design
error, you can always just type the change you want.

>... and I see what you mean about the problem of my web designers

>not naming pages and files. You did an excellent job of tidying up

Thanks so much. I was always aware that, though I was trying to
follow your thoughts literally, I almost always was misunderstanding
them and not getting the results you wanted. Obviously it wasn't
your fault by any means. I just am now realizing how much of what Web
design firms have to learn is that kind of communication skills.
Probably good thing that, while I'm now really a Web professional with
this Earthscape job going so well, I am not quite a Web designer.

John
jha...@haberarts.com

[John Haber]

The paint job went so well, and I did indeed take the occasion to
clean out the bedroom closets. (I left the living room ones
untouched.) One bedroom closet had to hold all my posters and real
artwork during the paint job, so I had to move all other things out of
it, which helped get me to be tidy.

Ooh, I remember only the one or two photos of you with clothes on. I
can't wait. (I just have to watch out of that tendency of mine Kay
mentioned to get intoxicated when I see you. I can't promise I've
eradicated it.)

We can even use Mani's idea for marketing purposes and rename the site
www.fatsow.com. It'd get lots and lots of hits, and even if it's not
true, that doesn't matter. Advertising is an art, not a matter of
honesty.

John

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38b2b62c...@news.columbia.edu>, John Haber
<jha...@haberarts.com> writes

>Erik, any ideas? I don't know Hot Metal myself. My ftp program, a

>freebie called ws_ftp, lets you overwrite files without first deleting
>them. I just highlight the one I want to upload (in the left window)
>and hit an arrow pointing to the right window (the one with the Web
>site on the server).

Pay attention, John. The HTML software is not the problem. I've already
updated my CV and now want to get it on the site. And I am using the FTP
package that you loaded onto the machine because my Demon one got messed
up. When I go into the FTP file, I can't pull up the file I want to
transfer from the left page. If I click on the c drive nothing happens.
Durrrrrrr.

>I'm here. I can always try again to do things you direct, but this
>time spell out what I'm doing, so you can get to do it on your own.

Hee hee. What's wrong with shouting at you like I usually do ?
--
Alison

ali...@raimes.demon.co.uk
http://www.raimes.demon.co.uk
http://raimes.homestead.com/index.html

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38b2b83c...@news.columbia.edu>, John Haber
<jha...@haberarts.com> writes

>We can even use Mani's idea for marketing purposes and rename the site

>www.fatsow.com. It'd get lots and lots of hits, and even if it's not
>true, that doesn't matter. Advertising is an art, not a matter of
>honesty.
>
>John

Mani is the best marketing tool on the web. Have you seen how many hits
Kay got on her site after he trashed her work ? something like 200 when
I checked yesterday. He's not a bad old stick is he really ?

Alison

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <83HxnNA$9rs4...@raimes.demon.co.uk>, Alison A Raimes
<ali...@see.signature.for.address> writes

>Pay attention, John. The HTML software is not the problem. I've already
>updated my CV and now want to get it on the site. And I am using the FTP
>package that you loaded onto the machine because my Demon one got messed
>up. When I go into the FTP file, I can't pull up the file I want to
>transfer from the left page. If I click on the c drive nothing happens.
>Durrrrrrr.

I figured it out since I wrote this ! You have to change the directory
to C:// and then find the file - and you are right, if you transfer it
across it automatically overwrites the old one. now there is a nasty
black outline on my photograph - where the hell did that come from ?

Cheers
Alison

[John Haber]

>now there is a nasty black outline on my photograph
>- where the hell did that come from ?

I hate those. Look for a setting for image properties called
"border." Your program must be fond of them. (To remove it, set its
width to 0.)

John

[John Haber]

Oh, look, this new office computer has Front Page Express on it, so I
can see how the other half does these things, those silly people.

John

[Erik A. Mattila]

Alison A Raimes wrote:

> In article <38b2b62c...@news.columbia.edu>, John Haber
> <jha...@haberarts.com> writes
>

> >Erik, any ideas? I don't know Hot Metal myself. My ftp program, a
> >freebie called ws_ftp, lets you overwrite files without first deleting
> >them. I just highlight the one I want to upload (in the left window)
> >and hit an arrow pointing to the right window (the one with the Web
> >site on the server).
>

> Pay attention, John. The HTML software is not the problem. I've already
> updated my CV and now want to get it on the site. And I am using the FTP
> package that you loaded onto the machine because my Demon one got messed
> up. When I go into the FTP file, I can't pull up the file I want to
> transfer from the left page. If I click on the c drive nothing happens.
> Durrrrrrr.

That's strange. FTP software recognizes a whole bunch of file types. Any
possiblility you have a corrupted file? Check the 'file type' of the file
in question (I assume it's an html page).

As for overwriting, I use an FTP program that will do such, but I've had
some failures. Ha, ha, arguing with the client "but I replacced that page"
gets me nowhere. So as a precaution I always delete first, rather than
trying to overwrite.

I think John made a crack a few posts back re: writing html versus using a
dummy program that does it for you. I was deeply offended (I joke). I use
the most automatic page design software I possibly can. But you know, html
purists have their own way of looking at things. (I'm just kidding, John,
you purist, you.)

The one feature that has been quite beneficial in Macromedia Dreamweaver is
"roundtrip html" which is nothing more that Dreamweaver's respect for
html. So you can open an html doc created by BBedit or HotMetal, and
Dreamweaver won't mess with the coding at all, and when you tweak and save
it leaves all the old code (even the old, funky code) untouched. This
contrasts with all other html authors, which always rewrite html to their
specs when you open a page created in something else. I've just installed
the upgrade, version 3, which claims to now assault the worst html
generator in the world, Microsoft word!! Ah Ha, we shall see. It's
estimated that about 90% of web documents originate in Word, and when you
see page after page of funky punctuation marks where there should be a long
dash, a 'smart quote' etc., it's an indication that the designer didn't go
through the rediculous, time consuming project of proof reading on-line and
fixing these errors. We shall see...

[Erik A. Mattila]

John Haber wrote:

Now is that another 'html purist' crack, John (smile, laugh, etc. so you
won't take me seriously). But that's typical for those of you brought
up in the DOS world, where you have to code everything. I guess there
is a certain pride in it, but I wouldn't know. I started out on a Mac
so I've never experienced that need. But, on the other hand, Gates did
rip-off the Mac GUI for Windoze, so there must be some sense in an
intuitive interface.

So "Code On" my friend, while I "Click On." I'm secretely envious. I
remember the first time I had to create a text anchor, and I did it in
pure html, and I was really proud of myself. But beyond that simple
exercise, I discovered that my ganglia was already wired wrong to have
to abstract the visual universe into the "Matrix." I've always been
math challenged, and challenged by all sorts related inuendo that is
'math-like' like coding.

OnMouseUP
<PUNT>
End
of the line$

Regards,

1001 0010 1101 01010

[mdeli]

Alison A Raimes wrote:

>, Chris ><> writes>>
>>So if she is content with shoes that look like hand rockets, or stones
>>that look like bread dough, then why not?

She can only make childish flat schmiers that look like what she is
attempting to paint.

>>Now Tomi, I think you are being a little unfair. What Kay has (at least
>>to my knowledge) never said was that drawing, analysis, or observation
>>were important to her; I think she (in a response elsewhere) defends
>>quite ably her position that these are irrelevant to her work.

Yes, she should teach a course in "position defense."

>And one >>must certainly admit that her work and her theoretical position are
>>quite consistent.

--consistently stupid

>>So if she is content with shoes that look like hand rockets, or stones
>>that look like bread dough, then why not? It is her imagination, after
>>all, that she is painting, and you are probably seeing a pretty good
>>representation of its extent.

Right, she has no imagination.

>Or perhaps she hopes to make the viewer work a little harder ? Are those
>really shoes ? are those really rocks ?

---and of course the real point --is this incompetent crap really
supposed to have merit? Tell us Allison, will my opinion of Kay's
artwork change if I work harder.

> Clearly Kay draws on those elements of drawing that
>she has been taught, but she has chosen not to make them the *subject*
>of her work.

___because she can't draw because she hasn't been taught.

>Undoubtedly this is a conscious decision.

Baloney, she has no choice.

>That represents a
>statement in regard to her position within the world she is part and
>parcel of.

All she can do is make is statements.

> It is clear that the audience she aims for will have a particular way of responding.

Indeed, they will totally ignore it.

>

>That is a very good analysis of how Kay succeeds in paying homage to
>Virginia Woolf.

> Like Woolf, Kay demands the viewer to free their mind and to,

I suspect Kay is in no position to demand anything.

>as Christine so poetically writes, reach beyond the grasp of the human

>mind to something that is not earth bound and mute. Clearly not everyone
>is capable of taking that step, which, I suspect, is on of the most
>central driving forces behind works like Kay's.

Pure baloney!

I predict that Kay's hopeless attempts at no skill realism will
eventually lead her into pure abstract schmier. Like Fox she can then

say anything about her work and the average viewer will be unable to

discuss her faults. Then if she becomes a serious student of Artspeak,

hangs out with properly connected richies, AKs those with the good
connections, she might manage to sell a lot more than you will.

Perhaps Kay should save up enough money to take AK lessons with Fox. I

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38B2FA70...@tomatoweb.com>, Erik A. Mattila
<emat...@tomatoweb.com> writes

>The one feature that has been quite beneficial in Macromedia Dreamweaver is
>"roundtrip html" which is nothing more that Dreamweaver's respect for
>html. So you can open an html doc created by BBedit or HotMetal, and
>Dreamweaver won't mess with the coding at all, and when you tweak and save
>it leaves all the old code (even the old, funky code) untouched. This
>contrasts with all other html authors, which always rewrite html to their
>specs when you open a page created in something else. I've just installed
>the upgrade, version 3, which claims to now assault the worst html
>generator in the world, Microsoft word!! Ah Ha, we shall see. It's
>estimated that about 90% of web documents originate in Word, and when you
>see page after page of funky punctuation marks where there should be a long
>dash, a 'smart quote' etc., it's an indication that the designer didn't go
>through the rediculous, time consuming project of proof reading on-line and
>fixing these errors. We shall see...

Its all dooble dootch to me ......... speaking of which, just where IS
Meskin ????? Anyway, I quit. I'm going to pay a web designer to do my
Demon website - took one look at that software John sent me and my head
spun round four times in both directions. The homestead one is my
playground for now ! And I just put up a few pieces of degree work

http://raimes.homestead.com/DegreeWork.html

and I put a couple more Tiny Images up.

Getting there but thats enough time spent on it for now.

[John Haber]

>I think John made a crack a few posts back re: writing html versus using a
>dummy program that does it for you.

Oh, dear, Erik, I'm sorry. I don't remember the crack, but I'll cut
myself slack and bet I was really saying something else. I honestly
would never wish to condescend to someone who relies on one of those
programs.

John

[John Haber]

> Oh, look, this new office computer has Front Page Express on it, so I
> can see how the other half does these things, those silly people.

Oh, I see, that's what I said. Sorry: it came out wrong without the
inflections. I was being tongue in cheek. The intended irony was in
phrases "other half" and "silly," rather a Monty Python word that's
hard for me to deliver to someone's face as an insult. ("Idiot" does
carry anger for me.) Anyhow, I apologize again.

John

[Erik A. Mattila]

John Haber wrote:

Please don't apologise, I too was being tongue in cheek. Anything on the
level of Monty Python is A-OK with me. But I do feel inadaquate that I am
code challenged. Thank my lucky stars for WYSIWYG.

Erik

[Kay]

"Alison A Raimes" <ali...@see.signature.for.address> wrote in message :
: Its all dooble dootch to me ......... speaking of which, just where IS
: Meskin ?????

He saw my high-heeled shoes and ran off with some whips and chains gang!

Anyway, I quit. I'm going to pay a web designer to do my
: Demon website - took one look at that software John sent me and my head
: spun round four times in both directions. The homestead one is my
: playground for now ! And I just put up a few pieces of degree work
:
: http://raimes.homestead.com/DegreeWork.html

First year and second year are VERY different! I think first year looks
more like the more recent work. Were you in love or something the second
year? Where in the heck are the Third year images?

: and I put a couple more Tiny Images up.

They sure are Tiny!

Kay
http://KayKane.homestead.com
(under construction cuz I messed it up by accident!)

: Getting there but thats enough time spent on it for now.

[Robert Watson]

Neoimages has a few hundred artists online. Here is an announcement of a recent show:

"Rendezvous with Nature"
Neo.Images presents new drawings by Reed Anderson.
A series of narrative drawings that
are insightful and humorous.

"Strong Line"
Neo.Images presents works on canvas
curated towards a strong sense of line
from artists on the Neo.Images web site.
Go to Exhibitions

paintings online all the time @
http://www.neoimages.com
*****************************

Gordon Matheson wrote:

My favorite site to look at artwork to further my understanding or just
plain enjoy is Mark Harden's Artchive http://www.artchive.com/core.html.
Lots of great artwork from what seems like at least a hundred artists.  He
put a ton of work into it and it shows. The only problem is Marks area of
interest ends abruptly with abstract expressionism.

  Are there any similar sites on that anyone can recommend that specialize
or at least include contemporary paintings.  I don't mean indiscriminate
sites that you check in and get included.  I'm looking for sights that
someone has carefully selected the artists that are included.  You can waste
an awful lot of time looking for the good art on the internet.  Sure, it's
still fun to find a pearl among the oysters, but I'd enjoy it more with a
little direction and editing. Most of the museum site show very little and
I'm sure a lot of very good contemporary artists have so far only seen the
inside of a brick and mortar museum with a ticket.

 Don't take this personally, but I'd prefer pointers to paintings and not
dissected cows and piles of bricks.

Thanks for the direction.  It should be fun checking out what sites other
artists prefer

G.  - prefers his cows in a bun or a field

[Erik A. Mattila]

Unfortunately it is true. Here's a link to MetaCreations' announcement:

http://www.metatools.com/letter.html

But I've also read that MetaCreations doesn't own some of their flagship
products outright, and the owners can certainly continue devlopment under
other auspices. Applications like Painter, Bryce and Poser have been
commercially successful, so there's no reason to suppose some other
company will pick up production on these products. I wouldn't be
surprised if Adobe buys KPT, for example (I haven't read this anywhere,
it just makes sense to me.)

What's interesting about this is that the company is placing all their
bets in e-commerce, and willing to completely focus on MetaStream
technology. I guess the days of the traditional storefront are numbered.

Erik

mdeli wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:25:53 GMT, "Erik A. Mattila"
> <emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote:
>
> > Another really great paint
> >program is Fractal Painter, but MetaCreation is dumping it along with
> >all their other products to go full time into 3-D displaying software
> >for e-commerce.
>

> I have also read this here and there. I also have informed sources
> that this is a rumor and complete nonsense. I wonder what is true?
>
> Do you have any reliable source which indicates that they are giving
> up their graphics stuff? Did you see any written matter to confirm
> this? Any articles in computer papers? I've only read about it in the
> fractal painter conference.
>
> BTW FP6 is very buggy.

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <2y0t4.37319$0p1.9...@news4.giganews.com>, Kay
<scarl...@theriver.com> writes

>First year and second year are VERY different! I think first year looks
>more like the more recent work. Were you in love or something the second
>year? Where in the heck are the Third year images?

On the contrary. In the Second Year I had so many medical and emotional
problems that during a tutorial where the lecturer was trashing my work,
I just burst into tears ! He told me to take a vacation ...... so I went
to Chile for three weeks and used up all of my student loan for that
year ! I think it was the light in Chile that made me change direction
at that time. Incidentally, there is something of that old work coming
into my current paintings - the blocking out and hiding things at the
back. I would have probably carried on working like that in the Third
Year but my father died on the first day of term and everything went
very dark after that. Anyway, there are a couple of links to the page
but I will make them more obvious ;-)

http://www.homestead.com/raimes/DegreWork2.html

>
>They sure are Tiny!
>
Isn't it strange looking at the actual size ? we are so used to viewing
images at that scale its hard to adjust vision to cope.

>Kay
>http://KayKane.homestead.com
>(under construction cuz I messed it up by accident!)

I noticed ! Lots of the links don't work - I couldn't move forward from
the first image in New Work and got lots of *not found* error messages.
What happened ? The good news is that the thumbnails downloaded in a
flash this morning so it might be a traffic problem that slows them
down.

Keep at it !

[Alison A Raimes]

In article <38b5ab99...@news.psi.ca>, mdeli <hug...@interlog.com>
writes

>Haber who avoids looking at good drawing unless he runs into the likes
>of Ingres and can't help himself, imagines that Allison's sort of
>modern art school schmier constitutes fine drawing. Apparently he has
>never seen a good street portraitist.

I really do admire those street portraitist. Unfortunately you rarely
see one who is diverging from the accepted *norm*. They are like robots,
churning out what their sitter wants to see. But if they can make a
living at it then you have to take your hat off to them. Its takes a lot
of practise and time spent to get to the stage where you can produce a
likeness in a few minutes. As for my drawings, I certainly have not
claimed they are *good* drawings. They are done while watching TV -
doodles no less. I've got a sketch book full of such things. So please,
Mani, don't imply that this has anything to do with what I consider
*good drawing* to be - its just like walking the dog to me - a pleasant
exercise that focuses the mind on something other than the norm.

>
>Of course, Haber can't help it, he suffers from a bad case of advanced
>Picasso Eye.

Ha ! I feel another drawing coming on .... watch this space
http://raimes.homestead.com/SketchBook.html

[mdeli]

[mdeli]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:17:57 GMT, jha...@haberarts.com (John Haber)
wrote:

>Alison:

>>and there are some sketches of John just to embarrass him (and me) !
>
>Don't let Mani see them. You'll spoil his fun. Evil modernists can't
>draw, remember?

Gee Zombie Haber really spoiled my fun. Lament lament.

Allison's portraits do look somewhat round. She is slowly catching up
to the worst street corner portraitist in the mall.

Haber who avoids looking at good drawing unless he runs into the likes
of Ingres and can't help himself, imagines that Allison's sort of
modern art school schmier constitutes fine drawing. Apparently he has
never seen a good street portraitist.

Of course, Haber can't help it, he suffers from a bad case of advanced
Picasso Eye.

Mani DeLi

[Erik A. Mattila]

> On another subject, you mentioned the wonderful LAPD in a past
> message. Wonder what you are thinking now. Can you still take your
> case against them? Are you writing any letters to the FBI?

I don't remember that one??? I can't think of anything I may have posted
about the LAPD. I vaguely remember mentioning that I got robbed by the San
Francisco PD once, many moons ago. It that's what you're refering to? I
didn't take any action other than getting out of town by SunDown (after
refering the matter to Dirty Harry).

Erik

>
>
> I believe that the stupid drug laws in the US are corrupting the whole
> judicial system. Its getting to be like Prohibition times. I always
> wonder why no one asks what happens to all those drugs and dealer
> assets after they are ceased. The biggest drug dealers are probably
> the police and the government.
>
> If I were into crime I sure wouldn't join the Mafia if I could get
> into the Police department.

[mdeli]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:21:17 GMT, "Erik A. Mattila"
<emat...@tomatoweb.com> wrote:

>Unfortunately it is true. Here's a link to MetaCreations' announcement:
>
>http://www.metatools.com/letter.html
>
>But I've also read that MetaCreations doesn't own some of their flagship
>products outright, and the owners can certainly continue devlopment under
>other auspices. Applications like Painter, Bryce and Poser have been
>commercially successful, so there's no reason to suppose some other
>company will pick up production on these products. I wouldn't be
>surprised if Adobe buys KPT, for example (I haven't read this anywhere,
>it just makes sense to me.)
>
>What's interesting about this is that the company is placing all their
>bets in e-commerce, and willing to completely focus on MetaStream
>technology. I guess the days of the traditional storefront are numbered.
>
>Erik

Thanks for the info.

On another subject, you mentioned the wonderful LAPD in a past
message. Wonder what you are thinking now. Can you still take your
case against them? Are you writing any letters to the FBI?

I believe that the stupid drug laws in the US are corrupting the whole

[mdeli]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:27:23 +0000, Alison A Raimes
<ali...@see.signature.for.address> wrote:

>In article <38b5ab99...@news.psi.ca>, mdeli <hug...@interlog.com>
>writes
>

>>Haber who avoids looking at good drawing unless he runs into the likes
>>of Ingres and can't help himself, imagines that Allison's sort of
>>modern art school schmier constitutes fine drawing. Apparently he has
>>never seen a good street portraitist.
>

>I really do admire those street portraitist. Unfortunately you rarely
>see one who is diverging from the accepted *norm*. They are like robots,
>churning out what their sitter wants to see.

Unlike a robotlike like you who couldn't possibly do what the viewer
wants.

> But if they can make a
>living at it then you have to take your hat off to them. Its takes a lot
>of practise and time spent to get to the stage where you can produce a
>likeness in a few minutes. As for my drawings, I certainly have not
>claimed they are *good* drawings. They are done while watching TV -
>doodles no less. I've got a sketch book full of such things.

Throw it away. Your paintings are no less than doodles either.

> So please,
>Mani, don't imply that this has anything to do with what I consider
>*good drawing* to be - its just like walking the dog to me - a pleasant
>exercise that focuses the mind on something other than the norm.
>
>>

>>Of course, Haber can't help it, he suffers from a bad case of advanced
>>Picasso Eye.
>

>Ha ! I feel another drawing coming on .... watch this space
>http://raimes.homestead.com/SketchBook.html
>

Can't wait!