Art School
Philip Ayers
In article <6jaopd$k4i$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, abyw...@bidmc.harvard.edu wrote:
: > Just a couple of questions out of interest and curiosity.
: >
: > 1. Does anyone out there know of either a fine arts or graphic arts school
: > that's cooperative - in that you get a job at an art-related company which
: > counts as credit towards the degree you're earning in your night classes?
: > (There's an architectural school in Boston that works this way.)
: >
: > 2. How do you all feel about art school? Have you been? Did you learn a lot?
: > Was it worth the money?
: >
: > Thanks,
: >
: > Alexis
Depends on what you expect. My guess is that most people start with
certain assumption about what they will learn, only to realize that the
issues change and it isn't at all what they expected. Most of the art
schools don't except work experience as a substitute for class room study.
Why ? It would probably make sense for some of the design area
requirements and many students do work for professors on projects which
may count for independent study or something like that or even a
requirement for a final real world project. If you are a student now at
Harvard? take a coures at the Design School or if not take one from the
extention school @ the Design School or try Mass. Art which is very good
. Also the Museum school is good. RISD is very good for design and only
40 miles down the road.
If you're working now as a designer and only want the paper to say you got
the Design degree, I can't imagine why you'd waste a dime on this kinda
thing because It's worthless.
Philip (never Phil) Ayers
http://www.mindspring.com/~p.ayers/
p.a...@mindspring.com.
abyw...@bidmc.harvard.edu
Just a couple of questions out of interest and curiosity.
1. Does anyone out there know of either a fine arts or graphic arts school
that's cooperative - in that you get a job at an art-related company which
counts as credit towards the degree you're earning in your night classes?
(There's an architectural school in Boston that works this way.)
2. How do you all feel about art school? Have you been? Did you learn a lot?
Was it worth the money?
Thanks,
Alexis
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Scorch013
Humm, the corcoran school of art in dc seems to be a good place for you, except
the work internetship thing is only in the junior and senior year.
I would save the money and dont go to art school. Its really up to you, if your
portfolio is good, you can get a job, if you know you are good you dont need
credibility..
Ricardo Pontes
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mdeli
On 13 May 1998 22:52:57 GMT, scor...@aol.com (Scorch013) wrote:
>
>I would save the money and dont go to art school. Its really up to you, if your
>portfolio is good, you can get a job, if you know you are good you dont need
>credibility..
This is even better then my old advice which I will repeat below.
Most art schools produce failures because they are run by failures.
However if you look carefully there is a chance that you can find
something worth while.
Here are some suggestion to students when they try to find a school.
- Don't attend a school without first seeing the work of its students.
Ask yourself whether they can do something that you can't do. Then ask
yourself whether they can do something you want to do. Make sure you
feel that the student work is superior to yours. If you feel you can
do better work than the teacher or his students, forget it.
-Never blindly imitate a teacher to gain approval. If good grades are
dependent on this, as is often the case, get out of there fast.
Fooling the teacher amounts to fooling yourself. Good grades or
certificates from prestigious art schools will not help you in the
long run. Unless you have spectacular connections, you will be judged
solely by the quality of your work.
-If your teacher is extremely nice, utterly charming and glamorous,
always remember that this is no criterion for judgment. Never blindly
commit yourself to a teacher.
-Always keep an eye on what others are doing; other students can often
teach you more than the instructors.
-Try to get work in your field if you can, even while attending
school. Even if it is lowly work you will most likely learn much about
your profession which you can't get in school. Cash in on your
abilities as early as you can.
-Leave school as soon as you feel that you have acquired the knowledge
you needed to become professional or find that you aren't improving
any more. Remember that except for inmates, who are committed to these
institutions for life, school is a temporary state of affairs.
Remember, the more incompetent artists there are, the more work and
better living for the competent ones.
Mani DeLi
...no skill no art
--
Mani DeLi
...no skill no art
Check out my webpage to see some of my work and a Skeptical View of Modern Art at: http://www.interlog.com/~hugod
Norman Strand~
This may seem obvious but one of the advantages to art school is that you can try
various media without buying all of the equipment. If you want to try
printmakeing, or weaving there are schools that will allow you to use there
equipment for less that what it would cost you to buy it and try it.
Norman Strand
This is not the opinion of intel corp.
In article <355C4ACA...@student.uq.edu.au>, Iian Neill <s36...@student.uq.edu.au> writes:
|> > 1. Does anyone out there know of either a fine arts or graphic arts school
|> > that's cooperative - in that you get a job at an art-related company which
|> > counts as credit towards the degree you're earning in your night classes?
|> > (There's an architectural school in Boston that works this way.)
|>
|> It depends on what kind of art instruction you want. If you're after an
|> education in the sound principles of art-making espoused by certain greats of
|> the 19th century (read: Gerome, Bouguereau, etc.) then there are very few
|> institutions present today that cater for that. The American Society for
|> Classical Realism is one ... but there are others too.
|>
|> > 2. How do you all feel about art school? Have you been? Did you learn a lot?
|> > Was it worth the money?
|>
|> Art school (being university) was a waste of two years of my life. I received no
|> education in technique; instead I was merely harrassed into towing the
|> Post-Modernist line - which is why I ended up leaving. Fate moves in mysterious
|> ways, though. I bumped into a pupil of Pietro Annigoni not too long ago, and
|> perhaps something may happen on that front ...
|>
|> Regards,
|>
|> Iian Neill.
|>
|>
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Iian Neill
mdeli
>Art school (being university) was a waste of two years of my life. I received no
>education in technique; instead I was merely harrassed into towing the
>Post-Modernist line - which is why I ended up leaving. Fate moves in mysterious
>ways, though. I bumped into a pupil of Pietro Annigoni not too long ago, and
>perhaps something may happen on that front ...
ART SCHOOL ( older message repeated those who haven't seen it)
For all those students who sincerely believe that learning skill and
technique is of no importance I have taken the liberty of renaming and
describing some of the important courses offered to them by their
favorite Modern Art Academy.
Note:
By the time you finish your training you will be a certified ARTIST
and you will get a coveted certificate to prove that you completed the
curriculum in Failure for Beginners. If you have lots of money and
time to waste you can now proceed to study Failure for Advanced
Students
Drawing courses should be renamed Paper Dirtying.
-You will be expected to produce one realistic drawing of an egg in
order to convince yourself that you have mastered realism and then
proceed to more serious stuff. Here you can smear away on large
newsprint pads. You will be taught all methods of how to excuse the
academic errors and the little sloppinesses you produce, as
experimental distortions.
Design courses should be called "Kindergarten Theory for slow
learners."
-Here you will learn all those modern academic techniques including
advanced dripping flipping and snipping. Although students have been
doing this for the last fifty years you will be given the impression
that this is all very new, highly creative and important.
Art history should be called "Art Mythology."
-Here you will learn that all past art merely anticipated the
Impressionists whose evangelical struggle to overcome their evil
enemies led to the glories of Avant Garde Modern Academic Art which
is presently admired by anyone who claims intellectual grace.
Painting courses should be called "Canvas Alteration." (course
requirement-the above three courses)
-Here you will learn the latest methods of how to convince yourself
that your product enhanced by your lack of drawing skills, is an all
new, very serious, self expression which was designed to exhibit
honesty, sincerity and emotion rather than any useless technique. VERY
NICE teachers will instruct you in accomplishing this.
I have always suggested a new course called "Artspeak One." This would
crystalize the ideas in all the above courses.
-Besides sharpening your illogical abilities and a mastery at spewing
mystical babble, mastery of this course will teach you how oppose any
detractors by dropping cryptic terms.
The latest issues of the most prominent Artzy Fartzy magazines will be
required reading with great attention to the lingo used to describe
the masterpieces therein. The public dangers of anything labeled as
kitsch, commercial and illustration will be discussed in lectures by
important guest critics.
At term’s end you will be examined on your abilities to analyze the
ethereal essences of Mondrian in at least ten thousand words or more.
Mastery of this course should enable you to defend Abstract
Expressionist work against any and all negativism’s.
PS
I suppose my detractors here will write the usual stuff about my
"ranting negativism." I sincerely advise them to consult any
unrecognized, technically inept disgruntled genius graduate who failed
to win the Modern Academic Art lottery and listen to his extensive
ranting negativism about art and money lack of recognition.