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Matt Marshall

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Dec 19, 2002, 3:23:34 PM12/19/02
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I've popped back onto RADW with a slightly Who-related Christmas gift. Pop
along to my site at www.jagaroth.co.uk and behold the GLORY


Erm... yes....


JerryD

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Dec 19, 2002, 3:22:55 PM12/19/02
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Best Holiday wishes to you as well, matt!

it's uh..nice to know you aren't gay.
or something.

The Doctor

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Macfadyan

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>Matt Marshal

>
>I've popped back onto RADW with a slightly Who-related Christmas gift. Pop
>along to my site at www.jagaroth.co.uk and behold the GLORY
>
>

Matt, my friend, you really need to get out more.
<chuckles>

Sadly, I know some people who'd actually quite happily have that as a proper
calende. They're not gay either.
I always rememeber Jeremy Bentham issuing dire warnings to young Who fans about
the perils of being surrounded by female Blake's Seven fans at the One Tun.
Poor man. It happened to him, you know...
You think that pic at the start of The Key To Time is from a younger relative?
It was done by him after a particulary scary encounter with "Avon's Angels".
He was a changed man, believe me...

:)

Mac,
http://www.staggeringstories.net

Instrumental Break....

"You can hear the whole of Human history in the sound of a cello" - H.Bishop.
"You can hear the whole of humanities future in the sound of a kazoo!" -
A.J.Purcell

Auntie Krizu

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Dec 20, 2002, 12:44:42 PM12/20/02
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"Matt Marshall" <ma...@jagaroth.freeserve.co.uk> kirjoitti viestissä
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> I've popped back onto RADW with a slightly Who-related Christmas gift. Pop
> along to my site at www.jagaroth.co.uk and behold the GLORY

And hilarious it is;). Cheers.

Auntie Krizu (just delurking quickly!)


Ron Hines

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Dec 20, 2002, 12:46:47 PM12/20/02
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Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> Auntie Krizu (just delurking quickly!)

Oooohhh... now that's something I like to see about the place -- a bit of
mystery...

--
RH
**
"One little prick and it'll all be over. Then they cut my c*ck off."


Auntie Krizu

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Dec 20, 2002, 12:50:18 PM12/20/02
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"Macfadyan" <macf...@aol.comBibble> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Sadly, I know some people who'd actually quite happily have that as a proper
> calende. They're not gay either.

*snerk* as a relatively new B7 fan, I am not surprised... but you should see
some of the things the fans can produce. Quite amazing. Just take a look at this
site, some funny Xmas things there:

http://homepage.mac.com/shelobmarian/

(she's mad!)

> I always rememeber Jeremy Bentham issuing dire warnings to young Who fans
about
> the perils of being surrounded by female Blake's Seven fans at the One Tun.
> Poor man. It happened to him, you know...
> You think that pic at the start of The Key To Time is from a younger relative?
> It was done by him after a particulary scary encounter with "Avon's Angels".
> He was a changed man, believe me...

And somehow, hearing all these stories, it doesn't surprise me anymore that I
became such a rabid B7/Avon fan this summer. Kind of a natural progress of
ever-deepening perversity, or something.

Auntie Krizu(:>) (going back to lurkdom soon, honest...)


Auntie Krizu

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Dec 20, 2002, 12:57:55 PM12/20/02
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"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:atvkse$kgh$1...@news1.songnet.fi
>
> > Auntie Krizu (just delurking quickly!)
>
> Oooohhh... now that's something I like to see about the place -- a bit of
> mystery...

So you're a newbie, then?:) Sorry to disappoint you, but Auntie's Rabid Rambles
have mostly moved on to less troll-infested areas:).

Ah, dammit, who the fuck am I fooling? Posting like mad again... argh! RADW is
sucking me in! Heelp! I'll *try* to refrain from any pervy posts... honest. I am
proud to have resisted the temptation to comment on Pertwee Porn. And the
creative uses of 4th Doc scarves in sexual roleplay. See? See?

..oh, *dammit*.

*thwacks self on head with Fwapper of Rassilon*

Auntie Krizu(:>) (there's no escape! WAAH!)


Ron Hines

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Dec 20, 2002, 12:57:39 PM12/20/02
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Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> *snerk* as a relatively new B7 fan, I am not surprised... but you should
see
> some of the things the fans can produce. Quite amazing. Just take a look
at this
> site, some funny Xmas things there:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/shelobmarian/

I've just been looking through this, and... well, am I really seeing pics of
Avon & and Tarrant posing on the beach in their skimpys?

No... no, that's... that's not right. I shouldn't be looking at things when
I'm so young and impressionable.

> (she's mad!)

Yes, I rather think you are. ; )

Ron Hines

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Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> "Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
> > Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message

> So you're a newbie, then?:) Sorry to disappoint you, but Auntie's Rabid


Rambles
> have mostly moved on to less troll-infested areas:).

I'm sort've a newbie, but not completely. I've lurked here on a very
occasional basis since mid-1998, but I must have missed the period in which
you were posting regularly. I'm going to have to Google back, aren't I?

> Ah, dammit, who the fuck am I fooling? Posting like mad again... argh!
RADW is
> sucking me in! Heelp!

You are one of us... one of us... one of us...

> I'll *try* to refrain from any pervy posts... honest.

No, this place *needs* as much pervy stuff as it can get. Although, I'm
having difficulty ridding myself of the image of Avon in tanga briefs. ; )

JerryD

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Dec 20, 2002, 1:06:44 PM12/20/02
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> No, this place *needs* as much pervy stuff as it can get.

It does? In that case, I'll be posting my script for 'Rimjob of the
Daleks' ASAP. ;)

Ron Hines

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Dec 20, 2002, 1:13:08 PM12/20/02
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JerryD <def...@clone.ca> wrote in message news:3E035C34...@clone.ca...

>
> > No, this place *needs* as much pervy stuff as it can get.
>
> It does? In that case, I'll be posting my script for 'Rimjob of the
> Daleks' ASAP. ;)

Feel free to do so, Jerr, but remember -- if mine eye offends me, I'm liable
to track down the bastard responsible, and beat him into submission.

In a friendly way, of course.

JerryD

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Dec 20, 2002, 1:16:00 PM12/20/02
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>
> Feel free to do so, Jerr, but remember -- if mine eye offends me, I'm liable
> to track down the bastard responsible, and beat him into submission.
>
> In a friendly way, of course.
>

I thought the saying was supposed to be 'pluck it out' ?
;)

Ron Hines

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Dec 20, 2002, 1:41:01 PM12/20/02
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Oh, didn't you hear? Peter Anghelides erased the old bible and introduced a
new one in which Jesus can't remember his mission statement, God, Heaven and
the Angels never existed, and the general thrust of the _Book of
Revelations_ as that more time should be devoted to better landscape
gardening.

So, no.

Auntie Krizu

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"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:atvl6v$klb$1...@news1.songnet.fi...
>
> > *snerk* as a relatively new B7 fan, I am not surprised... but you should
> see
> > some of the things the fans can produce. Quite amazing. Just take a look
> at this
> > site, some funny Xmas things there:
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/shelobmarian/
>
> I've just been looking through this, and... well, am I really seeing pics of
> Avon & and Tarrant posing on the beach in their skimpys?
>
> No... no, that's... that's not right. I shouldn't be looking at things when
> I'm so young and impressionable.
>
> > (she's mad!)
>
> Yes, I rather think you are. ; )

Poor lamb. You haven't seen what sort of photomanipulations *I* make of those
guys. Mwhahaha!

Here's one from the more tame end:

http://koti.phnet.fi/lagopus/blakeavonflame2.jpg

So *there*.

Auntie Krizu(:>)


JerryD

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Dec 20, 2002, 1:53:26 PM12/20/02
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>>
>>I thought the saying was supposed to be 'pluck it out' ?
>>;)
>
>
> Oh, didn't you hear? Peter Anghelides erased the old bible and introduced a
> new one in which Jesus can't remember his mission statement, God, Heaven and
> the Angels never existed, and the general thrust of the _Book of
> Revelations_ as that more time should be devoted to better landscape
> gardening.
>

Well that explains all the stuff in the Bible about why Witchcraft and
Magic is EEEEVIL, anyway.

Auntie Krizu

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"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message

> I'm sort've a newbie, but not completely. I've lurked here on a very


> occasional basis since mid-1998, but I must have missed the period in which
> you were posting regularly. I'm going to have to Google back, aren't I?

Don't, please, if only for the sake of your sanity. Plus, there is plenty of
nastiness and flamewars there as well--I had to leave for the sake of *my*
sanity! Now it seems safe to start posting again...

> > Ah, dammit, who the fuck am I fooling? Posting like mad again... argh!
> RADW is
> > sucking me in! Heelp!
>
> You are one of us... one of us... one of us...

No... no... ah, but get the Master to say that, and maybe I'll succumb
completely...

> > I'll *try* to refrain from any pervy posts... honest.
>
> No, this place *needs* as much pervy stuff as it can get. Although, I'm
> having difficulty ridding myself of the image of Avon in tanga briefs. ; )

As I said, you are a poor innocent lamb;). I'll not inflict my hardcore
Blake/Avon images on you then...;) *slaps herself*

Auntie Krizu(:>)


Ron Hines

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Dec 20, 2002, 2:16:56 PM12/20/02
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Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> Poor lamb. You haven't seen what sort of photomanipulations *I* make of
those
> guys. Mwhahaha!
>
> Here's one from the more tame end:
>
> http://koti.phnet.fi/lagopus/blakeavonflame2.jpg

Oh. My. God.

> So *there*.

Y'know, I was expecting you to turn out to be some bizarre fella, but I've
just popped into the RADW Rogues Gallery, and it seems you're... not.
*Gosh*.

Hang on, are you the kind of mad woman who writes slash?

Ron Hines

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Dec 20, 2002, 2:18:20 PM12/20/02
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JerryD <def...@clone.ca> wrote in message news:3E036726...@clone.ca

> Well that explains all the stuff in the Bible about why Witchcraft and
> Magic is EEEEVIL, anyway.

Yet again, we reach the point where you stop making sense.

Go. Away.

Ron Hines

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Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> "Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
> > Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote

> > You are one of us... one of us... one of us...
>
> No... no... ah, but get the Master to say that, and maybe I'll succumb
> completely...

_Freaks (1932)_ reference, yes?

> > > I'll *try* to refrain from any pervy posts... honest.
> >
> > No, this place *needs* as much pervy stuff as it can get. Although, I'm
> > having difficulty ridding myself of the image of Avon in tanga briefs.
; )
>
> As I said, you are a poor innocent lamb;).

I've been trying to establish a reputation as the RADW hard man, but you've
just demolished my attempt in one fell swoop. I am undone. : (

> I'll not inflict my hardcore
> Blake/Avon images on you then...;) *slaps herself*

Oh, you must slap yourself! Please, I consider myself to be an
old-fashioned, chivalrous sort of a chap, so allow me to do it for you.
*slaps Krizu*

There. Any time you feel the need for another, don't hesitate to ask. : )

Hmm, I suppose I should offer you a sample of my own work. Perhaps the zygon
poetry and Bowie rip-off might be best. Follow the URLs (if you dare).

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A59A257D2

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2BA127D2

JerryD

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Dec 20, 2002, 2:39:23 PM12/20/02
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Ron Hines wrote:
> JerryD <def...@clone.ca> wrote in message news:3E036726...@clone.ca
>
>
>>Well that explains all the stuff in the Bible about why Witchcraft and
>>Magic is EEEEVIL, anyway.
>
>
> Yet again, we reach the point where you stop making sense.
>
> Go. Away.
>


So which one haven't you read? The Ancestor Cell or the Bible? ;)

Ron Hines

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JerryD <def...@clone.ca> wrote in message news:3E0371EB...@clone.ca...

> So which one haven't you read? The Ancestor Cell or the Bible? ;)

The first. Now, I dimly recall something about there being magic in the new
books...

Pete Galey

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"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> wrote in message
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> Hmm, I suppose I should offer you a sample of my own work. Perhaps the
zygon
> poetry and Bowie rip-off might be best. Follow the URLs (if you dare).
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?A59A257D2

Hmm. I must have been drinking, because after following that link to the
David Bowie song, I went and did this.

"The Rise and Fall of Pertwee Stardust and the Soldiers From Kent":

(Oh!

Oooh Yeah!)

Pertwee played the doc,
Doin' stuff with Yates and Benton,
Those chaps from UNIT. He played it quite straight,
If you don't count the frills - his general taste in clothes.
Or going "AIY!" a lot.

Pertwee really sang,
Lullabies to great big monsters,
And I don't mean Jo Grant. He could send them to sleep,
Or just get chased all day, though to the audience,
Those were much the same thing.

But where was the TARDIS?
Well, the Doc tried to fix it good.
But nasty Time Lords exiled him,
So he bitched about his race and had a rubbery face.

(Oow!

Mm.)

Pertwee knew the Brig,
Rock hard man who wore an eyepatch,
And strutted about, and often did shout,
And pointed his gun. He shot it quite a bit,
But a target never hit.

Drivin' round in his "Bessie", Pertwee stopped lots of aliens, (ah!)
Like a Mulder or Scully.
Radiation killed the Doc, it was a hell of a shock.

(Oh yeah!)

Oh, Pertwee played the Do-o-oc.


Merry Christmas, rec.arts.drwho.

Pete


JerryD

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Dec 20, 2002, 3:16:55 PM12/20/02
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>
>>So which one haven't you read? The Ancestor Cell or the Bible? ;)
>
>
> The first. Now, I dimly recall something about there being magic in the new
> books...
>

Man, you need to give me some credit every now and then..
when I'm not making sense, I'll be the first to admit it.. ;)

The Stainless Steel Cat

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Dec 20, 2002, 3:37:36 PM12/20/02
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In article <atvmjm$3u8$1...@newsreader.mailgate.org>,
"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> wrote:

>JerryD <def...@clone.ca> wrote in message news:3E035C34...@clone.ca...
>>
>> > No, this place *needs* as much pervy stuff as it can get.
>>
>> It does? In that case, I'll be posting my script for 'Rimjob of the
>> Daleks' ASAP. ;)
>
>Feel free to do so, Jerr, but remember -- if mine eye offends me, I'm liable
>to track down the bastard responsible, and beat him into submission.

If we're talking about Daleks, then the line should be;

"IF THINE EYESTALK OFFENDS THEE, SOME SQUISHED UP FOOD PASTE OR THE
DOCTOR'S CLOAK WILL COVER IT UP NICELY, NO WORRIES."
Mauve Dalek's Letters to the Movellans; Chapters 11011010-11011011

Cat.

Pete Galey

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"Auntie Krizu" <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
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> Auntie Krizu(:>) (going back to lurkdom soon, honest...)

Ooh, no, don't do that - your threads used to be among the most
entertaining. And it's ages since anyone here's had a right good perv over
Anthony Ainley. I can't for the life of me work out why.

Pete


Auntie Krizu

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"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:atvpov$mdf$1...@news1.songnet.fi
>
> > Poor lamb. You haven't seen what sort of photomanipulations *I* make of
> those
> > guys. Mwhahaha!
> >
> > Here's one from the more tame end:
> >
> > http://koti.phnet.fi/lagopus/blakeavonflame2.jpg
>
> Oh. My. God.

*evil cackle!*

> > So *there*.
>
> Y'know, I was expecting you to turn out to be some bizarre fella, but I've
> just popped into the RADW Rogues Gallery, and it seems you're... not.
> *Gosh*.
>
> Hang on, are you the kind of mad woman who writes slash?

Oh yeah.>:) I have a thing about 5thDoc/Master, I have had this slash story of
them in progress for, oh, two years:P... must finish it sometime. Mwhahaha.

Auntie Krizu(:>)


Auntie Krizu

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"Pete Galey" <pete...@yahoo.co.uk> kirjoitti viestissä
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QUOTEFILE!!!!!!!!

:)

Auntie Krizu(:>)


Auntie Krizu

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"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:atvpuo$mft$1...@news1.songnet.fi...
> > "Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä
> > > Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote
>
> > > You are one of us... one of us... one of us...
> >
> > No... no... ah, but get the Master to say that, and maybe I'll succumb
> > completely...
>
> _Freaks (1932)_ reference, yes?

No, just a DW Master reference. Dammit, lent my tape of The Time Monster to a
friend, must get it back soon so I can drool at seductive Delgado.

> I've been trying to establish a reputation as the RADW hard man, but you've
> just demolished my attempt in one fell swoop. I am undone. : (

I don't know whether to be happy or sad about that, actually:D

> > I'll not inflict my hardcore
> > Blake/Avon images on you then...;) *slaps herself*
>
> Oh, you must slap yourself! Please, I consider myself to be an
> old-fashioned, chivalrous sort of a chap, so allow me to do it for you.
> *slaps Krizu*

*grabs Ron's gauntlet and slaps him back*.

> Hmm, I suppose I should offer you a sample of my own work. Perhaps the zygon
> poetry and Bowie rip-off might be best. Follow the URLs (if you dare).

Bwhaahhaha!

Auntie Krizu(:>)


Alan S. Wales

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Dec 20, 2002, 4:52:13 PM12/20/02
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>"Auntie Krizu" ask.fo...@the.newsgroup

>>"Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com>

>> You are one of us... one of us... one of us...

>No... no... ah, but get the Master to say that, and maybe I'll succumb
>completely...

Hey Auntie, you misspelled "suck him"!

--
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The Doctor

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>
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>> I've popped back onto RADW with a slightly Who-related Christmas gift. Pop
>> along to my site at www.jagaroth.co.uk and behold the GLORY
>
>And hilarious it is;). Cheers.

>
>Auntie Krizu (just delurking quickly!)
>
>

My get to that bookmark.
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Merry Christmas 2002 and Happy 2003

The Doctor

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See you soon.

Ron Hines

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> "Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com>

> > Oh, you must slap yourself! Please, I consider myself to be an
> > old-fashioned, chivalrous sort of a chap, so allow me to do it for you.
> > *slaps Krizu*
>
> *grabs Ron's gauntlet and slaps him back*.

Ow.

--
RH
**
make a whole new religion
a falling star that you cannot live without
and i'll feed your obsessions
there is nothing but this thing that you'll never doubt
this thing that you'll never doubt

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RH
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and i'll feed your obsessions
there is nothing but this thing that you'll never doubt
this thing that you'll never doubt


Ron Hines

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[surround snip]

> Oh yeah.>:) I have a thing about 5thDoc/Master, I have had this slash
story of
> them in progress for, oh, two years:P... must finish it sometime.

No, Kriz, *don't*. Think of the children...

Ron Hines

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> "Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com> kirjoitti viestissä

> > I've been trying to establish a reputation as the RADW hard man, but


you've
> > just demolished my attempt in one fell swoop. I am undone. : (
>
> I don't know whether to be happy or sad about that, actually:D

I think it's safer just to pity me in general. Most folk 'round here do. ; )

The Doctor

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Ron Hines <rh...@saintly.com> wrote:
>Auntie Krizu <ask.fo...@the.newsgroup> wrote in message
>news:au01dr$g6$1...@news1.songnet.fi...
>> "Ron Hines" <rh...@saintly.com>
>
>> > Oh, you must slap yourself! Please, I consider myself to be an
>> > old-fashioned, chivalrous sort of a chap, so allow me to do it for you.
>> > *slaps Krizu*
>>
>> *grabs Ron's gauntlet and slaps him back*.
>
>Ow.
>

Hope your back is not buggered.

Ron Hines

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