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Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Oct 30, 2004, 8:25:24 AM10/30/04
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hi, this is hdf here, now i know a lot of you probably do not like me
and i can understand it. i have been, historically, a disruptive
influence on this board and that is something i cannot change. i can
apologise for it as i have done but i cannot change it. what i can do,
however, is behave with far more decorum and civility than i have done
before and i am attempting to do so. i hope you will see this and
recognise it.

i put my name forward recently as a moderator for the moderated board.
why did i do this ? well simply i believe that the way the board is
currently moderated is unacceptable and i wanted to be a focal point
for the protest votes for people to show their dismay at the way
things are carried out on that board.

i know i will not win the vote and i do not expect to. i know that
some of the moderators who hold grudges against me have organised
enough votes to ensure i do not get elected. so be it, that is life.
however i would appeal to you all if you are concerned about them and
their excesses to lend me your vote simply to register a protest.

i would moderate differently if i won. i do not see the role of
moderator as being anything other than being a servant of the group.
the moderators seem to think the group is accountable to them. it is
not. they are accountable to the group and should be held to account
for their actions. sadly for the majority of them it is about their
ego trip and it is a classic case of giving power, however menial, to
an insubstantial person. it becomes the focus of their lives.

compare the poor job they do on radwm to that on og. i have posted on
og under a pseudonym since june and have never had so much as a
warning or a rebuke and have posted plenty of posts that would have
been kicked on radwm for no good reason other than personal grudges..
the board is lightly moderated and the debates are fun and allowed to
flow. radwm is totally different and needs a new focus, it needs the
same approach and that is something i offer.

vote common sense, vote hdf, vote for a change.

thank you for listening to me.


http://www.geocities.com/hazelldean2000/

Winner of the RADW award for the person you would most like to meet over a cold beer.

Hazell Dean - Hi-NRG disco diva. Worship at her altar.


·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
HDF
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸
·.·

dburns

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Oct 30, 2004, 7:45:04 PM10/30/04
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"Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)"
<nicholas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:418373fd...@news.freeuk.net...


How exactly do I vote? What is the procedure?


Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Oct 31, 2004, 4:38:56 AM10/31/04
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hi burns

see below


Voting is now under way for 2004's third rec.arts.drwho.moderated
Moderator Election. The voting period extends from the original issue
of
this message on October 25th, 2004 until 17:00 GMT on November 1st,
2004.

Note that only one candidate has been nominated for the two vacant
Moderator positions. Nonetheless, this candidate must be approved by a

vote of the r.a.dw.m population, as outlined below.

HOW TO VOTE
===========
* The ballot is included at the bottom of this message. Please follow
the
instructions precisely.

* Please vote either YES, NO or ABSTAIN for the candidate. You may
also
choose not to vote for the candidate (this would have the same effect
as
a vote to abstain).

* The final tally for the candidate is defined as the number of YES
votes
he receives minus the number of NO votes he receives.

* The candidate must receive more YES votes than NO votes in order to
fill
one of the vacant moderator positions.

* Ballots should be e-mailed to the Returning Officer at

radwm...@gweep.ca

* Ballots must be e-mailed from a VALID e-mail address and must
include
the FULL NAME of the voter, or a WELL-ESTABLISHED pseudonym. A reply
will
be sent to confirm the receipt of the vote within 24 hours. If the
reply
bounces back, the ballot will not be counted. If you do not receive a
reply within 24 hours confirming the receipt of your ballot, please
contact the Returning Officer at the e-mail address above.

* Any individual may vote no more than once for the candidate. After
your
vote has been submitted, you may not change it. If you vote multiple
times, only your first vote will be counted.

* The identity of all voters, and the way in which they voted, will be
known only to the Returning Officer.

* Please e-mail any questions, comments or concerns to the Returning
Officer using the e-mail address listed above.

================ please delete everything before this line
===============
================= do not delete anything after this line
=================

Full Name:
E-mail address:

Candidate: "HDF" <nicholas...@hotmail.com>
Vote:

============================= end of ballot
============================

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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:45:04 -1000, "dburns" <dbu...@gallifrey.com>
wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/hazelldean2000/

dburns

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Oct 31, 2004, 5:06:23 AM10/31/04
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"Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)"
<nicholas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4184417...@news.freeuk.net...
> hi burns
>
> see below
>


What name are you running under? Do I just print

I vote for "your name" as moderator?


Jim Vowles

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Oct 31, 2004, 12:09:16 PM10/31/04
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"dburns" <dbu...@gallifrey.com> wrote in message news:<cm2df1$sm3$0...@pita.alt.net>...

Wouldn't matter -- the vote must come from an address on the
pre-approved poster list, or well-known alias of a poster on that
list.

HDF is almost certain to get more "no" votes, and IMO stands virtually
no chance of getting elected.

Steve Freestone

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Oct 31, 2004, 12:37:45 PM10/31/04
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On 31 Oct 2004 09:09:16 -0800, jvo...@yahoo.com (Jim Vowles) wrote:

>
>Wouldn't matter -- the vote must come from an address on the
>pre-approved poster list, or well-known alias of a poster on that
>list.
>
>HDF is almost certain to get more "no" votes, and IMO stands virtually
>no chance of getting elected.

Couple of things Jim - Shannon has just put the vote thingy back up,
and nowhere does it say that you have to be on the pre-approved poster
list (in any case, that would stop people on hand mod from voting)
just that you had to have a valid e-mail address and a valid name or
well established psedonym.

Obviously Shannon is a respected member of the newsgroups, but even
so, I would be very rarely of giving the pre-approved poster list out
to anyone (baring in mind that act could be illegal in certain
countries due to Data Protection laws) if that rule was actually
enforced.

dburns

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Oct 31, 2004, 5:27:52 PM10/31/04
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"Jim Vowles" <jvo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a312a079.0410...@posting.google.com...

> "dburns" <dbu...@gallifrey.com> wrote in message
news:<cm2df1$sm3$0...@pita.alt.net>...
> > "Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)"
> > <nicholas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4184417...@news.freeuk.net...
> > > hi burns
> > >
> > > see below
> > >
> >
> >
> > What name are you running under? Do I just print
> >
> > I vote for "your name" as moderator?
>
> Wouldn't matter -- the vote must come from an address on the
> pre-approved poster list, or well-known alias of a poster on that
> list.


Ah, that sounds like favoritism. Based on who is placed on the list and who
is not placed on the list at somebody's discretion, that can slant the
election so it predetermines the outcome.


The Doctor

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Oct 31, 2004, 7:48:09 PM10/31/04
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You have the right to say Yes or No!
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Glenn Langford

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Nov 1, 2004, 1:21:19 AM11/1/04
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In article <rj8ao01502cs3pmcq...@4ax.com>,
Steve Freestone <st...@tv-lincsDIESPAMMERS.org.ukDIESPAMMERS> wrote:

I think Jim has gotten the procedures for lodging complaints in
moderators (which require a pre-approved address) and voting (which
simply requires a valid return email address and a name or recognised
nom de plume) mixed up.

As long as dburns uses the form made available by Shannon on radwm, the
vote will count.

--
Glenn Langford
lang...@pacific.net.au

dburns

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Nov 1, 2004, 1:59:02 AM11/1/04
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"Glenn Langford" <lang...@pacific.net.au> wrote in message
news:langford-667FD7...@nasal.pacific.net.au...


The form? Where do I go to look for the form?


The Doctor

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Nov 1, 2004, 8:20:18 AM11/1/04
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In article <langford-667FD7...@nasal.pacific.net.au>,

Glenn Langford <lang...@pacific.net.au> wrote:
>
>As long as dburns uses the form made available by Shannon on radwm, the
>vote will count.
>

And is submitted accordingly.

The Doctor

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Nov 1, 2004, 8:21:00 AM11/1/04
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In article <cm4mrl$gqp$0...@pita.alt.net>, dburns <dbu...@gallifrey.com> wrote:
>
>
>The form? Where do I go to look for the form?
>
>

You might be best able to read it rec.arts.drwho.moderated .

Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Nov 3, 2004, 4:31:36 AM11/3/04
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:06:23 -1000, "dburns" <dbu...@gallifrey.com>
wrote:


where it has my name and my email address under that it says vote:,
basically you just simply append yes or no or abstain to that.

Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Nov 3, 2004, 4:31:38 AM11/3/04
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i know i have no chance of making it through. i just wanted to stand
on a principle.

On 31 Oct 2004 09:09:16 -0800, jvo...@yahoo.com (Jim Vowles) wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/hazelldean2000/

Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Nov 3, 2004, 4:31:39 AM11/3/04
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but by the sounds of things he does not.

http://www.geocities.com/hazelldean2000/

Jim Vowles

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Nov 3, 2004, 8:57:22 AM11/3/04
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"dburns" <dbu...@gallifrey.com> wrote in message news:<cm4mrl$gqp$0...@pita.alt.net>...

Ah yes, you're quite right -- got my terms mixed up, but that's what I
meant. Valid return email address and a recognized name. Of course
those on hand mod ought to be eligible to vote.

I thought you had to have posted in RADWM before, though.

> >
> > As long as dburns uses the form made available by Shannon on radwm, the
> > vote will count.
>
>
> The form? Where do I go to look for the form?

Google groups is a safe bet -- as is any newsreader that carries
RADWM.

Still, by now the point is moot, as HDF was overwhelmingly defeated,
yes?

The Doctor

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Nov 3, 2004, 10:00:25 AM11/3/04
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In article <4185d39...@news.freeuk.net>,

Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power) <nicholas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>but by the sounds of things he does not.
>
>On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 00:48:09 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>
>>In article <cm3ot8$p35$0...@pita.alt.net>, dburns <dbu...@gallifrey.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Jim Vowles" <jvo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:a312a079.0410...@posting.google.com...
>>>> "dburns" <dbu...@gallifrey.com> wrote in message
>>>news:<cm2df1$sm3$0...@pita.alt.net>...
>>>> > "Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)"
>>>> > <nicholas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:4184417...@news.freeuk.net...
>>>> > > hi burns
>>>> > >
>>>> > > see below
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > What name are you running under? Do I just print
>>>> >
>>>> > I vote for "your name" as moderator?
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't matter -- the vote must come from an address on the
>>>> pre-approved poster list, or well-known alias of a poster on that
>>>> list.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ah, that sounds like favoritism. Based on who is placed on the list and who
>>>is not placed on the list at somebody's discretion, that can slant the
>>>election so it predetermines the outcome.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>You have the right to say Yes or No!
>>--

Many said no to you.

Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Nov 5, 2004, 1:03:39 PM11/5/04
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as i expected. get over it jim-bob. you are still free to troll and
insult people with impunity.

Daleks conquer and Destroy (we shall get our Power)

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Nov 5, 2004, 1:03:40 PM11/5/04
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:00:25 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:

that is democracy.

The Doctor

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Nov 5, 2004, 5:31:36 PM11/5/04
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In article <418921e...@news.freeuk.net>,

I am happy you accept.

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