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BW
May 19, 2013, 8:50:45 AM5/19/13
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DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
THE DOCTOR: "Silence will fall when the question is asked..."
DORIUM: ""Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The
Silence are determined that the question must never be answered. The
Doctor must never reach Trenzalore."
THE DOCTOR: "I don't understand? What's it got do do with me?"
DORIUM: "The first question. The oldest question in the universe,
hidden in plain sight. Would you like to know what it is?"
DORIUM: "Doctor.. Who?"
And regarding the John Hurt Doctor, my gut feeling is that he is a
Moffat cocktease -
some abberant rogue that the current Doctor will erase in one of the
next 2 specials.
The Doctor
May 19, 2013, 8:56:00 AM5/19/13
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In article <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,
A Valeyard maybe.
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Lone Browncoat
May 19, 2013, 12:15:16 PM5/19/13
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doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
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> In article
> <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com
> >, BW <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
So, are we stuck with John Hurt or is Matt coming back?
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> In article
> <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com
> >, BW <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
Agamemnon
May 19, 2013, 12:58:53 PM5/19/13
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"BW" <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
And it was the Great Intelligence asking it.
> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
> THE DOCTOR: "Silence will fall when the question is asked..."
> DORIUM: ""Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The
> Silence are determined that the question must never be answered. The
> Doctor must never reach Trenzalore."
has to be 11th Doctor. Also the TARDIS interior was that of the 11th Doctor.
This creates problems with the Valeyard being there since he's between the
Doctor's 12th and 13th regenerations and Clara didn't see a 12th or 13th
Doctor unless the 12th is John Hurt which doesn't fit in either unless it's
his final resting place too and the 13th regeneration after John Hurt is the
good side of the Valeyard.
> THE DOCTOR: "I don't understand? What's it got do do with me?"
> DORIUM: "The first question. The oldest question in the universe,
> hidden in plain sight. Would you like to know what it is?"
> DORIUM: "Doctor.. Who?"
>
>
> And regarding the John Hurt Doctor, my gut feeling is that he is a
> Moffat cocktease -
> some abberant rogue that the current Doctor will erase in one of the
> next 2 specials.
>
Valeyard out of the Doctor's history.
The question is, what do the Zygons have to do with it?
Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older version
of Matt Smith?
Hand-of-Omega
May 19, 2013, 1:16:08 PM5/19/13
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On May 19, 11:58 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
answer", as tho some sort of Truth Effect was in play. Yet there was
no sign of such a thing. The Doctor doesn't even look like he's
struggling not to speak.
So, all the fuss the Order of the Silence kicked up was for nothing?
> > Silence are determined that the question must never be answered. The
> > Doctor must never reach Trenzalore."
>
> He obviously did if he's buried there and from the above it looks like it
> has to be 11th Doctor. Also the TARDIS interior was that of the 11th Doctor.
>
> This creates problems with the Valeyard being there since he's between the
> Doctor's 12th and 13th regenerations and Clara didn't see a 12th or 13th
> Doctor unless the 12th is John Hurt which doesn't fit in either unless it's
> his final resting place too and the 13th regeneration after John Hurt is the
> good side of the Valeyard.
>
IIRC, the Time Lords created the Valeyard, and the "between" strongly
implies that he's some sort of "Watcher" type projection. He survived
and escaped at the end of Trial of a Time Lord and hasn't been seen
since. I doubt he'd sit the Time War out, too much opportunity. But
he'd most likely outright side with the Daleks, each exploiting the
other till they can stab each other in the back. Either they got him
or he escaped...
> > THE DOCTOR: "I don't understand? What's it got do do with me?"
> > DORIUM: "The first question. The oldest question in the universe,
> > hidden in plain sight. Would you like to know what it is?"
> > DORIUM: "Doctor.. Who?"
>
> > And regarding the John Hurt Doctor, my gut feeling is that he is a
> > Moffat cocktease -
> > some abberant rogue that the current Doctor will erase in one of the
> > next 2 specials.
>
> It will probably end up with Moffat writing the John Hurt Doctor and the
> Valeyard out of the Doctor's history.
>
So far, it seems more solid than "The Next Doctor"...
> The question is, what do the Zygons have to do with it?
>
> Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older version
> of Matt Smith?
As plausible as anything, at this point. Unless they really do hire
him on as the 12 or 13th Doctor, but I strongly doubt that.
Isn't it funny, btw, that after all the talk about how he abandoned/
betrayed the name of the Doctor, the show then directly names him as
such?^^
Dex
> "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
>
> news:fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> > when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> > question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
>
> And it was the Great Intelligence asking it.
>
> > THE DOCTOR: "Silence will fall when the question is asked..."
> > DORIUM: ""Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The
>
> And the Doctor refused to answer and fell silent.
>
But see above about how no one "may speak falsely or fail to give
> news:fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> > when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> > question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
>
> And it was the Great Intelligence asking it.
>
> > THE DOCTOR: "Silence will fall when the question is asked..."
> > DORIUM: ""Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The
>
> And the Doctor refused to answer and fell silent.
>
answer", as tho some sort of Truth Effect was in play. Yet there was
no sign of such a thing. The Doctor doesn't even look like he's
struggling not to speak.
So, all the fuss the Order of the Silence kicked up was for nothing?
> > Silence are determined that the question must never be answered. The
> > Doctor must never reach Trenzalore."
>
> He obviously did if he's buried there and from the above it looks like it
> has to be 11th Doctor. Also the TARDIS interior was that of the 11th Doctor.
>
> This creates problems with the Valeyard being there since he's between the
> Doctor's 12th and 13th regenerations and Clara didn't see a 12th or 13th
> Doctor unless the 12th is John Hurt which doesn't fit in either unless it's
> his final resting place too and the 13th regeneration after John Hurt is the
> good side of the Valeyard.
>
implies that he's some sort of "Watcher" type projection. He survived
and escaped at the end of Trial of a Time Lord and hasn't been seen
since. I doubt he'd sit the Time War out, too much opportunity. But
he'd most likely outright side with the Daleks, each exploiting the
other till they can stab each other in the back. Either they got him
or he escaped...
> > THE DOCTOR: "I don't understand? What's it got do do with me?"
> > DORIUM: "The first question. The oldest question in the universe,
> > hidden in plain sight. Would you like to know what it is?"
> > DORIUM: "Doctor.. Who?"
>
> > And regarding the John Hurt Doctor, my gut feeling is that he is a
> > Moffat cocktease -
> > some abberant rogue that the current Doctor will erase in one of the
> > next 2 specials.
>
> It will probably end up with Moffat writing the John Hurt Doctor and the
> Valeyard out of the Doctor's history.
>
> The question is, what do the Zygons have to do with it?
>
> Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older version
> of Matt Smith?
him on as the 12 or 13th Doctor, but I strongly doubt that.
Isn't it funny, btw, that after all the talk about how he abandoned/
betrayed the name of the Doctor, the show then directly names him as
such?^^
Dex
Hand-of-Omega
May 19, 2013, 1:21:03 PM5/19/13
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Also, since the time of 10, the show has been saying that the Doctor
doesn't just not use his name, but that it is actively *hidden*. And
he implies that he actually *cannot* speak it at one point.
Exactly how does this work, scientifically? It sounds more like
something magic out of a fairy tale. And why must his name never be
spoken? What, exactly, does the Order of the Silence believe will
happen if it did?
Note that his name WAS spoken, even if only in telepathic communion
with the TARDIS tomb (did Clara hear it?) and...nothing happened but
the tomb opening. Is that what the Silence feared? After all,
interfering with the Doctor's timestream DID almost destroy the
universe. If so, then maybe their time was better spent fucking with
the GI rather than with the Doctor and friends...
Dex
doesn't just not use his name, but that it is actively *hidden*. And
he implies that he actually *cannot* speak it at one point.
Exactly how does this work, scientifically? It sounds more like
something magic out of a fairy tale. And why must his name never be
spoken? What, exactly, does the Order of the Silence believe will
happen if it did?
Note that his name WAS spoken, even if only in telepathic communion
with the TARDIS tomb (did Clara hear it?) and...nothing happened but
the tomb opening. Is that what the Silence feared? After all,
interfering with the Doctor's timestream DID almost destroy the
universe. If so, then maybe their time was better spent fucking with
the GI rather than with the Doctor and friends...
Dex
Agamemnon
May 19, 2013, 1:42:02 PM5/19/13
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"Hand-of-Omega" <dext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 19, 11:58 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
>
> news:fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> > when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> > question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
>
> And it was the Great Intelligence asking it.
>
> > THE DOCTOR: "Silence will fall when the question is asked..."
> > DORIUM: ""Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The
>
> And the Doctor refused to answer and fell silent.
>
<<<But see above about how no one "may speak falsely or fail to give
answer", as tho some sort of Truth Effect was in play. Yet there was
no sign of such a thing. The Doctor doesn't even look like he's
struggling not to speak.>>>
The GI was going to stop his companions hearts from beating if he spoke
> "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
>
> news:fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> > when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> > question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
>
> And it was the Great Intelligence asking it.
>
> > THE DOCTOR: "Silence will fall when the question is asked..."
> > DORIUM: ""Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The
>
> And the Doctor refused to answer and fell silent.
>
<<<But see above about how no one "may speak falsely or fail to give
answer", as tho some sort of Truth Effect was in play. Yet there was
no sign of such a thing. The Doctor doesn't even look like he's
struggling not to speak.>>>
falsely. So he either had to reveal his name or stay silent.
<<<So, all the fuss the Order of the Silence kicked up was for nothing?>>>
> The question is, what do the Zygons have to do with it?
>
> Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older
> version
> of Matt Smith?
<<<As plausible as anything, at this point. Unless they really do hire
him on as the 12 or 13th Doctor, but I strongly doubt that.
Isn't it funny, btw, that after all the talk about how he abandoned/
betrayed the name of the Doctor, the show then directly names him as
such?^^>>>
This could be an indication that it's an older 11th Doctor unless they plan
>
> Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older
> version
> of Matt Smith?
<<<As plausible as anything, at this point. Unless they really do hire
him on as the 12 or 13th Doctor, but I strongly doubt that.
Isn't it funny, btw, that after all the talk about how he abandoned/
betrayed the name of the Doctor, the show then directly names him as
such?^^>>>
on using up all the remaining regenerations, but that would contradict the
fact that it's the 11th Doctor that has his final resting place at
Trenzalore and there would seem to have been no other regenerations that
Clara saw after him. After all why would the GI stop at the 11th?
Did the GI try to kill off the Valeyard too and did Clara save him and if
the John Hurt character is the Doctor then why didn't Clara know about him
or try to save him?
I could mean that he starts out as the Doctor and then changes though the
episode and we could have a flash back sequence which shows Matt Smith aging
into John Hurt.
Agamemnon
May 19, 2013, 1:49:03 PM5/19/13
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>
> Exactly how does this work, scientifically? It sounds more like
> something magic out of a fairy tale. And why must his name never be
> spoken? What, exactly, does the Order of the Silence believe will
> happen if it did?
Timey-whimy stuff as we've seen. The ability to go down the Doctor's time
line and change everything.
>
> Note that his name WAS spoken, even if only in telepathic communion
> with the TARDIS tomb (did Clara hear it?) and...nothing happened but
> the tomb opening. Is that what the Silence feared? After all,
It's what the Doctor feared, hence him placing his tomb on Terenzalore where
no one would dare to tread.
> interfering with the Doctor's timestream DID almost destroy the
> universe. If so, then maybe their time was better spent fucking with
> the GI rather than with the Doctor and friends...
>
The Silence thought the prophecy was about their destruction "the Silence
will fall". It wasn't. It was about the Doctor remaining silent when asked
to reveal his name.
> Dex
> Also, since the time of 10, the show has been saying that the Doctor
> doesn't just not use his name, but that it is actively *hidden*. And
> he implies that he actually *cannot* speak it at one point.
All the timey-whimy stuff would have been unleashed at Trenzalore if he did.
> doesn't just not use his name, but that it is actively *hidden*. And
> he implies that he actually *cannot* speak it at one point.
>
> Exactly how does this work, scientifically? It sounds more like
> something magic out of a fairy tale. And why must his name never be
> spoken? What, exactly, does the Order of the Silence believe will
> happen if it did?
line and change everything.
>
> Note that his name WAS spoken, even if only in telepathic communion
> with the TARDIS tomb (did Clara hear it?) and...nothing happened but
> the tomb opening. Is that what the Silence feared? After all,
no one would dare to tread.
> interfering with the Doctor's timestream DID almost destroy the
> universe. If so, then maybe their time was better spent fucking with
> the GI rather than with the Doctor and friends...
>
will fall". It wasn't. It was about the Doctor remaining silent when asked
to reveal his name.
> Dex
Agamemnon
May 19, 2013, 2:16:33 PM5/19/13
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> "BW" <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
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>>
>> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
Should have seen this earlier. Fall of the Eleventh doesn't mean his death,
> "BW" <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
it means the fall of the TARDIS onto Trenzalore after the Eleventh Doctor
turned off the anti-grav.
Still this is no explanation for why Clara didn't see or try to save 12th or
13th Doctor unless the Doctor died as the 11th.
Anyway the entire story arc from series 6 and 7 is yet another example of
the lack of new ideas in the Doctor Who production team since it's exactly
the same brief that RTD was using for series 4 and the specials with David
Tennant, with Ood prophecy of the Doctor's death being replaced by the one
from the Silence.
Also thinking about Clara finding out who the Doctor was from the History of
the Time War which she read. How come she remembered those event's when this
was the same Clara in a different time line and not one of the million
fragments? Also would the Doctor's name she read be the one that the John
Hurt Doctor takes and does this mean we're going back to the Time War, and
what do the Zygon's still have to do with it?
Maybe John Hurt was chosen to play the Doctor after Eccleston declined to be
in the anniversary special, but then again why didn't they just ask Paul
McGann to reprise the Doctor instead if they're going back to the Time War
and this is an intermediate 8th to 9th Doctor regenerative state?
Stephen Wilson
May 19, 2013, 2:54:05 PM5/19/13
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their true names which are magically connected to physical nature.
Dr Who toyed with a similar idea in the Shakespeare Code.
Stephen Wilson
May 19, 2013, 3:05:05 PM5/19/13
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"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
>
> This could be an indication that it's an older 11th Doctor unless they
> plan on using up all the remaining regenerations, but that would
> contradict the fact that it's the 11th Doctor that has his final resting
> place at Trenzalore and there would seem to have been no other
> regenerations that Clara saw after him. After all why would the GI stop at
> the 11th?
>
> Did the GI try to kill off the Valeyard too and did Clara save him and if
> the John Hurt character is the Doctor then why didn't Clara know about him
> or try to save him?
>
> I could mean that he starts out as the Doctor and then changes though the
> episode and we could have a flash back sequence which shows Matt Smith
> aging into John Hurt.
No we couldn't. Matt Smith, as the 11th Doctor, clearly knew all about the
>
> This could be an indication that it's an older 11th Doctor unless they
> plan on using up all the remaining regenerations, but that would
> contradict the fact that it's the 11th Doctor that has his final resting
> place at Trenzalore and there would seem to have been no other
> regenerations that Clara saw after him. After all why would the GI stop at
> the 11th?
>
> Did the GI try to kill off the Valeyard too and did Clara save him and if
> the John Hurt character is the Doctor then why didn't Clara know about him
> or try to save him?
>
> I could mean that he starts out as the Doctor and then changes though the
> episode and we could have a flash back sequence which shows Matt Smith
> aging into John Hurt.
Hurt Doctor. Therefore he's not some kind of future Doctor. He's a forgotten
past Doctor.
Agamemnon
May 19, 2013, 3:18:07 PM5/19/13
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know about the John Hurt Doctor from his memories as the 10th when they were
all together.
Monsieur Tabernac
May 19, 2013, 3:33:52 PM5/19/13
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own timeline and therefore knowledge of his future selves (not without
precedent: "All teeth and curls."). However, Clara says "I never saw
that one. I saw all of you. Eleven faces, all of them you. You're
the eleventh Doctor."
Are we supposed to infer that the current Doctor is the last???
Stephen Wilson
May 19, 2013, 3:51:03 PM5/19/13
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through.
So far the new series has completely avoided the topic of a limit of 12
regenerations. And even if it had mentioned this, 12 regenerations = 13
Doctors.
My own interpretation is that the Great Intelligence, and therefore Clara
also, only went back through the Doctor's life, not forward. And they were
doing it from the perspective of the 11th Doctor's present.
I think the Hurt Doctor is a version of the Doctor who didn't call himself
"Doctor" and was rejected by the Doctor himself when he regenerated. So
while Hartnell was the original, Troughton the 1st regeneration, Pertwee the
2nd, etc. then Matt Smith is the 11th Doctor but also the 11th regeneration,
therefore the 12th incarnation. What happened between the 8th and 9th
Doctors is unknown - so Hurt is presumably the Doctor's 9th incarnation.
The Doctor
May 19, 2013, 4:30:42 PM5/19/13
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In article <XnsA1C58782CDF81...@78.46.70.116>,
Both and Tennant are showing up for the 50th Anniversary special.
AC
May 19, 2013, 6:20:34 PM5/19/13
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Doctor. "It" must be some one, or something else. The Doctor not Doctor.
--
AC
AC
May 19, 2013, 6:22:07 PM5/19/13
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Hand-of-Omega wrote:
> Also, since the time of 10, the show has been saying that the Doctor
> doesn't just not use his name, but that it is actively *hidden*. And
> he implies that he actually *cannot* speak it at one point.
>
> Exactly how does this work, scientifically? It sounds more like
> something magic out of a fairy tale.
What, like a TARDIS?
> Also, since the time of 10, the show has been saying that the Doctor
> doesn't just not use his name, but that it is actively *hidden*. And
> he implies that he actually *cannot* speak it at one point.
>
> Exactly how does this work, scientifically? It sounds more like
> something magic out of a fairy tale.
--
AC
Your Name
May 19, 2013, 9:26:46 PM5/19/13
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In article <Tecmt.10129$Ve3....@newsfe12.iad>, AC <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I think we're meant to infer that Moffat hasn't really thought this one
> through.
>
> So far the new series has completely avoided the topic of a limit of 12
> regenerations. And even if it had mentioned this, 12 regenerations = 13
> Doctors.
>
> My own interpretation is that the Great Intelligence, and therefore Clara
> also, only went back through the Doctor's life, not forward. And they were
> doing it from the perspective of the 11th Doctor's present.
Showing future versions of the Doctor gets messy. If they show someone who
>
> I think we're meant to infer that Moffat hasn't really thought this one
> through.
>
> So far the new series has completely avoided the topic of a limit of 12
> regenerations. And even if it had mentioned this, 12 regenerations = 13
> Doctors.
>
> My own interpretation is that the Great Intelligence, and therefore Clara
> also, only went back through the Doctor's life, not forward. And they were
> doing it from the perspective of the 11th Doctor's present.
is meant to be the 12th Doctor, and then actors leaving means they get to
number 12, then they're either stuck using a by then older looking actor
or a different actor ... either way it doesn't fit with what was shown
before.
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Dave Arnold
May 20, 2013, 6:04:22 AM5/20/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 19:52:49 -0700
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l6...@4ax.com>,
> Then the show decided they wanted him back, so without any
> explanation, he takes over a body and continues. The last Doctor will
> be when BBC drops the show and no one takes over; until then the show
> will always come up with a way to keep him alive.
There was an explanation though. The Master was on Traken to acquire
the Source - which he did, albeit briefly. He used this to take over
the body of Tremas when the Source was taken from him.
All of the times where extended regenerations have been granted have
involved subverting a power source that would have drastic consequences
on the people around it, so it wouldn't be something that the Doctor
would choose to do voluntarily.
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l6...@4ax.com>,
> Monsieur Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are we supposed to infer that the current Doctor is the last???
>
> We saw the last of the Master after he used up all his regenerations.
>
> > Are we supposed to infer that the current Doctor is the last???
>
> Then the show decided they wanted him back, so without any
> explanation, he takes over a body and continues. The last Doctor will
> be when BBC drops the show and no one takes over; until then the show
> will always come up with a way to keep him alive.
There was an explanation though. The Master was on Traken to acquire
the Source - which he did, albeit briefly. He used this to take over
the body of Tremas when the Source was taken from him.
All of the times where extended regenerations have been granted have
involved subverting a power source that would have drastic consequences
on the people around it, so it wouldn't be something that the Doctor
would choose to do voluntarily.
Brian
May 20, 2013, 6:48:40 AM5/20/13
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choice.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
May 20, 2013, 6:48:41 AM5/20/13
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should be played by an older actor.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
May 20, 2013, 6:48:43 AM5/20/13
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Like I keep saying the part should be played by an older actor.
Maybe it will be like the original series.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
May 20, 2013, 6:57:16 AM5/20/13
to
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l6...@4ax.com>,
> Monsieur Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l6...@4ax.com>,
> Monsieur Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are we supposed to infer that the current Doctor is the last???
>
>
> We saw the last of the Master after he used up all his regenerations. Then the
> show decided they wanted him back, so without any explanation, he takes over a
> body and continues. The last Doctor will be when BBC drops the show and no one
> takes over; until then the show will always come up with a way to keep him alive.
I agree. What is the current doctor who had an accident and died in real
> show decided they wanted him back, so without any explanation, he takes over a
> body and continues. The last Doctor will be when BBC drops the show and no one
> takes over; until then the show will always come up with a way to keep him alive.
life then they would need another actor to replace him. The good thing
about science fiction is that anything is possible.
--
Regards Brian
Brian
May 20, 2013, 6:57:17 AM5/20/13
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They have to bend the rules somewhere to keep the show going.
--
Regards Brian
Ross
May 20, 2013, 7:28:34 AM5/20/13
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On May 19, 2:16 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> news:H6Wdne0PTO1RmQTM...@eclipse.net.uk...
>
>
>
> > "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
remember things from later in the Doctor's life than the point that's
his present
> "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>
> news:H6Wdne0PTO1RmQTM...@eclipse.net.uk...
>
>
>
> > "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
> >news:fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
>
> Should have seen this earlier. Fall of the Eleventh doesn't mean his death,
> it means the fall of the TARDIS onto Trenzalore after the Eleventh Doctor
> turned off the anti-grav.
>
> Still this is no explanation for why Clara didn't see or try to save 12th or
> 13th Doctor unless the Doctor died as the 11th.
>
Maybe it's just that the version of Clara we meet at the end can't
>
> >> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
>
> Should have seen this earlier. Fall of the Eleventh doesn't mean his death,
> it means the fall of the TARDIS onto Trenzalore after the Eleventh Doctor
> turned off the anti-grav.
>
> Still this is no explanation for why Clara didn't see or try to save 12th or
> 13th Doctor unless the Doctor died as the 11th.
>
remember things from later in the Doctor's life than the point that's
his present
Ross
May 20, 2013, 7:31:08 AM5/20/13
to
half of the season having textures over the logo based on the content
of the story, or the dateline intertitles being rendered as 3d-objects
inside the world (Like when the camera flies over the text "North
Pole, 1983" in Cold War). This time, it's like Matt insists that Hurt
isn't The Doctor, and the fourth wall comes crashing down to shout "Oh
yes he is!"
Ross
May 20, 2013, 7:38:13 AM5/20/13
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On May 19, 12:58 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
Moffat's a sucker for a Big Epic Event. The story is going to involve
the Hurt Doctor redeeming himself somehow. Probably in a way that does
something massive to all of time and space, such that the Doctor's
death on Trenzalore is no longer binding.
> The question is, what do the Zygons have to do with it?
>
The story left off with The Doctor and Clara still inside the Doctor's
timestream. Seems like an obvious set-up for a terrible continuity-
laiden Five Doctors-style romp with classic villains "leaking" out of
their proper places in the Doctor's past to chase them.
Personally, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Zygons are
a red herring, and their appearance is nothing more than a cameo that
the production team has deliberately been playing up in the press as a
distraction.
> Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older version
> of Matt Smith?
Unless they do something of really epic levels of EDA-style fanwanky
bullshit, Hurt makes the most sense as a pre-Doctor-doctor, if he's
the "secret" that the Doctor's been hiding behind his name ever since
*the beginning*.
> "BW" <bruc...@topmail.co.nz> wrote in message
the Hurt Doctor redeeming himself somehow. Probably in a way that does
something massive to all of time and space, such that the Doctor's
death on Trenzalore is no longer binding.
> The question is, what do the Zygons have to do with it?
>
timestream. Seems like an obvious set-up for a terrible continuity-
laiden Five Doctors-style romp with classic villains "leaking" out of
their proper places in the Doctor's past to chase them.
Personally, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Zygons are
a red herring, and their appearance is nothing more than a cameo that
the production team has deliberately been playing up in the press as a
distraction.
> Just had a thought. Maybe the John Hurt Doctor is actually an older version
> of Matt Smith?
bullshit, Hurt makes the most sense as a pre-Doctor-doctor, if he's
the "secret" that the Doctor's been hiding behind his name ever since
*the beginning*.
The Doctor
May 20, 2013, 10:48:57 AM5/20/13
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Agamemnon
May 20, 2013, 11:37:21 AM5/20/13
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"Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1882240742390739678....@free.teranews.com...
The Doctor
May 20, 2013, 11:44:57 AM5/20/13
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AC
May 20, 2013, 3:52:19 PM5/20/13
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Besides, I dont think you understood my post. A 13th Doctor doesn't have
to be exactly "the" doctor.
--
AC
Stephen Wilson
May 20, 2013, 4:26:30 PM5/20/13
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"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:Tecmt.10129$Ve3....@newsfe12.iad...
Doctors.
Stephen Wilson
May 20, 2013, 4:28:26 PM5/20/13
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No, that's what happens in science fantasy, not in science fiction.
Stephen Wilson
May 20, 2013, 4:33:25 PM5/20/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:kndd4p$cj9$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <836487394390739381.3...@free.teranews.com>,
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>Lone Browncoat <space...@nospam.HephaestusStation.net> wrote:
>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>>> news:knai50$1jm$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com
>>>>> , BW <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> So, are we stuck with John Hurt or is Matt coming back?
>>
>>Whats wrong with John Hunt....he's a good actor and I feel the doctor
>>should be played by an older actor.
>>
>>--
>>Regards Brian
>
> Maybe Hurt is the Valeyard.
No, Michael Jayston was the Valeyard. Or did you miss the Trial of a Time
> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>Lone Browncoat <space...@nospam.HephaestusStation.net> wrote:
>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>>> news:knai50$1jm$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com
>>>>> , BW <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> So, are we stuck with John Hurt or is Matt coming back?
>>
>>Whats wrong with John Hunt....he's a good actor and I feel the doctor
>>should be played by an older actor.
>>
>>--
>>Regards Brian
>
> Maybe Hurt is the Valeyard.
Lord?
The Doctor
May 20, 2013, 4:38:12 PM5/20/13
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In article <qMvmt.48586$pU6....@newsfe10.iad>,
And now?
Stephen Wilson
May 20, 2013, 4:39:45 PM5/20/13
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news:kndgdp$k92$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
Which party would that be?
The Doctor
May 20, 2013, 4:42:27 PM5/20/13
to
In article <lSvmt.6725$kj3....@newsfe16.iad>,
DW 50th Anniversary Party.
Stephen Wilson
May 21, 2013, 12:26:12 PM5/21/13
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news:kne1rj$75o$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
You don't get out much, do you?
The Doctor
May 21, 2013, 3:52:48 PM5/21/13
to
In article <HeNmt.4307$Pt5....@newsfe02.iad>,
Back to sleep SW.
solar penguin
May 21, 2013, 5:03:41 PM5/21/13
to
The Doctor wrote:
> In article <lSvmt.6725$kj3....@newsfe16.iad>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Hence why the party is on!
> >
> >Which party would that be?
> >
> >
>
> DW 50th Anniversary Party.
> --
And what makes you think anyone invited you?
> >
> >Which party would that be?
> >
> >
>
> DW 50th Anniversary Party.
> --
The Doctor
May 21, 2013, 6:27:06 PM5/21/13
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Stephen Wilson
May 21, 2013, 6:53:35 PM5/21/13
to
news:kngsbq$t59$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article
> <ad7d8518-7e9f-4b88...@z10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <lSvmt.6725$kj3....@newsfe16.iad>,
>>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> >>
>>> >> Hence why the party is on!
>>> >
>>> >Which party would that be?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> DW 50th Anniversary Party.
>>> --
>>
>>And what makes you think anyone invited you?
>
> The Whole is, correct BBC?
But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
> <ad7d8518-7e9f-4b88...@z10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <lSvmt.6725$kj3....@newsfe16.iad>,
>>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> >>
>>> >> Hence why the party is on!
>>> >
>>> >Which party would that be?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> DW 50th Anniversary Party.
>>> --
>>
>>And what makes you think anyone invited you?
>
> The Whole is, correct BBC?
Stephen Wilson
May 21, 2013, 7:04:36 PM5/21/13
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news:kngjag$k56$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly. Let us dis day has our dalee cheezburger. And
furgiv us for makin u a cookie, but eateding it, same as we furgiv teh
kittehz taht maked us cookiez, but eated tehm. An leed us not into teh
showa, but deliver us from teh wawter. Cuz all our base n teh pwnage n teh
+1s r belong 2 U 4eva&evah, srlsy kthxbai.
if u sais sry Ceiling Cat will be leik s'ok iz kewl. if u donut sez sry
Ceiling Cat will pwn u.
furgiv us for makin u a cookie, but eateding it, same as we furgiv teh
kittehz taht maked us cookiez, but eated tehm. An leed us not into teh
showa, but deliver us from teh wawter. Cuz all our base n teh pwnage n teh
+1s r belong 2 U 4eva&evah, srlsy kthxbai.
if u sais sry Ceiling Cat will be leik s'ok iz kewl. if u donut sez sry
Ceiling Cat will pwn u.
The Doctor
May 21, 2013, 7:33:50 PM5/21/13
to
In article <a4Tmt.10233$xs4....@fx27.am4>,
You are up too late.
Message has been deleted
Your Name
May 22, 2013, 2:32:48 AM5/22/13
to
In article <VVSmt.14421$ft3....@fx35.am4>, "Stephen Wilson"
obviously can't exist. Therefore cats must just be a figment of your
imagination, as are TVs, computers, the Internet, ... ;-)
<stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:kngsbq$t59$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> > In article
> > <ad7d8518-7e9f-4b88...@z10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>The Doctor wrote:
> >>> In article <lSvmt.6725$kj3....@newsfe16.iad>,
> >>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hence why the party is on!
> >>> >
> >>> >Which party would that be?
> >>>
> >>> DW 50th Anniversary Party.
> >>
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:kngsbq$t59$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> > In article
> > <ad7d8518-7e9f-4b88...@z10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>The Doctor wrote:
> >>> In article <lSvmt.6725$kj3....@newsfe16.iad>,
> >>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hence why the party is on!
> >>> >
> >>> >Which party would that be?
> >>>
> >>> DW 50th Anniversary Party.
> >>
> >>And what makes you think anyone invited you?
> >
> > The Whole is, correct BBC?
>
> But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
If it's not mentioned in the demented drivelling's of the Bible, then it
> >
> > The Whole is, correct BBC?
>
> But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
obviously can't exist. Therefore cats must just be a figment of your
imagination, as are TVs, computers, the Internet, ... ;-)
Your Name
May 22, 2013, 2:34:13 AM5/22/13
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In article <chine.bleu-97ED2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <VVSmt.14421$ft3....@fx35.am4>,
> Hebrew shepherds in the Sinai and Canaan.
Cats were used by grain farmers all over the ancient world to keep rodent
numbers down.
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <VVSmt.14421$ft3....@fx35.am4>,
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
>
> They were sacred to Egyptians (and so false gods to Hebrews) and of no use to
> >
> > But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
>
> Hebrew shepherds in the Sinai and Canaan.
Cats were used by grain farmers all over the ancient world to keep rodent
numbers down.
Message has been deleted
The Doctor
May 22, 2013, 8:29:31 AM5/22/13
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In article <YourName-220...@203-118-187-193.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
solar penguin
May 22, 2013, 9:06:30 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:29:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> In article
> <YourName-220...@203-118-187-193.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>In article <VVSmt.14421$ft3....@fx35.am4>, "Stephen Wilson"
>><stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
>>
>>If it's not mentioned in the demented drivelling's of the Bible, then it
>>obviously can't exist. Therefore cats must just be a figment of your
>>imagination, as are TVs, computers, the Internet, ... ;-)
>
> Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
That's the space between your ears, right Yads...???
> Name <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>In article <VVSmt.14421$ft3....@fx35.am4>, "Stephen Wilson"
>><stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But why are cats not mentioned in the Bible?
>>
>>If it's not mentioned in the demented drivelling's of the Bible, then it
>>obviously can't exist. Therefore cats must just be a figment of your
>>imagination, as are TVs, computers, the Internet, ... ;-)
>
> Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
Brian
May 22, 2013, 9:59:01 AM5/22/13
to
It would be a better series if iDoctor Who was more science fiction than
fantasy fiction but often things seem to happen for no reason and or
explanation.
--
Regards Brian
The Doctor
May 22, 2013, 3:04:29 PM5/22/13
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The Doctor
May 22, 2013, 3:05:05 PM5/22/13
to
In article <738533433390923727.8...@free.teranews.com>,
Do we want to go back ot the JN-T era of no sonic screwdriver?
John Fleming
May 22, 2013, 10:54:11 PM5/22/13
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[Default] On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:59:01 GMT, while chained to a desk in
the scriptorium Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> $"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> $> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
> $> news:1386298954390740140....@free.teranews.com...
> $>> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> $>>> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l6...@4ax.com>,
> $>>> Monsieur Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> $>>>
> $>>>> Are we supposed to infer that the current Doctor is the last???
> $>>>
> $>>> We saw the last of the Master after he used up all his regenerations.
> $>>> Then the
> $>>> show decided they wanted him back, so without any explanation, he takes
> $>>> over a
> $>>> body and continues. The last Doctor will be when BBC drops the show and
> $>>> no one
> $>>> takes over; until then the show will always come up with a way to keep
> $>>> him alive.
> $>>
> $>> I agree. What is the current doctor who had an accident and died in real
> $>> life then they would need another actor to replace him. The good thing
> $>> about science fiction is that anything is possible.
> $>
> $> No, that's what happens in science fantasy, not in science fiction.
> $
> $The Doctor tends to use his sonic screw driver like a magic wand.
> $It would be a better series if iDoctor Who was more science fiction than
> $fantasy fiction but often things seem to happen for no reason and or
> $explanation.
I believe it was Arthur C. Clark who once said, "Any technology
sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."
And he is right.
There is one episode from the original Star Trek series where aliens
from the Andromeda galaxy had devices on their belts that let them
reduce a person to a white cube. Clearly an artifact of a very
advanced science.
Do the same with a wand at Hogwarts, with an appropriate incantation,
and it becomes a powerful magic spell that is quite at home in the
world of Harry Potter.
Or, to use something we take advantage of today, I tale my cell phone
and give Yads a call. Clearly, an artifact of modern technology.
But bring someone from the 1500s into the presence, and do the same
thing, and that person might want to burn you at the stake as a witch.
Like, clearly a device that lets me communicate with someone in
London, which is thousands of miles from where I am now, must be
powerful, powerful magic indeed.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
the scriptorium Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> $"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> $> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
> $> news:1386298954390740140....@free.teranews.com...
> $>> Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> $>>> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l6...@4ax.com>,
> $>>> Monsieur Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> $>>>
> $>>>> Are we supposed to infer that the current Doctor is the last???
> $>>>
> $>>> We saw the last of the Master after he used up all his regenerations.
> $>>> Then the
> $>>> show decided they wanted him back, so without any explanation, he takes
> $>>> over a
> $>>> body and continues. The last Doctor will be when BBC drops the show and
> $>>> no one
> $>>> takes over; until then the show will always come up with a way to keep
> $>>> him alive.
> $>>
> $>> I agree. What is the current doctor who had an accident and died in real
> $>> life then they would need another actor to replace him. The good thing
> $>> about science fiction is that anything is possible.
> $>
> $> No, that's what happens in science fantasy, not in science fiction.
> $
> $The Doctor tends to use his sonic screw driver like a magic wand.
> $It would be a better series if iDoctor Who was more science fiction than
> $fantasy fiction but often things seem to happen for no reason and or
> $explanation.
I believe it was Arthur C. Clark who once said, "Any technology
sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."
And he is right.
There is one episode from the original Star Trek series where aliens
from the Andromeda galaxy had devices on their belts that let them
reduce a person to a white cube. Clearly an artifact of a very
advanced science.
Do the same with a wand at Hogwarts, with an appropriate incantation,
and it becomes a powerful magic spell that is quite at home in the
world of Harry Potter.
Or, to use something we take advantage of today, I tale my cell phone
and give Yads a call. Clearly, an artifact of modern technology.
But bring someone from the 1500s into the presence, and do the same
thing, and that person might want to burn you at the stake as a witch.
Like, clearly a device that lets me communicate with someone in
London, which is thousands of miles from where I am now, must be
powerful, powerful magic indeed.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
Duggy
May 23, 2013, 2:27:29 AM5/23/13
to
On Sunday, 19 May 2013 22:50:45 UTC+10, BW wrote:
> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a
> DORIUM: "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh,
> question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered."
They weren't on the fields they were in a tomb on Trenzalore and "no creature may speak falsely or fail to give an answer" was not the case.
We know that The Doctor will return to Tranzalore and die on the Battlefield there... unless fate is changed (which I imagine it will be)
===
= DUG.
===
Your Name
May 23, 2013, 2:32:52 AM5/23/13
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solar penguin
May 23, 2013, 7:04:51 AM5/23/13
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The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 7:52:34 AM5/23/13
to
In article <3m0rp81205n2icvvs...@4ax.com>,
Can you time travel from point A to Point B?
>--
>
>
>John Fleming
>Edmonton, Canada
>
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>--
>
>
>John Fleming
>Edmonton, Canada
>
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 7:52:54 AM5/23/13
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In article <knkt4j$eqa$1...@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:32:52 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>
>> In article <knifsm$e1k$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:29:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
>>>
>>> That's the space between your ears, right Yads...???
>>
>> Nope, that's non-existant space. ;-)
>
>But an awful lot of empty space exists between his ears.
0/10 SP
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:32:52 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>
>> In article <knifsm$e1k$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:29:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
>>>
>>> That's the space between your ears, right Yads...???
>>
>> Nope, that's non-existant space. ;-)
>
>But an awful lot of empty space exists between his ears.
Ross
May 23, 2013, 7:54:10 AM5/23/13
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or fail to give an answer" is wrong.
The Doctor *was* in a position where he could not speak falsely (the
Intelligence would know if he lied because the tomb wouldn't open) nor
could he fail to answer (Because that would mean the death of his
friends, and the Doctor can't allow that).
You may notice that Dorium's prophecy explicitly does *not* say "And
then you really-for-reals will say your birth name"
solar penguin
May 23, 2013, 8:27:53 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:52:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
> Can you time travel from point A to Point B?
>
Time travel from B back to A is the tricky part.
The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 8:33:12 AM5/23/13
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In article <knl209$eq9$2...@dont-email.me>,
In order words you cannot perform 6-dimensional parameterised mathematics.
solar penguin
May 23, 2013, 9:56:02 AM5/23/13
to
On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:33:12 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <knl209$eq9$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:52:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Can you time travel from point A to Point B?
>>>
>>>
>>Since B comes _after_ A, the answer is yes. You just have to wait.
>>
>>Time travel from B back to A is the tricky part.
>
> In order words you cannot perform 6-dimensional parameterised
> mathematics.
You need 5-dimensional mathematics for time travel. Remember what Susan
> In article <knl209$eq9$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:52:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Can you time travel from point A to Point B?
>>>
>>>
>>Since B comes _after_ A, the answer is yes. You just have to wait.
>>
>>Time travel from B back to A is the tricky part.
>
> In order words you cannot perform 6-dimensional parameterised
> mathematics.
said in An Unearthly Child.
Dave Arnold
May 23, 2013, 1:07:00 PM5/23/13
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being used to fast track plots and get out of tight fixes: got an enemy
that's about to kill you? no problem just zap it with the sonic
screwdriver and slow it down. Need to get information about something
you've never seen before? no problem, just hold up the sonic
screwdriver and read the flashing lights.
The reason it was destroyed in the first place was because it was
decided it was limiting plots if all the Doctor had to do was wave it
around and fix things.
Ross
May 23, 2013, 1:39:18 PM5/23/13
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On May 23, 1:07 pm, Dave Arnold <usenetY...@HATcaledfwlch.me.uk>
wrote:
> > <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> > >>>> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l64bref1nuqkqof9...@4ax.com>,
The reason it was gotten rid of in the first place is because the
writers needed to pad an hour's worth of story out to three or four
episodes, and weren't clever enough to fill the time when "Lock the
Doctor in a room for ten minutes" wasn't an option.
wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> > In article
> > <738533433390923727.858277bclark-es.co...@free.teranews.com>, Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> > In article
> > <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> > >"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > >> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
> > >>news:1386298954390740140....@free.teranews.com...
> > >>> Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
> > >>news:1386298954390740140....@free.teranews.com...
> > >>>> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l64bref1nuqkqof9...@4ax.com>,
writers needed to pad an hour's worth of story out to three or four
episodes, and weren't clever enough to fill the time when "Lock the
Doctor in a room for ten minutes" wasn't an option.
Reader in Invisible Writings
May 23, 2013, 2:24:55 PM5/23/13
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On 20/05/2013 21:38, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <qMvmt.48586$pU6....@newsfe10.iad>,
>>> In article <836487394390739381.3...@free.teranews.com>,
>>> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Lone Browncoat <space...@nospam.HephaestusStation.net> wrote:
>>>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>>>>> news:knai50$1jm$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> , BW <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, are we stuck with John Hurt or is Matt coming back?
>>>>
>>>> Whats wrong with John Hunt....he's a good actor and I feel the doctor
>>>> should be played by an older actor.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards Brian
>>>
>>> Maybe Hurt is the Valeyard.
>>
>> No, Michael Jayston was the Valeyard. Or did you miss the Trial of a Time
>> Lord?
>>
>>
>
> And now?
>
Exactly, if the run of Doctors requires that you have to tell the story
of the Valeyard with him centre stage rather than as a protagonist then
you can either:-
1. use a time machine to get Michael Jayston to play the part when he
was much younger
2. get him to play the part* in extensive make up
3. select an younger actor** who has a similar face to act the part
Looks like option 3 to me is the only realistic one!
*IMDB indicates that he is still with us as they only give a birth year
and who seems to be working on two productions for next year or later!
**OK only 5 years
--
Reader in Invisible Writings
Something to Ponder on!
> In article <qMvmt.48586$pU6....@newsfe10.iad>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> news:kndd4p$cj9$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> In article <836487394390739381.3...@free.teranews.com>,
>>> Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Lone Browncoat <space...@nospam.HephaestusStation.net> wrote:
>>>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>>>>> news:knai50$1jm$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <fb4c4f05-f53b-4740...@be10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> , BW <bru...@topmail.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, are we stuck with John Hurt or is Matt coming back?
>>>>
>>>> Whats wrong with John Hunt....he's a good actor and I feel the doctor
>>>> should be played by an older actor.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards Brian
>>>
>>> Maybe Hurt is the Valeyard.
>>
>> No, Michael Jayston was the Valeyard. Or did you miss the Trial of a Time
>> Lord?
>>
>>
>
> And now?
>
Exactly, if the run of Doctors requires that you have to tell the story
of the Valeyard with him centre stage rather than as a protagonist then
you can either:-
1. use a time machine to get Michael Jayston to play the part when he
was much younger
2. get him to play the part* in extensive make up
3. select an younger actor** who has a similar face to act the part
Looks like option 3 to me is the only realistic one!
*IMDB indicates that he is still with us as they only give a birth year
and who seems to be working on two productions for next year or later!
**OK only 5 years
--
Reader in Invisible Writings
Something to Ponder on!
The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 2:51:16 PM5/23/13
to
In article <knl75i$5is$2...@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:33:12 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <knl209$eq9$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:52:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can you time travel from point A to Point B?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Since B comes _after_ A, the answer is yes. You just have to wait.
>>>
>>>Time travel from B back to A is the tricky part.
>>
>> In order words you cannot perform 6-dimensional parameterised
>> mathematics.
>
>You need 5-dimensional mathematics for time travel. Remember what Susan
>said in An Unearthly Child.
You need 6 to compress (hyper)space
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:33:12 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <knl209$eq9$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:52:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can you time travel from point A to Point B?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Since B comes _after_ A, the answer is yes. You just have to wait.
>>>
>>>Time travel from B back to A is the tricky part.
>>
>> In order words you cannot perform 6-dimensional parameterised
>> mathematics.
>
>You need 5-dimensional mathematics for time travel. Remember what Susan
>said in An Unearthly Child.
The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 2:51:57 PM5/23/13
to
In article <20130523180700.17f9883a@dave>,
A favourite fan heated debate. Here I say no!
The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 2:53:13 PM5/23/13
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In article <knlmm1$2t1$1...@dont-email.me>,
Or maybe Hurt is the Valeyard - option 4. Who knows
what Moffat has in mind.
what Moffat has in mind.
Dave Arnold
May 23, 2013, 4:24:25 PM5/23/13
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As one example of many:
https://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/dr-who-and-the-sonic-screwdriver/
"When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
up."
Your Name
May 23, 2013, 5:10:30 PM5/23/13
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In article <knkt4j$eqa$1...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
mentioned in the Bible, so he can't exist either). :-)
<solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:32:52 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>
> > In article <knifsm$e1k$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> > <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:29:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
> >>
> >> That's the space between your ears, right Yads...???
> >
> > Nope, that's non-existant space. ;-)
>
> But an awful lot of empty space exists between his ears.
But even that empty space doesn't register as existing (besides, he wasn't
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:32:52 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>
> > In article <knifsm$e1k$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> > <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2013 12:29:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Both Stephen Wilson and Your Name exist in null space.
> >>
> >> That's the space between your ears, right Yads...???
> >
> > Nope, that's non-existant space. ;-)
>
> But an awful lot of empty space exists between his ears.
mentioned in the Bible, so he can't exist either). :-)
Your Name
May 23, 2013, 5:12:23 PM5/23/13
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In article <knl209$eq9$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
Not if A and B are on opposite sides of the International Date Line. ;-)
The Doctor
May 23, 2013, 5:23:20 PM5/23/13
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In article <20130523212425.53cdc4ff@dave>,
>>=20
Dave Arnold <usene...@HATcaledfwlch.me.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
>Ross <rras...@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 23, 1:07=C2=A0pm, Dave Arnold <usenetY...@HATcaledfwlch.me.uk>
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
>Ross <rras...@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC)
>> >
>> > doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> > > In article
>> > > <738533433390923727.858277bclark-es.co...@free.teranews.com>,
>> > > Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> > > >"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> > > >> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
>> > > >>news:1386298954390740140....@free.teranews.com...
>> > > >>> Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l64bref1nuqkqof9...@4ax.com>,
>> > On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC)
>> >
>> > doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> > > In article
>> > > <738533433390923727.858277bclark-es.co...@free.teranews.com>,
>> > > Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> > > >"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> > > >> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
>> > > >>news:1386298954390740140....@free.teranews.com...
>> > > >>> Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>> In article <7q9ip85vob55ak5l64bref1nuqkqof9...@4ax.com>,
>> The reason it was gotten rid of in the first place is because the
>> writers needed to pad an hour's worth of story out to three or four
>> episodes, and weren't clever enough to fill the time when "Lock the
>> Doctor in a room for ten minutes" wasn't an option.
>
>Umm, not it wasn't - as even a basic search would show you.
>
>As one example of many:
>
>https://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/dr-who-and-the-sonic-screwdriver/
>
>"When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
>decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
>aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
>robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
>heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
>doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
>Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
>up."
>
>
>
I note nothing mentioned about Romana's departure.
>> writers needed to pad an hour's worth of story out to three or four
>> episodes, and weren't clever enough to fill the time when "Lock the
>> Doctor in a room for ten minutes" wasn't an option.
>
>Umm, not it wasn't - as even a basic search would show you.
>
>As one example of many:
>
>https://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/dr-who-and-the-sonic-screwdriver/
>
>"When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
>decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
>aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
>robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
>heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
>doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
>Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
>up."
>
>
>
Ross
May 24, 2013, 7:32:47 AM5/24/13
to
On May 23, 4:24 pm, Dave Arnold <usenetY...@HATcaledfwlch.me.uk>
wrote:
> https://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/dr-who-and-the-sonic-screwd...
well out of his depth and not very good at his job, then we can take
that as gospel. Surely, if it were because JN-T's production team was
stupid and lazy, he'd have said so publicly.
wrote:
>
> "When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
> decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
> aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
> robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
> heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
> doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
> Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
> up."
Oh well okay, if JN-T himself said that it wasn't because JN-T wasn't
> "When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
> decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
> aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
> robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
> heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
> doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
> Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
> up."
well out of his depth and not very good at his job, then we can take
that as gospel. Surely, if it were because JN-T's production team was
stupid and lazy, he'd have said so publicly.
Message has been deleted
Your Name
May 24, 2013, 5:54:13 PM5/24/13
to
In article <chine.bleu-556C9...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> otherwise, possibly with more plot, or if it's been used as a cheap way to
> create cliffhangers and then resolve them without any skill from the writers.
>
> It's like Star Trek teleports where originally just a device to get
characters
> quickly from place to place without intervening and irrelevant plot. The
> Enterprise series often used shuttle craft instead.
Enterprise is a prequel, it used shuttles simply because the teleporter
isn't fully working nor trusted system - plus the people making it wanted
the show to look older technology-wise than the original series.
By the timeframe of the original series the teleporter was (mostly)
functioning properly and only distrusted by a few, like Bones. By the
timeframe of The Next Generation it had become an everyday device barely
even thought about.
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The reason it was gotten rid of in the first place is because the
> > > > writers needed to pad an hour's worth of story out to three or four
> > > > episodes, and weren't clever enough to fill the time when "Lock the
> > > > Doctor in a room for ten minutes" wasn't an option.
> > >
> > > Umm, not it wasn't - as even a basic search would show you.
> > >
> > > As one example of many:
> > >
> > > https://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/dr-who-and-the-sonic-screwd...
> > >
> > > "When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
> > > decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
> > > aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
> > > robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
> > > heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
> > > doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
> > > Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
> > > up."
> >
> > Oh well okay, if JN-T himself said that it wasn't because JN-T wasn't
> > well out of his depth and not very good at his job, then we can take
> > that as gospel. Surely, if it were because JN-T's production team was
> > stupid and lazy, he'd have said so publicly.
>
> Depends on whether on it's a merely a shortcut to do what could be done
> > > >
> > > > The reason it was gotten rid of in the first place is because the
> > > > writers needed to pad an hour's worth of story out to three or four
> > > > episodes, and weren't clever enough to fill the time when "Lock the
> > > > Doctor in a room for ten minutes" wasn't an option.
> > >
> > > Umm, not it wasn't - as even a basic search would show you.
> > >
> > > As one example of many:
> > >
> > > https://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/dr-who-and-the-sonic-screwd...
> > >
> > > "When John Nathan Turner took over the program in 1980, he inherited the
> > > decisions of his predecessors, leaving him with a pair of super genius
> > > aliens (the Doctor and Romana), a boy genius (Adric) and a brilliant
> > > robot dog that shot lasers (K-9). The production team decided that the
> > > heroes had become far too powerful and a magical device that opened
> > > doors was just too easy an out for lazy writers. Therefore, out went
> > > Romana and K-9, the sonic screwdriver was destroyed and Adric was blown
> > > up."
> >
> > Oh well okay, if JN-T himself said that it wasn't because JN-T wasn't
> > well out of his depth and not very good at his job, then we can take
> > that as gospel. Surely, if it were because JN-T's production team was
> > stupid and lazy, he'd have said so publicly.
>
> otherwise, possibly with more plot, or if it's been used as a cheap way to
> create cliffhangers and then resolve them without any skill from the writers.
>
> It's like Star Trek teleports where originally just a device to get
characters
> quickly from place to place without intervening and irrelevant plot. The
> Enterprise series often used shuttle craft instead.
Enterprise is a prequel, it used shuttles simply because the teleporter
isn't fully working nor trusted system - plus the people making it wanted
the show to look older technology-wise than the original series.
By the timeframe of the original series the teleporter was (mostly)
functioning properly and only distrusted by a few, like Bones. By the
timeframe of The Next Generation it had become an everyday device barely
even thought about.
Stephen Wilson
May 24, 2013, 6:41:05 PM5/24/13
to
"Dave Arnold" <usene...@HATcaledfwlch.me.uk> wrote in message
news:20130523180700.17f9883a@dave...
didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You save
time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's also
become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic screwdriver
might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the likelihood is
they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
device/technobabble.
Keith Cunningham
May 25, 2013, 7:09:33 AM5/25/13
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"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:80Snt.15723$zQ6....@fx09.am4...
>
> On the other hand, the reason it was brought back was so that the Doctor
> didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You
> save time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's
> also become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic
> screwdriver might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the
> likelihood is they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
> device/technobabble.
>
>
>
The Doctor's sonic screwdriver is, apparently, manufactured by the Tardis.
> On the other hand, the reason it was brought back was so that the Doctor
> didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You
> save time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's
> also become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic
> screwdriver might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the
> likelihood is they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
> device/technobabble.
>
>
>
We've seen a new one pop out of the console. Perhaps, in this case, it is a
device which extends the Tardis' conciousness, and allows it to focus on and
overcome almost insurmountable obstacles. We've seen examples in past
episodes of the Tardis' own remarkable capabilities.
Brian
May 25, 2013, 8:34:45 AM5/25/13
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Brian
May 25, 2013, 8:39:50 AM5/25/13
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that sonic screw drawer is like a magic wand. Well at least someone is
thinking along the some lines of thoughts as myself.
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Brian
May 25, 2013, 8:44:29 AM5/25/13
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that it was cheaper than showing a space shuttle landing on the planet and
they had to keep production costs down.
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The Doctor
May 25, 2013, 9:37:11 AM5/25/13
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The Doctor
May 25, 2013, 9:37:50 AM5/25/13
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Stephen Wilson
May 25, 2013, 11:14:37 AM5/25/13
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news:knqeq7$g2d$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <n7udnWpcRoBmBj3M...@brightview.co.uk>,
> Keith Cunningham <k...@southshieldsfolkclub.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:80Snt.15723$zQ6....@fx09.am4...
>> >
>>> On the other hand, the reason it was brought back was so that the Doctor
>>> didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You
>>> save time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's
>>> also become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic
>>> screwdriver might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the
>>> likelihood is they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
>>> device/technobabble.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>The Doctor's sonic screwdriver is, apparently, manufactured by the Tardis.
>>We've seen a new one pop out of the console. Perhaps, in this case, it is
>>a
>>device which extends the Tardis' conciousness, and allows it to focus on
>>and
>>overcome almost insurmountable obstacles. We've seen examples in past
>>episodes of the Tardis' own remarkable capabilities.
>>
>>
>
> REcall it was first seen in Fury from the Deep.
So what?
> Keith Cunningham <k...@southshieldsfolkclub.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:80Snt.15723$zQ6....@fx09.am4...
>> >
>>> On the other hand, the reason it was brought back was so that the Doctor
>>> didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You
>>> save time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's
>>> also become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic
>>> screwdriver might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the
>>> likelihood is they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
>>> device/technobabble.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>The Doctor's sonic screwdriver is, apparently, manufactured by the Tardis.
>>We've seen a new one pop out of the console. Perhaps, in this case, it is
>>a
>>device which extends the Tardis' conciousness, and allows it to focus on
>>and
>>overcome almost insurmountable obstacles. We've seen examples in past
>>episodes of the Tardis' own remarkable capabilities.
>>
>>
>
> REcall it was first seen in Fury from the Deep.
Keith Cunningham
May 25, 2013, 11:16:00 AM5/25/13
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Well, we know from earlier episodes that a Tardis is grown, and not
manufactured. But what is it grown from? It it a cutting from some larger
organism, perhaps one so huge that it is actually the planet Gallifrey? And
perhaps an organism so huge and so intelligent created the Time Lords
themselves.
KC
manufactured. But what is it grown from? It it a cutting from some larger
organism, perhaps one so huge that it is actually the planet Gallifrey? And
perhaps an organism so huge and so intelligent created the Time Lords
themselves.
KC
The Doctor
May 25, 2013, 3:28:44 PM5/25/13
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In article <Az4ot.54231$v32....@fx11.am4>,
I doubt the Doctor made the sonic screwdriver from parts of the TARDIS.
The Doctor
May 25, 2013, 3:29:17 PM5/25/13
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Your Name
May 25, 2013, 5:39:20 PM5/25/13
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In article <-7mdndiNcv47SD3M...@brightview.co.uk>, "Keith
Cunningham" <k...@southshieldsfolkclub.co.uk> wrote:
Cunningham" <k...@southshieldsfolkclub.co.uk> wrote:
> "Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:1983956150391178034....@free.teranews.com...
> > "Keith Cunningham" <k...@southshieldsfolkclub.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:80Snt.15723$zQ6....@fx09.am4...
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, the reason it was brought back was so that the Doctor
> >>> didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You
> >>> save time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's
> >>> also become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic
> >>> screwdriver might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the
> >>> likelihood is they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
> >>> device/technobabble.
> >>>
> >> The Doctor's sonic screwdriver is, apparently, manufactured by the
> >> Tardis.
> >> We've seen a new one pop out of the console. Perhaps, in this case, it is
> >> a device which extends the Tardis' conciousness, and allows it to focus
> >> on and overcome almost insurmountable obstacles. We've seen examples in
> >> past episodes of the Tardis' own remarkable capabilities.
> >
> > Here's a crazy thought....maybe the Doctor is a creation of the Tardis.
>
> news:1983956150391178034....@free.teranews.com...
> > "Keith Cunningham" <k...@southshieldsfolkclub.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:80Snt.15723$zQ6....@fx09.am4...
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, the reason it was brought back was so that the Doctor
> >>> didn't have to waste time escaping from cells, etc. Pros and cons. You
> >>> save time getting from A to B by using the sonic screwdriver. But it's
> >>> also become the equivalent of a magic wand. Doing away with the sonic
> >>> screwdriver might force scriptwriters to become more inventive, but the
> >>> likelihood is they'd only replace it with an equally unconvincing plot
> >>> device/technobabble.
> >>>
> >> The Doctor's sonic screwdriver is, apparently, manufactured by the
> >> Tardis.
> >> We've seen a new one pop out of the console. Perhaps, in this case, it is
> >> a device which extends the Tardis' conciousness, and allows it to focus
> >> on and overcome almost insurmountable obstacles. We've seen examples in
> >> past episodes of the Tardis' own remarkable capabilities.
> >
> > Here's a crazy thought....maybe the Doctor is a creation of the Tardis.
>
> Well, we know from earlier episodes that a Tardis is grown, and not
> manufactured. But what is it grown from? It it a cutting from some larger
> organism, perhaps one so huge that it is actually the planet Gallifrey? And
> perhaps an organism so huge and so intelligent created the Time Lords
> themselves.
The TARDIS shell can be built, just like any machine - we've seen the
> manufactured. But what is it grown from? It it a cutting from some larger
> organism, perhaps one so huge that it is actually the planet Gallifrey? And
> perhaps an organism so huge and so intelligent created the Time Lords
> themselves.
Doctor build a temporary one out of junk from dead TARDIS parts.
The core of the TARDIS is apparently grown from TARDIS Coral (if you
believe Wikipedia). http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/TARDIS_coral
Keith Cunningham
May 25, 2013, 7:28:54 PM5/25/13
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"Your Name" <Your...@YourISP.com> wrote in message
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The Doctor
May 25, 2013, 8:01:21 PM5/25/13
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In article <YourName-260...@203-118-187-166.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
REcall the heart of the TARDIS has the energy of a galaxy.
Ross
May 25, 2013, 8:19:58 PM5/25/13
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On May 25, 8:44 am, Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
> Your Name <YourN...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <chine.bleu-556C9E.05301024052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
That's an urban legend. Gene Roddenberry himself once said in an
interview that he actually just thought the transporter was a neat
idea, and that they could have easily just had shuttles but *never
shown them*. Just have Kirk say "Have a landing party meet me in the
shuttle bay" and then cut to the planet's surface with Kirk looking
out-of-frame to the left and saying "Okay, Redshirty McRedshirterton,
you stay there with the shuttle until we come back."
(The exact same way that in TNG, they were always talking about the
Stellar Cartography lab but never showed it until the TNG movie)
> Your Name <YourN...@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <chine.bleu-556C9E.05301024052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
interview that he actually just thought the transporter was a neat
idea, and that they could have easily just had shuttles but *never
shown them*. Just have Kirk say "Have a landing party meet me in the
shuttle bay" and then cut to the planet's surface with Kirk looking
out-of-frame to the left and saying "Okay, Redshirty McRedshirterton,
you stay there with the shuttle until we come back."
(The exact same way that in TNG, they were always talking about the
Stellar Cartography lab but never showed it until the TNG movie)
Dave Arnold
May 26, 2013, 7:00:00 AM5/26/13
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sort of nonsense that you actually like.
In the classic series the TARDIS is just a vessel that is used to
transport the Doctor from one adventure to another. It was a device
created by the Time Lords which allowed them to travel through time and
space. It was bigger on the inside than the outside because the outside
was just a form of gateway between our dimension and another one which
housed the actual controls.
We didn't need to know anything else about it, anymore than we needed to
know anything more about how KITT works in Knight Rider.
As the series went on we discovered that the power to run the TARDISes
came from harnessing a supernova thanks to the work of Omega.
All very standard projections of scientific concepts in keeping with
Science Fiction.
Then along comes New Who. Suddenly the TARDIS isn't just built it is
grown. It has a sentient being at it's heart that has the ability to
wipe out an entire race, it is somehow linked to the Doctor's ability
to regenerate and it was responsible for the Doctor stealing it in the
first place. This is definitely straying into the realms of Fantasy.
Unfortunately, now that these stupid concepts have been introduced into
the show they cannot be taken out again, the best we could hope for
is that they are just quietly forgotten about - but I don't see that
happening.
Personally, as much as I hate big-red-reset-buttons I would love for
the ending of this series to be that the Doctor manages to prevent the
supposed Time War from happening, thereby wiping out everything that
happened in New Who and we can start again with a new set of Doctors
that are just travelling around in a mechanical time-travel machine,
picking up ordinary people along on the way and having nice
straight-forward adventures: a sort of reboot of the reboot. But I know
it won't ever happen.
solar penguin
May 26, 2013, 7:47:51 AM5/26/13
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On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:00:00 +0100, Dave Arnold wrote:
>
> Then along comes New Who. Suddenly the TARDIS isn't just built it is
> grown. It has a sentient being at it's heart
THIRD DOCTOR: Yes, well, I always leave the actual landing to the TARDIS
>
> Then along comes New Who. Suddenly the TARDIS isn't just built it is
> grown. It has a sentient being at it's heart
herself. She's no fool, you know.
MIKE YATES: You speak as if she were alive.
THIRD DOCTOR: Yes. Yes, I do, don't I?
> that has the ability to
> wipe out an entire race, it is somehow linked to the Doctor's ability to
> regenerate
SECOND DOCTOR: Life depends on change and renewal.
BEN: Oh, so that's it. You've been renewed, have you?
SECOND DOCTOR: I've been renewed, have I? That's it. I've been renewed.
It's part of the TARDIS. Without it, I couldn't survive.
> and it was responsible for the Doctor stealing it in the
> first place. This is definitely straying into the realms of Fantasy.
>
it for things that were introduced to the show long before it came ever
came along.
The Doctor
May 26, 2013, 8:41:51 AM5/26/13
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In article <20130526120000.1ba92391@dave>,
We know from the Two Doctors that the TARDIS is a living symbiotic machine.
Brian
May 26, 2013, 9:01:04 AM5/26/13
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In a way the door to the Tardis seems like a portal. A bit like walking
into an alternative universe (such as the TV series The fringe), which
could explain why its so big on the inside.
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Brian
May 26, 2013, 9:01:06 AM5/26/13
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But it does look like they were never keen on using shuttles.
However I do give Gene credit for coming up with the clever idea of the
transporter.
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Brian
May 26, 2013, 9:03:46 AM5/26/13
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space ship was a living creature.
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The Doctor
May 26, 2013, 9:09:51 AM5/26/13
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In article <1934664736391266135....@free.teranews.com>,
The TARDIS was that in Edge of Destruction/Brink of Disaster.
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