Openly gay actors in DOCTOR WHO?
JohnH10337
I got to thinking and wondering the other night about how many openly (and
not-so-openly) gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our favourite
show over the years?
The earliest example I know of is Max Adrian, who was in "The Myth Makers," and
of course there were others like the fellow in "Time-Flight" whose character
fancied Tegan, and the late Dallas Adams (how'd he die, anyway?), who was
Peri's stepfather in "Planet of Fire."
Anybody else care to contribute to the list, perchance?
JohnH
P.S.: And what was the story with Dursley McLinden (Sgt. Mike Smith in
"Remembrance of the Daleks")? Reading between the lines, I gather he was gay
and that he died of AIDS?
Liam Teer
Yes I'm interested too, but sadly cannot add to the list off the top of my head. I
rather am willing though to place a bet that the chap who played Cyril in "The
Celestial Toymaker" and later appeared also in "The Underwater Menace" might be
part of it.
Liam.
jay...@cheerful.com
> JohnH10337 wrote:
>
> > Hi all...
> >
> > I got to thinking and wondering the other night about how many openly (and
> > not-so-openly) gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our favourite
> > show over the years?
> >
> > The earliest example I know of is Max Adrian, who was in "The Myth Makers," and
> > of course there were others like the fellow in "Time-Flight" whose character
> > fancied Tegan, and the late Dallas Adams (how'd he die, anyway?), who was
> > Peri's stepfather in "Planet of Fire."
> >
> > Anybody else care to contribute to the list, perchance?
> >
> > JohnH
> >
> > P.S.: And what was the story with Dursley McLinden (Sgt. Mike Smith in
> > "Remembrance of the Daleks")? Reading between the lines, I gather he was gay
> > and that he died of AIDS?
I'm sorry, but I don't really think that this is a very relevant thread to be
starting, and in many ways is quite offensive as a person's sexuality should
not be an issue. I know of several Doctor Who actors who have taken major
roles in the series, but I am not going to out them on the newsgroup. There
sexual orientation is there business, and I can see actors (who are regulars
on the convention circuit) being outed by someone's thoughtlessness when they
don't want to be.
I particularly find it worrying when you start speculating on someone's
sexual orientation by "reading between the lines." You are on very shaky
ground here and it is not something I advise others to start doing.
I suggest that this thread is abandoned, although I can obviously not stop it
continuing should others wish.
Jayse
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Dallas Jones
accidentally be outing all sorts of people plus making accusations which may not be
true.
Leave this discussion to word of mouth and on the phone not in print! :-)
Dallas Jones
Who knows a couple of people!
Liam Teer wrote:
> JohnH10337 wrote:
>
> > Hi all...
> >
> > I got to thinking and wondering the other night about how many openly (and
> > not-so-openly) gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our favourite
> > show over the years?
> >
> > The earliest example I know of is Max Adrian, who was in "The Myth Makers," and
> > of course there were others like the fellow in "Time-Flight" whose character
> > fancied Tegan, and the late Dallas Adams (how'd he die, anyway?), who was
> > Peri's stepfather in "Planet of Fire."
> >
> > Anybody else care to contribute to the list, perchance?
> >
> > JohnH
> >
> > P.S.: And what was the story with Dursley McLinden (Sgt. Mike Smith in
> > "Remembrance of the Daleks")? Reading between the lines, I gather he was gay
> > and that he died of AIDS?
>
PowrWrap
>Hi all...
>
>I got to thinking and wondering the other night about how many openly (and
>not-so-openly) gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our favourite
>show over the years?
>
>The earliest example I know of is Max Adrian, who was in "The Myth Makers,"
>and
>of course there were others like the fellow in "Time-Flight" whose character
>fancied Tegan, and the late Dallas Adams (how'd he die, anyway?), who was
>Peri's stepfather in "Planet of Fire."
>
>Anybody else care to contribute to the list, perchance?
>
>JohnH
>
>P.S.: And what was the story with Dursley McLinden (Sgt. Mike Smith in
>"Remembrance of the Daleks")? Reading between the lines, I gather he was gay
>and that he died of AIDS?
Here we go again. Really, why do you care about someone else's sex life? And
why do you go so far as to fantasize about someone else's fictional
preferences? Talk about needing a life.
Standard Disclaimer time (again):
I won't ask/tell you about my sex life/preference/positions/practices and you
won't ask/tell me about yours. OK?
"When you argue with a fool, be sure he is not similarily occupied."
JMoore9926
>starting, and in many ways is quite offensive as a person's sexuality should
>not be an issue. I know of several Doctor Who actors who have taken major
>roles in the series, but I am not going to out them on the newsgroup. There
>sexual orientation is there business, and I can see actors (who are regulars
>on the convention circuit) being outed by someone's thoughtlessness when they
>don't want to be.
>
>I particularly find it worrying when you start speculating on someone's
>sexual orientation by "reading
>between the lines." You are on very shaky
>ground here and it is not something I advise others to start doing.
I agree. these folks are forgetting that although a large number of gays and
lesbians work in the film and television industries a high degree of anti-gay
discrimination still goes on (go figure). I don't know about the veracity of
the story about Hartnell refusing to work with Max Adrian because he was openly
gay, but it has certainly happened in other productions, and often instead of
scenes being rewritten, the actor is simply replaced, as in fired. Despite the
publicity surrounding people like Ellen Degeneres, Sir Ian McKellan, Sir John
Geilgud, and Harvey Feirstein, most people in the entertainment industry have
to stay in the closet because they do not have the clout or professional
reputation which could guarantee them work, regardless of the level of
homophobia in the industry. Bear in mind that when you publicly out an actor,
director, producer, lighting tech, make-up artist, or whoever, you are running
the risk of ruining their lives and careers. If you want to speculate about
other people's sexual preferences (as if what they do in their own bedrooms is
any of your business), do so among yourselves and do so privately.
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Azaxyr
>If you want to speculate about
>other people's sexual preferences (as if what they do in their own bedrooms
>is
>any of your business), do so among yourselves and do so privately.
Oh, so it's OK to be gay, just as long as you keep
it a secret, eh?
Well then - perhaps it's NOT OK to be gay after all...
"...And that's the way it should be."
Vladimir
anything negative about any of the actors mentioned here.
Vladimir.
jay...@cheerful.com wrote in message <78kbch$jmi$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>
>> JohnH10337 wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all...
>> >
>> > I got to thinking and wondering the other night about how many openly
(and
>> > not-so-openly) gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our
favourite
>> > show over the years?
>> >
>> > The earliest example I know of is Max Adrian, who was in "The Myth
Makers," and
>> > of course there were others like the fellow in "Time-Flight" whose
character
>> > fancied Tegan, and the late Dallas Adams (how'd he die, anyway?), who
was
>> > Peri's stepfather in "Planet of Fire."
>> >
>> > Anybody else care to contribute to the list, perchance?
>> >
>> > JohnH
>> >
>> > P.S.: And what was the story with Dursley McLinden (Sgt. Mike Smith in
>> > "Remembrance of the Daleks")? Reading between the lines, I gather he
was gay
>> > and that he died of AIDS?
>
>I'm sorry, but I don't really think that this is a very relevant thread to
be
>starting, and in many ways is quite offensive as a person's sexuality
should
>not be an issue. I know of several Doctor Who actors who have taken major
>roles in the series, but I am not going to out them on the newsgroup. There
>sexual orientation is there business, and I can see actors (who are
regulars
>on the convention circuit) being outed by someone's thoughtlessness when
they
>don't want to be.
>
>I particularly find it worrying when you start speculating on someone's
>sexual orientation by "reading between the lines." You are on very shaky
>ground here and it is not something I advise others to start doing.
>
shaun pool
understand why a gay fan would want to know about openly gay actors in the
series- as a gay man I'm interested in knowing about openly gay actors
anywhere. However, there is a lot of prejudice out there and even I (a mental
health nurse) need to be careful at work. Openly gay people everywhere help to
chip away at the stereotypes that hound gay people everywhere. It's a difficult
thing to choose whether to stand up against prejudice or earn a living. We all
need to eat.
As I said, this has little to do with sci-fi but hey, whatever.
(If it helps- it comes up just as often in the prince ng.)
Adios
Shaun
JMoore9926
>it a secret, eh?
>
>Well then - perhaps it's NOT OK to be gay after all...
>
>"...And that's the way it should be."
>
I'm sure the folks at AOl will enjoy reading your latest piece of trolling,
Azzy, since I just saved it as a text file and sent it to TOSspam.
JohnH10337
>I'm sorry, but I don't really think that this is a very relevant thread
>to be
>starting, and in many ways is quite offensive as a person's sexuality should
>not be an issue. I know of several Doctor Who actors who have taken major
>roles in the series, but I am not going to out them on the newsgroup. There
>sexual orientation is there business, and I can see actors (who are regulars
>on the convention circuit) being outed by someone's thoughtlessness when
>they
>don't want to be.
discussion entirely. And if you'll notice, the header of my thread was titled
"OPENLY gay actors," not necessarily closeted or semi-closeted people.
(Although let's face it, as celebrities and public figures of whatever degree,
actors do not necessarily have "private lives" as such, which is not always a
good thing, as they'll be quick to tell anyone willing to listen.)
This is why I mentioned people like Max Adrian and Dallas Adams, whose sexual
orientation is a matter of public record. (Mr. Adams was involved in a gay
palimony suit which received some publicity in the British press before he was
in "Planet of Fire," which apparently caused some to question whether he should
be cast as Peri's stepfather, as JN-T himself discussed in his column in DWM a
while back.)
>I particularly find it worrying when you start speculating on someone's
>sexual orientation by "reading between the lines." You are on very shaky
>ground here and it is not something I advise others to start doing.
Well now, let's see in the case of Mr. McLinden... DWM stated that he died
after a lengthy illness, and Sophie Aldred in her book "Ace!" discussed seeing
him with his "male friend" not long before his death. Now, granted, this could
be taken to mean just about anything, but the levels of discretion strongly
remind me of how people with AIDS were treated in the early (and indeed
not-so-early stages of the pandemic).
I don't wish anyone to think that I'm deliberately starting a troll, or
potential flame war here, and to be honest, I'm extremely surprised by the
level of vehemence that my query has been greeted with!
Azaxyr
>>Oh, so it's OK to be gay, just as long as you keep
>>it a secret, eh?
>>
>>Well then - perhaps it's NOT OK to be gay after all...
>>
>>"...And that's the way it should be."
>>
>
>I'm sure the folks at AOl will enjoy reading your latest piece of trolling,
>Azzy, since I just saved it as a text file and sent it to TOSspam.
Why??
"All these worlds....
...Will make excellent sites for our garbage dumps."
JohnH10337
>The problem is most fans do not know which actors are 'openly gay' and thus
>they could
>accidentally be outing all sorts of people plus making accusations which
>may not be
>true.
least begin with -- those whose orientations are known and a matter of public
knowledge, as I've already said before? Or is this asking too much??
>Leave this discussion to word of mouth and on the phone not in print! :-)
Again, fair enough, but why the worry? Is idle speculation (if indeed that is
the case) really going to blossom into a libel/slander issue?
A puzzled JohnH
Azaxyr
>Dallas Jones had written:
>>The problem is most fans do not know which actors are 'openly gay' and thus
>>they could
>>accidentally be outing all sorts of people plus making accusations which
>>may not be
>>true.
>A fair enough assessment... but why can't the discussion be limited to -- or
>at
>least begin with -- those whose orientations are known and a matter of public
>knowledge, as I've already said before? Or is this asking too much??
If it's "OK to be gay", then there's no reason
that a gay person should be ashamed or fear
admitting his sin.
If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
"I didn't start this discussion, but since it reared it's
ugly head, I feel compelled to state my views on it,
for if I don't, some people might start believing
the wrong ideas."
Susannah Tiller
>
> I don't wish anyone to think that I'm deliberately starting a troll, or
> potential flame war here, and to be honest, I'm extremely surprised by the
> level of vehemence that my query has been greeted with!
I think that's because people weren't sure where you were coming from.
Given the number of gay flame wars we've had in the past, which
degenerated into some very vicious and personal attacks, I think a lot
of people here are wary of anything with "gay" in the headers.
Regards,
Susannah
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Melmoth
> I agree. these folks are forgetting that although a large number of gays and
> lesbians work in the film and television industries a high degree of anti-gay
> discrimination still goes on (go figure). I don't know about the veracity of
> the story about Hartnell refusing to work with Max Adrian because he was openly
> gay, but it has certainly happened in other productions, and often instead of
> scenes being rewritten, the actor is simply replaced, as in fired. Despite the
> publicity surrounding people like Ellen Degeneres, Sir Ian McKellan, Sir John
> Geilgud, and Harvey Feirstein, most people in the entertainment industry have
> to stay in the closet because they do not have the clout or professional
> reputation which could guarantee them work, regardless of the level of
> homophobia in the industry. Bear in mind that when you publicly out an actor,
> director, producer, lighting tech, make-up artist, or whoever, you are running
> the risk of ruining their lives and careers. If you want to speculate about
> other people's sexual preferences (as if what they do in their own bedrooms is
> any of your business), do so among yourselves and do so privately.
Just to put in my tuppenorth - I agree it's not really a suitable topic
for discussion on this (or any other) NG for a variety of reasons.
However, just a small point, the original post does say OPENLY
gay, therefore I assume the poster was interested in actors who
have *already* come out, spoken about it and therefore are
okay with it being talked about.
Still an inappropriate topic, methinks, but the person who started
it deserves perhaps a little less browbeating.
Scott Andrews
Peace, Love and Colin's loafers
Quences
>that a gay person should be ashamed or fear
>admitting his sin.
>
>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
I disagree. Many gay people keep it secret because of what *others* may think
(family. friends) rather than because *they* think it is wrong to be gay.
It's often a matter of confidence, not shame.
Mark Phippen
Perfect Timing - 35 stories, drabbles and poems celebrating 35 years of Doctor
Who and in aid of the Foundation for the Study of Infant Deaths. For more
information visit: http://drwho.shada.com/perfect-timing/
Msquared
>Oh, so it's OK to be gay, just as long as you keep
>it a secret, eh?
>
>Well then - perhaps it's NOT OK to be gay after all...
What an absurd statement. I think maybe you missed the point of the earlier
post (i.e. homophobia = irrational fear of gay people, damages lives).
Anthony Brown
jay...@cheerful.com wrote:
> > JohnH10337 wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all...
> > >
> > > I got to thinking and wondering the other night about how many openly (and
> > > not-so-openly) gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our favourite
> > > show over the years?
> > >I'm sorry, but I don't really think that this is a very relevant thread to be
> starting, and in many ways is quite offensive as a person's sexuality should
> not be an issue.
If you look at John's initial message, yopu'll see he's asking if anyone knows of
OPENLY gay actors in the series (as in, I presume, stand up and be proud and
campaign), not for a rash of speculation about people (Ooh, he's very camp. Bet he's
one). As John writes for his local gay paper in New England (ta for the book review a
few years back, JH), I'd guess he's researching an article for that...
AB
---
My opinions do not reflect, etc etc
>
Serena Wakefield
tidbit from Azaxyr ...
>johnh...@aol.com (JohnH10337) writes:
>>Dallas Jones had written:
>>>The problem is most fans do not know which actors are 'openly gay' and thus
>>>they could
>>>accidentally be outing all sorts of people plus making accusations which
>>>may not be true.
>>A fair enough assessment... but why can't the discussion be limited to -- or at
>>least begin with -- those whose orientations are known and a matter of public
>>knowledge, as I've already said before? Or is this asking too much??
>If it's "OK to be gay", then there's no reason
>that a gay person should be ashamed or fear
>admitting his sin.
>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
Fallacy. You are making the assumption that there is only a single
standard of "right" and "wrong" -- in this case, that what is right
for oneself is also right for one's career.
Going on a diet is fine, but if one owns a gourmet restaurant one
might want to keep that diet hidden. Owning a cat is fine, but if one
raises gerbils for a living one might not want to discuss the cat in
front of customers.
Similarly, a gay actor might fear admitting this TRAIT, not because it
is wrong, or because it is a sin, but because other people might react
negatively to it.
--
Serena Wakefield
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Steve Day
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:28:01 +1100, Dallas Jones
<dal...@eagles.bbs.net.au> wrote:
>The problem is most fans do not know which actors are 'openly gay' and thus they could
>accidentally be outing all sorts of people plus making accusations which may not be
>true.
>
Too right, I always thought that Dalek fourth from the right in
Remembrance was a bit suspect......
--
You have the mouth of a prattering jackanapes, but you're
eyes... they tell a different story.
Steve Day
>that a gay person should be ashamed or fear
>admitting his sin.
Wow! What a paragraph. That says it all really....
>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
Is there something you want to tell us?
>"I didn't start this discussion, but since it reared it's
>ugly head, I feel compelled to state my views on it,
>for if I don't, some people might start believing
>the wrong ideas."
Why should a gay person automatically fancy you by the way? Or are
you jealous that they don't.....
Melmoth
> On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:28:01 +1100, Dallas Jones
> <dal...@eagles.bbs.net.au> wrote:
>
> >The problem is most fans do not know which actors are 'openly gay' and thus they could
> >accidentally be outing all sorts of people plus making accusations which may not be
> >true.
> >
> Too right, I always thought that Dalek fourth from the right in
> Remembrance was a bit suspect......
Yeah, and that one with his 'Special Weapon'.... well, I mean to say...
Scott Andrews
Peace, Love and KA-BOOOOM!!!!
Tim Roll-Pickering
> If you look at John's initial message, yopu'll see he's asking if anyone knows of
> OPENLY gay actors in the series (as in, I presume, stand up and be proud and
> campaign), not for a rash of speculation about people (Ooh, he's very camp. Bet he's
> one). As John writes for his local gay paper in New England (ta for the book review a
> few years back, JH), I'd guess he's researching an article for that...
Yes, but there are several different kinds of 'out', as shown by the
incident involving the now
EXminister-with-only-a-big-house-in-Notting-Hill!
Paul Rhodes
>Anthony Brown wrote:
>> If you look at John's initial message, yopu'll see he's asking if anyone knows of
>> OPENLY gay actors in the series (as in, I presume, stand up and be proud and
>> campaign), ...
>Yes, but there are several different kinds of 'out', as shown by the
>incident involving the now
>EXminister-with-only-a-big-house-in-Notting-Hill!
Anthony didn't use the word "out", he said "OPENLY gay" - funnily
enough, the same phrase used in the thread title, and the original
question - and "stand up and be proud ...". Where's the ambiguity?
(Frankly, even if he did say "out", I'd say there were only two common
usages in this context: as an adjective, meaning openly gay; and as a
verb, meaning to declare someone (including oneself) to be gay, with
or without their consent. I wouldn't say someone involuntarily "outed"
becomes "out". YMMV.)
Paul
Liz aka Mags
Paul Rhodes wrote in message <36af2ea1....@news.liffe.com>...
>Tim Roll-Pickering <t...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>Anthony Brown wrote:
>>> If you look at John's initial message, yopu'll see he's asking if anyone
knows of
>>> OPENLY gay actors in the series (as in, I presume, stand up and be proud
and
>>> campaign), ...
>
>>Yes, but there are several different kinds of 'out', as shown by the
>>incident involving the now
>>EXminister-with-only-a-big-house-in-Notting-Hill!
>
>Anthony didn't use the word "out", he said "OPENLY gay" - funnily
>enough, the same phrase used in the thread title, and the original
>question - and "stand up and be proud ...". Where's the ambiguity?
He did also use the phrase "and not-so openly gay" in the text of the
message which is probably where the confusion arose. Speculating in a public
forum about the sexual orientation of people, especially claiming that they
are gay by "reading between the lines" is definitely close enough to
'outing' a person for it to be objectionable.
Magrat
- -
Mags: Erm, I do have a life y'know... honest.
Rainey: <Patting Mags on the shoulder> Sure you do.
We all do. We just don't have it ON us at the moment is all.
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JMoore9926
>for discussion on this (or any other) NG for a variety of reasons.
>However, just a small point, the original post does say OPENLY
>gay, therefore I assume the poster was interested in actors who
>have *already* come out, spoken about it and therefore are
>okay with it being talked about.
>Still an inappropriate topic, methinks, but the person who started
>it deserves perhaps a little less browbeating.
>
>Peace, Love and Colin's loafers
>
Not so much browbeating as cauioning, and it was not so much directed at the
original poster as to the follow-ups that can began speculating about other
actors in the series, based largely on ignorant, homophobic stereotypes. Then
ofcourse our resident troll had to go and use it as an opportunity to attempt
to start another flame war. it's a n inappropraite topic for those reasons and
best ended now.
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Azaxyr
>>If it's "OK to be gay", then there's no reason
>>that a gay person should be ashamed or fear
>>admitting his sin.
>
>Wow! What a paragraph. That says it all really....
Yes, I wrote it very carefully so that it would
say the truth and nothing but the truth.
>>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
>
>Is there something you want to tell us?
Yes, since you asked.
Being gay is WRONG.
There, I've finally come out of the closet and
am openly admitting that I hate gays.
Satisfied?
Oh God, will I now be shunned forever as a gay-hater?
It's the way I am - I can't change that!
(lol)
>>"I didn't start this discussion, but since it reared it's
>>ugly head, I feel compelled to state my views on it,
>>for if I don't, some people might start believing
>>the wrong ideas."
>
>Why should a gay person automatically fancy you by the way?
??What the hell is this supposed to mean??
Why would I care how a gay person feels?
OBVIOUSLY I DON'T.
"If you haven't figured that out by now, you're
stupider than you sound."
Azaxyr
>
>>Oh, so it's OK to be gay, just as long as you keep
>>it a secret, eh?
>>
>>Well then - perhaps it's NOT OK to be gay after all...
>
>What an absurd statement. I think maybe you missed the point of the earlier
>post (i.e. homophobia = irrational fear of gay people, damages lives).
>
In that case, the KKK burning jews in effigy is
just other people's irrational fear of flames.
LOL
"It's the KKK members' way of life people -
let them shed their hoods and proudly admit
to what they are!"
Azaxyr
>Then ofcourse our resident troll had to go
>and use it as an opportunity to attempt to start
> another flame war
Ahh yes, obviously if someone says something
you disagree with, they're attempting to start
a flame war.
It's the gays that are largely responsible for
the breakdown of the moral fiber of our
society.
>it's a n inappropraite topic for those reasons and
>best ended now.
Then why do you keep contributing to it?
You should just shutup, and allow me to tell
everyone the truth, so that their perspective
on gays isn't impaired by your fallacies.
LLLLOOOOOLLLLL
Steve Day
>st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) writes:
>
>
>
>>>If it's "OK to be gay", then there's no reason
>>>that a gay person should be ashamed or fear
>>>admitting his sin.
>>
>>Wow! What a paragraph. That says it all really....
>
>Yes, I wrote it very carefully so that it would
>say the truth and nothing but the truth.
>>>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>>>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
>>
>>Is there something you want to tell us?
>
>Yes, since you asked.
>Being gay is WRONG.
In whose law? Not in the UK. Or are you going to start biblebashing
to us? If thats the case, all women are going to hell because they do
not slay a chicken each month when they have a period.
>There, I've finally come out of the closet and
>am openly admitting that I hate gays.
Fine. Now fuck off and join the Nazi party.
>Satisfied?
>
>Oh God, will I now be shunned forever as a gay-hater?
>It's the way I am - I can't change that!
>(lol)
Well, are you a jew hater as well then?
>>>"I didn't start this discussion, but since it reared it's
>>>ugly head, I feel compelled to state my views on it,
>>>for if I don't, some people might start believing
>>>the wrong ideas."
>>
>>Why should a gay person automatically fancy you by the way?
>
>??What the hell is this supposed to mean??
>Why would I care how a gay person feels?
>OBVIOUSLY I DON'T.
Obvious - you secretly like your bottom touched by a man.
>"If you haven't figured that out by now, you're
>stupider than you sound."
Huh.
Paul Rhodes
>He did also use the phrase "and not-so openly gay" in the text of the
Ah. So he did. I missed that. I agree with what's been said against
that kind of question.
Paul
Tim Roll-Pickering
> >Yes, but there are several different kinds of 'out', as shown by the
> >incident involving the now
> >EXminister-with-only-a-big-house-in-Notting-Hill!
> Anthony didn't use the word "out", he said "OPENLY gay" - funnily
> enough, the same phrase used in the thread title, and the original
> question - and "stand up and be proud ...". Where's the ambiguity?
Well, that's the phrase Paris also used about Mandelson-it's one thing
for people who know him to know he's gay, it's another for it to be
revealed so publicly.
Paul Rhodes
>> Anthony didn't use the word "out", he said "OPENLY gay" - [...]
>Well, that's the phrase Paris also used about Mandelson
No: the word was "certainly". Regardless of whether that's true,
Mandelson clearly isn't "openly gay", 'cos he hasn't openly said he
is!
>-it's one thing
>for people who know him to know he's gay, it's another for it to be
>revealed so publicly.
Which is surely the distinction between "openly" and "not openly"?
Paul
MFitch4846
>sexual orientation by "reading between the lines." You are on very shaky
>ground here and it is not something I advise others to start doing.
>
>continuing should others wish.
I just hope these actors don't begin sending scathing emails, after all they
are flamers.
Sorry...
:)
-Matt
"The more we learn, the less we know."-Andy McCluskey
"Chasing time from hour to hour, I pour the drinks and crush the flowers."-Neil
Tennant
shaun pool
People have died because of areshole like you and I will be avoiding
this ng until wankers like you have fucked off
Shaun
Azaxyr wrote:
Yes, since you asked.
> Being gay is WRONG.
> There, I've finally come out of the closet and
> am openly admitting that I hate gays.
Azaxyr
>People have died because of areshole like you and ***I will be avoiding
>this ng until wankers like you have fucked off***
>Shaun
Excellent.
This means we won't see your holy queerness around
here anymore.
Steve Day
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:05:48 +0000, shaun pool <shau...@aspects.net>
wrote:
Um Shaun, but if you do that, surely the likes of Azaxyr would have
won?
JohnH10337
>>I think that's because people weren't sure where you were coming from.
>>Given the number of gay flame wars we've had in the past, which
>>degenerated into some very vicious and personal attacks, I think a lot
>>of people here are wary of anything with "gay" in the headers.
Yes, that's very true... I haven't been on this newsgroup in much of a capacity
for quite a while, so I've probably missed quite a few flame wars on the
subject. I'll bear that in mind for future postings.
Thanks,
John
JohnH10337
People, we are losing focus here!
Instead of concentrating on the question at hand, we are degenerating into just
the sort of hateful rantings, personal attacks and squabblings which this
newsgroup does not need.
Unless you — and I mean ANYBODY — have something positive and/or constructive
to contribute, kindly keep quiet.
JohnH
djp...@bbn.com
st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:05:48 +0000, shaun pool <shau...@aspects.net>
> wrote:
>
> >So you should be shunned you fucking vermine.
> >People have died because of areshole like you and I will be avoiding
> >this ng until wankers like you have fucked off
> >Shaun
> >
> >Azaxyr wrote:
> >Yes, since you asked.
> >
> >> Being gay is WRONG.
> >> There, I've finally come out of the closet and
> >> am openly admitting that I hate gays.
> >> Satisfied?
> >>
> >> Oh God, will I now be shunned forever as a gay-hater?
> >
> >
> Um Shaun, but if you do that, surely the likes of Azaxyr would have
> won?
>
I can't get over how good Zax is at trolling people.
deX!
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Liz aka Mags
JohnH10337 wrote in message
<19990128001528...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
Erm, a, this is why your original post was greeted with such avoidance -
anything relating to sexual orientation and/or religion invariably becomes a
flamewar on radw.
And b, this is usenet, where threads are liable to move off on tangents that
the original poster never intended. That's just the way it is.
shaun pool
> Excellent.
> This means we won't see your holy queerness around
> here anymore.
>
That's a sure fire way to get me to stay. But I won't be fooled into
wasting peoples time by arguing with the likes of you.
Loves always
Your Holy Queerness
PS- Relevant, Dr Who related posts from now on only!
Anthony Brown
Azaxyr wrote:
> jmoor...@aol.com(JMoore9926) writes:
>
> >Then ofcourse our resident troll had to go
> >and use it as an opportunity to attempt to start
> > another flame war
>
> Ahh yes, obviously if someone says something
> you disagree with, they're attempting to start
> a flame war.
>
> It's the gays that are largely responsible for
> the breakdown of the moral fiber of our
> society.
That is an opinion. One you're entitled to hold if you insist, but which
other people are equally if not more entitled to get very angry about.
And given that this discussion has come up on this newsgroup before, and
is off topic, and you know that you're not convincing anyone else and
are making them angry, it would be polite if you didn't 'kick the
hornets nest.'
Anthony Brown
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
> Anthony Brown wrote:
>
> > If you look at John's initial message, yopu'll see he's asking if anyone knows of
> > OPENLY gay actors in the series (as in, I presume, stand up and be proud and
> > campaign), not for a rash of speculation about people (Ooh, he's very camp. Bet he's
> > one). As John writes for his local gay paper in New England (ta for the book review a
> > few years back, JH), I'd guess he's researching an article for that...
>
> Yes, but there are several different kinds of 'out', as shown by the
> incident involving the now
> EXminister-with-only-a-big-house-in-Notting-Hill!
Well, in the case of 'the guy from Timeflight' (aka Michael Cashman), we're talking
political activist, member of the Labour Party NEC and campaigner on Gay issues with
Stonewall... you couldn't get more out, proud and campaigning than that (even if the
tabloids put pressure on him to move that way during his EastEnnders time).
Peter Mandelson's always a problem if you're trying to believe you're liberal and
unprejudiced - I mean, is it Ok to be 'spin doctorphobic'? Surely people with an unnatural
desire to manipulate the media should be accepoted for what they are, and not feared or
pitied? :-)
[Why do I get the feeling that last joke's going to get on the wrong side of someone?]
Anthony Brown
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
> Paul Rhodes wrote:
>
> > >Yes, but there are several different kinds of 'out', as shown by the
> > >incident involving the now
> > >EXminister-with-only-a-big-house-in-Notting-Hill!
>
> > Anthony didn't use the word "out", he said "OPENLY gay" - funnily
> > enough, the same phrase used in the thread title, and the original
> > question - and "stand up and be proud ...". Where's the ambiguity?
>
> Well, that's the phrase Paris also used about Mandelson-it's one thing
> for people who know him to know he's gay, it's another for it to be
> revealed so publicly.
Actually, it had been mentioned in passing many times in serious profiles
over the previous two years (it had just never become a tabloid headline
until the Matthew Paris thing blew up). Which, up till that point, had
seemed a very positive sign about the way attitudes were changing and
becoming more accepting.
Liam Teer
> potential flame war here, and to be honest, I'm extremely surprised by the
> level of vehemence that my query has been greeted with!
Me too! Okay, perhaps it should be dropped, as noone is interested in contributing
to the thread (for some very good reasons which have been put forward) without
getting nasty and starting arguments I'm sure I've already read before on the ng.
I'm sure the original question was never meant to provoke such a violent reaction
from everyone as it did.
Liam.
Serena Wakefield
tidbit from Azaxyr ...
>st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) writes:
>>>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>>>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
>>Is there something you want to tell us?
>Yes, since you asked.
>Being gay is WRONG.
>There, I've finally come out of the closet and
>am openly admitting that I hate gays.
>Satisfied?
Translation: Azaxyr just realized there are more gays than Jews here.
Steve Day
>In article <36afefd...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:05:48 +0000, shaun pool <shau...@aspects.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >So you should be shunned you fucking vermine.
>> >People have died because of areshole like you and I will be avoiding
>> >this ng until wankers like you have fucked off
>> >Shaun
>> >
>> >Azaxyr wrote:
>> >Yes, since you asked.
>> >
>> >> Being gay is WRONG.
>> >> There, I've finally come out of the closet and
>> >> am openly admitting that I hate gays.
>> >> Satisfied?
>> >>
>> >> Oh God, will I now be shunned forever as a gay-hater?
>> >
>> >
>> Um Shaun, but if you do that, surely the likes of Azaxyr would have
>> won?
>>
>
>I can't get over how good Zax is at trolling people.
>
>deX!
Theres trollers and theres fuckwits. And we all know which one Zax
is, don't we? (For those who don't understand, such as friends of
Zax, he is a fuckwit).
Steve Day
Wakefield) wrote:
>On 27 Jan 1999 17:47:21 GMT, hidden microphones recorded this juicy
>tidbit from Azaxyr ...
>>st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) writes:
>
>>>>If he can't admit to it publicly, it proves that
>>>>it's not OK, and that he himself is aware it's not OK.
>
>>>Is there something you want to tell us?
>
>>Yes, since you asked.
>>Being gay is WRONG.
>>There, I've finally come out of the closet and
>>am openly admitting that I hate gays.
>>Satisfied?
>
>Translation: Azaxyr just realized there are more gays than Jews here.
In my experience, those who berate gays and have this sort of
homophobia have yet to come to terms with their own sexuality. It's a
form of self-oppression. I'm not saying that Axa is gay, but his
hatred is totally weird....
Daniel Denman
reasonable hope of some lubricious tittle-tattle, only to find endless
homilies on the ethics of outing. I want goss, and I want it now.
Anyway, there's a clear public interest in exposing the gay mafia in Dr Who.
We all know they do each other favours. (I'm sorry, that last bit was
written under the demonic influence of Norman Tebbit.)
Dan
Benjamin F. Elliott
>djp...@bbn.com writes:
>>I can't get over how good Zax is at trolling people.
>
>I'm the Master, baby!
>
We should have known. So, are you Beevers, Ainley, Tipple, or Roberts? I'm
guessing you're not Delgado or Pratt.
Benjamin F. Elliott
Azaxyr
>I can't get over how good Zax is at trolling people.
I'm the Master, baby!
"All these worlds....
Azaxyr
>
>In my experience, those who berate gays and have this sort of
>homophobia have yet to come to terms with their own sexuality. It's a
>form of self-oppression. I'm not saying that Axa is gay, but his
>hatred is totally weird....
Yes, and those who berate the KKK and are
terrified shitless of white supramacists have yet
to come to terms with accepting other people's
opinions.
I'm not saying these people are stupid morons,
but they obviously have a fear of fire and white sheets...
Azaxyr
>Azaxyr wrote:
>
>> Excellent.
>> This means we won't see your holy queerness around
>> here anymore.
>>
>
>That's a sure fire way to get me to stay. But I won't be fooled into
>wasting peoples time by arguing with the likes of you.
>Loves always
>Your Holy Queerness
Gee, what a surprise.
Like every other litlle turd on this newsgroup,
you promise to leave, then the next day
come up with a reason not to.
Oh, wait - you're not even reading this, are you?
Daniel Gooley
>Azaxyr wrote
>>I'm the Master, baby!
>>
>We should have known. So, are you Beevers, Ainley, Tipple, or Roberts? I'm
>guessing you're not Delgado or Pratt.
Oh, I don't know. I think he's a Pratt.
Danny
Melmoth
> Azaxyr wrote in message <19990128192148...@ng09.aol.com>...
>
> >djp...@bbn.com writes:
> >>I can't get over how good Zax is at trolling people.
> >
> >I'm the Master, baby!
> >
> We should have known. So, are you Beevers, Ainley, Tipple, or Roberts? I'm
> guessing you're not Delgado or Pratt.
Oh no, he's a *total* Pratt.
Scott Andrews
Peace, Love and pregnant Goldfish
Paul 'Ozymandias' Harman
Benjamin F. Elliott <bfel...@jnpcs.com> wrote in message
news:78rclu$3jj$1...@clarknet.clark.net...
>Azaxyr wrote in message <19990128192148...@ng09.aol.com>...
>
>>djp...@bbn.com writes:
>>>I can't get over how good Zax is at trolling people.
>>
>>I'm the Master, baby!
>>
>We should have known. So, are you Beevers, Ainley, Tipple, or Roberts? I'm
>guessing you're not Delgado or Pratt.
Oh, I dunno.. Azazyr could well be Pratt.
Ozzy
djp...@bbn.com
st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:53:06 GMT, djp...@bbn.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
>
> is, don't we? (For those who don't understand, such as friends of
> Zax, he is a fuckwit).
>
Doesn't it bother you that someone you consider to be a fuckwit is playing
you like a cheap fiddle?
Steve Day
>st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) writes:
>
>
>
>>
>>In my experience, those who berate gays and have this sort of
>>homophobia have yet to come to terms with their own sexuality. It's a
>>form of self-oppression. I'm not saying that Axa is gay, but his
>>hatred is totally weird....
>
>Yes, and those who berate the KKK and are
>terrified shitless of white supramacists have yet
>to come to terms with accepting other people's
>opinions.
>I'm not saying these people are stupid morons,
>but they obviously have a fear of fire and white sheets...
>
>
>"All these worlds....
>
>...Will make excellent sites for our garbage dumps."
So now you admit to being a faschist (sic - cant be bothered to spell
THAT word). The hole you are digging is getting deeper and deeper.
Azaxyr
>>>In my experience, those who berate gays and have this sort of
>>>homophobia have yet to come to terms with their own sexuality. It's a
>>>form of self-oppression. I'm not saying that Axa is gay, but his
>>>hatred is totally weird....
>>
>>Yes, and those who berate the KKK and are
>>terrified shitless of white supramacists have yet
>>to come to terms with accepting other people's
>>opinions.
>>I'm not saying these people are stupid morons,
>>but they obviously have a fear of fire and white sheets...
>>
>>
>>"All these worlds....
>>
>>...Will make excellent sites for our garbage dumps."
>
>So now you admit to being a faschist
In what way?
>(sic - cant be bothered to spell THAT word).
There's your problem - you can't be bothered
to accept other people's opinions either.
>The hole you are digging is getting deeper and deeper.
"All the more queers I can fit in it!"
lbr...@my-dejanews.com
st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) wrote:
> On 27 Jan 1999 17:47:21 GMT, aza...@aol.com (Azaxyr) wrote:
>
> >There, I've finally come out of the closet and
> >am openly admitting that I hate gays.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage him to act out his hatred any more
than he already is. He obviously has a very serious problem, and I’m pretty
sure you helped reinforce it by doing exactly what he said he expected you to
do. You’re agreeing with him that he can’t do anything to change the fact he
hates people, and I’d hope you know better than that.
L.
PSYC...@webtv.net
Mariane Desautels
>
> I fail to see the importance of pointing out who is gay in DOCTOR WHO (
> unless your looking for a date....hmmm?) People are people, & thank god
> for the differences. What a dull world ours ( and WHO's ) would be if we
> were all the same.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> [Image] I used to be quite mad....but I'm much better now!
Oi! No graphics, docs, exes, or other forms of binary attachments in
here! Please!
This is a text newsgroup, intended for text-based exchanges only.
Binaries belong in the alt.binaries.* hierarchy, where people know what
to expect.
M
--
"Hello. My name is Agent Scully. You killed my father,
my sister, my daughter and my dog, gave me cancer, abducted me,
performed bizarre experiments on me and made me chase suspect in
heels. Prepare to die." --- Lady Miss Tree ---
Mariane Desautels
>
> Mariane Desautels <desautel...@videotron.ca> writes:
>
> >Oi! No graphics, docs, exes, or other forms of binary attachments in
> >here! Please!
>
It got poison ivy.
Patricia and/or Donald Gillikin
>Azaxyr wrote in message <19990128192148...@ng09.aol.com>...
>
>>djp...@bbn.com writes:
>>
>>
>We should have known. So, are you Beevers, Ainley, Tipple, or Roberts? I'm
>guessing you're not Delgado or Pratt.
>
He's a mythical Master as played by Matthew Waterhouse.
-Donald
--
"When I was on the river, I heard the strange babble of inhuman voices--"
"--.Oh, probably undergraduates talking to each other, I expect. I've
tried to have it banned."
-- The Doctor and Professor Chronotis
DOCTOR WHO: "Shada", by Douglas Adams
Azaxyr
>Oi! No graphics, docs, exes, or other forms of binary attachments in
>here! Please!
Now now, what happened to tolerance?
"All these worlds....
William December Starr
HIS...@leeds.nospam.ac.uk (Msquared) said:
>> Oh, so it's OK to be gay, just as long as you keep
>> it a secret, eh?
>>
>> Well then - perhaps it's NOT OK to be gay after all...
>> [Henry "Azaxyr" Vizi]
>
> What an absurd statement. I think maybe you missed the point of the
> earlier post (i.e. homophobia = irrational fear of gay people,
> damages lives).
No, our darling Henry didn't miss anything. He's just a professional
jerk (or he would be if he could get any funding for it, anyway).
-- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
William December Starr
mel...@compuserve.com.spamaway said:
> Just to put in my tuppenorth - I agree it's not really a suitable topic
> for discussion on this (or any other) NG for a variety of reasons.
> However, just a small point, the original post does say OPENLY
> gay, therefore I assume the poster was interested in actors who
> have *already* come out, spoken about it and therefore are
> okay with it being talked about.
> Still an inappropriate topic, methinks, but the person who started
> it deserves perhaps a little less browbeating.
Unfortunately, the original post actually said: "I got to thinking and
wondering the other night about how many openly (and not-so-openly)
gay, lesbian or bisexual actors have appeared in our favourite show
over the years?"
I think it's the "and not-so-openly" part that's got a few people
upset. With some justification, IMHO.
William December Starr
lbr...@my-dejanews.com said of Henry "Azaxyr" Vizi:
> I don't think it's a good idea to encourage him to act out his
> hatred any more than he already is.
I think it is. After all, he's such a dweeb that if he could just be
goaded into acting out his hatred in real life, all he'd accomplish
would be to get himself squashed like a bug. I'm all for that.
William December Starr
st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) said:
> In my experience, those who berate gays and have this sort of
> homophobia have yet to come to terms with their own sexuality.
> It's a form of self-oppression. I'm not saying that Axa is
> gay, but his hatred is totally weird....
No, what's totally weird is how painfully desperate he is for
attention. So desperate that he'll publicly, on an ongoing basis,
pretend to be a small-brained bigot -- when in reality he believes in
nothing beyond his own self-gratification -- just because he feels
that being derided and despised is far better than not having his
existence acknowledged at all.
Stephen Watson
Mariane Desautels <desautelsm...@POLLUTIONvideotron.ca>
pontificated:
> PSYC...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image] I used to be quite mad....but I'm much better now!
>
> Oi! No graphics, docs, exes, or other forms of binary attachments in
> here! Please!
It wasn't a binary, it was a HTML fragment that linked to a image on a
web site. Singularly pointless for those of us who read news groups
with a real newsreader instead of a web browser, but not a binary
posting.
--
Stephen Watson <URL:http://www.kerofin.demon.co.uk/> Glorantha & RISC OS
"A friend in need is a friend that bleeds."
lbr...@my-dejanews.com
I'm sure you are, as long as you're not the one who gets hurt if he acts his
hatred out physically. Do you feel the same way about racists and
misogynists?
I don't understand why any person would want to encourage this sort of thing.
JohnH10337
>I think it's the "and not-so-openly" part that's got a few people
>upset. With some justification, IMHO.
Yes, I can see where that might have upset some people -- although not to the
degree that it has.
What I had meant by that part was, people who might be openly gay in England,
but aren't that well-known in the U.S. That fellow from "Time-Flight," whose
name keeps eluding me, for example: he could hardly be any outer in the U.K.,
but I doubt that the vast majority of Americans would have the slightest clue
who he is...
JohnH
BBHinson
OK, here's my take on this topic. Why are we even worried? I personally have
no problem with gay people, and I see nothing wrong with them being
actors/actresses. I don't see what the difference is between straight people
and gay people when it comes to a job. We all know Azzy is a wanker when it
comes to this, but why is everyone else making such a big deal out of this?
I'm not trying to start a flamewar; I'm trying to figure out why it matters.
Take care!
Becky
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Captain of the PMESB
"Not all who wander are lost" --J.R.R. Tolkien
Denis Leary and Bob, working together to make a better tomorrow!
Azaxyr
>Hello All!
>
>OK, here's my take on this topic. Why are we even worried? I personally
>have
>no problem with gay people, and I see nothing wrong with them being
>actors/actresses. I don't see what the difference is between straight people
>and gay people when it comes to a job. We all know Azzy is a wanker when it
>comes to this, but why is everyone else making such a big deal out of this?
>
>I'm not trying to start a flamewar; I'm trying to figure out why it matters.
It doesn't.
We could be talking about Hershey's vs Nestlee
chocolate.
If I said Hershey's tastes like shit, all the Hershey
lovers would have the same reaction as they do
here.
It all comes down to the fact that most people
here are unable to accept other people's opinions if those opinions differ from
their own.
Susannah Tiller
>
> Hello All!
>
> OK, here's my take on this topic. Why are we even worried? I personally have
> no problem with gay people, and I see nothing wrong with them being
> actors/actresses. I don't see what the difference is between straight people
> and gay people when it comes to a job. We all know Azzy is a wanker when it
> comes to this, but why is everyone else making such a big deal out of this?
>
> I'm not trying to start a flamewar; I'm trying to figure out why it matters.
>
various actors who might have wished to remain closeted, and also
degenerate into one of those tiresome gay flame wars.
Most of us don't have problems with gay, lesbian, biseuxal and
trangsender people; it's just that there's a small but vocal minority
here who can drag any thread down.
Regards,
Susannah
--
Susannah Tiller - c9708213 AT alinga DOT Newcastle DOT edu DOT au
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/5460/index.html
"The right to be heard does not automatically include the right
to be taken seriously" - H. H. Humphrey
David McLoughlin
> Most of us don't have problems with gay, lesbian, biseuxal and
> trangsender people; it's just that there's a small but vocal minority
> here who can drag any thread down.
For what it's worth, I don't think someone's sexual orientation has any
relevance at all to this newsgroup. I suspect you'd think the same,
Susannah.
Apart from admiring how good looking some of the people in Dr Who were,
of course...
David McLoughlin
Auckland New Zealand
Auckland didn’t become the ugly sprawling mess it is today through the
foresight of its city fathers.
Slake
Azaxyr wrote:
> HIS...@leeds.nospam.ac.uk (Msquared) writes:
>
> >What an absurd statement. I think maybe you missed the point of the earlier
> >post (i.e. homophobia = irrational fear of gay people, damages lives).
> >
>
> In that case, the KKK burning jews in effigy is
> just other people's irrational fear of flames.
> LOL
Great Diplomats of the Late 20th Century:
#1: Azaxyr. "So anyway, these two faggots walk into a synagogue..."
--
Slake
ICQ:21190014
Susannah Tiller
>
> Susannah Tiller wrote:
>
> > Most of us don't have problems with gay, lesbian, biseuxal and
> > trangsender people; it's just that there's a small but vocal minority
> > here who can drag any thread down.
>
> For what it's worth, I don't think someone's sexual orientation has any
> relevance at all to this newsgroup. I suspect you'd think the same,
> Susannah.
Of course peoples' sexual orientation *shouldn't* make any difference to
the newsgroup. Of course if has no relevance to 99.9999999999% of
discussions here.
But the fact is, with some of the poeple posting here, mentions of
sexuality do tend to degenerate into flamewars, often about the
"rightness" or "wriogness" or homosexuality.
I was just trying to explain why the "openly gay actors" thread caused
such a furour, I've got not wish to start another gay flame war.
David McLoughlin
> I was just trying to explain why the "openly gay actors" thread caused
> such a furour, I've got not wish to start another gay flame war.
Oh yes, I was merely supporting you. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
I have deliberately ignored Azaxyr and his bigotry despite the
temptation to respond at times, but I know it would only encourage him.
David McLoughlin
Auckland New Zealand
"When you meet the head of State in England, you only have to go down on
one knee."
-- John Cleese, in reply to a radio reporter’s question asking about
differences between England and the United States.
Steve Day
>Doesn't it bother you that someone you consider to be a fuckwit is playing
>you like a cheap fiddle?
>
>deX!
>
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Steve Day
Starr) wrote:
>No, what's totally weird is how painfully desperate he is for
>attention. So desperate that he'll publicly, on an ongoing basis,
>pretend to be a small-brained bigot -- when in reality he believes in
>nothing beyond his own self-gratification -- just because he feels
>that being derided and despised is far better than not having his
>existence acknowledged at all.
>
But hes not getting much support is he? He must be one hell of a loner
who masturbates by reading what people say about him.
R.J. Smith
William December Starr <wds...@crl.com> wrote:
>In article <36b4cf40...@news.demon.co.uk>,
>st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) said:
>> In my experience, those who berate gays and have this sort of
>> homophobia have yet to come to terms with their own sexuality.
>> It's a form of self-oppression. I'm not saying that Axa is
>> gay, but his hatred is totally weird....
>No, what's totally weird is how painfully desperate he is for
>attention. So desperate that he'll publicly, on an ongoing basis,
>pretend to be a small-brained bigot -- when in reality he believes in
>nothing beyond his own self-gratification -- just because he feels
>that being derided and despised is far better than not having his
>existence acknowledged at all.
What is sadly not weird is the way he gets exactly the attention he
requires because so many people have trouble exercising self-restraint in
following up to his posts.
- Robert Smith?
Susannah Tiller
>
> Susannah Tiller wrote:
>
> > I was just trying to explain why the "openly gay actors" thread caused
> > such a furour, I've got not wish to start another gay flame war.
>
> Oh yes, I was merely supporting you. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
> I have deliberately ignored Azaxyr and his bigotry despite the
> temptation to respond at times, but I know it would only encourage him.
>
going against me. Cheers.
David McLoughlin
> Oh right, I just couldn't work out whether you were supporting me or
> going against me. Cheers.
I follow this newsgroup because I enjoy Dr Who, but in real life I have
no time for bigotry of any kind and particularly the homophobic kind. It
is sad to see such things rear up in what ought to be a neutral group --
except of course the bigots just troll their way through Usenet seeking
targets regardless of the group. A shame.
regards
David McLoughlin
Auckland New Zealand
While Parliament is in session, no working person's income, nor anyone's
rights and freedoms, are safe from plunder by their elected
representatives.
djp...@bbn.com
st...@redimp.demon.co.uk (Steve Day) wrote:
>
> >Doesn't it bother you that someone you consider to be a fuckwit is playing
> >you like a cheap fiddle?
> >
> >deX!
> >
> Eh? Is he? Thought he was flapping like a kite.
>
By responding to his flamebait, you're giving him what he wants.
deX!
William December Starr
lbr...@my-dejanews.com said:
>> I think it is. After all, he's such a dweeb that if he could just
>> be goaded into acting out his hatred in real life, all he'd
>> accomplish would be to get himself squashed like a bug. I'm all
>> for that. [wdstarr]
>
> I'm sure you are, as long as you're not the one who gets hurt if he
> acts his hatred out physically. Do you feel the same way about
> racists and misogynists?
>
> I don't understand why any person would want to encourage this sort
> of thing.
As I meant to imply with the phrase "he's such a dweeb," I see Henry
as sort of a special case -- even if he did try to physically act out
his attention-getting idiocies in real life, he's such an ineffectual
twit that he'd pose no real threat to his target's life, limb or
property.
Or did you mean that you can't understand why any person would want to
encourage the stomping of someone like Henry into a gooey gelatinous
mess?