Doctor Who "The End of Time"
Captain Infinity
"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
**
Captain Infinity
...future imperfect, presently unstable, but past caring.
Edward Cowling London UK
Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> writes
>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>
>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>
The same way he can have fire on an airless Mars :-)
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The Face of Po
Captain Infinity got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> "The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>
> Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
He overshot. Once he's arrived somewhere, the [wibble] means he can't
go back and get there a bit earlier.
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...apart from the times that he can of course!
(As in the 9th Doctor in Fathers Day, who managed to go back to the
accident scene a few minutes before it happened to let Rose have another
go at saving her Father, after she fluffed the first one.) But who expects
consistency from RTD?
Darangutan
> > go back and get there a bit earlier.
>
> ...apart from the times that he can of course!
>
> (As in the 9th Doctor in Fathers Day, who managed to go back to the
> accident scene a few minutes before it happened to let Rose have another
> go at saving her Father, after she fluffed the first one.) But who expects
> consistency from RTD?
I expect consistency from RTD.... the same consistency as dog
diahroea.
A Time Lord cannot revisit his own time line. Exceptions to that rule
have been notable - Rose wanting to see her dad again was not.
Dar
Edward Cowling London UK
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because he wasn't allowed to take non Time Lords to Gallifrey.
Then he took Leela there a few weeks later :-)
Dr Who is full of inconsistencies, because you can't expect each new
writer to spend years reading all that came before. On one DVD special
there is mention one script that had something like 130 continuity
errors when closely examined !
The Doctor
Depends on how time is streaming.
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Darangutan <octof...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > He overshot. =A0Once he's arrived somewhere, the [wibble] means he can'=
>t
>> > go back and get there a bit earlier.
>>
>> ...apart from the times that he can of course!
>>
>> (As in the 9th Doctor in Fathers Day, who managed to go back to the
>> accident scene a few minutes before it happened to let Rose have another
>s
>> consistency from RTD?
>
>I expect consistency from RTD.... the same consistency as dog
>diahroea.
>
>A Time Lord cannot revisit his own time line. Exceptions to that rule
>have been notable - Rose wanting to see her dad again was not.
>
>Dar
Time Wars messed that up.
The Doctor
The Doctor
pbo...@aol.com
He didn't arrive late in the first place. The Master's resurrection
presumably occurred before he was warned by the Ood, since by that
time he was alive and implanting visions in people's heads. Once he'd
taken action as a response to a warning by the Ood that the Master was
alive, presumably the Master's resurrection counted as an event within
the Doctor's timeline, and so unchangeable.
In any case, there's no suggestion in the script that the Doctor
intended to prevent the Master's resurrection, only to stop whatever
his plans were once he knew the Master was back.
Phil
The Doctor
pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 30 Dec, 13:29, The Face of Po
><gkenning...@potatojunkie.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> Captain Infinity got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>
>p
>> > "The End of Time". =A0Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroye=
>d.
>>
>> > Quick question: =A0how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>
>> He overshot. =A0Once he's arrived somewhere, the [wibble] means he can't
>> go back and get there a bit earlier.
>
>He didn't arrive late in the first place. The Master's resurrection
>presumably occurred before he was warned by the Ood, since by that
>time he was alive and implanting visions in people's heads. Once he'd
>taken action as a response to a warning by the Ood that the Master was
>alive, presumably the Master's resurrection counted as an event within
>the Doctor's timeline, and so unchangeable.
>
>In any case, there's no suggestion in the script that the Doctor
>intended to prevent the Master's resurrection, only to stop whatever
>his plans were once he knew the Master was back.
>
>Phil
Thanks for the good spoilers.
The Face of Po
But when he did that, the Flying Time Monkeys showed up, kidnapped
people, stole the TARDIS innards and nearly destroyed reality.
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The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell
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That's why I didn't bother going back any further than RTD's era. But HE
should know what has gone before during his tenure!
But it is sci-fi, so things can just be made up on the hoof and it can all
be put down to the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey effect. Which is pretty much
why I don't take DW as seriously as some people. It's just entertainment
Jim... but not as we know it. :-)
The Doctor
Well RTD confirmed the whole continuity in Doctor Who: The NExt Doctor.
Jack Bohn
>> Captain Infinity got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>
>> > Quick question: �how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>
>
>He didn't arrive late in the first place. The Master's resurrection
>presumably occurred before he was warned by the Ood,
Well, yes, because the Ood have been one hundred years recovering
from being enslaved by future humans, which raises the question
what effects this whole "end of time" thing will have.
>In any case, there's no suggestion in the script that the Doctor
>intended to prevent the Master's resurrection, only to stop whatever
>his plans were once he knew the Master was back.
Point there.
--
-Jack
pbo...@aol.com
> pbowles wrote:
> >> Captain Infinity got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>
> >> > Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>
> >He didn't arrive late in the first place. The Master's resurrection
> >presumably occurred before he was warned by the Ood,
>
> Well, yes, because the Ood have been one hundred years recovering
> from being enslaved by future humans, which raises the question
> what effects this whole "end of time" thing will have.
Okay, "before" from the Doctor's point of view.
Phil
Jack Bohn
>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>
>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
A few less obvious questions:
So who did pick up the ring, and how? Or was the Master's body
burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
thought at the time?
Is this shown uninterrupted on the BBC (and the CBC)? About 40
minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
will bring the Last Day. This seems like a place to put a small
cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
Another big threat producing premonitions all year, introduced
with voice overs saying what a big threat it is, and the
cliffhanger showing a mass of threats chanting in unison. I
don't know if I'm getting tired of this, or if it's just that
there were only three episodes of other stuff this year rather
than ten.
--
-Jack
pbo...@aol.com
> Captain Infinity wrote:
> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> >"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>
> >Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>
> A few less obvious questions:
> So who did pick up the ring, and how? Or was the Master's body
> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
> thought at the time?
It was shown to be one of the cultists who resurrected him. It wasn't
explained how she got to Utopia and back. He can't have been burned on
Earth because it was established in End of Time that the Doctor burned
the body, and he was stranded on Utopia until the start of the
following episode (where we saw he was carrying no body with him).
> Is this shown uninterrupted on the BBC (and the CBC)? About 40
> minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
> face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
> will bring the Last Day. This seems like a place to put a small
> cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
> Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
Don't remember what happened when - what was the small cliffhanger?
> Another big threat producing premonitions all year, introduced
> with voice overs saying what a big threat it is, and the
> cliffhanger showing a mass of threats chanting in unison. I
> don't know if I'm getting tired of this, or if it's just that
> there were only three episodes of other stuff this year rather
> than ten.
No, the foreboding narration really was appalling.
Phil
Sweet Zombie Jeebus
> On 31 Dec, 23:29, Jack Bohn <jackb...@bright.net> wrote:
>> Captain Infinity wrote:
>>> So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>> "The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>> Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>> A few less obvious questions:
>> So who did pick up the ring, and how? Or was the Master's body
>> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
>> thought at the time?
>
> It was shown to be one of the cultists who resurrected him. It wasn't
> explained how she got to Utopia and back. He can't have been burned on
> Earth because it was established in End of Time that the Doctor burned
> the body, and he was stranded on Utopia until the start of the
> following episode (where we saw he was carrying no body with him).
>
You've lost me here; the Doctor burned the Master's body at the end of
Last Of The Timelords - there's no mention that he went back to Utopia
to do this. In End Of Time he re-iterates that he burned the Master's
body - but again there's no mention of Utopia, unless I've missed
something...
pbo...@aol.com
wrote:
> pbow...@aol.com wrote:
> > On 31 Dec, 23:29, Jack Bohn <jackb...@bright.net> wrote:
> >> Captain Infinity wrote:
> >>> So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> >>> "The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
> >>> Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
> >> A few less obvious questions:
> >> So who did pick up the ring, and how? Or was the Master's body
> >> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
> >> thought at the time?
>
> > It was shown to be one of the cultists who resurrected him. It wasn't
> > explained how she got to Utopia and back. He can't have been burned on
> > Earth because it was established in End of Time that the Doctor burned
> > the body, and he was stranded on Utopia until the start of the
> > following episode (where we saw he was carrying no body with him).
>
> You've lost me here; the Doctor burned the Master's body at the end of
> Last Of The Timelords
D'oh! Of course, why did I imagine he died in Utopia?
- there's no mention that he went back to Utopia
> to do this. In End Of Time he re-iterates that he burned the Master's
> body - but again there's no mention of Utopia, unless I've missed
> something...
Which still doesn't address the question of where the random cultist
came from, how she knew the Master was being cremated at that point
or, if she was following the Doctor, why he never noticed her - she
didn't exactly go to great lengths to stay hidden.
Phil
The Face of Po
> Captain Infinity wrote:
>
>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>
>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>
>
> A few less obvious questions:
> So who did pick up the ring, and how?
The old lady who organised the resurrection ceremony.
> Or was the Master's body
> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
> thought at the time?
The shot of the ring being picked up was in "Last of the Time Lords", so
although it could have been mistaken for the Utopia quarry initially, I
think we were meant to realise that it was another human and therefore
on Earth - fan speculation at the time was that it could have been Lucy.
> Is this shown uninterrupted on the BBC
Yes.
> (and the CBC)? About 40
> minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
> face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
> will bring the Last Day. This seems like a place to put a small
> cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
> Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
The narrated montage looked like the right place for an ad break, yes.
Watching it through, the way that the narrator saying "the /final/ day"
flows into the Doctor/Master lightning-bolt confrontation comes across
as "the final day... starts like this:".
--
Happiness will prevail
The Doctor
REcall LAst of the Time Lords - The MAster was always watching the Doctor and
turned the TARDIS into a paradox machine.
The Doctor
At the End of Last ofthe TimeLords the MAster's human wife
picked up his ring IIRC.
The Doctor
pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 31 Dec, 23:29, Jack Bohn <jackb...@bright.net> wrote:
>> Captain Infinity wrote:
>> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>.
>>
>> >Quick question: =A0how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>
>> A few less obvious questions:
>> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
>> thought at the time?
>
>It was shown to be one of the cultists who resurrected him. It wasn't
>explained how she got to Utopia and back. He can't have been burned on
>Earth because it was established in End of Time that the Doctor burned
>the body, and he was stranded on Utopia until the start of the
>following episode (where we saw he was carrying no body with him).
>
>> minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
>> face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
>> cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
>> Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
>
>Don't remember what happened when - what was the small cliffhanger?
>
>> Another big threat producing premonitions all year, introduced
>> with voice overs saying what a big threat it is, and the
>> don't know if I'm getting tired of this, or if it's just that
>> there were only three episodes of other stuff this year rather
>> than ten.
>
>No, the foreboding narration really was appalling.
>
>Phil
REcall the Master was resurrected during the Time War.
Hmm ...
The Doctor
The Doctor
pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 31 Dec, 13:30, Sweet Zombie Jeebus <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> pbow...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On 31 Dec, 23:29, Jack Bohn <jackb...@bright.net> wrote:
>> >> Captain Infinity wrote:
>top
>> >>> "The End of Time". =A0Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destro=
>yed.
>> >>> Quick question: =A0how can a time traveler arrive late?
>> >> A few less obvious questions:
>> >> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
>> >> thought at the time?
>>
>> > It was shown to be one of the cultists who resurrected him. It wasn't
>> > explained how she got to Utopia and back. He can't have been burned on
>> > Earth because it was established in End of Time that the Doctor burned
>> > the body, and he was stranded on Utopia until the start of the
>> > following episode (where we saw he was carrying no body with him).
>>
>> You've lost me here; the Doctor burned the Master's body at the end of
>> Last Of The Timelords
>
>D'oh! Of course, why did I imagine he died in Utopia?
>
>- there's no mention that he went back to Utopia
>> to do this. In End Of Time he re-iterates that he burned the Master's
>> body - but again there's no mention of Utopia, unless I've missed
>> something...
>
>Which still doesn't address the question of where the random cultist
>came from, how she knew the Master was being cremated at that point
>or, if she was following the Doctor, why he never noticed her - she
>didn't exactly go to great lengths to stay hidden.
>
>Phil
In this case RTD has spun an tangled time web.
The Doctor
CBC has not show the 5 DT specials; SPace has now picked up DW..
The Doctor
Edward Cowling London UK <Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>, Captain
>Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> writes
>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>
>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>
>
>
>--
>Edward Cowling North London UK http://www.facebook.com/ed.cowling
> http://twitter.com/gnilwoce
>
Point well taken.
Jack Bohn
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>Jack Bohn got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>
>> A few less obvious questions:
>> So who did pick up the ring, and how?
>
>The old lady who organised the resurrection ceremony.
>
>> Or was the Master's body
>> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
>> thought at the time?
>
>The shot of the ring being picked up was in "Last of the Time Lords", so
>although it could have been mistaken for the Utopia quarry initially, I
>think we were meant to realise that it was another human and therefore
>on Earth - fan speculation at the time was that it could have been Lucy.
Didn't speculation switch to the Ranni during the "she returns"
tease for the year before this?
I forget if it was explicitly said to be the head cultist. We
could still think it was Lucy, not under hypnotic compulsion, nor
wanting power in the same sense as the cultists, but in some way
just to know she now "owned" the Master the way he'd owned her.
And then it went horribly wrong.
>> About 40
>> minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
>> face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
>> will bring the Last Day. This seems like a place to put a small
>> cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
>> Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
>
>The narrated montage looked like the right place for an ad break, yes.
>Watching it through, the way that the narrator saying "the /final/ day"
>flows into the Doctor/Master lightning-bolt confrontation comes across
>as "the final day... starts like this:".
Thanks. It seems like the opposite problem to most DVDs of
commercial TV shows: where the music swells up and the scene
fades out for a moment, then fading back in with the music
starting over. Here it seemed like a full stop, with no way to
pick up the next scene. (I might even argue that three to five
minutes of thinking, "Who? What? How?" before continuing the
story is more effective.) But BBC America's clumsy cutting at
the transition point to commercials may have obscured any actual
flow between the scenes.
--
-Jack
Jack Bohn
Right again. The Ood appeared to him in the street at the end of
"Waters of Mars" fifty years after the time of Donna Noble.
(Not that I'm trying to discourage you. Somehow, somewhere,
someone will come up with a clever way to explain a simultaneous
threat across multiple eras.)
I like the idea that the Doctor didn't really intend to (want to)
interfere with the Master coming back to life. This fits in with
the discussion from "Waters of Mars" about life being the
relationships with people you care about, and making a
difference, not just breathing. It's also groping towards an
explanation why a Doctor with a controllable TARDIS isn't seeking
out empires to topple and invaders to thwart (without merely
making him a Ford Prefect looking for the next party).
--
-Jack
The Doctor
Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>The Face of Po wrote:
>
>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>Jack Bohn got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>
>>> A few less obvious questions:
>>> So who did pick up the ring, and how?
>>
>>The old lady who organised the resurrection ceremony.
>>
>>> Or was the Master's body
>>> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
>>> thought at the time?
>>
>>The shot of the ring being picked up was in "Last of the Time Lords", so
>>although it could have been mistaken for the Utopia quarry initially, I
>>think we were meant to realise that it was another human and therefore
>>on Earth - fan speculation at the time was that it could have been Lucy.
>
>Didn't speculation switch to the Ranni during the "she returns"
>tease for the year before this?
>I forget if it was explicitly said to be the head cultist. We
>could still think it was Lucy, not under hypnotic compulsion, nor
>wanting power in the same sense as the cultists, but in some way
>just to know she now "owned" the Master the way he'd owned her.
>And then it went horribly wrong.
>
So Lucy Saxon is a puppet of the MAster. @%$&U%^#&%^&@^&
>
>>> About 40
>>> minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
>>> face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
>>> will bring the Last Day. This seems like a place to put a small
>>> cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
>>> Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
>>
>>The narrated montage looked like the right place for an ad break, yes.
>>Watching it through, the way that the narrator saying "the /final/ day"
>>flows into the Doctor/Master lightning-bolt confrontation comes across
>>as "the final day... starts like this:".
>
>Thanks. It seems like the opposite problem to most DVDs of
>commercial TV shows: where the music swells up and the scene
>fades out for a moment, then fading back in with the music
>starting over. Here it seemed like a full stop, with no way to
>pick up the next scene. (I might even argue that three to five
>minutes of thinking, "Who? What? How?" before continuing the
>story is more effective.) But BBC America's clumsy cutting at
>the transition point to commercials may have obscured any actual
>flow between the scenes.
>
Then there is CAnada.
>--
>-Jack
The Doctor
The apparition of the ood in Waters of Time:
Please explain the point to that?
The Face of Po
Jack Bohn got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> The Face of Po wrote:
>
>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>Jack Bohn got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>
>>> A few less obvious questions:
>>> So who did pick up the ring, and how?
>>
>>The old lady who organised the resurrection ceremony.
>>
>>> Or was the Master's body
>>> burnt in a standard quarry, and not the Utopia quarry we'd
>>> thought at the time?
>>
>>The shot of the ring being picked up was in "Last of the Time Lords", so
>>although it could have been mistaken for the Utopia quarry initially, I
>>think we were meant to realise that it was another human and therefore
>>on Earth - fan speculation at the time was that it could have been Lucy.
>
> Didn't speculation switch to the Ranni during the "she returns"
> tease for the year before this?
Yes, some people suggested the Rani too.
> I forget if it was explicitly said to be the head cultist. We
> could still think it was Lucy, not under hypnotic compulsion, nor
> wanting power in the same sense as the cultists, but in some way
> just to know she now "owned" the Master the way he'd owned her.
> And then it went horribly wrong.
In "Last of the Time Lords", we just see the hand picking up the ring.
In "End of Time (1)", this hand is shown to belong to Miss Trefusis, a
member of the cult.
>>> About 40
>>> minutes into it (I would guess 30 without commercials) we see the
>>> face of the goof who's narrating it, as he mentions the next dawn
>>> will bring the Last Day. This seems like a place to put a small
>>> cliffhanger, three or five minutes, and thus BBC America did.
>>> Did it seem discontinuous running directly into the next scene?
>>
>>The narrated montage looked like the right place for an ad break, yes.
>>Watching it through, the way that the narrator saying "the /final/ day"
>>flows into the Doctor/Master lightning-bolt confrontation comes across
>>as "the final day... starts like this:".
>
> Thanks. It seems like the opposite problem to most DVDs of
> commercial TV shows: where the music swells up and the scene
> fades out for a moment, then fading back in with the music
> starting over. Here it seemed like a full stop, with no way to
> pick up the next scene. (I might even argue that three to five
> minutes of thinking, "Who? What? How?" before continuing the
> story is more effective.) But BBC America's clumsy cutting at
> the transition point to commercials may have obscured any actual
> flow between the scenes.
I think that the production team are aware that the episode will get
chopped up for commercial broadcast, and at least attempt to put some
suitable break points in the script, but the final edit will be for the
uninterrupted version. So BBC America have to work with that, rather
than being able to re-edit the background music.
--
Happiness will prevail
Pete B
Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>, Captain
> Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> writes
> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> >"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
> >
> >
>
Yeah, and all those suns burning in space - totally unbelievable.
Pete B
Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> Dr Who is full of inconsistencies, because you can't expect each new
> writer to spend years reading all that came before.
Excuses. The should compile a bible for the show (like other shows do)
The Doctor
Got you.
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is your friend and can teach you a lot ;-)
Dimensional Traveler
> In message <MPG.25ab81a67...@news.usenetserver.com>, Pete B
> <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> writes
>> In article <VqhPu3BQ...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
>> Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
>>> In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>, Captain
>>> Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> writes
>>> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to
>>> stop
>>> >"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>> >
>>> >Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>> >
>>>
>>> The same way he can have fire on an airless Mars :-)
>>
>> Yeah, and all those suns burning in space - totally unbelievable.
>
> Oh dear, are there really people who think the sun is a big camp fire ? :-)
>
> Now go to Google and look up nuclear fusion, and remember the Internet
> is your friend and can teach you a lot ;-)
>
The Doctor
john smith
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25ab8b092...@news.usenetserver.com...
It'd be longer - and duller - than the *real* fucking Bible!
The Doctor
>
>
The Lofficiers please.
solar penguin
Yads said:
> In article <o%z0n.74$t15...@newsfe11.ams2>,
> john smith <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.25ab8b092...@news.usenetserver.com...
> >> In article <VPblrYDh...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> >> Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> >>
> >>> Dr Who is full of inconsistencies, because you can't expect each new
> >>> writer to spend years reading all that came before.
> >>
> >> Excuses. The should compile a bible for the show (like other shows do)
> >>
> >
> >It'd be longer - and duller - than the *real* Bible!
> >
>
> The Lofficiers please.
Definitely not! JML's books were notoriously unreliable by not
drawing any difference between his personal theories and what had
actually been established in the show itself. He's the last person
who should be let loose on any official series bible.
The Doctor
Pete B
> In message <MPG.25ab81a67...@news.usenetserver.com>, Pete B
> <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> writes
> >In article <VqhPu3BQ...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> >Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> >> In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>, Captain
> >> Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> writes
> >> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> >> >"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
> >> >
> >> >Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The same way he can have fire on an airless Mars :-)
> >
> >Yeah, and all those suns burning in space - totally unbelievable.
>
> Oh dear, are there really people who think the sun is a big camp fire ?
Oh dear are there really people who think they saw fire on an airless
Mars.
> :-)
>
> Now go to Google and look up nuclear fusion, and remember the Internet
> is your friend and can teach you a lot ;-)
Yeah and if you kill yourself the world will be a better place.
Pete B
says...
Duh, and follow it of course.
Pete B
says...
Just a cross indexed database.
pbo...@aol.com
> In article <jG94JVCDLcQLF...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> Who_...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In message <MPG.25ab81a67359933e98d...@news.usenetserver.com>, Pete B
> > <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> writes
> > >In article <VqhPu3BQ7zOLF...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> > >Who_...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> > >> In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hdbnb7mm14thdhl4...@4ax.com>, Captain
> > >> Infinity <Infin...@captaininfinity.us> writes
> > >> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> > >> >"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>
> > >> >Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>
> > >> The same way he can have fire on an airless Mars :-)
>
> > >Yeah, and all those suns burning in space - totally unbelievable.
>
> > Oh dear, are there really people who think the sun is a big camp fire ?
>
> Oh dear are there really people who think they saw fire on an airless
> Mars.
Watch the episode again - the remains of the base were on fire at the
end, exposed on the surface. You take it, I realise, that the effects
of nuclear fusion don't actually look like fire? And are also not self-
sustaining, umcontained by magnetic fields, on a planetary surface?
Phil
solar penguin
The Doctor wrote:
> In article <78d1fe1e-58d6-4ff7...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Yads said:
> >
> >> In article <o%z0n.74$t15...@newsfe11.ams2>,
> >> john smith <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:MPG.25ab8b092...@news.usenetserver.com...
> >> >> In article <VPblrYDh...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> >> >> Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> >> >>
> >> >>> Dr Who is full of inconsistencies, because you can't expect each new
> >> >>> writer to spend years reading all that came before.
> >> >>
> >> >> Excuses. The should compile a bible for the show (like other shows do)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >It'd be longer - and duller - than the *real* Bible!
> >> >
> >>
> >> The Lofficiers please.
> >
> >Definitely not! JML's books were notoriously unreliable by not
> >drawing any difference between his personal theories and what had
> >actually been established in the show itself. He's the last person
> >who should be let loose on any official series bible.
>
> How so unreliable?!
Like I said, by not making any distinction between his favourite
personal theories and what had actually been established in the show
itself. That's how so.
The Doctor
Pete B
@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, pbo...@aol.com says...
> On 6 Jan, 01:42, Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> > In article <jG94JVCDLcQLF...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> > Who_...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In message <MPG.25ab81a67359933e98d...@news.usenetserver.com>, Pete B
> > > <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> writes
> > > >In article <VqhPu3BQ7zOLF...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> > > >Who_...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> > > >> In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hdbnb7mm14thdhl4...@4ax.com>, Captain
> > > >> Infinity <Infin...@captaininfinity.us> writes
> > > >> >So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> > > >> >"The End of Time". �Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
> >
> > > >> >Quick question: �how can a time traveler arrive late?
> >
> > > >> The same way he can have fire on an airless Mars :-)
> >
> > > >Yeah, and all those suns burning in space - totally unbelievable.
> >
> > > Oh dear, are there really people who think the sun is a big camp fire ?
> >
> > Oh dear are there really people who think they saw fire on an airless
> > Mars.
>
> Watch the episode again -
Hell no, once was enough.
The Doctor
The Doctor
Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>
>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>
>
>
>Captain Infinity
> ...future imperfect, presently unstable, but past caring.
He cannot cross his own Time Line.
The Doctor
Edward Cowling London UK <Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>, Captain
>Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> writes
>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>
>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>
>
>
>Edward Cowling North London UK http://www.facebook.com/ed.cowling
> http://twitter.com/gnilwoce
>
Airless MArs?
That Guy
>>>> writer to spend years reading all that came before.
>>>
>>> Excuses. The should compile a bible for the show (like other shows do)
Ummm its a show about TIME TRAVEL... therefore any inconsistencies are
simply changes that haven't been made yet...
The Doctor
Just call them paradoxes.
Stephen O'Connell
news:hi9uuc$1a5$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>,
> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>
>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>
>>**
>>Captain Infinity
>> ...future imperfect, presently unstable, but past caring.
>
> He cannot cross his own Time Line.
As pointed out before, except for when he does!
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell
> In article <hib7co$2b9$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:hi9uuc$1a5$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>,
>>> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>>>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>>>
>>>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>>>
>>>>**
>>>>Captain Infinity
>>>> ...future imperfect, presently unstable, but past caring.
>>>
>>> He cannot cross his own Time Line.
>>
>>As pointed out before, except for when he does!
>>
>>
>
> Like the War Games and the Faceless Ones?
...and more recently, Fathers Day.
The Doctor
Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hib7il$kj9$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <hib7co$2b9$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:hi9uuc$1a5$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> In article <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
>>>>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
>>>>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
>>>>>
>>>>>**
>>>>>Captain Infinity
>>>>> ...future imperfect, presently unstable, but past caring.
>>>>
>>>> He cannot cross his own Time Line.
>>>
>>>As pointed out before, except for when he does!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Like the War Games and the Faceless Ones?
>
>...and more recently, Fathers Day.
>
>
Ah! Yes!!
Pete B
says...
> >> Watch the episode again -
> >
> >Hell no, once was enough.
> >
>
> End of Time is worth repeat performances!
Do some time travel and find out which episode we were talking about
solar penguin
The Doctor wrote:
> In article <hib7co$2b9$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >news:hi9uuc$1a5$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >> In article <v3fmj5h8s87ajv1hd...@4ax.com>,
> >> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote:
> >>>So The Doctor races from the Planet of the Ood to Earth in order to stop
> >>>"The End of Time". Arriving late, he finds Broadfell Prison destroyed.
> >>>
> >>>Quick question: how can a time traveler arrive late?
> >>
> >> He cannot cross his own Time Line.
> >
> >As pointed out before, except for when he does!
> >
>
> Like the War Games and the Faceless Ones?
No, he didn't cross his own timeline in The War Games. The War Chief
seems to be from the same relative time as the Doctor, and so do the
other Time Lords too.
What's your reason for suggesting they aren't?
The Doctor
The Doctor
�G�l�k Z.L.F Buday AKA The Black Jester�, AKA etc....�
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 03:18:39 -0800 (PST), in rec.arts.drwho solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
�
�The Doctor wrote:
�
�> In article <78d1fe1e-58d6-4ff7...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
�> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
�> >
�> >Yads said:
�> >
�> >> In article <o%z0n.74$t15...@newsfe11.ams2>,
�> >> john smith <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
�> >> >
�> >> >"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
�> >> >news:MPG.25ab8b092...@news.usenetserver.com...
�> >> >> In article <VPblrYDh...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
�> >> >> Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
�> >> >>
�> >> >>> Dr Who is full of inconsistencies, because you can't expect each new
�> >> >>> writer to spend years reading all that came before.
�> >> >>
Well there are show bibles in pro-outfits, and frankly that is a writers job, in this day and age it is even easier to check back.
Hell you can look up the Toy Maker easily. The problem are fan boys writing crap and being inconsistent with big milestone based things.
It's not just minor continuity.
�> >> >> Excuses. The should compile a bible for the show (like other shows do)
The Doctor
You have to recall the BBC did sanction this action.
DVDfever
The Face of Po
> X-Body
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 03:18:39 -0800 (PST), in rec.arts.drwho solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> ¡
> ¡The Doctor wrote:
> ¡
> ¡> In article <78d1fe1e-58d6-4ff7...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> ¡> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> ¡> >
> ¡> >Yads said:
> ¡> >
> ¡> >> In article <o%z0n.74$t15...@newsfe11.ams2>,
> ¡> >> john smith <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ¡> >> >
> ¡> >> >"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> ¡> >> >news:MPG.25ab8b092...@news.usenetserver.com...
> ¡> >> >> In article <VPblrYDh...@genghis0.demon.co.uk>,
> ¡> >> >> Who...@genghis0.demon.co.uk says...
> ¡> >> >>
> ¡> >> >>> Dr Who is full of inconsistencies, because you can't expect each new
> ¡> >> >>> writer to spend years reading all that came before.
> ¡> >> >>
>
> Well there are show bibles in pro-outfits, and frankly that is a
> writers job, in this day and age it is even easier to check back.
> Hell you can look up the Toy Maker easily. The problem are fan boys
> writing crap and being inconsistent with big milestone based things.
> It's not just minor continuity.
If you get fanboys to write, you get what happened in the JNT era -
mindless continuity references at the expense of a story, which puts off
all non-fannish viewers. RTD deliberately avoided this kind of thing,
and that's why there was nobody in the entire production team anal
enough to know eg. that the Doctor was already >=953 years old.
--
Happiness will prevail