26 45-minute episode seasons please
The Doctor
Dave Roy <hi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I was watching Babylon 5 when doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>In article <4ljo2m$a...@clarknet.clark.net>,
>>Andrew McCaffrey <fen...@clark.net> wrote:
>>>The Doctor (doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) wrote:
>>>> Could be theother way around a la BBC.
>>>
>>>Flub a dub a dub a dub. Ber, spingle a durgle run a bub a smub.
>
>>This is what I get when I say pint fot a punt on IRC.
>
>Two posts in one night.....this group is just confusing me more. :-)
>Is asking for an explanation even feasible any more?
>
>Dave Roy
>
>
It all started when McCaffrey took what I consider a drunken run at me then
I said Shut up PUNT Drunk, the Irish PUNT being close to the English Pound.
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: I'm betting on trying to set for the faster pace. No matter what story
: length we, the fans, might prefer, they have to concentrate on grabbing
: an audience quickly. One excellent hour would grab attention, resolve
: many (butnot all) issues in that hour.
: *IF* they do a long story arch, they should aim for the Babylon 5
: approach, where the stories are reasonably self-contained, but where
: loongterm development can take place.
Oh, I can only dream of a new Doctor Who as complex, emotional, and
well-written as Babylon 5! That would be the ULTIMATE in science
fiction, hands down.
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Andrew McCaffrey
> It all started when McCaffrey took what I consider a drunken run at me then
It all started in a 5,000 watt radio station in Frezno, Arizona. Things
were tough then, I mean really tough. We were a close-knit bunch of guys,
but soon I found my true love, television.
> I said Shut up PUNT Drunk, the Irish PUNT being close to the English Pound.
Someone teach this man something about economics. ;>
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Andrew McCaffrey
The Doctor (doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) wrote:
> In article <4lp0ej$1...@clarknet.clark.net>,
> Andrew McCaffrey <fen...@clark.net> wrote:
> >It all started in a 5,000 watt radio station in Frezno, Arizona. Things
> >were tough then, I mean really tough. We were a close-knit bunch of guys,
> >but soon I found my true love, television.
You know, I could count the number of Irish PUBs in Frezno, Arizona on one
hand and still have enough fingers left to count your brain cells.
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The Doctor
>> It all started when McCaffrey took what I consider a drunken run at me then
>
>were tough then, I mean really tough. We were a close-knit bunch of guys,
>but soon I found my true love, television.
At an Irish PUB no doubt!
>
>> I said Shut up PUNT Drunk, the Irish PUNT being close to the English Pound.
>
>Someone teach this man something about economics. ;>
Well The Punt is close to the Pound unlike the Canadian dollar to the
US dollar.
>
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Brett O'Callaghan
am...@primenet.com (Amnon) wrote:
>Now if you look at four parters, you will find a lot of padding there
>too. Not all four parters, but a lot of them. I think that the pacing
>could be much better in a single one hour story than in a lot of four
>episode stories.
I don't.
But if that's all that's on offer...
Byeeeee.
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Jim Vowles
Jeffery Beuck wrote:
>
> Jim Vowles (jvo...@eaicorp.com) wrote:
> : I'm betting on trying to set for the faster pace. No matter what story
> : length we, the fans, might prefer, they have to concentrate on grabbing
> : an audience quickly. One excellent hour would grab attention, resolve
> : many (butnot all) issues in that hour.
>
> : *IF* they do a long story arch, they should aim for the Babylon 5
> : approach, where the stories are reasonably self-contained, but where
> : loongterm development can take place.
>
> Oh, I can only dream of a new Doctor Who as complex, emotional, and
> well-written as Babylon 5! That would be the ULTIMATE in science
> fiction, hands down.
> --
I agree. But is this really the place for bab5 praise?
Though I do notice a LOT of the posters here are also B5 fans...hmmmm
-jim
who is abrahamo lincolni?
The Doctor
Be it 13 or 26 4-minute episodes, Hopefully we see MANY 2 parters
with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
Comments?
David Mccaughan
: Back to 45-minute episodes.
: Be it 13 or 26 4-minute episodes, Hopefully we see MANY 2 parters
: with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
: Comments?
Dream on. Not going to happen. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice,
I just don't think anyone should get their hopes up.
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The Doctor
David Mccaughan <dav...@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>The Doctor (doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) wrote:
>
>: Back to 45-minute episodes.
>
>: Be it 13 or 26 4-minute episodes, Hopefully we see MANY 2 parters
>: with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
>
>: Comments?
>
>Dream on. Not going to happen. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice,
>I just don't think anyone should get their hopes up.
Until after the movie airs. BTW, WHO has the the Canadian distribution rights?
>
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Christopher D. Heer
(doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) says...
>Back to 45-minute episodes.
>Be it 13 or 26 4-minute episodes, Hopefully we see MANY 2 parters
>with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
You will see many 1 parters, with the odd 2 part, I expect.
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Jeffery Beuck
: You will see many 1 parters, with the odd 2 part, I expect.
Oh, joy. Twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as "The
Awakening" to look forward too. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Unknown
> : Back to 45-minute episodes.
> : Be it 13 or 26 4-minute episodes, Hopefully we see MANY 2 parters
> : with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
I think that its worth pointing out that if this did take place,
McGann would in one year have made the equivilant of 3.34 14 part
seasons (25 min per part). Even if the revival lasted for "only" 8 seasons,
this would be the same as 14.4 seasons (26 parts @ 25 min per part)!!!!!!
So let's stop bitching about the long run and worry about making sure the
show has an existance in the short run. After his 5 year contract ran out,
McGann would be the longest running Doctor (based on total minutes
made), with the rough equivilant of 9 seasons made (i.e. 26 parts @
25 min per part). If the movie does well, then there's no reason to think a
potential series wouldn't do just as well.
Andrew McCaffrey
> Could be theother way around a la BBC.
Flub a dub a dub a dub. Ber, spingle a durgle run a bub a smub.
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Christopher D. Heer <ch...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>>Be it 13 or 26 4-minute episodes, Hopefully we see MANY 2 parters
>>with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
>
With 26 50 minute episodes, a fall series would be the most Who in one
year in the series' history, wouldn't it? (it'd be the rough equivalent of
52 25 minute eps)
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>(doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) says...
>
>>Back to 45-minute episodes.
>
>>with the odd 1 part and 3 parters.
>
>You will see many 1 parters, with the odd 2 part, I expect.
Could be theother way around a la BBC.
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Jonathan Blum
Jeffery Beuck <jbe...@Phoenix.kent.edu> wrote:
>Christopher D. Heer (ch...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
>: You will see many 1 parters, with the odd 2 part, I expect.
>Oh, joy. Twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as "The
>Awakening" to look forward too. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Or, twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as the average
"X-Files".
It all depends on how the epiosdes are paced -- would the writers treat
them like old-style two-parters, with two 25-minute episodes (spending the
whole first one on set-up as usual), or structure them like very
fast-paced four-parters, with four 15-minute episodes?
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> Christopher D. Heer (ch...@us.oracle.com) wrote:
> : You will see many 1 parters, with the odd 2 part, I expect.
> Oh, joy. Twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as "The
> Awakening" to look forward too. Better than nothing, I suppose.
Comparing one 45-minute episode to two 25-minute eisodes is not as simple
as it appears. The structure of the two-parter has to be constructed in a
very rigid format, to allow a cliffhanger at the end of part one, and so
forth. The single 45-minute episode is under far different strictures.
Although, admittedly, not ideal, 45 minutes is plenty of time to tell a
decent story, especially if they go for a kind of "story arc" theme a la
"The X-Files".
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Chuck Foster
> I remember reading an interview with Barry Letts, where he said he liked six
> parters because he had a larger budget for them.
I think it was more of a case that with new stories you would have a complete (in
most cases) new set, supporting cast, and therefore costs. So, to have as few
'opening nights' as possible would allow the budget to be better spread.
> I also remember reading an interview with
> JNT and he said he hated six parters and felt that they just didn't work.
> During JNT's long tenure, he did manage to avoid six parters completely
> (with the one exception of "The Two Doctors").
This is true. But then he did have a few stories with a common theme to link them,
such the E-Space and Guardian trilogies. These worked well (IMNSHO) but were
treated as individual stories (and so technically had less budget for the above
reasons).
A six parter can work, but often have a sub-plot to tide over the whole story.
Some of the best ever stories were six parts (or indeed seven!).
> I personally think that all stories that are six or more episodes could be
> shortened without harming the storytelling. In fact, a good number of six
> parters would be way better if they were only four parts (Frontier in
> Space, Seeds of Doom, The Mutants, and more). There is so much padding in
> six parters that it somtimes borders on the ridiculous.
True. But you can delve into characterisation more in a longer format; this is an
area where books win out as they can afford to go into character motivations (The
Doomsday Weapon is an excellent example). Many Who roles turn out to be
charicatures rather than individuals, which is a shame.
> Now if you look at four parters, you will find a lot of padding there
> too. Not all four parters, but a lot of them. I think that the pacing
> could be much better in a single one hour story than in a lot of four
> episode stories.
I certainly think that stories should be as long as they need to be.
But in its BBC-made lifetime it was constrained by the annual budget and so had to
divide it accordingly. 6x4 episodes is cheaper than 8x3.
Chuck Foster
> It all depends on how the epiosdes are paced -- would the writers treat
> them like old-style two-parters, with two 25-minute episodes (spending the
> whole first one on set-up as usual), or structure them like very
> fast-paced four-parters, with four 15-minute episodes?
One thing we can expect will be that the episodes will be structured around the
American advertsing system, so I would expect that we would see a number of
'mini-cliffhangers' throughout the episode, as featured in nigh on all US SF shows
currently being produced.
The BBC episodes were made to fit into a standard 25 min slot and so were
structured accordingly - watching UK sit-coms on US TV was a real headache for me,
as the breaks were in seemingly ridiculous places.
Mind you, Sky One place their ad breaks in even more ridiculous places that simply
don't fit the US aystem either!!! And as for the Sci-Fi Channel's definition of
ad-breaks ... !!!
The Doctor
>
This is what I get when I say pint fot a punt on IRC.
>
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>+----------------------------------------+------------------------------+
Paul Rhodes
>>Oh, joy. Twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as "The
>>Awakening" to look forward too. Better than nothing, I suppose.
>Or, twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as the average
>"X-Files".
Oh dear.
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First of all, why were there lot's of four parters and six parters in the
first place? Was it because the script called for it? No. It was because
Doctor Who had a fixed budget for each season and that budget had to be
divided into however many stories there were. The longer each story was,
the more money there was available for it. I remember reading an
interview with Barry Letts, where he said he liked six parters because he
had a larger budget for them. I also remember reading an interview with
JNT and he said he hated six parters and felt that they just didn't work.
During JNT's long tenure, he did manage to avoid six parters completely
(with the one exception of "The Two Doctors").
I personally think that all stories that are six or more episodes could be
shortened without harming the storytelling. In fact, a good number of six
parters would be way better if they were only four parts (Frontier in
Space, Seeds of Doom, The Mutants, and more). There is so much padding in
six parters that it somtimes borders on the ridiculous.
Now if you look at four parters, you will find a lot of padding there
too. Not all four parters, but a lot of them. I think that the pacing
could be much better in a single one hour story than in a lot of four
episode stories.
--
Amnon
Los Angeles
Jim Vowles
>
> In article <4lh5so$d...@tombstone.kent.edu>,
> Jeffery Beuck <jbe...@Phoenix.kent.edu> wrote:
> >: You will see many 1 parters, with the odd 2 part, I expect.
>
> >Awakening" to look forward too. Better than nothing, I suppose.
>
> Or, twenty-six episodes with as much plot development as the average
> "X-Files".
>
> them like old-style two-parters, with two 25-minute episodes (spending the
> whole first one on set-up as usual), or structure them like very
> fast-paced four-parters, with four 15-minute episodes?
>
I'm betting on trying to set for the faster pace. No matter what story
length we, the fans, might prefer, they have to concentrate on grabbing
an audience quickly. One excellent hour would grab attention, resolve
many (butnot all) issues in that hour.
*IF* they do a long story arch, they should aim for the Babylon 5
approach, where the stories are reasonably self-contained, but where
loongterm development can take place.
-jim
who?
Cook Thomas W
: *IF* they do a long story arch, they should aim for the Babylon 5
: approach, where the stories are reasonably self-contained, but where
: loongterm development can take place.
I was about to say that this would be impossible without making it
another Key-to-Time since the settings change sooo drastically from
episode to episode, but had a sudden rush of inspiration ("Trilogy" from
Quantum Leap for one, "State of Decay" could have between written as a
long build-up to a spectacular climax, a "Back to the Future"-style
sequence of historical stories spanning thousands of years, analyzing how
some region of Earth has changed through time.
OK, I can buy the idea of one-hour stories now.
Thomas.
Dave Roy
>In article <4ljo2m$a...@clarknet.clark.net>,
>Andrew McCaffrey <fen...@clark.net> wrote:
>>The Doctor (doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) wrote:
>>> Could be theother way around a la BBC.
>>
>>Flub a dub a dub a dub. Ber, spingle a durgle run a bub a smub.
>This is what I get when I say pint fot a punt on IRC.
Two posts in one night.....this group is just confusing me more. :-)
Daniel Frankham
thusly:
>Comparing one 45-minute episode to two 25-minute eisodes is not as simple
>as it appears. The structure of the two-parter has to be constructed in a
>very rigid format, to allow a cliffhanger at the end of part one, and so
>forth. The single 45-minute episode is under far different strictures.
>Although, admittedly, not ideal, 45 minutes is plenty of time to tell a
>decent story, especially if they go for a kind of "story arc" theme a la
>"The X-Files".
OTOH most episodes of modern Star Trek seem to be remakes of The
Edge of Destruction... :p
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>> In article <4lmq0e$g...@guyana.it.earthlink.net>, Dave Roy
>> <hi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I was watching Babylon 5 when doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca (The
>>> Doctor) wrote:
>>>> In article <4ljo2m$a...@clarknet.clark.net>, Andrew McCaffrey
>>>> <fen...@clark.net> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor (doc...@nl2k.edmonton.AB.ca) wrote:
>>>>>> Could be theother way around a la BBC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flub a dub a dub a dub. Ber, spingle a durgle run a bub a
>>>>> smub.
>>>
>>>> This is what I get when I say pint fot a punt on IRC.
>>>
>>> Two posts in one night.....this group is just confusing me more.
>>> :-) Is asking for an explanation even feasible any more?
>>>
>> me then I said Shut up PUNT Drunk, the Irish PUNT being close to
>> the English Pound.
>
> Does this count in the pub drunk sweepstakes?
>
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