THE DYING DAYS - OFFICIAL!
Parkin
I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless NA the
following month.
Lance
Ed Powell
> I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
> Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
>
> Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
> It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
> itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
> revamp.
Ummmm... what did I miss that makes 31 May 1997 'fateful'?
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Nick Smale
In article <epowell-0707...@user-168-121-165-215.dialup.mindsprin,
epo...@mindspring.com (Ed Powell) wrote:
? In article <4rnt0m$d...@netty.york.ac.uk>,
? ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote:
?
? > I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure
? > featuring the Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
?
? > It [...] is set on the fateful day itself, May 31st 1997.
?
? Ummmm... what did I miss that makes 31 May 1997 'fateful'?
That's the day when Virgin's license to print original Doctor Who fiction
runs out...
- Nick Smale
Nick Smale
? I've just been commissioned to write the last New
? Adventure featuring the Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
Congratulation, Lance! - this all sounds *very*
intriguing...
? Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the
? back cover...
?
?
?
?
S P O I L E R
?
?
S P A C E
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
? It features McGann, Benny
This I'm very glad of! I've been *dying* to see what happens
when Benny encounters the McGann Doctor (serious competition
for Jason?) and Virgin's only eighth Doctor book looks like
the only opportunity we'll get to find out...
? and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day itself,
? May 31st 1997.
So the whole book is a metaphor for Virgin's loss of the DW
license, then? :-)
A date of 31/5/97 would place the story (quickly consults 'A
History of the Universe') roughly circa 'Battlefield' in the
Brigadier's personal timeline - probably afterwards as,
IIRC, at the start of 'Battlefield' he hadn't seen the
Doctor for some time. What time of year did 'Battlefield'
take place?
? It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC
? range, for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of
? the way through.
Ha! So this implies, what? The Doctor dies, or regenerates,
or history changes so that he never existed in the first
place - the title 'The Dying Days' might imply the first of
these, and would leave the Benny books with an interesting
post-the-Doctor's-death scenario... Hmmm - I wonder who
inherits the TARDIS?
Whatever happens, this will undoubtably provide *plenty* of
material for the "NAs are not canon" crowd... :-)
- Nick Smale
Tim Archer
ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote:
>It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the >fateful day itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters >appear, w=
ith a Segal-style revamp. It might be difficult to >reconcile the book with the BBC range, for reasons that will >become clear two-t=
hirds of the way through.
Hmm, sounds interesting. Putting McGann with Benny would
definitely clear up cotinuity problems (for now at least!) but
I'm not sure if they were meant to be together.
Is the Brigadier in it before or after Battlefield?
What is meant exactly by a "Segal-style revamp"?
>
>The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless >NA the following month.
Ah, another Cartmel one :)
Tim Archer
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>Lance
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 7 Jul 1996 08:37:42 GMT, I overheard Parkin say:
> I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
> Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
CONGRATS!
> Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
> It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
> itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
> revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
> for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
Lance, Lance, Lance... we're fans. Almost nothing is irreconcilable. :-)
BTW, does this mean Cwej leaves in "Lungbarrow", or does he just
disappear somewhere between that book and the TV movie?
Shannon
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MMir
Lance wrote:
>It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier...
Shannon wrote:
>BTW, does this mean Cwej leaves in "Lungbarrow", or does he just
>disappear somewhere between that book and the TV movie?
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we know that Chris
is even *in* Lungbarrow? I'm aware that Platt originally
wrote the story when the series was still in production,
and it was intended to feature Ace, but if he can modify
his original idea into two other stories (Ghost Light &
Time's Crucible) and still have Lungbarrow seem original,
a bit of companion-shuffling should be child's play. Maybe
Chris leaves in "Room With No Doors." Kate? Any
comments?
MMir
Lori Grenci
In <4rnt0m$d...@netty.york.ac.uk> ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) writes:
>
>I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring
the
>Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
>
Could someone please explain the significance of this?
Does this have some implication for the future of DW, or
just for these books? I'm new to all this NA stuff.
Thanks,
Lori
Gregg T. Allinson
Parkin (ljp...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
: I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
: Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
: Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
: It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
: itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
: revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
: for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
: The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless NA the
: following month.
I know this is an utterly inane comment, but that's never stopped me
before:). After this, all I can think of is the line from the MST3K episode
"Mitchell"-"Joe Don Baker would be perfect for Elvis...The Dying Days".
And my guess for the revamped aliens is the Cybermen.
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Kate Orman
In article <4rpg0o$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MMir <mm...@aol.com> wrote:
>Lance wrote:
>>It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier...
>
>Shannon wrote:
>>BTW, does this mean Cwej leaves in "Lungbarrow", or does he just
>>disappear somewhere between that book and the TV movie?
>
>Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we know that Chris
>is even *in* Lungbarrow?
Oh boy, is he in it. Up to his blond locks.
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Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 7 Jul 1996 23:38:49 GMT, I overheard Lori Grenci say:
> the
> >Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
> >
> Does this have some implication for the future of DW, or
> just for these books? I'm new to all this NA stuff.
The BBC has decided not to renew Virgin's license to publish Doctor Who
fiction, so the last NA and MA are coming out in May 1997, with BBC Books
beginning their own (similar) series in June. Hence the name of Lance's
book and its setting (May 31st, 1997) is a metatextual play on the
licensing situation.
Marky
Kate Orman wrote:
>
> In article <4rpg0o$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MMir <mm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Lance wrote:
> >>It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier...
> >
> >Shannon wrote:
> >>BTW, does this mean Cwej leaves in "Lungbarrow", or does he just
> >>disappear somewhere between that book and the TV movie?
> >
> >Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we know that Chris
> >is even *in* Lungbarrow?
>
> Oh boy, is he in it. Up to his blond locks.
it seems we are in for a number of shocks in the final NAs...can't
wait!!!
marky
TrboTurtle
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 7 Jul 1996 08:37:42 GMT, I overheard
Parkin say:
the
> Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
Oh geez, another rec.arts.drwho poster gone off the edge......B-)
Really - congrats are in order. Speaking as someone who is writing his own
attempt at a NA, it isn't easy to even write the #$@^%#& thing ! But not
only to plot it all out, but have it accepted..........
May the prose flow freely from your fingers, and may all you want to say
come to pass........
Craig A. Reed Jr, (Trbot...@aol.com)
Owner/Manager - Tardis Pizza
"We promise to deliver your order thirty minutes BEFORE you order, or you
pay extra !"
Inqesitor1
How qaint?
Spencer Berrett
Anyone know how to contact the Beeb about the BBCNAs? I have an idea
for a story BUT it contains silly characters that they may or may not
allow me to use, so, before I waste my time I thought I'd attempt to
ask them.
--
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'Peace, as you know it, is an illusion. It's just not
seeing the thing that's trying to kill you.'
-The Spathi High Counsel, Star Control II
Parkin
Tim Archer (w...@hunterlink.net.au) wrote:
SPOILERS follow:
: ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote:
: >It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the >fateful day itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters >appear, w=
: ith a Segal-style revamp. It might be difficult to >reconcile the book with the BBC range, for reasons that will >become clear two-t=
: hirds of the way through.
: Hmm, sounds interesting. Putting McGann with Benny would
: definitely clear up cotinuity problems (for now at least!) but
: I'm not sure if they were meant to be together.
Neither are they.
: Is the Brigadier in it before or after Battlefield?
Just after.
: What is meant exactly by a "Segal-style revamp"?
They are bigger and scarier, they look different and I'm not to worried
about sticking to established continuity. These are (mystery monsters) for
the nineties.
Lance
Gregg T. Allinson
Inqesitor1 (inqes...@aol.com) wrote:
: How qaint?
To quote Gilbert Gottfried (sp?): "I don't know, you tell me."
Ed Powell
rYea, on 8 Jul 1996 10:38:54 +1000, did kor...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au
(Kate Orman) speak from atop the mountain of rec.arts.drwho:
>In article <4rpg0o$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MMir <mm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Lance wrote:
>>>It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier...
>>
>>Shannon wrote:
>>>BTW, does this mean Cwej leaves in "Lungbarrow", or does he just
>>>disappear somewhere between that book and the TV movie?
>>
>>Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we know that Chris
>>is even *in* Lungbarrow?
>Oh boy, is he in it. Up to his blond locks.
Which ones?
(I can't believe I just wrote that...)
--
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Paul Rhodes
ni...@smale.demon.co.uk (Nick Smale) wrote:
>? > It [...] is set on the fateful day itself, May 31st 1997.
>?
>? Ummmm... what did I miss that makes 31 May 1997 'fateful'?
>
>That's the day when Virgin's license to print original Doctor Who fiction
>runs out...
I heard May 7th (hence the last Virgin Doctor Who fiction is next
April, as May books would be published on the 15th)
Paul
Chuck Foster
Spencer Berrett wrote:
>
> Anyone know how to contact the Beeb about the BBCNAs? I have an idea
> for a story BUT it contains silly characters that they may or may not
> allow me to use, so, before I waste my time I thought I'd attempt to
> ask them.
doctorw...@bbc.co.uk might be a good place to start.
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Mon, 08 Jul 1996 16:23:37 GMT, I overheard Paul Rhodes say:
> I heard May 7th (hence the last Virgin Doctor Who fiction is next
> April, as May books would be published on the 15th)
Isn't Gareth's Fourth Doctor MA due out in May?
Paul Rhodes
sha...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Shannon Patrick Sullivan) wrote:
>> I heard May 7th (hence the last Virgin Doctor Who fiction is next
>> April, as May books would be published on the 15th)
>
>Isn't Gareth's Fourth Doctor MA due out in May?
No, April
Paul
Nick Smale
In article <31e1344e.605577284@news>,
paul....@liffe.com (Paul Rhodes) wrote:
? ni...@smale.demon.co.uk (Nick Smale) wrote:
?
? >? > It [...] is set on the fateful day itself, May 31st 1997.
? >?
? >? Ummmm... what did I miss that makes 31 May 1997 'fateful'?
? >
? >That's the day when Virgin's license to print
? >original Doctor Who fiction runs out...
?
? I heard May 7th (hence the last Virgin Doctor Who fiction is
? next April, as May books would be published on the 15th)
I'm stumped, then - what *is* the significance of May 31st 1997?
- Nick Smale
Andreas Sekeris
Parkin (ljp...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
: I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
: Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
: Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
: It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
: itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
: revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
: for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
Why is may31st a fateful day?
sorry, I really don't know
:w
: The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless NA the
: following month.
: Lance
Grant Watson
ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) splurged forth:
>I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
>Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
Congratulations, Lance! I'm already desperate to read it!
>Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
>It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
>itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
>revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
My theory - the Doctor's going to cark it.
Therefore... later in 1997, a new series of books, Benny is the star,
wandering around a universe populated by all the New Adventure people,
places, races and planets, but without a Doctor in it. A sort of
parallel universe to Doctor Who.
>The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless NA the
>following month.
Which is, to me, possible evidence.
Grant.
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(GREEDO, STAR WARS)
Phil Hallard
Gregg T. Allinson (ros...@wwa.com) wrote:
: And my guess for the revamped aliens is the Cybermen.
Unlikely, I suspect. Gary Russell's Eighth Doctor cartoon strip, which is
running in the Radio Times at the moment, has Segalesque revamped Cybermen
in it. I don't think Lance Parkin would be so unoriginal.
It's clearly not the Daleks, and the phrase "Sontarans for the nineties"
has, I'm sure, been used elsewhere somewhere, referring to Shakedown. My
money's on the Ice Warriors.
In which case, will it be revealed that the Fifth Doctor's line during his
post-regenerative trauma in Castrovalva, "Not long now, Brigadier! As long
as the Ice Warriors don't get there first..." is not a flashback like the
others, but a flashforward of misplaced Time Lord memory? I've always
been rather pathetically convinced that this must have been the case...
--
Philip Alexander Hallard BA MPhil
phil.h...@english.ox.ac.uk
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri0073/
"In the stars' view, no doubt, these creatures were mere vermin; yet each
to itself, and sometimes one to another, was more real than all the
stars." Olaf Stapledon, Star Maker
Parkin
Nick Smale (ni...@smale.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <4rnt0m$d...@netty.york.ac.uk>,
: ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote:
: ?
: ?
: ?
: ?
: S P O I L E R
: ?
: ?
: S P A C E
: ?
: ?
: ?
: ?
: ?
: ?
: ?
: ? It features McGann, Benny
: This I'm very glad of! I've been *dying* to see what happens
: when Benny encounters the McGann Doctor (serious competition
: for Jason?) and Virgin's only eighth Doctor book looks like
: the only opportunity we'll get to find out...
I fought hard to get Benny in, and it'll be worth it!
: ? and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day itself,
: ? May 31st 1997.
: So the whole book is a metaphor for Virgin's loss of the DW
: license, then? :-)
The original title was 'Licence Revoked'.
: A date of 31/5/97 would place the story (quickly consults 'A
: History of the Universe') roughly circa 'Battlefield' in the
: Brigadier's personal timeline - probably afterwards as,
: IIRC, at the start of 'Battlefield' he hadn't seen the
: Doctor for some time. What time of year did 'Battlefield'
: take place?
'The Dying Days' is set about a month afterwards.
: ? It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC
: ? range, for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of
: ? the way through.
: Ha! So this implies, what? The Doctor dies, or regenerates,
: or history changes so that he never existed in the first
: place - the title 'The Dying Days' might imply the first of
: these, and would leave the Benny books with an interesting
: post-the-Doctor's-death scenario... Hmmm - I wonder who
: inherits the TARDIS?
Heh heh.
: Whatever happens, this will undoubtably provide *plenty* of
: material for the "NAs are not canon" crowd... :-)
And for the BBC Ones aren't either!
Lance
Parkin
Paul Rhodes (paul....@liffe.com) wrote:
: ni...@smale.demon.co.uk (Nick Smale) wrote:
: >? > It [...] is set on the fateful day itself, May 31st 1997.
: >?
: >? Ummmm... what did I miss that makes 31 May 1997 'fateful'?
: >
: >That's the day when Virgin's license to print original Doctor Who fiction
: >runs out...
: I heard May 7th (hence the last Virgin Doctor Who fiction is next
: April, as May books would be published on the 15th)
The licence expires on May 31st, which is why there's a Doctorless
NA set in the Who universe.
Lance
Ed Powell
> The licence expires on May 31st, which is why there's a Doctorless
> NA set in the Who universe.
Oooo... here's an interesting issue... assuming that the NAs and MAs are
canon to begin with, and Virgin's license is going to run out, will this
Doctorless NA be canon? Will the BBC NAs regard the Virgin NAs as canon?
--
Ed Powell - MSTie #27968, aspiring writer, and perpetually confused
epo...@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~epowell
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Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 9 Jul 1996 18:56:08 GMT, I overheard Parkin say:
> : >? > It [...] is set on the fateful day itself, May 31st 1997.
> : >?
> : >? Ummmm... what did I miss that makes 31 May 1997 'fateful'?
> : >
> : >That's the day when Virgin's license to print original Doctor Who fiction
> : >runs out...
> : I heard May 7th (hence the last Virgin Doctor Who fiction is next
> : April, as May books would be published on the 15th)
> The licence expires on May 31st, which is why there's a Doctorless
> NA set in the Who universe.
Okay, so what's happening with the Missing Adventures in May?
Graeme Burk
Parkin (ljp...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
: I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
: Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
: Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
: It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
: itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
: revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
: for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
: The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless NA the
: following month.
My how mature. Why are my fears that, instead of showing BBC books how
McGann NAs should be done, this book is going to just simply engage in
being childish about the licnese being removed and end the line in a fit
of bitchiness about the telefilm.
I hope not, but this doesn't give me hope.
Graeme
Jonathan Blum
In article <4rufsh$o...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>,
Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
Regards,
Jon Blum
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Kate Orman
In article <4rufsh$o...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>,
Graeme Burk <yu12...@yorku.ca> wrote:
>
>Parkin (ljp...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
>: I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
>: Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
>
>: Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
>
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>: It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
>: itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
>: revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>: for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>
>: The book will be published in April, leading into a Doctorless NA the
>: following month.
>
>My how mature. Why are my fears that, instead of showing BBC books how
>McGann NAs should be done, this book is going to just simply engage in
>being childish about the licnese being removed and end the line in a fit
>of bitchiness about the telefilm.
>
>I hope not, but this doesn't give me hope.
Gee, Graeme, why don't you threaten to slap him? :-P
Steve Leahy
In the oration <4rufsh$o...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, the orator known only
as yu12...@yorku.ca orated thus to this newsgroup:
> My how mature. Why are my fears that, instead of showing BBC books how
> McGann NAs should be done, this book is going to just simply engage in
> being childish about the licnese being removed and end the line in a fit
> of bitchiness about the telefilm.
What, you wanted a sort of "last, best hope" for the NAs? Something like
the following?
After twenty percent of the story has been told, the Doctor gets appointed
Gallifreyan Ambassador to Isobar, and the Dentist takes over at the TARDIS
helm. Meanwhile, Chris is in a coma in hospital, with a serious gun-shot
wound after having been shot in the back by being or beings unknown (later
revealed to be Jason). Roz is in a cocoon, undergoing some sort of strange
metamorphesis into a human being. Later, Benny's secret personalilty
implant is activated, revealing that she is, in fact, the Rani, while Ace
has to shed her combat suit to save the Dentist from death...
:-)
--
Steve Leahy (Steve...@anu.edu.au http://modjadji.anu.edu.au/steve)
Dept. Geography, ANU 0200 Australia
Plot hole, n: A device which allows an author to avoid the
difficult task of writing coherently...
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 9 Jul 1996 18:54:13 GMT, I overheard Parkin say:
> Nick Smale (ni...@smale.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : In article <4rnt0m$d...@netty.york.ac.uk>,
> : ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote:
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : S P O I L E R
> : ?
> : ?
> : S P A C E
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : ?
> : ? It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC
> : ? range, for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of
> : ? the way through.
> : Ha! So this implies, what? The Doctor dies, or regenerates,
> : or history changes so that he never existed in the first
> : place - the title 'The Dying Days' might imply the first of
> : these, and would leave the Benny books with an interesting
> : post-the-Doctor's-death scenario... Hmmm - I wonder who
> : inherits the TARDIS?
> Heh heh.
You smarmy bastard, you. ;-) Shannon's Guess: The Brigadier dies in the
book, and that'll be difficult to reconcile with the BBC novels because
their Eighth Doctor NAs will probably make use of the character.
Nick Smale
In article <4ruv48$u...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
sha...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Shannon Patrick Sullivan) wrote:
? I overheard Parkin say:
?
? > It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC
? > range, for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of
? > the way through.
?
? Shannon's Guess: The Brigadier dies in the book, and that'll
? be difficult to reconcile with the BBC novels because their
? Eighth Doctor NAs will probably make use of the character.
Or even with 'Happy Endings', where the Brigadier is still alive at
Bernice's wedding in 2010...
- Nick Smale
Jonathan Blum
In article <AE092447...@smale.demon.co.uk>,
Ah, well, the latter is already covered -- "No Future" established that
Time would take care of matters like that. If the Brig died in 1976, then
the Doctor's meetings in 1977, 1983, et cetera would simply have involved
someone else somehow. (Possibly Ian Chesterton. :-)
Rebecca Ulph
> Anyone know how to contact the Beeb about the BBCNAs? I have an idea
> for a story BUT it contains silly characters that they may or may not
> allow me to use, so, before I waste my time I thought I'd attempt to
> ask them.
Email them at
doctorw...@bbc.co.uk
R.
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Rebecc...@bbc.co.uk
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Paul Rhodes
>> Anyone know how to contact the Beeb about the BBCNAs? I have an idea
>> for a story BUT it contains silly characters that they may or may not
>> allow me to use, so, before I waste my time I thought I'd attempt to
>> ask them.
Don't bother trying to contact them until September - until then,
they're not looking at unsolicited submissions.
Paul
Tim Archer
Steve...@anu.edu.au (Steve Leahy) wrote:
>After twenty percent of the story has been told, the Doctor >gets appointed Gallifreyan Ambassador to Isobar, and the >Dentist take=
s over at the TARDIS helm. Meanwhile, Chris is in >a coma in hospital, with a serious gun-shot wound after having >been shot in the =
back by being or beings unknown (later revealed to be Jason). Roz is in a cocoon, undergoing >some sort of strange metamorphesis int=
o a human being. Later, >Benny's secret personalilty implant is activated, revealing >that she is, in fact, the Rani, while Ace has =
to shed her >combat suit to save the Dentist from death...
And soon, they discover that in the vortex, there are those
giant spiders from Metebelis 3 only now, THEY CAN FLY! :)
Tim Archer
...............................................
w...@hunterlink.net.au
http://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~ddpa/index.html
http://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~ddpa/tlog.html
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Gregg T. Allinson
Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
: completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
: Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
OK...I just gotta ask...
Is this the title of the first BBC NA?
Phil Hallard
: : Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
: : completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
: : Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
: OK...I just gotta ask...
: Is this the title of the first BBC NA?
No. It's the current DWM cartoon strip. It's a bit pants, but could be
much worse - its main function seems to be to contradict NA continuity as
much as it can. Ace has just died in it, for instance.
Hope that wasn't a spoiler for anyone.
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 9 Jul 1996 23:02:29 -0400, I overheard Jonathan Blum say:
> Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
> completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
> Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
Heh heh heh. Amen to that, Jon.
Paul Shields
On Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:46:59 +1000, Steve...@anu.edu.au (Steve
Leahy) shared the following with us all:
>After twenty percent of the story has been told, the Doctor gets appointed
>Gallifreyan Ambassador to Isobar, and the Dentist takes over at the TARDIS
>helm. Meanwhile, Chris is in a coma in hospital, with a serious gun-shot
>wound after having been shot in the back by being or beings unknown (later
>revealed to be Jason). Roz is in a cocoon, undergoing some sort of strange
>metamorphesis into a human being. Later, Benny's secret personalilty
>implant is activated, revealing that she is, in fact, the Rani, while Ace
>has to shed her combat suit to save the Dentist from death...
Great! When's it out?
I can't wait for the bit where Benny is in Grace's room and they're
both in their pyjamas. (hur hur)
Paul. Yes, still Pres The DDD, despite joke wearing thin.
-----------------------------------------
Paul Shields Leeds UK
pa...@korova.demon.co.uk
One Mean Motor Scooter
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Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:11:35 +0100, I overheard Nick Smale say:
> In article <4ruv48$u...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
> sha...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Shannon Patrick Sullivan) wrote:
> ? Shannon's Guess: The Brigadier dies in the book, and that'll
> ? be difficult to reconcile with the BBC novels because their
> ? Eighth Doctor NAs will probably make use of the character.
> Or even with 'Happy Endings', where the Brigadier is still alive at
> Bernice's wedding in 2010...
*hangs head* This is what I get for only having caught up to the February
books, I guess. :-)
Jonathan Blum
In article <4s09rc$h...@kirin.wwa.com>,>: Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
>: completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
>: Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
>OK...I just gotta ask...
>Is this the title of the first BBC NA?
No. Thank God. It's the current DWM comic strip, which Gary Gillatt is
using to contradict the NA's, ending years of cooperation and peaceful
co-existence between Virgin and Marvel. (The funniest bit is his bit
in the latest DWM letters' page, where he claims that the NA's have
already contradicted the comics... except that the example he gave,
"Deceit", actually went out of its way *not* to mess up the comic strip's
Abslom Daak continuity. You think you're beginning to show that you don't
actually _read_ the books, eh Gary?...)
Nicole Yates
i was reconfiguring my TARDIS when Shannon Patrick Sullivan wrote:
: You smarmy bastard, you. ;-)
hey, quit talking 'bout my pal chris heer;)
nicole
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life moves pretty fast..if you dont stop and take a look around...
you might miss it. -ferris bueller
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Icedrake
In article <Steve.Leahy-10...@della.anu.edu.au>,
Steve...@anu.edu.au (Steve Leahy) writes:
>After twenty percent of the story has been told, the Doctor gets
appointed
>Gallifreyan Ambassador to Isobar, and the Dentist takes over at the
TARDIS
>helm. Meanwhile, Chris is in a coma in hospital, with a serious gun-shot
>wound after having been shot in the back by being or beings unknown
(later
>revealed to be Jason). Roz is in a cocoon, undergoing some sort of
strange
>metamorphesis into a human being. Later, Benny's secret personalilty
>implant is activated, revealing that she is, in fact, the Rani, while Ace
>has to shed her combat suit to save the Dentist from death...
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
(Although if I ever had to pick a companion to transform into the Rani,
I'd pick Mel. Those shoulder pads are a dead give away!)
--
Greg McElhatton | iced...@aol.com | dri...@genie.com | g...@earthlink.net
http://members.aol.com/fedhost7/index.html
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Omega
> In the oration <4rufsh$o...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, the orator known only
> as yu12...@yorku.ca orated thus to this newsgroup:
>
> > My how mature. Why are my fears that, instead of showing BBC books how
> > McGann NAs should be done, this book is going to just simply engage in
> > being childish about the licnese being removed and end the line in a fit
> > of bitchiness about the telefilm.
I'm not too keen on the phrasing of this opinion, true, but I do think
that killing off the Doctor would be a poor ending for the NA's. Sort
of like my idea of what would happen when the actor playing the 13th
Doctor quits...I'd have the Doctor retire, not die.
Omega
******
"I have done enough."
--The Doctor, Nightshade
Gregg T. Allinson
Phil Hallard (chri...@sable.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: Gregg T. Allinson (ros...@wwa.com) wrote:
: : Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: : : Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
: : : completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
: : : Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
: : OK...I just gotta ask...
: : Is this the title of the first BBC NA?
: No. It's the current DWM cartoon strip. It's a bit pants, but could be
: much worse - its main function seems to be to contradict NA continuity as
: much as it can. Ace has just died in it, for instance.
: Hope that wasn't a spoiler for anyone.
Oh *duh*. I just read an installment of that yesterday actually...well, I
guess that just goes to show ho memorable the strip was:)...
Gregg T. Allinson
Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: In article <4s09rc$h...@kirin.wwa.com>,
: Gregg T. Allinson <ros...@wwa.com> wrote:
: >Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: >: Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
: >: completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
: >: Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
: >OK...I just gotta ask...
: >Is this the title of the first BBC NA?
: No. Thank God. It's the current DWM comic strip, which Gary Gillatt is
: using to contradict the NA's, ending years of cooperation and peaceful
: co-existence between Virgin and Marvel.
I now remember the strip, and did anybody else get the feeling that this
was an "inventory" story that's been lying around for ages just in case a
new series started? I mean, I saw Old-Ace (who's a much better character
than RoboAce, but I digress...) and I was like "This is supposed to be the
last DWM 7th Doctor Strip? Was it written in 1991?". Although I don't
take the NAs as canon, it'd be nice if there were some continuity to the
previous NA-styled 7th Doctor strips. I wish they'd let people like me
who don't take the NAs as canon just leave Ace's departure to our imaginations,
and let those who do take "Set Piece", etc. wrap up Ace and the 7th Doctor's
adventures, rather than strike out on their own and wrap things up their
way.
: (The funniest bit is his bit
: in the latest DWM letters' page, where he claims that the NA's have
: already contradicted the comics... except that the example he gave,
: "Deceit", actually went out of its way *not* to mess up the comic strip's
: Abslom Daak continuity.
Actually, as metioned in Parkin's History of the Universe, Daak comes from
the mid-26th Century and Deciet was set in the mid-25th. It's a fairly
minor thing, I know, but Deciet *did* contradict the Marvel Comics.
: You think you're beginning to show that you don't
: actually _read_ the books, eh Gary?...)
And while my feelings on most of the NAs I've read are well known, I'd
sooner force myself through "Warhead" again than one of the MA-styled
strips that've been running in DWM (esp. "Operation Proteus"-Just how the
hell did they get to show pre-Unearthly Child Hartnell in a bad story more
suited for Pertwee?). Actually, I thought GZ, for all it's continuity
differnces, started out good...then it just fell flat on it's face...
David Golding
>You smarmy bastard, you. ;-) Shannon's Guess: The Brigadier dies in the
>book, and that'll be difficult to reconcile with the BBC novels because
>their Eighth Doctor NAs will probably make use of the character.
That's easy to reconcile...you just set stories featuring the Brigadier
*before* this date.
The funny thing about the Brigadier, is that he shows up in Happy Endings.
Which means if he dies in The Dying Days, then that's that bit of continuity
screwed up. (Of course, Paul already screwed it up. The Brigadier dies five to
fifteen years before Happy Endings takes place. There were several date lapses
like this in the book.)
higs
Dave
[Come visit - http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~aknyra]
[Ben Aaronovitch, Frock/Gun, Sgloomi Po, NA/MA FAQ]
Marky
Phil Hallard wrote:
>
> Gregg T. Allinson (ros...@wwa.com) wrote:
> : Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
> : : Trust Lance on this one. The things he's been given permission to do, I'm
> : : completely convinced he will handle with respect, taste, and good writing.
> : : Unlike, say, "Ground Zero". >:-)
> : OK...I just gotta ask...
> : Is this the title of the first BBC NA?
>
> much worse - its main function seems to be to contradict NA continuity as
> much as it can. Ace has just died in it, for instance.
>
> Hope that wasn't a spoiler for anyone.
why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
marky
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:25:43 +1100, I overheard Marky say:
> Phil Hallard wrote:
> >
> > No. It's the current DWM cartoon strip. It's a bit pants, but could be
> > much worse - its main function seems to be to contradict NA continuity as
> > much as it can. Ace has just died in it, for instance.
> >
> > Hope that wasn't a spoiler for anyone.
> why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
Officially? Because not enough DWM readers are also NA readers (which is
pretty much a bullshit reasons, given the latest DWM poll). The real
reason? I think Jon Blum's made that abundantly clear a couple of posts
back...
David Golding
In article <4s37nh$q...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mm...@aol.com (MMir) wrote:
>Dave Golding wrote:
>>The funny thing about the Brigadier, is that he shows up in Happy
>>Endings. Which means if he dies in The Dying Days, then that's that bit of
>>continuity screwed up. (Of course, Paul already screwed it up. The Brigadier dies
>>five to fifteen years before Happy Endings takes place. There were several date
>>lapses like this in the book.)
>
>years before Happy Endings?
>
>The most severe date lapse I could find was the presence of Creed McIlveen
>at Benny's wedding. Creed travels there under his own steam (and not in
>the TARDIS), so he must have already met Benny in "real time," but it's
>pretty obvious that the story is set between Warhead and Warlock, so Creed
>*hasn't* met Benny yet. It's confusing.
There's two major flaws in the dating in Happy Endings, that I found. The
first is the ages of the Hutchingses. Emily is said to be a woman in her early
forties, when by all evidence in Revelation she should be in her early
fifties. That's fairly minor though really...
The second flaw is the whole War* dating thing. 1) Vincent and Justine are
fairly obviously a couple, and still a happening thing in the world of
eco-terrorism, so the story must be shortly after Warhead. 2) Creed pops up
knowing Benny, so the story must be after either Warlock or Warchild (both of
which are sequels following significant lapses of time). 3) The date of the
Brigadier's death, as we have seen it, is the day before the finale of
Warhead, so the story must be before Warhead. 4) Oh dear...
(BTW, the fifteen year figure was erroneous, based on me remembering the
original blurb for HE, which sets it in 2015. I figure Warhead is set around
the turn of the millenium.)
Now I know you're wondering about the Brigadier's death. Ben Aaronovitch wrote
it for his Prelude to Transit in DWM. You can find a htmlised copy of it at
http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~aknyra/ben.html
MMir
Dave Golding wrote:
>The funny thing about the Brigadier, is that he shows up in Happy
Endings.
>Which means if he dies in The Dying Days, then that's that bit of
continuity
>screwed up. (Of course, Paul already screwed it up. The Brigadier dies
five to
>fifteen years before Happy Endings takes place. There were several date
lapses
>like this in the book.)
Fill me in: what evidence do we have that the Brig dies five to fifteen
years before Happy Endings?
The most severe date lapse I could find was the presence of Creed McIlveen
at Benny's wedding. Creed travels there under his own steam (and not in
the TARDIS), so he must have already met Benny in "real time," but it's
pretty obvious that the story is set between Warhead and Warlock, so Creed
*hasn't* met Benny yet. It's confusing.
MMir
David Golding
In article <4s2ah7$e...@kirin.wwa.com>, ros...@wwa.com (Gregg T. Allinson)
>Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
>: (The funniest bit is his bit
>: in the latest DWM letters' page, where he claims that the NA's have
>: already contradicted the comics... except that the example he gave,
>: "Deceit", actually went out of its way *not* to mess up the comic strip's
>: Abslom Daak continuity.
>
>Actually, as metioned in Parkin's History of the Universe, Daak comes from
>the mid-26th Century and Deciet was set in the mid-25th. It's a fairly
>minor thing, I know, but Deciet *did* contradict the Marvel Comics.
No, Deceit was set mid-26th. It's just that a lot of writers don't seem to
understand that the 2500s make the 26th century, not the 25th.
David Golding
In article <31E4AC...@deakin.edu.au>, Marky <ma...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
>why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
Haven't you been reading you Data Extracts, Marco? Over two issues Matt Jones
and Gary Gillat (new DWM editor) duked it out. Basically, Gary Gillat is one
of these people who thinks DW is a *television show*, so anything which isn't
television therefore can't be DW. Ugh.
Jonathan Blum
>> No. It's the current DWM cartoon strip. It's a bit pants, but could be
>> much worse - its main function seems to be to contradict NA continuity as
>> much as it can. Ace has just died in it, for instance.
>> Hope that wasn't a spoiler for anyone.
>why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
Because while Gary *Russell* was quite chummy with Virgin, Gary *Gillatt*
seems to view them as competition. Notice the disappearance of the
Preludes, the notable lack of any 7th Doctor / Ace / Benny comic strips at
all, and the disappearance of the annual "Writing New Who" interviews with
NA and MA authors, all under Gillatt...
Gary Russell
Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
>It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
it's even got started?
Gary Russell - some confused guy who can't understand why everyone's
got it in for a range of books which haven't even been written yet.
--
"Never regret what you do. Only what you don't."
Michael Lee
> Gary Russell <10170...@CompuServe.COM> wrote in article
<4s40mb$27r$4...@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>...
> Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
> >It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
> >for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>
> Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
> Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
> it's even got started?
Actually, I imagine that Lance does something relatively nasty, like kill
someone or blow something up. I get the impression that "The Dying Days"
is a chance to do a "last Doctor Who story" -- and as it's an opprotunity
that doesn't come around very often, I hope Lance looks at it with that
regard....and after all, if he's revamping old races, or something else,
it's just as likely that he'll contradict something yet-to-come, just like
revamping Cybermen in a comic strip [from what I've heard about the comic
in the Radio Times] would likely be contradicted when a televised [or BBC
book] 8th Doctor meets Cybermen story is made...
It won't completely forbid the Beeb Books from tying in to the NAs, after
all, it only takes a few references to Benny, or Cheldon Bonniface, and
it'll tie in....we'll get a picture like this:
TV Series ------> Virgin NAs ----> TV Movie --> The Dying Days
\
\--> Beeb
Books
The future of Doctor Who is, after all, in the Beeb Books series...and if
Virgin decides to do something a little different in the last book as a
way to give closure to the NAs, more power to them...hopefully, Lance's
intention isn't to make it impossible for the NAs as a whole to stay in
the canon....that would be unfortunate....
[after all, I think most of us hope that Lance's last Doctor Who work
isn't "The Dying Days"....]
Kender Dragon
epo...@mindspring.com (Ed Powell) wrote:
>In article <4rua08$5...@netty.york.ac.uk>, ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote:
>> The licence expires on May 31st, which is why there's a Doctorless
>> NA set in the Who universe.
>Oooo... here's an interesting issue... assuming that the NAs and MAs are
>canon to begin with, and Virgin's license is going to run out, will this
>Doctorless NA be canon? Will the BBC NAs regard the Virgin NAs as canon?
IMHO:
I'll have to read it before I decide. Downtime (the MA) has to be
canon because of Millenial Rites -- I think -- so the Doctor's
presence is not mandatory for canonicity.
I place no odds on the BBC having any respect for anything Who,
although of course that will be up to the writers.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Kender Dragon (Ms. Raistlin S. Wakefield)
rai...@gate.net
"You're just an ageing hippy, Professor."
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Nick Smale
In article <4rvpo3$t...@access4.digex.net>,
jb...@access4.digex.net (Jonathan Blum) wrote:
? "No Future" established that Time would take care of matters
? like that. If the Brig died in 1976, then the Doctor's
? meetings in 1977, 1983, et cetera would simply have involved
? someone else somehow. (Possibly Ian Chesterton. :-)
Which makes me wonder about the consequences of the events
of 'Happy Endings'.
<Spoilers for 'Happy Endings'>
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If the Brigadier no longer dies in 2010, but is instead
rejuvenated and lives (presumably) well into the 21st
century, then whose place in future events has *he* taken?
Maybe the Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart who leads UN forces
against the Ice Warriors is now no longer Yembe...
- Nick Smale (who would offer his theory that the
rejuvenating 'Bloom' in 'Happy Endings' is a reference to
r.a.dw's Jon B., only he can't work out how to pronounce
Jon's surname... Does it rhyme with 'Plumb' or 'Plume'..?)
Kate Orman
In article <4s40mb$27r$4...@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>,
Gary Russell <10170...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
>>It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>
>Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
>Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
>it's even got started?
>
>got it in for a range of books which haven't even been written yet.
Oh, come on, Gary! No-one here would judge a book before they'd read it. ;-)
--
Kate Orman - "A broad too deep for the small screen"
kor...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au | http://www.ocs.mq.edu.au/~korman
David Golding
In article <4s40mb$27r$4...@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>, Gary Russell
<10170...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
>>It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>
>Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
>Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
>it's even got started?
Perhaps so that they can firmly forge ahead with the Benny books? (I doubt
Lance is actually trying to spike the BBC, since he's probably one of the
potential authors for that series.) It makes a certain amount of business
sense...of course it's going to play havoc with canon if the Doc dies. I hope
there are good reasons, and I hope Lance doesn't divorce the two series of
books irrevocably...it's unpleasant when infighting carries over into the
fiction, as in DWM.
>Gary Russell - some confused guy who can't understand why everyone's
>got it in for a range of books which haven't even been written yet.
I haven't got it in for it. I, for one, am simply dying waiting for news on
Martin Day and Keith Topping's submission, I want it to be produced so badly.
I'd also be interested in seeing a novel from you, Gary, under an editorial
team which apparently doesn't like all those continuity refs. And, of course,
we need that third Dave Stone novel...
Steve Leahy
In the oration <4s4c4h$h...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, the orator known only as
kor...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Kate Orman) orated thus to this newsgroup:
> Oh, come on, Gary! No-one here would judge a book before they'd read it. ;-)
Be very, very careful, oh Ormanistic one... Mr Russell's propensity for
taking things posted on this ng as gospel truth appears to know no bounds
:-)
--
Steve Leahy (Steve...@anu.edu.au http://modjadji.anu.edu.au/steve)
Dept. Geography, ANU 0200 Australia
Plot hole, n: A device which allows an author to avoid the
difficult task of writing coherently...
The Macra Terror
Gary Russell <10170...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
>>It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>
>Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
>Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
>it's even got started?
>
>got it in for a range of books which haven't even been written yet.
Seems to be a bit of (to coin a phrase) canonihilism: "If the BBC Books
series is in the position to contradict the Virgin series, and if a
resurrection of the series would probably contradict both, then to heck
with it-- let's start our own totally different DWM continuity!" Which
is fine for the fans who can keep track of all the different continuity
universes, I guess, but kind of confusing for the casual reader!
I'm with you that, for the sake of understandability, there should be at
least an attempt to make all the "borderline Who" (Virgin books, BBC
books, sanctioned videos, DWM comics, etc.) dovetail.
Nick Smale
In article <4s4dn5$e...@klf.netconnect.com.au>,
gol...@apollo.ruralnet.net.au (David Golding) wrote:
? I, for one, am simply dying waiting for news on Martin Day
? and Keith Topping's submission, I want it to be produced so
? badly.
Oh, gosh! - where did this come from? Having read 'Page
63/Everyman' and the awesome 'Damascus Road' (both Keith
Topping stories available on the net) I'd *love* to see a
BBCNA with his hand in it!
- Nick Smale
Jonathan Blum
In article <4s40mb$27r$4...@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>,
Gary Russell <10170...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
>>It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
>>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
>Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
>it's even got started?
This is just my guess, but probably because Lance has a neat idea for a
story which is fairly radical, which the BBC writers may or may not follow
up on. If they ignore it -- since after all they're under no obligation
to take it into account -- then you've got canon difficulties.
I don't think Lance is out to spike the new series -- notice he said it
*might* be difficult to reconcile, not that it's impossible. And when fan
writers can fit everything from "Dalek Attack" to the Prime Computer ads
into continuity, what's to stop someone from quietly patching this up
after the fact as well? Just like in the series, maintaining continuity
is the *next* writer's job. :-)
What I want to know is, who's going to retcon "Ground Zero"? >:-)
Jim Vowles
Gary Russell wrote:
>
> Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
> >It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
> >for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
>
> Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to link the
> Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike something before
> it's even got started?
>
> got it in for a range of books which haven't even been written yet.
THis sounds more like miscommunication to me. The first book bought by
BBC most likely has a different authro than the last book bought by
Virgin. Simple, though one could wish for better communication and
therefore continuity between the two....
-jim
Erin Lazzaro
In article <4s4vvs$o...@access4.digex.net>, jb...@access4.digex.net (Jonathan
>
> And when fan
>writers can fit everything from "Dalek Attack" to the Prime Computer ads
>into continuity,
Is there a guide anywhere to the NAs' references to other Who canons? Put
together by someone with even less of a life than I have, maybe?
See, I have seen a lot of the series, but I don't have tapes, so it's been
years. I haven't read any of the novelizations and don't have access to DWM
-- I have the NAs and MAs and this newsgroup.
Dalek Attack -- I bet that's in Head Games, right? And I think the Prime
Computer ads are in an NA that's not over here yet. When I saw the two
grandchildren I just knew it had to be a comic strip, but Absolom Dak would
have baffled me completely if I hadn't seen the explanation here. I often
find myself wondering if I should recognize something from the series or an
old NA, or if it's from somewhere else, or if the Doctor is just gaslighting
me.
David Golding
In article <AE0BB24A...@smale.demon.co.uk>, ni...@smale.demon.co.uk (Nick
We-ell, first mention of it is in Nathan Bottomley's drunken interview with
Paul Cornell for Broadsword, which can be found at the Broadsword site
(http://modjadji.anu.edu.au/steve/broadsword). It is the creation of the
terrible trio, but it appears that only the aforementioned two will be writing
it now. It has been submitted to BBC, but only time will tell if it is
written...
For background and illustrations, check out Marty's homepage
(http://ds.dial.pipex.com/marty).
Now could you tell me where this 'Damascus Road' is on the net?
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Fri, 12 Jul 96 14:23:45 GMT, I overheard Erin Lazzaro say:
> Is there a guide anywhere to the NAs' references to other Who canons? Put
> together by someone with even less of a life than I have, maybe?
Not that I know of; sorry.
> Dalek Attack -- I bet that's in Head Games, right?
I think so, yeah.
> And I think the Prime
> Computer ads are in an NA that's not over here yet.
"Christmas on a Rational Planet".
> When I saw the two
> grandchildren I just knew it had to be a comic strip,
Yep -- John and Gillian were the Doctor's grandchildren in the '60s TV
Comic strips.
> but Absolom Dak would
> have baffled me completely if I hadn't seen the explanation here. I often
> find myself wondering if I should recognize something from the series or an
> old NA, or if it's from somewhere else, or if the Doctor is just gaslighting
> me.
The only other reference like the above that I can think of (apart from
references to other shows like "Star Trek") is canonization of
"Dimensions in Time" as a nightmare the Doctor once had. (I think this is
in "First Frontier".)
Erin Lazzaro
In article <4s61kv$r...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>, sha...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Shannon
>Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Fri, 12 Jul 96 14:23:45 GMT, I overheard
> Erin Lazzaro say:
>Yep -- John and Gillian were the Doctor's grandchildren in the '60s TV
>Comic strips.
>
>> but Absolom Dak would
>> have baffled me completely if I hadn't seen the explanation here.
>
>The only other reference like the above that I can think of (apart from
>references to other shows like "Star Trek") is canonization of
>"Dimensions in Time" as a nightmare the Doctor once had. (I think this is
>in "First Frontier".)
And the Cushing movies are in "Human Nature".
But what I really need is places and characters that recur from the series and
other NAs. I know there's a reference for the series (it's just that if I pay
money for it, I have to explain it to my husband). I need one for the NAs
too. Or one, combined, for the series, the NAs, the MAs, and all the comics.
Omega
> first is the ages of the Hutchingses. Emily is said to be a woman in her early
> forties, when by all evidence in Revelation she should be in her early
> fifties. That's fairly minor though really...
>
> The second flaw is the whole War* dating thing. 1) Vincent and Justine are
> fairly obviously a couple, and still a happening thing in the world of
> eco-terrorism, so the story must be shortly after Warhead. 2) Creed pops up
> knowing Benny, so the story must be after either Warlock or Warchild (both of
> which are sequels following significant lapses of time). 3) The date of the
> Brigadier's death, as we have seen it, is the day before the finale of
> Warhead, so the story must be before Warhead. 4) Oh dear...
>
> (BTW, the fifteen year figure was erroneous, based on me remembering the
> original blurb for HE, which sets it in 2015. I figure Warhead is set around
> the turn of the millenium.)
>
> Now I know you're wondering about the Brigadier's death. Ben Aaronovitch wrote
> it for his Prelude to Transit in DWM. You can find a htmlised copy of it at
> http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~aknyra/ben.html
But, of course, the Fortean flicker was altering things--most
notably, that death that was described in the Prelude no longer
happens.
Omega
******
"It's a Yuletide!"
--The Tick TV show
Parkin
Shannon Patrick Sullivan (sha...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) wrote:
: Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 7 Jul 1996 08:37:42 GMT, I overheard Parkin say:
: > I've just been commissioned to write the last New Adventure featuring the
: > Doctor, 'The Dying Days'.
: CONGRATS!
: > Spoilers follow, but nothing worse than will be on the back cover...
: > It features McGann, Benny and the Brigadier and is set on the fateful day
: > itself, May 31st 1997. A race of old monsters appear, with a Segal-style
: > revamp. It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
: > for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
: Lance, Lance, Lance... we're fans. Almost nothing is irreconcilable. :-)
: BTW, does this mean Cwej leaves in "Lungbarrow", or does he just
: disappear somewhere between that book and the TV movie?
Cwej goes in 'Lungbarrow' but remains 'available for use' in the Benny
mini-series.
Lance
Nick Smale
In article <4s5qpo$i...@klf.netconnect.com.au>,
gol...@apollo.ruralnet.net.au (David Golding) wrote:
? In article <AE0BB24A...@smale.demon.co.uk>,
? ni...@smale.demon.co.uk (Nick Smale) wrote:
?
? >Oh, gosh! - where did this come from? Having read 'Page
? >63/Everyman' and the awesome 'Damascus Road' (both Keith
? >Topping stories available on the net) I'd *love* to see a
? >BBCNA with his hand in it!
?
? We-ell, first mention of it is in Nathan Bottomley's drunken
? interview with Paul Cornell for Broadsword, which can be
? found at the Broadsword site
? (http://modjadji.anu.edu.au/steve/broadsword). It is the
? creation of the terrible trio, but it appears that only the
? aforementioned two will be writing it now. It has been
? submitted to BBC, but only time will tell if it is
? written...
?
? For background and illustrations, check out Marty's homepage
? (http://ds.dial.pipex.com/marty).
Thanks David! "Devil Goblins from Neptune", indeed... *big grin*!
? Now could you tell me where this 'Damascus Road' is on the net?
Check out http://web.mit.edu/ejacobus/www/damascus.html
- Nick Smale
Nick Smale
? In article <4s40mb$27r$4...@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>,
? Gary Russell <10170...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
?
? >Lance Parkin wrote about Dying Days:
?
? >>It might be difficult to reconcile the book with the BBC range,
? >>for reasons that will become clear two-thirds of the way through.
?
? >Why do it then? Out of spite? Why not deliberately try to
? >link the Beeb Books and the Virgin Books? Why try and spike
? >something before it's even got started?
?
? I don't think Lance is out to spike the new series -- notice
? he said it *might* be difficult to reconcile, not that it's
? impossible.
Hmmm... Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I
interpreted Lance's "It might be difficult to reconcile with
the BBC range" as an ironic understatement really meaning
"It'll be bloody nearly *impossible* to reconcile"...
My suspicion - my *hope*! - is that Lance is taking advantage
of the unique situation surrounding the ending of the New
Adventures to tell a story which would previously have been
impossible within the restrictions of the series ongoing
format. A story which would have been "too broad and too
deep" even for the NAs. Just the sort of story, infact, which
Brett O'Callaghan accuses the NAs of being unable to tell, in
which the fundamental assumptions of the NA universe are up
for grabs and we don't know for certain even that the Doctor
himself will survive. If the NAs have to finish, I'd rather
have them finish on an ambitious, boundary stretching note
than a conservative one...
- Nick Smale
The Macra Terror
gol...@apollo.ruralnet.net.au (David Golding) wrote:
>In article <31E4AC...@deakin.edu.au>, Marky <ma...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
>>why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
>
>and Gary Gillat (new DWM editor) duked it out. Basically, Gary Gillat is one
>of these people who thinks DW is a *television show*, so anything which isn't
>television therefore can't be DW. Ugh.
I hope Matt Jones pointed out that by Gillat's logic, DWM shouldn't have
a comic strip, Brief Encounters, et al, because they'd all just be
distracting, inferior knock-offs. If you took it to its conclusion,
there shouldn't be a DWM, either, since "what really matters" is the
show itself, and not behind-the-scenes info about same.
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Fri, 12 Jul 96 19:08:52 GMT, I overheard Erin Lazzaro say:
> And the Cushing movies are in "Human Nature".
They are? If you're referring to the stories Dr Smith writes about a
Victorian scientist inventing a time machine and travelling to another
planet, I didn't think that was supposed to be the Cushing Doctor. I
thought it referred to some Other person. Could be wrong, though...
> But what I really need is places and characters that recur from the series and
> other NAs. I know there's a reference for the series (it's just that if I pay
> money for it, I have to explain it to my husband). I need one for the NAs
> too. Or one, combined, for the series, the NAs, the MAs, and all the comics.
Where's Ghoti gone with that long-planned NA/MA Guide?
David Golding
In article <31E6C1...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, Omega
<seav...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> But, of course, the Fortean flicker was altering things--most
>notably, that death that was described in the Prelude no longer
>happens.
So the Fortean flicker changed the Hutchings' ages too? Messed around
generally with the timezones involved in the War* trilogy? No.
As for the Prelude not happening, you're incorrect. The Doctor expected the
Brigadier to die *after* Happy Endings. He is surprised when this rejuvenating
thing happens at the end, not at the fact the Brig is still alive at the
start. But the Brig's death in the Prelude happens *before* Happy Endings.
higs
Dave
[Come visit - http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~aknyra]
[Ben Aaronovitch, Frock/Gun, Sgloomi Po, NA MA FAQ]
lammey bart t
Jonathan Blum (jb...@access4.digex.net) wrote:
: What I want to know is, who's going to retcon "Ground Zero"? >:-)
Sophie Aldred.
Bart T. Lammey
"So. That's all folks. Or is it? 'Time will tell; it always does.'"
MMir
Okay, I tried to post this article twice before, and the server told me it
failed to materialize *five* times, so I'm giving it one more shot.
Apologies if this is the third (or, god or lack thereof forbid, sixth)
time you see it.
--
Shannon Patrick Sullivan wrote:
>Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Fri, 12 Jul 96 19:08:52 GMT, I
overheard Erin Lazzaro say:
>> And the Cushing movies are in "Human Nature".
>They are? If you're referring to the stories Dr Smith writes about a
>Victorian scientist inventing a time machine and travelling to another
>planet, I didn't think that was supposed to be the Cushing Doctor. I
>thought it referred to some Other person. Could be wrong, though...
<MMir grabs can opener and Chef Boyardee's "Worms-N-A-Minute">
Could be both.
Bon appetit,
MMir
Omega
Jonathan Blum wrote:
> What I want to know is, who's going to retcon "Ground Zero"? >:-)
>
> Regards,
> Jon Blum
>
Steve Lyons did, in Conundrum. All the really doofy comic strip stuff
is just the Master of the Land of Fiction, writing lousy stories. :)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
David Golding
In article <4s71q9$a...@kirin.wwa.com>, The Macra Terror <eng...@pop.wwa.com>
wrote:
>gol...@apollo.ruralnet.net.au (David Golding) wrote:
>>Haven't you been reading you Data Extracts, Marco? Over two issues Matt Jones
>>and Gary Gillat (new DWM editor) duked it out. Basically, Gary Gillat is one
>>of these people who thinks DW is a *television show*, so anything which isn't
>>television therefore can't be DW. Ugh.
>
>I hope Matt Jones pointed out that by Gillat's logic, DWM shouldn't have
>a comic strip, Brief Encounters, et al, because they'd all just be
>distracting, inferior knock-offs. If you took it to its conclusion,
>there shouldn't be a DWM, either, since "what really matters" is the
>show itself, and not behind-the-scenes info about same.
Nah, it was purely a debate about the New Adventures. Gillat's debating
position moved all over the place, constantly countered by Matt, and it left
me with very little respect for the new DWM editor. (I'd already stopped
reading under Gary Russell's reign though, so I never had to put up with him
like that.)
higs
Dave
[Come visit - http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~aknyra]
[Ben Aaronovitch, Frock/Gun, Sgloomi Po, NA/MA FAQ]
Corey Klemow
>My guess for the revamped aliens are the Cybermen.
My money's on the Autons.
Alden Bates
In article <4s405k$r...@access1.digex.net>, Jonathan Blum (jb...@access1.digex.net) writes:
>Because while Gary *Russell* was quite chummy with Virgin, Gary *Gillatt*
>seems to view them as competition. Notice the disappearance of the
>Preludes, the notable lack of any 7th Doctor / Ace / Benny comic strips at
>all, and the disappearance of the annual "Writing New Who" interviews with
>NA and MA authors, all under Gillatt...
Ah, I knew there was a good reason why I don't get DWM. This is
evidently it.
Alden Bates.
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Andreas Sekeris
Erin Lazzaro (elaz...@symantec.com) wrote:
: And the Cushing movies are in "Human Nature".
What's the reference? I've seen the movies and read the book but completely
missed any references. I also read first frontier without noticing any
wierd DIT stuff. I must be missing heaps :(
R.J. Smith
In article <4samos$8...@ozramp.ozramp.net.au>,
The story that Smith writes starts off as the premise behind the Cushing
movies (an earth scientist invents a time machine in the shape of a
police box...).
The DiT reference in First Frontier is when the Doctor is asked if he
dreams and responds that he once had a nightmare where all his old
companions and selves got chased through a soap opera.
- Robert Smith?
Gary Russell
Marky asked:
>why would DWM want to do that (ie bugger up contnuity with the
>NAs) when they were so chummy with Virgin?
As with TV producers and script editors, one person's vision of the
strip's strengths - ie tying in with Virgin - may not always be
their successor's vision. In other words, I had one firm set of
ideals for keeping the strip in with he NAs when I was in charge,
Gary Gillatt believes that he shoul present an alternative version.
His right, he's in charge now. For the record, I'd have never done
it.
Gary Russell
--
"Never regret what you do. Only what you don't."
Michael Lee
> ljp...@york.ac.uk (Parkin) wrote in article
<4saa5l$a...@netty.york.ac.uk>...
> In 'The Dying Days', all the bets are off, and I don't have to put all
> the pieces back in the box like I did in 'Just War' and 'Cold Fusion'.
> This doesn't mean that it's a spiteful, canon-busting evil bastard of a
> book. You'll see...
Have fun. That's what I was hoping and what I thought you meant when you
said that this might be difficult to tie into the BBC line [or any other
New Who] -- I'm very, very encouraged. I thought that the end of the
Virgin line is a golden opportunity to tell this sort of story. A tale
too broad and too deep for even a regular NA. I can't wait...should be a
blast.
--
Michael Lee
http://www.execpc.com/~michaell
TrboTurtle
> In 'The Dying Days', all the bets are off, and I don't have to put all
> the pieces back in the box like I did in 'Just War' and 'Cold Fusion'.
> This doesn't mean that it's a spiteful, canon-busting evil bastard of a
> book. You'll see...
All I can say is go for it !!!!! A chance to write an NA with very few
restrictions is a once in a lifetime chance, and should not be passed on.
I'll wait until I read it before I say anything, but I trust you and
Virgin to give us a novel to remember.............
Craig A. Reed Jr, (Trbot...@aol.com)
Owner/Manager - Tardis Pizza
"We promise to deliver your order thirty minutes BEFORE you order, or you
pay extra !"
christopher j rednour,sa120a cd,244-5012,8
In a previous article, gol...@apollo.ruralnet.net.au (David Golding) says:
>In article <31E4AC...@deakin.edu.au>, Marky <ma...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
>>why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
>
>Haven't you been reading you Data Extracts, Marco? Over two issues Matt Jones
>and Gary Gillat (new DWM editor) duked it out. Basically, Gary Gillat is one
>of these people who thinks DW is a *television show*, so anything which isn't
>television therefore can't be DW. Ugh.
>
Then why have comic strips?
-Chris
--
====Ibis the Invincible - cred...@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu===========
"You're a swell guy Cosmic Boy...but I'd sure hate to meet some of
your primeval ancestors in a Dark Alley!" -Sun Boy to Cosmic boy on seeing
the results of the Ancestor-Visualizer Machine in ADVENTURE COMICS #328
DWM
In article <4se5ad$r...@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu>,
cred...@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (christopher j rednour,sa120a
cd,244-5012,8) wrote:
> In a previous article, gol...@apollo.ruralnet.net.au (David Golding) says:
>
> >In article <31E4AC...@deakin.edu.au>, Marky <ma...@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
> >>why would DWM want to do that when they were so chummy with Virgin?
> >
> >Haven't you been reading you Data Extracts, Marco? Over two issues Matt
Jones
> >and Gary Gillat (new DWM editor) duked it out. Basically, Gary Gillat is one
> >of these people who thinks DW is a *television show*, so anything which
isn't
> >television therefore can't be DW. Ugh.
> >
> Then why have comic strips?
>
Er, hello!
I don't tune into this channel very often, but I get the impression that
DWM policy on Virgin's books is being discussed. Can anyone precis the
conversation so far so I might reply?
Best wishes,
Gary
Jonathan Blum
In article <doctorwho-160...@marmags.demon.co.uk>,
DWM <doct...@marmags.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I don't tune into this channel very often, but I get the impression that
>DWM policy on Virgin's books is being discussed. Can anyone precis the
>conversation so far so I might reply?
All right, the short version: After questions started flying about Lance
Parkin's upcoming final Virgin NA, which is supposed to be rather radical
and possibly difficult to fit into future continuity, some people
(including me) said that they had faith that Parkin would not only tell a
good strong story, but also keep it from coming across as a snide
two-fingers to "the competition".
This was contrasted with "Ground Zero".
Among the other issues mentioned were a general preference for the time
when Virgin and Marvel "played nice" -- not necessarily slaving either one
to the other's continuity, but neither blatantly contradicting the other
-- and some disbelief of the rationales for breaking with Virgin cited in
issue 240's "Timelines". (To wit: if you wanted to move in a new
direction apart from Virgin, there was no need to explicitly contradict
them with "Ground Zero" -- just go on telling new stories with the eighth
Doctor and companions of your own. And the two "obvious" continuity
clashes between the NA's and the comic strip you cited are in fact nothing
of the sort -- "Blood Heat" and "Final Genesis" take place in completely
different universes, and the Abslom Daak in "Deceit" is explicitly
declared to be a clone of the original precisely so that book *wouldn't*
contradict Marvel's continuity.)
My own feeling is that the one universe should be big enough for both
books and comic stories -- there's plenty of room for you to tell stories
which don't impact on Virgin/BBC, and vice versa, so what is there to be
gained by getting in each others' faces? And if you did feel a burning
desire to contradict "Set Piece", the least you could have done is do a
better job of it -- "Ground Zero" is hardly Warwick/Scott Gray's best
work!
Regards,
Jon Blum
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Parkin
: > Gary Russell - some confused guy who can't understand why everyone's
: > got it in for a range of books which haven't even been written yet.
Hello, Gary, I didn't realise it was you - your original post *has* now
popped up.
: THis sounds more like miscommunication to me. The first book bought by
: BBC most likely has a different authro than the last book bought by
: Virgin. Simple, though one could wish for better communication and
: therefore continuity between the two....
As I said before, the Virgin Doctor Who range is coming to an end. Now, I
could wrnite a book in which we all pretend that nothing has happened, or
I
could take the opportunity to tell a story that marks the occasion. I
fully support the BBC range, but 'The Dying Days' isn't part of it.
I'm not going out of my way to bugger up continuity - other posters to
this thread have mentioned 'Ground Zero', and I'm certainly not going down
that route. As far as I can see, from a biased perspective, I admit,
'Ground Zero' was meant to offer the 'real' reason Ace left that allows
fans to ignore
the NAs. Fine - I think it's backfired: 'Set Piece' offered a vision of a
mature Ace, coming to terms with herself and the Doctor, it redefined her,
redeemed her and released her into the universe a stronger character. In
'Ground Zero' she blows herself up trying to kill a badly-drawn giant
flea.
Spiteful, willful stories that contradict other people's work for the
hell of it never work. 'The Dying Days' isn't such a novel - I'm hopefully
a bit more grown-up than that. I'm going to tell a traditional Doctor Who
story, with an old monster, there are a fair few 'kisses to the past' -
the NA's past - and hopefully people will enjoy it. The book isn't set
straight after the movie, so fans might want to slot the BBC Books between
McGann's first story and my book. But, being the last book in the Virgin
range, it means I can be a bit more free with continuity and
characterisation and that I can do things with the characters and settings
that don't have to worry about next month's book. Last week a couple
of people were beating the NAs about the head because 'as a licensed
product the books didn't have full artistic freedom and everything had to
be
the same at the end of the book as it was at the start'. Well, now the end
can be anything we want it to be.
Lance
Omega
Essentially, the story so far is:
Many people have expressed a degree of discontent at DWM's recent
decision to divorce the continuity of the comic strips from those of
the New Adventures, published by Virgin. They preferred the
intertwining of the two continuities, rather than the competition
thereof. Also, it doesn't help that the strip that effectively makes
the break, Ground Zero, is somewhat lackluster, IMHO (and in the
opinions of a few others, too.)
Now for our next exciting episode of, "As the TARDIS Turns..."
Omega
******
"This is the police!"
"Really?"
"No, it's the National Rifle Association!"
--Ruthless People
Harry Bass
Just a thought, but if the Beeb wouldn't allow Virgin to
regenerate the 7th Doctor, how could Virgin get away with killing
the Doctor, even if their contract is almost up ?
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on 17 Jul 1996 06:57:11 GMT, I overheard Parkin say:
> 'Set Piece' offered a vision of a
> mature Ace, coming to terms with herself and the Doctor, it redefined her,
> redeemed her and released her into the universe a stronger character. In
> 'Ground Zero' she blows herself up trying to kill a badly-drawn giant
> flea.
*snicker* Diet Coke. All over the computer monitor. :-)
BTW, does anyone else think DWM is trying to draw a subtle parallel
between "Ground Zero" and "Set Piece" with GZ's really crappy artwork?
Kate Orman
>In 'Ground Zero' she blows herself up trying to kill a badly-drawn giant
>flea.
Damn, I wish I'd thought of that.
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Kate Orman - "A broad too deep for the small screen"
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