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is the warlord the master?

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Vladimir Ulianovich

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May 4, 1993, 4:45:40 PM5/4/93
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I was watching the "War Games" and thought that the character of the warlord
was awfullt similar to the master. Could it be that it was a previous regene
ration of the master himself. I mean he was a timelord too, and even his appe
arence looked like the prototype for the master.

Is it my nerves or the second doctor stories have better acting, in general,
than, lets say, the tom baker or peter davison years. it is less dramatic
than the thrird doctor, but the stories are also much better written I think.

My humble and honest opinion

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Vladimir Ulianovich

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May 4, 1993, 4:53:48 PM5/4/93
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I am looking for someone that would be willing to tape for me
any of the doctor who shows from the peter davison through the silvester
McCoy years. Excluding those available comercially in the U.S.

I can send tapes and postage for the return of the tapes. I ask this
as a favour and want them because they are not commercially available.

I am not offering to purchase them, and therefore I don't want to encourage
pirating tapes, if you want to trade, I have a bunch of shows from the
tom baker years.

Thanks in advance

--- Alec

Milamber

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May 5, 1993, 12:34:54 AM5/5/93
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In article <1s6klk$n...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> le...@wam.umd.edu (Vladimir Ulianovich) writes:
>I was watching the "War Games" and thought that the character of the warlord
>was awfullt similar to the master. Could it be that it was a previous regene
>ration of the master himself. I mean he was a timelord too, and even his appe
>arence looked like the prototype for the master.

While this has been suggested a number of times, and even stated in the DW
RPG, it has never officially been stated by JN-T, Terrance Dicks, Derrick
Sherwin (producer of "The War Games"), Barry Letts, or anyone else who worked
on production and/or stories.

>Is it my nerves or the second doctor stories have better acting, in general,
>than, lets say, the tom baker or peter davison years. it is less dramatic
>than the thrird doctor, but the stories are also much better written I think.

Well, you run into one problem named Mary Whitehouse (or "Hairy Whitemouse"
as I've seen on this group a few times a couple of years ago). She was the
driving force behind getting rid of Phillip Hinchcliffe as producer and
bringing in Graham Williams, thus changing the tone of the show from Gothic
horror to slapstick. Despite Douglas Adams' excellent writing abilities and
stories, he didn't do much for the story as script editor.

After three years of Graham Williams, JN-T took over, and (finally) brought
in a new actor to take over the role. JN-T, however, was very fickle as
time wore on, not keeping or returning to the good writers and directors.
JN-T's tenure as producer has only borne a yo-yo in story quality.

If you want to know more, I'll send/repost "The Review of the John Nathan-
Turner Era of Doctor Who" parts 1-8. Part 9 is still in the works, and
we should soon have some form of review of "Shada" out soon too.

The Two in the TARDIS haven't died... we've only regenerated.
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Jonathan Blum

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May 5, 1993, 1:24:54 AM5/5/93
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In article <1993May5.0...@dmi.stevens-tech.edu> jog...@apollo.stevens-tech.edu (Milamber) writes:
>In article <1s6klk$n...@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> le...@wam.umd.edu (Vladimir Ulianovich) writes:
>>I was watching the "War Games" and thought that the character of the warlord
>>was awfullt similar to the master. Could it be that it was a previous regene
>>ration of the master himself. I mean he was a timelord too, and even his appe
>>arence looked like the prototype for the master.

Spoiler for "Timewyrm: Exodus":


Nope. The War Chief makes a reappearance in this story. It turns out he
did regenerate after being shot... sort of. To say more would be to really
spoil.

>After three years of Graham Williams, JN-T took over, and (finally) brought
>in a new actor to take over the role.

Well, you can't give JNT much credit in that decision... after all it was
Tom's choice to leave.

JN-T, however, was very fickle as
>time wore on, not keeping or returning to the good writers and directors.

I'd be interested to know which ones you'd consider to be good who weren't
returned to at least once. Of course, it's true that the folks from the
early JNT stories (up to about Season 21) suddenly disappeared, like Peter
Grimwade, but those seemed to be due just as much to friction with Eric
Saward as well as JNT, and also the hiatus / revamping.

Yadallee Dave S

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May 8, 1993, 1:24:52 PM5/8/93
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The War Lord is a non-Gallifreyan. The Master is.

These people cannot be the same.
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PAUL NOLL

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May 9, 1993, 2:17:37 PM5/9/93
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Yadallee Dave S (yad...@cs.UAlberta.CA) wrote:
: The War Lord is a non-Gallifreyan. The Master is.

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Dave,

I think he means the War Chief, who was a renegade Time Lord. The War
Chief was working for the War Lord, who was attempting to build an army that
he could use to conquer the universe. The War Chief was attempting to build
his own army so that he could over-throw the War Lord once he conquered the
universe. By the way, the War Lord - War Chief thing is an easy mistake to makeone would expect a Time Lord to name himself the War Lord and not the War Chief.
Be Seeing You.

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Dave Shariff Yadallee

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May 13, 1993, 6:10:32 AM5/13/93
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s910...@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca (PAUL NOLL) writes:

-
- Dave,
-
- I think he means the War Chief, who was a renegade Time Lord. The War
- Chief was working for the War Lord, who was attempting to build an army that
- he could use to conquer the universe. The War Chief was attempting to build
- his own army so that he could over-throw the War Lord once he conquered the
- universe. By the way, the War Lord - War Chief thing is an easy mistake to m
- Be Seeing You.
-

Could be. Even then, the Master is described as pure Evil. the War Chief
was describe as power hungry. And the WC was shot with 0 chance for
regeneration.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc.(Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )

(yada...@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!Remember!


Jesus saves lives from eternal damnation!

Nova Scotia, install John Savage, On May 25th VOTE LIBERAL!

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