If Ken Livingstone wins the London Mayor race...
Cliff Morrison
(The Silver-Flag Boy) wrote:
> But we're not in the business of going down middle roads for their own
> sake. Take immigration and asylum, for example. We're certainly not in
> between the devil and the deep blue sea on this issue!
The LibDem position being? And does it rely on there always being a senior
coalition partner there to carry the can for it when it all goes horribly
wrong?
Tom May
> >> >>Ken is a disaster on 2 legs. He makes Stalin look like a Liberal.
> >
> >This sort of facile exaggeration is one of the reasons Ken just won by a
> >mile without a party machine backing him. I don't like him very much, I
> >certainly don't trust him and think he's an outrageous hypocrite (I
> >particularly dislike his marketing of himself as an 'Independent' when
> >he's clearly desperate to be back in Blair's Party) and egomaniac. But
> >that doesn't make him unusual for one of the Labour Party ;-)
>
> Exaggeration?
> The Red Ken who was chummie-chummie with Sinn fein?
>
> COME ON!!! Where is your common sense man?
I'm not sure of the facts of this, but I'd have to say that since the
mid-80s, the govts have taken a more pragmatic line in their
negotiations with Sinn Fein, and to some extent at least, it's worked.
You've got to remember it was the British who instigated the tortuous
situation with their imperialistic attempts to colonize Ireland in the
18th and 19th centuries.
> Lib Dems will make government provided you vote the TRUE Middle road.
>
> I believe Kennedy will be be the next PM thanks to
> Tony TRYING to be a Liberal in a Socialist party and
> Bill Hague trying to be Mrs. Thatcher.
I can't see them winning an election with the first-past-the-post
system. If PR was used, they'd have a far greater chance. With the
current system, the Liberals would need to take safe Tory and Labour
seats in a general election- there may be disillusionment at New Labour
in the North, but I'd still expect Labour to hold these seats.
The Romsey result was great, but I doubt the mainstream public will vote
Kennedy in- Hague will be discredited as indeed an opportunist with no
principles and Blair may just hang on for a second term, despite
pleasing neither "middle England" or the Labour heartlands. If Blair
lost, then it'd be interesting to see where Labour went next (Gordon
Brown would probably take over and continue this New Labour project).
Tom
The Doctor
The Silver-Flag Boy <al...@flagboy.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 6 May 2000 21:43:23 +0100, Aidan Folkes
><ai...@celestis.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <8evveg$gnh$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, The Doctor
>><doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes
>>>In article <20000505194349...@ng-fk1.aol.com>,
>>>Robwhite22 <robwh...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>You think? Even if Ken does mess up (and there's no way Central Office will
>>>>give him the chance) the Tories will take up the slack rather than the
>>>>Liberals.
>
>Not necessarily. If LibDems work in areas where they are strong,
>particularly where it's against Labour, more people will come to see
>them as the main opposition.
>
Let's hope so. Labour and Conservatives have WRECKED the British psyche!
>>>And seeing as William and co. are such devalued currency, it won't ba
>>>>happening for quite a while yet.
>
>An unpopular Tory party is more likely to make people look elsewhere
>for an opposition to Red Ken.
And hope the LibDems go into revival mode.
>
>Alex
>Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
>
>"I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal activity"
>Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
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The Doctor
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Lib Dems will make government provided you vote the TRUE Middle road.
>>
>
>sake. Take immigration and asylum, for example. We're certainly not in
>between the devil and the deep blue sea on this issue!
Immigration: Tell me more.
Asylum: I say 1992 for myself.
>
>>I believe Kennedy will be be the next PM thanks to
>>Tony TRYING to be a Liberal in a Socialist party
>New Labour's best policies (for example, on some aspects of economic
>policy) are nicked from the LibDems. But that doesn't make him, or his
>party, liberal. Their worst policies (for example, on immigration and
>asylum) are nicked from the Tories.
I know. Blair is the son of a Tory who is pretending to be a Liberal.
Hence New Labour == Old tory.
>
> and
>>Bill Hague trying to be Mrs. Thatcher.
>
>At least Thatcher had a coherent ideology. Hague, however, is just
>jumping on any bandwagon he comes across.
Bungling Hague for you.
The Doctor
Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote:
>On 7 May 2000 15:31:52 GMT, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <8l8VOS2aCdCQMI...@4ax.com>,
>>Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote:
>>>On 7 May 2000 01:43:19 GMT, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>>>wrote:
>
>>>>Taxes by the Royals is a Liberal Idea you know.
>
>>>Royals were taxing people long before there was a Liberal Party.
>
>>OH? Since when did the Queen pay taxes? 1995 I think.
>
>Read it again.
>
Look, I love the joke about the Crown paying taxes to the crown.
No longer thank goodness.
>
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The Doctor
>The Doctor wrote:
>> >> >>Ken is a disaster on 2 legs. He makes Stalin look like a Liberal.
>> >
>> >This sort of facile exaggeration is one of the reasons Ken just won by a
>> >mile without a party machine backing him. I don't like him very much, I
>> >certainly don't trust him and think he's an outrageous hypocrite (I
>> >particularly dislike his marketing of himself as an 'Independent' when
>> >he's clearly desperate to be back in Blair's Party) and egomaniac. But
>> >that doesn't make him unusual for one of the Labour Party ;-)
>>
>> Exaggeration?
>> The Red Ken who was chummie-chummie with Sinn fein?
>>
>> COME ON!!! Where is your common sense man?
>I'm not sure of the facts of this, but I'd have to say that since the
>mid-80s, the govts have taken a more pragmatic line in their
>negotiations with Sinn Fein, and to some extent at least, it's worked.
>You've got to remember it was the British who instigated the tortuous
>situation with their imperialistic attempts to colonize Ireland in the
>18th and 19th centuries.
Does NOT just London get blown up!
>
>> Lib Dems will make government provided you vote the TRUE Middle road.
>>
>> I believe Kennedy will be be the next PM thanks to
>> Tony TRYING to be a Liberal in a Socialist party and
>> Bill Hague trying to be Mrs. Thatcher.
>I can't see them winning an election with the first-past-the-post
>system. If PR was used, they'd have a far greater chance. With the
>current system, the Liberals would need to take safe Tory and Labour
>seats in a general election- there may be disillusionment at New Labour
>in the North, but I'd still expect Labour to hold these seats.
>The Romsey result was great, but I doubt the mainstream public will vote
>Kennedy in- Hague will be discredited as indeed an opportunist with no
>principles and Blair may just hang on for a second term, despite
>pleasing neither "middle England" or the Labour heartlands. If Blair
>lost, then it'd be interesting to see where Labour went next (Gordon
>Brown would probably take over and continue this New Labour project).
>
Hague and Blair are tripping overtheir own feet.
New Labour is 50 years behind progressive North American Governments.
Conservatives are 100 years behind and corrupt.
Self-defeat wil get you NOWHERE!
With people tossed about laberative, the UK is a target for a Liberal
revival.
>Tom
Snarky!
>
> Alex
> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
>
> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal activity"
> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
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Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>The Silver-Flag Boy wrote:
>>
>> Alex
>> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
>>
>> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal activity"
>> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
>
>I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
>admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
>
The page or the sig?
>--
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>Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
>Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
>Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
>JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker
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Snarky!
> Snarky! wrote:
> >The Silver-Flag Boy wrote:
> >>
> >> Alex
> >> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
> >>
> >> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal activity"
> >> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
> >
> >I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
> >admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
>
> The page or the sig?
Didn't even notice the page -- that sig, though...pure comedy. LOL!
LOFL!!!
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Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
shug
writes
>The Silver-Flag Boy wrote:
>>
>> Alex
>> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
>>
>> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal
>activity"
>> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
>
>I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
>admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
Just what was she talking about?
Shug
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The Doctor
>> >>
>> >> Alex
>> >> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
>> >>
>> >> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal activity"
>> >> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
>> >
>> >I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
>> >admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
>>
>
>Didn't even notice the page -- that sig, though...pure comedy. LOL!
>LOFL!!!
Sounds lik right-out-of-it thinking.
>
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>Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
>Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
>Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
>Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
>JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
>The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
>The Principia Discordia: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html
>ADRIC Awards 1999-2000 Ceremonies have now begun!!!
>"Remember: Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is."
> -- Zog the etc.
Snarky!
> Snarky! writes
> >The Silver-Flag Boy wrote:
> >>
> >> Alex
> >> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
> >>
> >> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal
> >activity"
> >> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
> >
> >I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
> >admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
>
Oh, she was on one of her usual homophobic ranting tirades, I imagine,
which would explain how she mangled her meaning so badly -- skirting
around an issue she'd rather not get into too deeply, lest her
irrationality on the subject become too obvious...Daleyesque, that was
-- wouldn't you agree, Ed?
Private
As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack of
aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
population alienated.
Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and hey
presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
elections.
The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:8evc1j$noj$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
> In article <HcFQ4.11110$Px3.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Andrew J. Brook <andrew...@feelinghothothotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >
> >> Liberals will get London thanks to Red Ken!
> >
> >What the hell is that supposed to mean? Susan Kramer was never going to
win.
> >And she didn't.
> >
> >--
> >Andrew J. Brook esq.
> >
> >"He's back... and it's about time!"
> >
> >And if you think that's my real email address, you'd better read it
again.
> >
> >
>
> It means Ken will mess London up so badly that Labour voters will be
> less than 10% in Greater London.
Matt Michael
Private wrote in message ...
>Speaking as a Conservative, it's going rather well.
>
>As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
>Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
of
>aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
>population alienated.
>
>Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and hey
>presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
>elections.
But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
that there will be a referendum on membership anyway. It's just something
wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists. Just like his suggested
policies of legalising murder and exterminating immigrants.
matt
John Fisher
>Ken is a disaster on 2 legs. He makes Stalin look like a Liberal.
I think perhaps you have forgotten what Stalin was like. Are you
anticipating kulak massacres in Richmond, the mass deportation of the
Kensingtonians and labour camps in the Lea Valley?
--
John Fisher jo...@drummond.demon.co.uk jo...@epcc.ed.ac.uk
Neil Gardner
Hague's Tories are just another brand of the Blairite Party run by the same
multinational. Their policies are for all intents and purposes identical. Only
the rhetoric changes. Blair believes all Eastern European immigrants should go
to Germany, Austria and Italy, all North Africans should go to Spain and Italy
and France and Germany, so he can accuse their government of xenophobia should
they try to emulate British immigratiuon controls.
The debate about a trickle of refugees is pathetic and sickening for a
government that advocated bombing the Balkans and inflicting a major
humanitarian crisis. In short Blair's speech writers agree with Hague's speech
writers on all but the strict enforcement of politically correct language to
conceal the real meaning.
Regards
Neil
The Doctor
Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>shug wrote:
>> Snarky! writes
>> >The Silver-Flag Boy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Alex
>> >> Alex Macfie, Oxford, UK http://www.flagboy.demon.co.uk/walkout/
>> >>
>> >> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal
>> >activity"
>> >> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
>> >
>> >I don't really have anything to add to this debate, I just want to
>> >admire the brilliant perfection of this gem....
>>
>> Just what was she talking about?
>
>Oh, she was on one of her usual homophobic ranting tirades, I imagine,
>which would explain how she mangled her meaning so badly -- skirting
>around an issue she'd rather not get into too deeply, lest her
>irrationality on the subject become too obvious...Daleyesque, that was
>-- wouldn't you agree, Ed?
>
Sounds like MArgaret Thatcher to me.
>--
>========================================================================
>Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
>Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
>Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
>Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
>JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
>The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
>The Principia Discordia: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html
>ADRIC Awards 1999-2000 Ceremonies have now begun!!!
>"Remember: Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is."
> -- Zog the etc.
The Doctor
Private <pri...@privacy.com> wrote:
>Speaking as a Conservative, it's going rather well.
>
>As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
>Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack of
>aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
>population alienated.
>
>Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and hey
>presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
>elections.
I heard enough on BBC Radio 5 late sunday to make me conclude
that the LibDems can wipe Labour and Conservastive of the map.
WE ARE TIRED OF YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS RIGHT-OUT-OF-IT LOT!
>
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:8evc1j$noj$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
>> In article <HcFQ4.11110$Px3.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
>> Andrew J. Brook <andrew...@feelinghothothotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >
>> >> Liberals will get London thanks to Red Ken!
>> >
>> >What the hell is that supposed to mean? Susan Kramer was never going to
>win.
>> >And she didn't.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Andrew J. Brook esq.
>> >
>> >"He's back... and it's about time!"
>> >
>> >And if you think that's my real email address, you'd better read it
>again.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It means Ken will mess London up so badly that Labour voters will be
>> less than 10% in Greater London.
The Doctor
>>
>>As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
>>Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
>of
>>aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
>>population alienated.
>>
>>Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and hey
>>presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
>>elections.
>
>
>that there will be a referendum on membership anyway. It's just something
>wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
>votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists. Just like his suggested
>policies of legalising murder and exterminating immigrants.
>
>matt
>
>
Hague and company are right-out-of-it
and
Blair and company are left-out-of-it.
Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum!
The Doctor
John Fisher <jo...@drummond.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <8evveg$gnh$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, The Doctor
><doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes
>
>>Ken is a disaster on 2 legs. He makes Stalin look like a Liberal.
>
>I think perhaps you have forgotten what Stalin was like. Are you
>anticipating kulak massacres in Richmond, the mass deportation of the
>Kensingtonians and labour camps in the Lea Valley?
>
Nope, but he might just drive Londoners into poverty.
Welcome IRA indeed.
Might as well be what you said.
>--
>John Fisher jo...@drummond.demon.co.uk jo...@epcc.ed.ac.uk
The Doctor
Neil Gardner <ne...@infotrad.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>Matt Michael wrote:
>
>> Private wrote in message ...
>> >Speaking as a Conservative, it's going rather well.
>> >
>> >As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
>> >Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
>> of
>> >aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
>> >population alienated.
>> >
>> >Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and hey
>> >presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
>> >elections.
>>
>> But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
>> that there will be a referendum on membership anyway. It's just something
>> wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
>> votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists. Just like his suggested
>> policies of legalising murder and exterminating immigrants.
>>
>> matt
>
>multinational. Their policies are for all intents and purposes identical. Only
>the rhetoric changes. Blair believes all Eastern European immigrants should go
>to Germany, Austria and Italy, all North Africans should go to Spain and Italy
>and France and Germany, so he can accuse their government of xenophobia should
>they try to emulate British immigratiuon controls.
>
>The debate about a trickle of refugees is pathetic and sickening for a
>government that advocated bombing the Balkans and inflicting a major
>humanitarian crisis. In short Blair's speech writers agree with Hague's speech
>writers on all but the strict enforcement of politically correct language to
>conceal the real meaning.
>
>Regards
>
>Neil
>
Left Right, Left Right. We need to go middle of the road.
Cliff Morrison
Doctor) wrote:
> Left Right, Left Right. We need to go middle of the road.
But is that one with surveillance cameras, pfi and toll-charges?
The Silver-Flag Boy
>The Doctor wrote:
>> >> >>Ken is a disaster on 2 legs. He makes Stalin look like a Liberal.
>> >
>> >This sort of facile exaggeration is one of the reasons Ken just won by a
>> >mile without a party machine backing him. I don't like him very much, I
>> >certainly don't trust him and think he's an outrageous hypocrite (I
>> >particularly dislike his marketing of himself as an 'Independent' when
>> >he's clearly desperate to be back in Blair's Party) and egomaniac. But
>> >that doesn't make him unusual for one of the Labour Party ;-)
>>
>> Exaggeration?
>> The Red Ken who was chummie-chummie with Sinn fein?
>>
>> COME ON!!! Where is your common sense man?
>I'm not sure of the facts of this, but I'd have to say that since the
>mid-80s, the govts have taken a more pragmatic line in their
>negotiations with Sinn Fein, and to some extent at least, it's worked.
We (in uk.politics.*) had this discussion a short while back. The aim
of official discussions with SF/IRA has always been to move *them*
away from violence. This is very different from what Ken Livingstone
was doing when he invited Sinn Fein to London. He was NOT negotiating
with them, he was expressing his full support for their aims and
methods. He was NOT trying to move SF/IRA away from violence, he was
trying to move the Labour party towards the SF/IRA position on
Northern Ireland.
Rule #1 of negotiation: Do not express at the outset full and
wholehearted support for the other party's aims and methods! At best
Livingstone was meddling in an issue which was none of his business.
On another level, he was using ratepayers' money and a public position
and platform for a blatantly political purpose. At worst, he was
encouraging the IRA's campaign of violence by offering his support for
its aims. Whatever one thinks of the merits of negotiating with
SF/IRA, it *wrong* and *insulting* for Ken Livingstone and his
supporters to claim that he "led the way". He did not. He invited
SF/IRA to a publicly-funded pro-IRA political rally. If what he was
trying to do was negotiate, Chamberlain was tough compared to him. At
least Chamberlain capitulated *during* negotiations, not before!
>You've got to remember it was the British who instigated the tortuous
>situation with their imperialistic attempts to colonize Ireland in the
>18th and 19th centuries.
Oh Gawd. Another trendy lefty who seeks to blame the British gvt for
the IRA campaign of violence. It is the dirtiest sectarian trick to
excuse current violence by bringing up something someone's
grandfathers did 100--200 years ago. Yes what the UK did in Ireland
then was wrong, but that was then. In the past 30 years the main
protagonist has been the IRA. THEY are the ones primarily at fault for
the continuing troubles.
Gaz Ezesurf
"Matt Michael" <matt.m...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>elections.
>
>
> But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
> that there will be a referendum on membership anyway. It's just something
> wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
> votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists. Just like his suggested
> policies of legalising murder and exterminating immigrants.
>
> matt
>
biggest ever threat to the independence of this nation (for good or bad
thats your opinion), is to be considered a 'deeply xenophobic
proto-fascists'. Really, that is pushing the whole PC thing a but far.
If its only deeply xenophobic proto-fascists who are sceptical about the
benefits of further EU integration, than i am glad to be considered a deeply
xenophobic proto-fascists.
Gaz
shug
writes
>> >> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal
>> >activity"
>> >> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
>> Just what was she talking about?
>
>Oh, she was on one of her usual homophobic ranting tirades, I imagine,
>which would explain how she mangled her meaning so badly -- skirting
>around an issue she'd rather not get into too deeply, lest her
>irrationality on the subject become too obvious
Well, that could be just about anything, not necessarily to do with
asylum-seekers.
>...Daleyesque, that was
>-- wouldn't you agree, Ed?
As in Daley.. Thompson? <G>
Shug
--
"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more
light you shine on it, the more it will contract."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Snarky!
> Snarky! writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> "I seek to criminalise what is already criminalised which is criminal
> >> >activity"
> >> >> Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
>
> >> Just what was she talking about?
> >
> >Oh, she was on one of her usual homophobic ranting tirades, I imagine,
> >which would explain how she mangled her meaning so badly -- skirting
> >around an issue she'd rather not get into too deeply, lest her
> >irrationality on the subject become too obvious
>
> Well, that could be just about anything, not necessarily to do with
> asylum-seekers.
Actually, I wasn't thinking of *them*, really...
> >...Daleyesque, that was
> >-- wouldn't you agree, Ed?
>
> As in Daley.. Thompson? <G>
Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago (the '60's version) was a perpetrator of
many Widdecombe-like malapropisms while in office, many of which are
recorded for posterity in, amongst other texts, _The Illuminatus
Trilogy_, which I'm currently re-reading for at least the fifth time....
The Doctor
Middle-Of-the-road, Common Sense, LibDems!
The Doctor
>Anne Widdecombe, Newsnight, 2/5/2000
When it comes to Sectarian violence, I oppose such disgust.
Look at former Yugoslavia.
Ken L OTOH is just too far left for me.
Matt Michael
Gaz Ezesurf wrote in message <8f8n4n$a3p$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>
>"Matt Michael" <matt.m...@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:zRHR4.1986$Eu2....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>>elections.
>>
>>
>> But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
>> that there will be a referendum on membership anyway. It's just
something
>> wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
>> votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists. Just like his suggested
>> policies of legalising murder and exterminating immigrants.
>>
>> matt
>>
>You sad little wanker,
(great start - Tories love to hurl abuse when they can't actually answer a
question)
> to be wary about the Economic and Monetary Union, the
>biggest ever threat to the independence of this nation (for good or bad
>thats your opinion), is to be considered a 'deeply xenophobic
>proto-fascists'. Really, that is pushing the whole PC thing a but far.
Oh dear oh dear, you really have fallen for wee Willie's empty sophistries
haven't you. Anyway, you didn't actually address the point which is that
the government has committed itself to a referendum on the issue - i.e. to
play the Euro card at the General Election is a deeply pointless thing to
do. And I hardly consider myself PC when I oppose Hague's policies of
legalising extreme actions "in defence of one's home".
And cross-posting is evil.
matt
Andrew J. Brook
Private <pri...@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:uLHR4.10081$tQ3.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
> Speaking as a Conservative, it's going rather well.
>
> As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
> Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
of
> aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
> population alienated.
>
> Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and
hey
> presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
> elections.
>
Just what we need, a reasonable argument. I'd just like to hijack this
posting to point out that I seem to be drifting leftwards of William Hague,
which is a bit annoying since there is now no political party that I can
support, apart from the non-seperatist right wing of the SNP, which is a bit
unhelpful. Cheers. Sorry.
--
Andrew J. Brook esq.
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button might lull you into thinking
Cliff Morrison
Doctor) wrote:
> In article <cliffm-0905...@th-gt145-023.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <8f7mpb$rqv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
> >Doctor) wrote:
> >
> >> Left Right, Left Right. We need to go middle of the road.
> >
> >But is that one with surveillance cameras, pfi and toll-charges?
>
> Middle-Of-the-road, Common Sense, LibDems!
Who are keen to install the above?
The Doctor
>news:uLHR4.10081$tQ3.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
>> Speaking as a Conservative, it's going rather well.
>>
>> As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour. New
>> Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
>of
>> aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
>> population alienated.
>>
>> Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and
>hey
>> presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
>> elections.
>>
>
>
>Just what we need, a reasonable argument. I'd just like to hijack this
>posting to point out that I seem to be drifting leftwards of William Hague,
>which is a bit annoying since there is now no political party that I can
>support, apart from the non-seperatist right wing of the SNP, which is a bit
>unhelpful. Cheers. Sorry.
>
Reasonable argument from the Right??
That is a Right OFF!!!
Left of Hague is LibDems.
>--
>Andrew J. Brook esq.
>
>Please knk if a rnser is reqd.
>
>Yr dm rght a rnswr is rqd!
>
>Quite definitely available at andrew...@hotmail.com
>Well, rnswrs aren't, but I am, despite what hitting the Reply
>button might lull you into thinking
>
>
The Doctor
Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <8f8ugg$6mt$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>
>> In article <cliffm-0905...@th-gt145-023.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
>> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>> >In article <8f7mpb$rqv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>> >Doctor) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Left Right, Left Right. We need to go middle of the road.
>> >
>> >But is that one with surveillance cameras, pfi and toll-charges?
>>
>> Middle-Of-the-road, Common Sense, LibDems!
>
>Who are keen to install the above?
A poll I see.
Cliff Morrison
Doctor) wrote:
> In article <cliffm-0905...@th-gt141-086.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <8f8ugg$6mt$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
> >Doctor) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <cliffm-0905...@th-gt145-023.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
> >> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >In article <8f7mpb$rqv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
> >> >Doctor) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Left Right, Left Right. We need to go middle of the road.
> >> >
> >> >But is that one with surveillance cameras, pfi and toll-charges?
> >>
> >> Middle-Of-the-road, Common Sense, LibDems!
> >
> >Who are keen to install the above?
>
> A poll I see.
But is it yours?
Alex Wilcock
pri...@privacy.com (Private) wrote:
> Speaking as a Conservative, it's going rather well.
>
> As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour.
> New
> Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling
> lack of
> aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
> population alienated.
>
> Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and
> hey
> presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
> elections.
>
Hmm. I rather doubt that. First, because the euro is one of those things
that us politicos are motivated by (and I'm on the opposite side to you),
but that very few people change their vote as a result of.
Second, because your idea that Labour and Rover will deliver people back
to the Tories rather forgets that 20 years of Conservative government more
than decimated British manufacturing. Anyone voting against a party on the
basis of destruction of industry will have the Tories far higher on their
hit list than Labour.
Even in the local elections, the Tories didn't get their biggest surges in
Birmingham (Solihull is hardly a working class car manufacturing town).
And finally, the main spokesperson for the phoenix Group - which is
extremely popular, and today bought Rover - is also the Leader of the
Liberal Democrats on Birmingham City Council. So I suspect the Tories
won't be getting the credit fot it ;-)
Love and liberty
Alex
Someone should tell the Labour Party to get a sense of humour about the
London Mayor elections: http://www.susankramer.org/whittington - THEY
REALLY NEED IT NOW!
Or if you don't fancy a bit of politics, here's a bit of Doctor Who:
http://www.skarn.sonow.com
The Doctor
Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <8f9map$r7c$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>
>> In article <cliffm-0905...@th-gt141-086.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
>> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>> >In article <8f8ugg$6mt$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>> >Doctor) wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <cliffm-0905...@th-gt145-023.pool.dircon.co.uk>,
>> >> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >In article <8f7mpb$rqv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>> >> >Doctor) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Left Right, Left Right. We need to go middle of the road.
>> >> >
>> >> >But is that one with surveillance cameras, pfi and toll-charges?
>> >>
>> >> Middle-Of-the-road, Common Sense, LibDems!
>> >
>> >Who are keen to install the above?
>>
>> A poll I see.
>
>But is it yours?
I thought it was yours.
The Doctor
I ask you Tories credible? Labour credible?
>
>Someone should tell the Labour Party to get a sense of humour about the
>London Mayor elections: http://www.susankramer.org/whittington - THEY
>REALLY NEED IT NOW!
>Or if you don't fancy a bit of politics, here's a bit of Doctor Who:
>http://www.skarn.sonow.com
Andrew J. Brook
> In article <zRXR4.2569$Eu2....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Andrew J. Brook <andrew...@feelinghothothotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Private <pri...@privacy.com> wrote in message
> >news:uLHR4.10081$tQ3.1...@news3.cableinet.net...
> >>
> >> As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour.
New
> >> Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling
lack
> >of
> >> aid for Rover and general mis-handling. Thats nearly 20% of the UK
> >> population alienated.
> >>
> >> Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and
> >hey
> >> presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
> >> elections.
> >>
> >
> >
> >posting to point out that I seem to be drifting leftwards of William
Hague,
> >which is a bit annoying since there is now no political party that I can
> >support, apart from the non-seperatist right wing of the SNP, which is a
bit
> >unhelpful. Cheers. Sorry.
> >
>
> Reasonable argument from the Right??
>
> That is a Right OFF!!!
>
> Left of Hague is LibDems.
>
>
Oh, sod off. Bring back Asquith, all is forgiven.
The Doctor
Kennedy now represents Asquith, Llloyd George ...
>--
>Andrew J. Brook esq.
>
>Please knk if a rnser is reqd.
>
>Yr dm rght a rnswr is rqd!
>
>Quite definitely available at andrew...@hotmail.com
>Well, rnswrs aren't, but I am, despite what hitting the Reply
>button might lull you into thinking
>
>
John R Ramsden
>
> But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
> that there will be a referendum on membership anyway.
But _have_ they made this quite clear? What is to stop them from just adding
a clause to their manifesto as they did with House of Lords reform at the last
election? That way they might get back in on the strength of other desperate
bribes they will doubtless make, again as before, and then argue that with an
electoral mandate to join the Euro there is no longer any justification for
holding a referendum. I wouldn't put it past them.
> It's just something
> wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
> votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists.
If you're talking about antipathy to the Euro, and not just for economic
reasons, it's not a few but a significant majority. Do you really think
nearly all of the British are xenophobic, oops no, _deeply_ xenophobic,
almost fascists?
Most British people (but not you it seems) are sensible enough to realize
that it's not ordinary European citizens one should fear in relation to the
Euro. They deserve our sympathy for having been lumbered, by unaccountable
proto-fascist bureaucrats, with a symbol of doctrinaire outdated centralism
that is relentlessly sinking them into the ground.
Cheers
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
John R Ramsden (j...@redmink.demon.co.uk)
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The new is in the old concealed, the old is in the new revealed.
St Augustine.
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Adam Gray
> As you correctly conclude, Ken will put London voters off New Labour.
Are you claiming this because a) he is a new Labour clone, or b) because
once people are reminded how well the loony left run London, there will be a
full slate of Livingstone-ite Independents who will sweep the board at the
next General Election? Either way, I suggest you see a psychotherapist.
New
> Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
of
> aid for Rover and general mis-handling.
Oh dear. You must be so distraught that the new Labour-backed Phoenix bid
has succeeded. I understand. Better to have thousands unemployed but
voting Tory than employed and voting Labour, eh?
Thats nearly 20% of the UK
> population alienated.
No, it isn't.
> Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and
hey
> presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
> elections.
A landslide on 37% of the vote? You don't know your psephology, mate.
--
Councillor Adam Gray
Crabtree ward
London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
Finn Clark
>> As you correctly conclude, Ken will
>> put London voters off New Labour.
>
> Are you claiming this because a) he is a new
> Labour clone, or b) because once people are
> reminded how well the loony left run London,
> there will be a full slate of Livingstone-ite
> Independents who will sweep the board at the
> next General Election? Either way, I suggest
> you see a psychotherapist.
Could be because Tony Blair moved heaven and earth to engineer a humiliating
defeat for New Labour rather than have an official party candidate who actually
- gasp! - speaks his mind occasionally.
Tony Blair *really* hasn't come out of this looking good.
Finn Clark.
http://members.aol.com/kafenken/
The Doctor
Adam Gray <ag...@crabtree84.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Private <pri...@privacy.com> wrote in message news:uLHR4.10081
>
>
>Are you claiming this because a) he is a new Labour clone, or b) because
>once people are reminded how well the loony left run London, there will be a
>full slate of Livingstone-ite Independents who will sweep the board at the
>next General Election? Either way, I suggest you see a psychotherapist.
Labour left, labour moderate, same old Civil War Labour.
>
>New
>> Labour have put West Midlands voters off themselves by the appalling lack
>of
>> aid for Rover and general mis-handling.
>
>Oh dear. You must be so distraught that the new Labour-backed Phoenix bid
>has succeeded. I understand. Better to have thousands unemployed but
>voting Tory than employed and voting Labour, eh?
>
>Thats nearly 20% of the UK
>> population alienated.
>
>No, it isn't.
Phoenix, isn't that LD?
>
>> Now all we need is to bring the Euro into focus before the election and
>hey
>> presto, a landslide to the tories similar to that seen in the local
>> elections.
>
>A landslide on 37% of the vote? You don't know your psephology, mate.
Labour and Conservative only deserve 20% of the popular vote each.
>
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
The Doctor
Finn Clark <kafe...@aol.com> wrote:
>Adam Gray wrote:
>
>>> As you correctly conclude, Ken will
>>> put London voters off New Labour.
>>
>> Are you claiming this because a) he is a new
>> Labour clone, or b) because once people are
>> reminded how well the loony left run London,
>> there will be a full slate of Livingstone-ite
>> Independents who will sweep the board at the
>> next General Election? Either way, I suggest
>> you see a psychotherapist.
>
>defeat for New Labour rather than have an official party candidate who actually
>- gasp! - speaks his mind occasionally.
>
>Tony Blair *really* hasn't come out of this looking good.
>
>Finn Clark.
>http://members.aol.com/kafenken/
>
>
Tony Blur and William Hag are cut from the same cloth.
Matt Michael
John R Ramsden wrote in message <3918863d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>Matt Michael <matt.m...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>> But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
>> that there will be a referendum on membership anyway.
>
>But _have_ they made this quite clear? What is to stop them from just
adding
>a clause to their manifesto as they did with House of Lords reform at the
last
>election? That way they might get back in on the strength of other
desperate
>bribes they will doubtless make, again as before, and then argue that with
an
>electoral mandate to join the Euro there is no longer any justification for
>holding a referendum. I wouldn't put it past them.
It's unlikely in the extreme that they would do that, especially since they
have pledged repeatedly to hold a referendum, to the extent of discussing
what form such a referendum would take etc.
>> It's just something
>> wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
>> votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists.
>
>If you're talking about antipathy to the Euro, and not just for economic
>reasons, it's not a few but a significant majority. Do you really think
>nearly all of the British are xenophobic, oops no, _deeply_ xenophobic,
>almost fascists?
Antipathy for the Euro - probably about 50% of British people (as opposed to
30% pro and 20% don't know/care). But that's not what I'm talking about -
I'm talking about Hague's incessant concentration on a non-issue. He wants
to fight the next GE on a "save the pound" (Britain's currency since 1971!)
platform, however when there is a referendum planned for the next Labour
parliament, to emphasise this issue at the GE is deeply pointless. Only a
few deeply xenophobic people (and yes, I do think those who get *so* worked
up about the issue that they can think of nothing else to be deeply
xenophobic) will be swayed by this. The rest of us will wait until the
proper time to express our feelings on the mater.
>Most British people (but not you it seems) are sensible enough to realize
>that it's not ordinary European citizens one should fear in relation to the
>Euro. They deserve our sympathy for having been lumbered, by unaccountable
>proto-fascist bureaucrats, with a symbol of doctrinaire outdated centralism
>that is relentlessly sinking them into the ground.
Hague (or at least some in his cabinet) wants to turn the debate into a
nationalist issue. Realising they've lost the middle ground, Hague and his
ilk have to resort to crude nationalistic jingoism (of which the Euro issue
is merely one facet - the others include the Tories' homophobic, racist
anti-immigration, and pro-gun policies) to appeal to the lowest common
denominator in society. It's a desperate and pathetic attempt to win votes.
matt
The Doctor
Matt Michael <matt.m...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>John R Ramsden wrote in message <3918863d...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>Matt Michael <matt.m...@virgin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> But the Euro isn't an issue since the government have made it quite clear
>>> that there will be a referendum on membership anyway.
>>
>>But _have_ they made this quite clear? What is to stop them from just
>adding
>>a clause to their manifesto as they did with House of Lords reform at the
>last
>>election? That way they might get back in on the strength of other
>desperate
>>bribes they will doubtless make, again as before, and then argue that with
>an
>>electoral mandate to join the Euro there is no longer any justification for
>>holding a referendum. I wouldn't put it past them.
>
>It's unlikely in the extreme that they would do that, especially since they
>have pledged repeatedly to hold a referendum, to the extent of discussing
>what form such a referendum would take etc.
I say no to the Euro and yes to the Pound.
>
>>> It's just something
>>> wee Willie Hague clings to in the vain hope that it might garner him the
>>> votes of a few deeply xenophobic proto-fascists.
>>
>>If you're talking about antipathy to the Euro, and not just for economic
>>reasons, it's not a few but a significant majority. Do you really think
>>nearly all of the British are xenophobic, oops no, _deeply_ xenophobic,
>>almost fascists?
>
>
>Antipathy for the Euro - probably about 50% of British people (as opposed to
>30% pro and 20% don't know/care). But that's not what I'm talking about -
>I'm talking about Hague's incessant concentration on a non-issue. He wants
>to fight the next GE on a "save the pound" (Britain's currency since 1971!)
>platform, however when there is a referendum planned for the next Labour
>parliament, to emphasise this issue at the GE is deeply pointless. Only a
>few deeply xenophobic people (and yes, I do think those who get *so* worked
>up about the issue that they can think of nothing else to be deeply
>xenophobic) will be swayed by this. The rest of us will wait until the
>proper time to express our feelings on the mater.
REfendum!
Something the Tories oppose.
>
>>Most British people (but not you it seems) are sensible enough to realize
>>that it's not ordinary European citizens one should fear in relation to the
>>Euro. They deserve our sympathy for having been lumbered, by unaccountable
>>proto-fascist bureaucrats, with a symbol of doctrinaire outdated centralism
>>that is relentlessly sinking them into the ground.
>
>
>Hague (or at least some in his cabinet) wants to turn the debate into a
>nationalist issue. Realising they've lost the middle ground, Hague and his
>ilk have to resort to crude nationalistic jingoism (of which the Euro issue
>is merely one facet - the others include the Tories' homophobic, racist
>anti-immigration, and pro-gun policies) to appeal to the lowest common
>denominator in society. It's a desperate and pathetic attempt to win votes.
Nationalism sucks!!
It is a matter of identity.
>
>matt
rizv...@pipeline.com
delirious with joy, unable to speak properly, sort of happiness my
kids use to express at getting a new toy or you and I may show on
winning a million dollar lottery.
It was later explained that this state of extreme joy came from being
greeted by Her Majesty at some bridge opening ceremony which still
requires a year worth of work.
Just think, if just being nodded by the Queen has this effect on an
obvious sharp minded politician what enchantment has she on her
subjects who have to be highly vulnerable to her charm and appeal for
cash.
Nusrat Rizvi
Rowayton, CT
The Doctor
Livingston is Left out of it!
Remember, Republicans like Washington, Robespierre, and Von
hindenburg are interchangeble with people like
Cromwell, Cromwell and Rasputin.
>Nusrat Rizvi
>Rowayton, CT
John R Ramsden
>
> Saw your new mayor on BBC Intl.. news last night. The man was
> delirious with joy, unable to speak properly, sort of happiness my
> kids use to express at getting a new toy or you and I may show on
> winning a million dollar lottery.
> It was later explained that this state of extreme joy came from being
> greeted by Her Majesty at some bridge opening ceremony which still
> requires a year worth of work.
> Just think, if just being nodded by the Queen has this effect on an
> obvious sharp minded politician what enchantment has she on her
> subjects who have to be highly vulnerable to her charm and appeal for
> cash.
> Rowayton, CT
Works of Shakespeare: 12 monkeys, 10^23 years
A typical Rizvi post: 1 monkey, 5 minutes
The Doctor
John R Ramsden <j...@redmink.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>rizv...@pipeline.com wrote:
>>
>> Saw your new mayor on BBC Intl.. news last night. The man was
>> delirious with joy, unable to speak properly, sort of happiness my
>> kids use to express at getting a new toy or you and I may show on
>> winning a million dollar lottery.
>> It was later explained that this state of extreme joy came from being
>> greeted by Her Majesty at some bridge opening ceremony which still
>> requires a year worth of work.
>> Just think, if just being nodded by the Queen has this effect on an
>> obvious sharp minded politician what enchantment has she on her
>> subjects who have to be highly vulnerable to her charm and appeal for
>> cash.
>> Nusrat Rizvi
>> Rowayton, CT
>
>Works of Shakespeare: 12 monkeys, 10^23 years
>A typical Rizvi post: 1 monkey, 5 minutes
>
Repo-Rizvi for you.
>
>Cheers
>
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Adam Gray
> Phoenix, isn't that LD?
No, it's Republican, or at least the Arizona version is.
> Labour and Conservative only deserve 20% of the popular vote each.
Why?
Alex Wilcock
cli...@post.almac.co.uk (Cliff Morrison) wrote:
> In article <3915c9e7...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> al...@flagboy.demon.co.uk
> (The Silver-Flag Boy) wrote:
>
> > But we're not in the business of going down middle roads for their own
> > sake. Take immigration and asylum, for example. We're certainly not in
> > between the devil and the deep blue sea on this issue!
>
> The LibDem position being? And does it rely on there always being a
> senior
> coalition partner there to carry the can for it when it all goes
> horribly
> wrong?
>
Erm, excuse me?
The only time we've been in coalition while any of us (I suspect) have
been alive is currently, in Scotland. Which doesn't have responsibility
for immigration. So, your point was..?
A comparable policy might be the Scottish Executive's stand on Section 28
(aka Section 2a), the viciously anti-gay law, which (unlike Labour at
Westminster) has not given in to the bishops. A Lib Dem MSP and all round
lovely man, Iain Smith, has been the target of vitriolic personal attacks
as the Minister who stopped the Labour Party backing down.
So, in coalition, we take the flak because it's clear Labour would have
wimped out on their own, as indeed they did in the rest of the country
when they *were* on their own. That's because we're not afraid to take a
moral stand against an evil law, even with a millionaire funding the
anti-gay campaign while we've got about tuppence.
As far as immigration goes, we're talking about some of the most
vulnerable people in the world. So, no, we wouldn't lock them up like
criminals, deny them benefits, or use them in political rhetoric to whip
up racial hatred for electoral gain. I fear that neither Labour nor the
Tories agree with that at the moment, so they'd have to go into coalition
with each other.
To put it simply, we'd treat them with dignity like human beings, and
recognise the great talents that have come and still can come into the
country through immigration, and the rich cultural diversity we enjoy as a
result. A bit of old-fashioned British fair play and doing the right
thing, in other words.
Love and liberty
Alex
The Doctor
Adam Gray <ag...@crabtree84.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
>> Phoenix, isn't that LD?
>
>No, it's Republican, or at least the Arizona version is.
>
Phoenix Group's Owner from Birmingham.
>
>> Labour and Conservative only deserve 20% of the popular vote each.
>
>Why?
>
Because of the way the MISgovern.
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
Adam Gray
> >
> >Why?
> >
>
> Because of the way the MISgovern.
Well, you're entitled to that MISguided view, but if you sincerely hold it,
why do you not believe Labour and the Tories should get 0% of the vote?
The Doctor
Adam Gray <ag...@crabtree84.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> >> Labour and Conservative only deserve 20% of the popular vote each.
>> >
>> >Why?
>> >
>>
>> Because of the way the MISgovern.
>
>Well, you're entitled to that MISguided view, but if you sincerely hold it,
>why do you not believe Labour and the Tories should get 0% of the vote?
>
MISguided?
Labour wrecking the ecomony is the 1970s.
Tories under Major and Thatcher in the late 1980s and 1990?
Heck, they should go the way Kim Campbell did in 1993.
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
Adam Gray
> >> >Why?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Because of the way the MISgovern.
> >
> >Well, you're entitled to that MISguided view, but if you sincerely hold
it,
> >why do you not believe Labour and the Tories should get 0% of the vote?
> >
>
> MISguided?
>
> Labour wrecking the ecomony is the 1970s.
> Tories under Major and Thatcher in the late 1980s and 1990?
>
> Heck, they should go the way Kim Campbell did in 1993.
Don't answer the question then.
The Doctor
Adam Gray <ag...@crabtree84.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message news:8fkkbe$c39
>
>> >> >Why?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Because of the way the MISgovern.
>> >
>> >Well, you're entitled to that MISguided view, but if you sincerely hold
>it,
>> >why do you not believe Labour and the Tories should get 0% of the vote?
>> >
>>
>> MISguided?
>>
>> Labour wrecking the ecomony is the 1970s.
>> Tories under Major and Thatcher in the late 1980s and 1990?
>>
>> Heck, they should go the way Kim Campbell did in 1993.
>
>Don't answer the question then.
>
I think I will.
Labour is know for Economic Blundering. 1970s LAbour bankrupted
Britain.
Conservatives are a bunch a self-centered gits who cannot tolerate
dissent.
Yes, they deserve 0%, but as any movement, they will have a following.
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
Adam Gray
> >Don't answer the question then.
> >
>
> I think I will.
Jolly good.
>
> Labour is know for Economic Blundering. 1970s LAbour bankrupted
> Britain.
1990s new Labour Government known for unprecedented economic ability.
>
> Conservatives are a bunch a self-centered gits who cannot tolerate
> dissent.
>
Indeed.
> Yes, they deserve 0%, but as any movement, they will have a following.
So you actually *do* believe that they should get 0% and as such your
earlier posting was incorrect?
The Doctor
Adam Gray <ag...@crabtree84.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
>> >Don't answer the question then.
>> >
>>
>> I think I will.
>
>Jolly good.
>>
>> Labour is know for Economic Blundering. 1970s LAbour bankrupted
>> Britain.
>
>1990s new Labour Government known for unprecedented economic ability.
By becoming Margaret Thatchr?
>>
>> Conservatives are a bunch a self-centered gits who cannot tolerate
>> dissent.
>>
>Indeed.
We agree, let us not hamper on this point.
>
>> Yes, they deserve 0%, but as any movement, they will have a following.
>
>So you actually *do* believe that they should get 0% and as such your
>earlier posting was incorrect?
>
Understood.
YES! They should, but as any good movement, it may never happen.
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
Adam Gray
> >> Labour is know for Economic Blundering. 1970s LAbour bankrupted
> >> Britain.
> >
> >1990s new Labour Government known for unprecedented economic ability.
>
> By becoming Margaret Thatchr?
Regardless of how you qualify our success - and as usual you qualify it
quite incoherently - it is entirely inappropriate to refer to an out of date
example of economic management when there is a current example of such.
Given that I was seven when the last Labour Government lost power, it is
also completely irrelevant to go whining on about what is thoroughly ancient
history. Get a life. And a reality check.
The Doctor
Adam Gray <ag...@crabtree84.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
>> >> Labour is know for Economic Blundering. 1970s LAbour bankrupted
>> >> Britain.
>> >
>> >1990s new Labour Government known for unprecedented economic ability.
>>
>> By becoming Margaret Thatchr?
>
>Regardless of how you qualify our success - and as usual you qualify it
>quite incoherently - it is entirely inappropriate to refer to an out of date
>example of economic management when there is a current example of such.
>Given that I was seven when the last Labour Government lost power, it is
>also completely irrelevant to go whining on about what is thoroughly ancient
>history. Get a life. And a reality check.
>
Success? More like copy-catting the Conservatives but in fact
the Loony Left still lives on, Prescott.
GRAB A BRAIN!!
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
>
Snarky!
> The Doctor wrote...
> > >>
> > >> Labour and Conservative only deserve 20% of the popular vote each.
> > >
> >
> > Because of the way the MISgovern.
>
> Well, you're entitled to that MISguided view, but if you sincerely hold it,
> why do you not believe Labour and the Tories should get 0% of the vote?
Well, who deserves to win like *that*??? Besides, the losing parties
would be screaming about a fixed election, and they'd probably be
right....
--
========================================================================
Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
The Black Goat With A Thousand Young; the Goat In Black
The _final_ ADRIC Award Ceremonies of the second millennium A.D. are
nearly over!!!
"Remember: Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is."
-- Zog the etc. (in alt.discordia)
The Doctor
Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Adam Gray wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote...
>> > >>
>> > >> Labour and Conservative only deserve 20% of the popular vote each.
>> > >
>> > >Why?
>> >
>> > Because of the way the MISgovern.
>>
>> Well, you're entitled to that MISguided view, but if you sincerely hold it,
>> why do you not believe Labour and the Tories should get 0% of the vote?
>
>Well, who deserves to win like *that*??? Besides, the losing parties
>would be screaming about a fixed election, and they'd probably be
>right....
>
Fixed by the Loony Left, e.g. Glen Clark vs. Dosanjh.
>--
>========================================================================
>Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
>Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
>Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
>Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
>JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
>The Black Goat With A Thousand Young; the Goat In Black
>The _final_ ADRIC Award Ceremonies of the second millennium A.D. are
>nearly over!!!
>"Remember: Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is."
> -- Zog the etc. (in alt.discordia)
The Doctor
Jonn Elledge <JonnE...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> In article <cliffm-2105...@man-102.dialup.zetnet.co.uk>,
>> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>> >In article <8g9h0r$rrv$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, "Jonn Elledge"
>> ><JonnE...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Frankly, I'm fine with the loony left because no one takes them
>seriously
>> >> any more except each other. (Ken is the exception, and won because of
>> >> populism, not politics). It's the loony right of Widdecombe and co.
>that
>> >> worries me.
>> >
>> >AKA the Blairites.
>>
>> I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>
>
>I wish.
Quit wishing and joing the LDs.
>
>Jonn
Ed Jefferson
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:8g9so0$fd2$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
>> In article <cliffm-2105...@man-102.dialup.zetnet.co.uk>,
>> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>> >In article <8g9h0r$rrv$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, "Jonn Elledge"
>> ><JonnE...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Frankly, I'm fine with the loony left because no one takes them
>seriously
>> >> any more except each other. (Ken is the exception, and won because of
>> >> populism, not politics). It's the loony right of Widdecombe and co.
>that
>> >> worries me.
>> >
>> >AKA the Blairites.
>>
>> I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>
>
>I wish.
LD head office, after the next election:
"Oh fuck we've won. What the fuck to we stand for again? Someone make up some
polices..., quick...
--
Or something...
Ed Jefferson, posting through time from 2004
"The lunatics are taking over the asylum."
http://members.xoom.com/radwdatabank Are *you* in the RADW databank?
http://.../upgbook/ The Alt. Book Programme Guide
not iluvjam BTW
Marc Living
wrote:
>I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
swearing.
<followups set>
--
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***********************************************
Nor shall we proceed against a freeman, nor
condemn him but by lawful judgment of his peers
or by the law of the land.
http://www.holbornchambers.co.uk
************************************************
The Doctor
Ed Jefferson <edjef...@aol.comiluvjam> wrote:
>"Jonn Elledge" JonnE...@hotmail.com wrote
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:8g9so0$fd2$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
>>> In article <cliffm-2105...@man-102.dialup.zetnet.co.uk>,
>>> Cliff Morrison <cli...@post.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >In article <8g9h0r$rrv$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, "Jonn Elledge"
>>> ><JonnE...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Frankly, I'm fine with the loony left because no one takes them
>>seriously
>>> >> any more except each other. (Ken is the exception, and won because of
>>> >> populism, not politics). It's the loony right of Widdecombe and co.
>>that
>>> >> worries me.
>>> >
>>> >AKA the Blairites.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>LD head office, after the next election:
>
>polices..., quick...
Ed that is pathetic!!!
That is LABOUR'S LINE!!!
Check http://www.libdems.org.uk for the whole LD picture.
>
>--
>Or something...
>Ed Jefferson, posting through time from 2004
>"The lunatics are taking over the asylum."
>
>http://members.xoom.com/radwdatabank Are *you* in the RADW databank?
>http://.../upgbook/ The Alt. Book Programme Guide
>
>not iluvjam BTW
Jonn Elledge
No, Labour had all the policies ready: they just used a copy of the 1992
Tory manifesto for reference...
Jonn
Andrew J. Brook
Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote in message
news:xGgpOfLctM5iMd...@4ax.com...
> On 21 May 2000 23:50:24 GMT, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
> wrote:
>
> >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>
> If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> swearing.
>
> <followups set>
>
>
> --
> Marc Living (remove "BOUNCEBACK" to reply)
Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
In the spirit of not wanting to copy that other bloke, I will not make any
of the Liberal Democrat jokes I was going to. Instead, here's a Green Party
joke - David Ike! Actually, he was mentioned on the radio today. Apparently
many of his 'predictions' have come true. Perhaps its time to join up with
the Turquoise party..... or perhaps not.
--
Andrew J. Brook esq.
"Heathcliff, Heathcliff, no-one should
Terrorise the neighbourhood!"
Emily Bronte
Remove the unlikely bit from my email address and then garrotte yourself to
send me spam
The Doctor
Andrew J. Brook <andrew...@feelinghothothotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote in message
>news:xGgpOfLctM5iMd...@4ax.com...
>> On 21 May 2000 23:50:24 GMT, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>>
>> If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
>> swearing.
>>
>> <followups set>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marc Living (remove "BOUNCEBACK" to reply)
>
>
>
>Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
>government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
NOPE. A referendum would be held and majority of Britions will say no!
>
>In the spirit of not wanting to copy that other bloke, I will not make any
>of the Liberal Democrat jokes I was going to. Instead, here's a Green Party
>joke - David Ike! Actually, he was mentioned on the radio today. Apparently
>many of his 'predictions' have come true. Perhaps its time to join up with
>the Turquoise party..... or perhaps not.
Political jokes: Tories, Labour and Greens!!
>--
>Andrew J. Brook esq.
>
>"Heathcliff, Heathcliff, no-one should
>Terrorise the neighbourhood!"
>Emily Bronte
>
>Remove the unlikely bit from my email address and then garrotte yourself to
>send me spam
>
>
Marc Living
wrote:
>>Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
>>government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>>bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
>NOPE. A referendum would be held and majority of Britions will say no!
ROFL. A Eurosceptic LibDem. The first of spring?
--
Marc Living (remove "BOUNCEBACK" to reply)
The Doctor
Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote:
>On 23 May 2000 17:39:33 GMT, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>wrote:
>
>>>Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
>>>government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>>>bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
>
>>NOPE. A referendum would be held and majority of Britions will say no!
>
>ROFL. A Eurosceptic LibDem. The first of spring?
>
There are some.
>
>--
>Marc Living (remove "BOUNCEBACK" to reply)
>***********************************************
>Nor shall we proceed against a freeman, nor
>condemn him but by lawful judgment of his peers
>or by the law of the land.
>http://www.holbornchambers.co.uk
>************************************************
John R Ramsden
>
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>>Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
>>>government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>>>bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
>
> > NOPE. A referendum would be held and majority of Britions will say no!
>
> ROFL. A Eurosceptic LibDem. The first of spring?
Impossible! Most likely a very fed-up LibDem, or perhaps an unusually
devious one..
Snarky!
> Marc Living wrote...
> > The Doctor wrote:
> >
> > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> >
> > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> > swearing.
> >
> > <followups set>
>
> government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
> bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
--
========================================================================
Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
The Principia Discordia: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html
The Doctor
>>
>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>>government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>>>>bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
>>
>>
>> ROFL. A Eurosceptic LibDem. The first of spring?
>
>Impossible! Most likely a very fed-up LibDem, or perhaps an unusually
>devious one..
>
So there are those who do NOT believe in free thinking Liberals.
>
>Cheers
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>John R Ramsden (j...@redmink.demon.co.uk)
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The new is in the old concealed, the old is in the new revealed.
> St Augustine.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Doctor
Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
>> Marc Living wrote...
>> > The Doctor wrote:
>> >
>> > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>> >
>> > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
>> > swearing.
>> >
>> > <followups set>
>>
>> government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>> bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
>
>
Usually loved by socialists and Conservatives.
>--
>========================================================================
>Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
>Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
>Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
>Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
>JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
>The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
>The Principia Discordia: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html
>The _final_ ADRIC Award Ceremonies of the second millennium A.D. are
>nearly over!!!
>"Remember: Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is."
> -- Zog the etc.
Andrew J. Brook
Snarky! <feeto...@home.com> wrote in message
news:392B2CB6...@home.com...
> "Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> > Marc Living wrote...
> > > The Doctor wrote:
> > >
> > > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> > >
> > > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> > > swearing.
> > >
> > > <followups set>
> >
> > Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
> > government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
> > bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
anything.
>
> Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
>
> --
> ========================================================================
> Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
> Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark,
You are clearly a pro-mindless cretinism troll and are therefore entering an
exclusive club to join Mr J. Long and a load of spammers. Go fuck with your
own country's political system; leave us to fuck with ours.
Andrew J. Brook
The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:8gfhgt$jvv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
> In article <392B2CB6...@home.com>,
> Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> >> Marc Living wrote...
> >> > The Doctor wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> >> >
> >> > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> >> > swearing.
> >> >
> >> > <followups set>
> >>
> >> Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
> >> government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
> >> bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
anything.
> >
> >Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
> >
>
> Usually loved by socialists and Conservatives.
>
Hah! Oi, Yads, do you actually know ANYTHING about the Lib Dems?
The Doctor
>news:8gfhgt$jvv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
>> In article <392B2CB6...@home.com>,
>> Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
>> >> Marc Living wrote...
>> >> > The Doctor wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>> >> >
>> >> > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
>> >> > swearing.
>> >> >
>> >> > <followups set>
>> >>
>> >> Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
>> >> government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>> >> bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
>anything.
>> >
>> >Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
>> >
>>
>> Usually loved by socialists and Conservatives.
>>
>
>
>
>
>Hah! Oi, Yads, do you actually know ANYTHING about the Lib Dems?
Ever heard of Liberal International?
>--
>Andrew J. Brook esq.
>
>"Heathcliff, Heathcliff, no-one should
>Terrorise the neighbourhood!"
>Emily Bronte
>
>Remove the unlikely bit from my email address and then garrotte yourself to
>send me spam
>
>
Andrew J. Brook
> In article <Z2UW4.1108$Wr2....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Andrew J. Brook <andrew...@feelinghothothotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >news:8gfhgt$jvv$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca...
> >> In article <392B2CB6...@home.com>,
> >> Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> >> >> Marc Living wrote...
> >> >> > The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> >> >> > swearing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > <followups set>
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
> >> >> government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a
dictatorial
> >> >> bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
> >anything.
> >> >
> >> >Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Usually loved by socialists and Conservatives.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hah! Oi, Yads, do you actually know ANYTHING about the Lib Dems?
>
> Ever heard of Liberal International?
>
No. Ever heard of Lib Dem policies?
The Doctor
Available at http://www.libdems.org.uk and created by ordinary John Smiths.
If you are NOT familiar with Li, you must a self-righteous Tory.
>
>--
>Andrew J. Brook esq.
>
>"Heathcliff, Heathcliff, no-one should
>Terrorise the neighbourhood!"
>Emily Bronte
>
>Remove the unlikely bit from my email address and then garrotte yourself to
>send me spam
>
>
>
Snarky!
> Snarky! wrote...
> > "Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> > > Marc Living wrote...
> > > > The Doctor wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> > > >
> > > > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> > > > swearing.
> > > >
> > > > <followups set>
> > >
> > > Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
> > > government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
> > > bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
> anything.
> >
> > Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
>
> exclusive club to join Mr J. Long and a load of spammers. Go fuck with your
> own country's political system; leave us to fuck with ours.
|-þ Am not, I'm a pro-anarchy troll, thankyouverymuch! ;-)
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JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
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The Doctor
Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
>> Snarky! wrote...
>> > "Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
>> > > Marc Living wrote...
>> > > > The Doctor wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
>> > > >
>> > > > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
>> > > > swearing.
>> > > >
>> > > > <followups set>
>> > >
>> > > Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
>> > > government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
>> > > bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
>> anything.
>> >
>> > Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
>>
>> You are clearly a pro-mindless cretinism troll and are therefore entering an
>> own country's political system; leave us to **** with ours.
>
>|-þ Am not, I'm a pro-anarchy troll, thankyouverymuch! ;-)
I am a Liberal who will be PM one day.
>
>--
>========================================================================
>Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!! We must stick apart!!!
>Lola, called Snarky, The Chocolate Snark, Queen of the Snarks of Ærisia;
>Queen of Rice; loud and flaming queer Demon of Mockery and Silliness,
>Demon Lord of Confusion; Pope Snarky Goodfella of the undulating cable,
>JM, CK, POEE, KOTHASK; the Very Long, Multi-Coloured Scarf of Tom Baker;
>The Black Goat With A Thousand Young; the Goat In Black
>The Principia Discordia: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/body.html
>The _final_ ADRIC Award Ceremonies of the second millennium A.D. are
>nearly over!!!
>"Remember: Red meat isn't bad for you. Fuzzy blue-green meat is."
> -- Zog the etc. (in alt.discordia)
Andrew J. Brook
> In article <392C7823...@home.com>,
> Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> >> Snarky! wrote...
> >> > "Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> >> > > Marc Living wrote...
> >> > > > The Doctor wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> >> > > > swearing.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > <followups set>
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
> >> > > government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a
dictatorial
> >> > > bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
> >> anything.
> >> >
> >> > Ah! The *best* kind of government!! ;-)
> >>
> >> You are clearly a pro-mindless cretinism troll and are therefore
entering an
> >> exclusive club to join Mr J. Long and a load of spammers. Go *** with
your
> >> own country's political system; leave us to **** with ours.
> >
>
> I am a Liberal who will be PM one day.
>
No, you are a prat. Incidentally, for all those on proper newsgroups, I'd
just like to apologise for Yads. Yes, he always is like this.
The Doctor
Shut up pub drunk. I can apologize for myself you right-of-out it wing
nut!
BTW Tory Boy, I am a Liberal Policy Writer.
>
>--
>Andrew J. Brook esq.
>
>"Heathcliff, Heathcliff, no-one should
>Terrorise the neighbourhood!"
>Emily Bronte
>
>Remove the unlikely bit from my email address and then garrotte yourself to
>send me spam
>
>
>
Matthew M. Huntbach
> > >The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> > >> Success? More like copy-catting the Conservatives but in fact
> > >> the Loony Left still lives on, Prescott.
> > >Its Adam actually. And of course the loony left lives on. Except these
> > >days its called the London Socialist Alliance.
> > And Labour still does not have Loonie Left Elements such as
> > Tony Benn
> > Ken Livingstone (Suspended but still)
> > John Prescott
> >
> > Dare I mention more?
> If Two Jags Prescott is the Loonie Left, then I am Mao Tse Tung...
> he's reinvented himself somewhere to the right of Ted Heath AFAICS
Prescott was never "loony left". He was more old fashioned traditional
working-class Labour. To confuse the two is to show a deep misunderstanding
of Labour politics. The old fashioned left despised the new left for
breaking away from trade union based politics and being more concerned
with sexual issues, racial issues and the like. "Loony left" refers to
a certain sort of obsession with what the traditional left considered
very much fringe issues.
Matthew Huntbach
Matthew M. Huntbach
> On 23 May 2000 17:39:33 GMT, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >>Of course, if the Lib Dems get their way, there won't be another UK
> >>government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a dictatorial
> >>bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do anything.
> >NOPE. A referendum would be held and majority of Britions will say no!
> ROFL. A Eurosceptic LibDem. The first of spring?
Dave Yadallee is not a LibDem. He's a Canadian who I think has some
connection with the Canadian Liberal Party, but anyway is a long-time
usenet wacko who no-one takes seriously.
As for Eurosceptic LibDems, the caricature of LibDems as uncritical
supporters of the EU, which little Englander Tories love to portray, is
rubbish. Most LibDems are supportive of the principal of the EU but very
critical of its current structures.
Matthew Huntbach
The Doctor
The Doctor
NO problem with the correct. IT is the extremists who
make it bad for the rest.
anybody
Matthew M. Huntbach <m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> wrote
>"Loony left" refers to
> a certain sort of obsession with what the traditional left considered
> very much fringe issues.
and most of rest of the electorate too as William Hague has noticed...
The Doctor
Severian
> In article <392C7823...@home.com>,
> Snarky! <the_choco...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >"Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> >> Snarky! wrote...
> >> > "Andrew J. Brook" wrote:
> >> > > Marc Living wrote...
> >> > > > The Doctor wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >I swear, the LDems will become the next UK government.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If that *does* happen, you won't be the only person who'll be
> >> > > > swearing.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > <followups set>
> >> > >
> >> > > government. We'll be part of the United States of Europe, a
dictatorial
> >> > > bureacracy with no elected representatives that can actually do
> >> anything.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You are clearly a pro-mindless cretinism troll and are therefore
entering an
> >> exclusive club to join Mr J. Long and a load of spammers. Go *** with
your
> >> own country's political system; leave us to **** with ours.
> >
> >|-ş Am not, I'm a pro-anarchy troll, thankyouverymuch! ;-)
>
> I am a Liberal who will be PM one day.
Er - Pretty Mad?
--
Professor Kettlewell (angst-ridden automata a specialty)
termin...@severian.demon.co.uk
Marc Living
(Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote:
>As for Eurosceptic LibDems, the caricature of LibDems as uncritical
>supporters of the EU, which little Englander
A term coined to describe somebody who was opposed to imperialism.
>Tories love to portray, is
>rubbish. Most LibDems are supportive of the principal of the EU but very
>critical of its current structures.
Hmmm ... care to mention a speech or two which is critical of the EU
by any LibDem spokesmen?
--
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The Doctor
Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote:
>On 31 May 2000 14:09:54 GMT, m'learned friend m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
>(Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote:
>
>>As for Eurosceptic LibDems, the caricature of LibDems as uncritical
>>supporters of the EU, which little Englander
>
>A term coined to describe somebody who was opposed to imperialism.
>
>>Tories love to portray, is
>>rubbish. Most LibDems are supportive of the principal of the EU but very
>>critical of its current structures.
>
>Hmmm ... care to mention a speech or two which is critical of the EU
>by any LibDem spokesmen?
>
>
Small favour mates.
Any chance of pure political followups off of r.a.dw?
We may not mind, BUT this arouse when the locals and by-elections
took place last month.
Adam Gray
> Hmmm ... care to mention a speech or two which is critical of the EU
> by any LibDem spokesmen?
Well I'm sure it is possible to dig up speeches by Nick Harvey who was
staunchly Euro sceptic until...err...the leadership became vacant and he
realised an anti-European candidate wouldn't stand a hope in hell, so
miraculously converted to Europhilia. Of course all it did was make him
look like an even bigger hypocrite and sank his leadership ambitions
apparently permanently.
--
Councillor Adam Gray
Crabtree ward
London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
The Doctor
Adam Gray <adam...@fulham-reach.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Marc Living <black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net> wrote in message
>
>> Hmmm ... care to mention a speech or two which is critical of the EU
>> by any LibDem spokesmen?
>
>Well I'm sure it is possible to dig up speeches by Nick Harvey who was
>staunchly Euro sceptic until...err...the leadership became vacant and he
>realised an anti-European candidate wouldn't stand a hope in hell, so
>miraculously converted to Europhilia. Of course all it did was make him
>look like an even bigger hypocrite and sank his leadership ambitions
>apparently permanently.
>
Politics. A weird Animal.
You have to choose who least ticks you off and whom you can work
the most with, hence my allegiance to Centrism.
You got left-out-of-it, Right-out-of-it and going-through-the-middle.
Anyways, this all started when someone in r.a.dw was discussing the Doctor's
Politics, somewhere between LibDem and Labour.
Anyways a more pertinent question:
Of all the literary character of the UK, where do you palce them on the
political spectrum?
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>
Matthew M. Huntbach
> On 31 May 2000 14:09:54 GMT, m'learned friend m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
> (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote:
> >As for Eurosceptic LibDems, the caricature of LibDems as uncritical
> >supporters of the EU, which little Englander
> A term coined to describe somebody who was opposed to imperialism.
Yes, and so? I don't thinbk today's Tories are imperialists.
> >Tories love to portray, is
> >rubbish. Most LibDems are supportive of the principal of the EU but very
> >critical of its current structures.
> Hmmm ... care to mention a speech or two which is critical of the EU
> by any LibDem spokesmen?
Read the "view from Brussels" column in the Liberal Democrat News.
How many speeches and articles by LibDem spokemen to you know of
anyway? Since they rarely get reported in the press maybe the reason
you don't know this is the usual line is that you never see them reported.
Matthew Huntbach
Cliff Morrison
Huntbach) wrote:
> Marc Living (black...@BOUNCEBACK.cwcom.net) wrote:
> > On 31 May 2000 14:09:54 GMT, m'learned friend m...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
> > (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote:
>
> > >As for Eurosceptic LibDems, the caricature of LibDems as uncritical
> > >supporters of the EU, which little Englander
>
> > A term coined to describe somebody who was opposed to imperialism.
>
> Yes, and so? I don't thinbk today's Tories are imperialists.
>
> > >Tories love to portray, is
> > >rubbish. Most LibDems are supportive of the principal of the EU but very
> > >critical of its current structures.
>
> > Hmmm ... care to mention a speech or two which is critical of the EU
> > by any LibDem spokesmen?
>
> Read the "view from Brussels" column in the Liberal Democrat News.
Is that an internal Party publication?
> How many speeches and articles by LibDem spokemen to you know of
> anyway? Since they rarely get reported in the press maybe the reason
> you don't know this is the usual line is that you never see them reported.
Funny how their very "pro" comments always seem to get reported though.
Adam Gray
> Of all the literary character of the UK, where do you palce them on the
> political spectrum?
Well, if I understood your question I might be able to answer it!
The Doctor
Adam Gray <adam...@fulham-reach.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
>> Of all the literary character of the UK, where do you palce them on the
>> political spectrum?
>
>Well, if I understood your question I might be able to answer it!
>
Right. Place:
William Shakespeare
Chaucer
Sherlock Holmes
The doctor
Roj Blake
on the political specturm for starters.
>
>--
>Councillor Adam Gray
>Crabtree ward
>London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham
>http://www.lbhf.gov.uk
>
>