GRidlock - How far has RTD gone?
The Doctor
The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
The hymns:
The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
Saviour did for mankind.
Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
sexual orientation statement.
Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
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>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>
> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>
> The hymns:
>
> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
> Saviour did for mankind.
>
> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
>
> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
> sexual orientation statement.
>
>
> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>
> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
Just what the fuck are you on about now you raving madman?
Agamemnon
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He's referring to bestiality being used to justify lesbianity in Gridlock.
Hercule Platini
"Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
I think the trouble is that there isn't a grammar checker on a crayon. Even
the blue ones.
--
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"Always use the pointy end."
The Doctor
>
>
>
That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
thought.
The Doctor
Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>"Ian Salsbury" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> news:f703r0$hn6$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>>
>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>>
>>> The hymns:
>>>
>>> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
>>> Saviour did for mankind.
>>>
>>> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
>>>
>>> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
>>> sexual orientation statement.
>>>
>>>
>>> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>>>
>>> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
>>> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
>>
>
>He's referring to bestiality being used to justify lesbianity in Gridlock.
>
I am referring to RTD's statement about alternative lifestyles.
Monsieur Tabernac
(The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <5fhvf9F...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ian Salsbury <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:f703r0$hn6$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>>
>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>>
>>> The hymns:
>>>
>>> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
>>> Saviour did for mankind.
>>>
>>> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
>>>
>>> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
>>> sexual orientation statement.
>>>
>>>
>>> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>>>
>>> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
>>> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
>>
>>Just what are you on about now you raving madman?
>>
>>
>>
>
>That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>thought.
Please define "moral and social thought".
Andrew
<mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> said:
Or even "Communist-style". Last I checked Stalinist Russia wasn't
renowned for its acceptance of 'alternative lifestyles'.
Ian Salsbury
> thought.
How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with Yads
anymore... ). There`s a 6 page thread on OG about religion in this episode
and virtually everyone of Christian faith said they thought it was
beautifully done and very moving. The hymns were used to show how faith and
hope can get some people through difficult times. The only way I can think
you could see them as offensive is that the hope these people clinged on to
wasn`t there...the rulers above didn`t exist anymore...perhaps this is where
you see RTD making his atheist propoganda?
But either way he clearly shows that for people to have faith can be a good
thing, and that that faith can help them through troubled times. What can
you of all people possibly take offence to at that?
I think it`s perhaps telling that the first person to agree with Aggy that
RTD is trying to promote bestiality is Yads. Two of the looniest people I`ve
ever come across on usenet probably deserve each other.
As for the Muslim flag...as an atheist I see no reason why RTD would single
out this religion above any others, it`s a very basic design and probably
similar entirely by accident. Considering how quick to anger Muslims can be
if they feel their faith has been attacked I`m sure this episode would have
provoked comments in the media at the time if it was genuinely seen to be
offensive.
You finish your rant by saying that others of religious persuasion will call
RTD a "wing nut" ( a curious insult indeed ) yet there`s been absolutely no
examples of this whatsoever...indeed most religious people were rather taken
by it.
Sometimes I`d love to have one of these discussion at a round table with
everyone in person as I just *know* your response will be some vague wishy
washy one liner that barely makes sense. I`m genuinely curious to see if
you`re really as stupid as your usenet posts make you out to be.
PnakotusExchangeStudent
Actually the cresent is just a shape. It appears in our moon, and in
other places both natural and manmade. Just because Islam uses it for
one of their symbols does not give them exclusive rights to it.
> The hymns:
>
> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
> Saviour did for mankind.
I thought the part with everyone signing together was kinda of
touching. :)
> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
> sexual orientation statement.
Yeah, whatever, this bit's been talked to death around here.
> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
If you're going to read such things into people's works then does
Terry Nation advocate fascist/nazi ideals that he wrote into the
Daleks? Just because someone uses concepts in their works does not
mean that they are advocating those concepts for use in real life. It
just means they thought it would be interesting/useful for the story.
Monsieur Tabernac
<I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>> thought.
>
>How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with Yads
>anymore... ). There`s a 6 page thread on OG about religion in this episode
>and virtually everyone of Christian faith said they thought it was
>beautifully done and very moving. The hymns were used to show how faith and
>hope can get some people through difficult times. The only way I can think
>you could see them as offensive is that the hope these people clinged on to
>wasn`t there...the rulers above didn`t exist anymore...perhaps this is where
>you see RTD making his atheist propoganda?
>
>But either way he clearly shows that for people to have faith can be a good
>thing, and that that faith can help them through troubled times. What can
>you of all people possibly take offence to at that?
>
>I think it`s perhaps telling that the first person to agree with Aggy that
>RTD is trying to promote bestiality is Yads. Two of the looniest people I`ve
>ever come across on usenet probably deserve each other.
>
>As for the Muslim flag...as an atheist I see no reason why RTD would single
>out this religion above any others, it`s a very basic design and probably
>similar entirely by accident. Considering how quick to anger Muslims can be
>if they feel their faith has been attacked I`m sure this episode would have
>provoked comments in the media at the time if it was genuinely seen to be
>offensive.
I wonder if Yads would find it offensive if it was a cross? I guess
it's no accident that the red cross is known as the red crescent in
Muslim countries (with the associated matching symbol).
>You finish your rant by saying that others of religious persuasion will call
>RTD a "wing nut" ( a curious insult indeed ) yet there`s been absolutely no
>examples of this whatsoever...indeed most religious people were rather taken
>by it.
>
>Sometimes I`d love to have one of these discussion at a round table with
>everyone in person as I just *know* your response will be some vague wishy
>washy one liner that barely makes sense. I`m genuinely curious to see if
>you`re really as stupid as your usenet posts make you out to be.
In Yads' defence (and I know he'll see this as an insult, although I
sincerely don't mean it to be), I don't think he's stupid -- on the
contrary, I think he's at least above average in intelligence. I do
get the impression, however, that he has some form of autism such as
Aspergers, which accounts for a lot of his behaviour (and I really
don't mean that as an insult; many people who are diagnosed as
autistic are very intelligent and successful (Alan Turing, the
inventor of the computer/Enigma machine is a shining example; and some
experts have speculated that even Einstein had some form of autism) --
they just see things a little differently than we do.
Personally, I often think of not engaging Yads at all, but then he
will start spouting some really offensive opinions and, well, I just
can't help myself. I'm going to try to work on that.
Ian Salsbury
"Monsieur Tabernac" <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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This accusation has been levelled at him before many times though and he`s
always denied it. Personally I think he`s far too concerned with posting as
many posts as possible rather than making sure they actually mean something.
As for his world view, I get the impression he`s lived in some sort of
bubble world protected from society. I know this is character assasination
based on usenet posts but he really does seem detached from reality to me. I
wouldn`t be surprised if he`s seen very little of life outside his work,
immediate family and church. I`m sure he`s a well meaning fellow at heart
but if I`m honest his opinions sometimes...scare me a little.
blue
> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>
> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>
> The hymns:
>
> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
> Saviour did for mankind.
>
> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
>
> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
> sexual orientation statement.
>
>
> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>
> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
I thought it had a great subtext. Heaven has died, we are stuck in limbo
and hell is nipping at our toes.
God is dead. Either that or he is blinking at moment (one giant God
blink equals 1 million years).
Andrew
<I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> said:
Indeed. I was one of those posters on OG. As a devout Christian and lay
preacher I found the use of the hymns in Gridlock to be well-placed,
well-chosen and moving. Far from rubbishing faith it suggested that
faith was necessary to those caught in the traffic.
Elvis Gump
But you can also recognize that the majority of any society in one
century would scarcely recognize their decedents a century later.
Imagine what the priggish, uptight people in their high collars and long
dresses in 1907 would think of the fashion, music and morals of 2007.
Religions are just forms of social control for stupid people who would
otherwise probably go apeshit without them.
There is NO religion that has EVER been on the right side of
technological advancement.
EVER.
--
"If we go back to the beginning we shall find that ignorance and fear
created the gods, that fancy enthusiasm or deceit adorned them, that
weakness worships them, that credulity preserves them and that custom
respect and tyranny support them in order to make the blindness of men
serve their own interests."
-- Baron d’'Holbach, "The System of Nature"
PV
>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>
>The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
Shocking! Even more so because IT ALREADY IS a symbol for medicine in
middle eastern countries, where "red cross" wouldn't be appropriate. Look
up "red crescent society", you big idiot. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Bruce Stewart
> In article <5fhvf9F...@mid.individual.net>,
> Ian Salsbury <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:f703r0$hn6$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>>
>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>>
>>> The hymns:
>>>
>>> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
>>> Saviour did for mankind.
>>>
>>> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
>>>
>>> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
>>> sexual orientation statement.
>>>
>>>
>>> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>>>
>>> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
>>> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
>>
>>Just what are you on about now you raving madman?
>>
>>
>>
>
> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
> thought.
You are just showing yourself to be a complete loony, there is one thing
practically all dictatorships, that includes the communist ones, want
to control that is sex and people's sexuality. The communists
hated "teh gheys" because they were a example of bourgeois society.
The only dictatorship that I can recall that did have any explicit
sexual content in their published material was the Brazilians.
Bruce S.
--
Replace the by by blueyonder.
The Doctor
Ian Salsbury <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>> thought.
>
>How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with Yads
>anymore... ). There`s a 6 page thread on OG about religion in this episode
>and virtually everyone of Christian faith said they thought it was
>beautifully done and very moving. The hymns were used to show how faith and
>hope can get some people through difficult times. The only way I can think
>you could see them as offensive is that the hope these people clinged on to
>wasn`t there...the rulers above didn`t exist anymore...perhaps this is where
>you see RTD making his atheist propoganda?
1) Old Rugged Croos - as someone is about to die for good.
2) The Crescent, the symbol for Islam and the star is replaced by drugs.
3) Abide in me- Why??
>
>But either way he clearly shows that for people to have faith can be a good
>thing, and that that faith can help them through troubled times. What can
>you of all people possibly take offence to at that?
>
Sound like -- Curse of Fenric.
>I think it`s perhaps telling that the first person to agree with Aggy that
>RTD is trying to promote bestiality is Yads. Two of the looniest people I`ve
>ever come across on usenet probably deserve each other.
>
You would.
>As for the Muslim flag...as an atheist I see no reason why RTD would single
>out this religion above any others, it`s a very basic design and probably
>similar entirely by accident. Considering how quick to anger Muslims can be
>if they feel their faith has been attacked I`m sure this episode would have
>provoked comments in the media at the time if it was genuinely seen to be
>offensive.
>
He atack Abrahimic faiths right across the board with the one.
>You finish your rant by saying that others of religious persuasion will call
>RTD a "wing nut" ( a curious insult indeed ) yet there`s been absolutely no
>examples of this whatsoever...indeed most religious people were rather taken
>by it.
>
Look above.
>Sometimes I`d love to have one of these discussion at a round table with
>everyone in person as I just *know* your response will be some vague wishy
>washy one liner that barely makes sense. I`m genuinely curious to see if
>you`re really as stupid as your usenet posts make you out to be.
>
>
>
I accept the invitation.
The Doctor
PnakotusExchangeStudent <phoeni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>
>Actually the cresent is just a shape. It appears in our moon, and in
>other places both natural and manmade. Just because Islam uses it for
>one of their symbols does not give them exclusive rights to it.
FYI - Allah pre Islam was the Moon God.
>
>> The hymns:
>>
>> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
>> Saviour did for mankind.
>
>I thought the part with everyone signing together was kinda of
>touching. :)
And expecting to die in the process.
>
>> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
>> sexual orientation statement.
>
>Yeah, whatever, this bit's been talked to death around here.
As I said, Ag did make the point.
>
>> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>
>If you're going to read such things into people's works then does
>Terry Nation advocate fascist/nazi ideals that he wrote into the
>Daleks? Just because someone uses concepts in their works does not
>mean that they are advocating those concepts for use in real life. It
>just means they thought it would be interesting/useful for the story.
>
NAtion did base the Daleks on Nazis. What is RTD basing his scripts on?
The Doctor
Some like what RTD is trying to say in his scripts.
I wonder what would happen if RTD was to introduce
"He lives!! He lives!! Christ Jesus Lives today"?
The Doctor
I am goingto disagree. Just just make spiritual songs meaningless,
thought I do agree with moving.
The Doctor
Another wing nut!! isten , just read the bible
and point out who has **NOT** been interpreting it correctly.
The Doctor
PV <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote:
>Clueless boy Yads, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) writes:
>>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>
>>The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>
>Shocking! Even more so because IT ALREADY IS a symbol for medicine in
>middle eastern countries, where "red cross" wouldn't be appropriate. Look
>up "red crescent society", you big idiot. *
>--
Not the way RTD was using it in Gridlock.
The Doctor
Bruce Stewart <bruce_...@by.co.uk> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <5fhvf9F...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ian Salsbury <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:f703r0$hn6$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>>>
>>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>>>
>>>> The hymns:
>>>>
>>>> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
>>>> Saviour did for mankind.
>>>>
>>>> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
>>>>
>>>> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
>>>> sexual orientation statement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should be?
>>>>
>>>> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
>>>> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
>>>
>>>Just what are you on about now you raving madman?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>> thought.
>
>You are just showing yourself to be a complete loony, there is one thing
>practically all dictatorships, that includes the communist ones, want
>to control that is sex and people's sexuality. The communists
>hated "teh gheys" because they were a example of bourgeois society.
And I beleive Kim Philby was a lifelong British Patriot!
>
>The only dictatorship that I can recall that did have any explicit
>sexual content in their published material was the Brazilians.
>
When?
>Bruce S.
>
>--
>Replace the by by blueyonder.
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Nor Chritianity.
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have sex with animals
with men
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with your mother?
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Azaxyr
> Just what the fuck are you on about now you raving madman?
Don't encourage him..
Azaxyr
> How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with Yads
> anymore... ).
I don't even open them, I just mark them 'read' and move on.
Andrew
Indeed. But "anti-Christian" and "Communist" aren't the same thing.
Andrew
,gump,ian salsbury,,the doctor,agamemmon,the face of
po,jeremiebanks,ignis fatuus.com> said:
> But Jesus friend was a prostitute, should mothers follow the bible and
> become prostitutes
Really? Which friend? And if you can find a text in the Bible that
encourages prostitution, let me know.
solar penguin
On 10 Jul, 23:15, Elvis Gump <elvisgump...@SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote:
>
> There is NO religion that has EVER been on the right side of
> technological advancement.
>
> EVER.
Nonsense. Religions have frequently been on the right side, standing
against unwanted technological advancement, doing their best to
protect us from it. Religions may have a lot of flaws, but that isn't
one of them.
DJensen
> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
Are you new to science fiction? That's what SF is for.
> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
That symbol was originally used in the episode New Earth (I think that
was the title) back in series 2. You must be aware there is, here on
Old Earth, an international medical organization whose symbol is a Red
Crescent. It is the branch of the Red Cross serving in predominantly
Muslim countries.
--
DJensen
solar penguin
On 11 Jul, 00:43, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <2007071021500816807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
> Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>
> >Last I checked Stalinist Russia wasn't
> >renowned for its acceptance of 'alternative lifestyles'.
>
> Nor Chritianity.
That's right. Neither Stalinist Russia nor Christianity are renowned
for their acceptance of 'alternative lifestyles'.
Stephen Wilson
>>
>>Please define "moral and social thought".
>
> What you would find in a Bible.
It is moral to put people to death? It is moral to stone people? It is moral
to keep slaves? It is moral to sacrifice animals?
Nope. There is little "morality and social thought" displayed in a Bible.
Stephen Wilson
>>
>>Please define "moral and social thought".
>
> What you would find in a Bible.
You're lying again. You told us you believe in the Old Testament. You told
us you follow the 10 commandments. And then you told us you don't really,
because some of them are just a little bit awkward. Like the law that states
you should do no work on the Sabbath. And you don't seem to support the
Bible's claims that people should be put to death for disobeying such laws.
You keep quoting Leviticus as the reason for being against homosexuals. You
haven't actually explained why you think homosexuality is bad. And you
haven't told us why you don't follow all the other rules and laws laid down
in Leviticus.
The Doctor
zarbiface <zarb...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
>On 10 Jul, 15:07, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>
>
>
>
Twit!
The Doctor
The Doctor
>
>Don't encourage him..
>
>
Too late.
The Doctor
The Doctor
Beause the Red Cross is a symbol of Christian Medicinery.
The Doctor
Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>Scríobh solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>On 10 Jul, 23:15, Elvis Gump <elvisgump...@SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There is NO religion that has EVER been on the right side of
>>> technological advancement.
>>>
>>> EVER.
>>
>>Nonsense. Religions have frequently been on the right side, standing
>>against unwanted technological advancement, doing their best to
>>protect us from it.
>
>in the dark ages for example, Islam promoted understanding of science
>and mathematics, the better to appreciate the beauty of God's
>handiwork.
>
>>Religions may have a lot of flaws, but that isn't
>>one of them.
>
Hence the Arabic numeral system that was Westernized.
The Doctor
Andrew <thec...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>On 2007-07-11 01:15:18 +0100, "TOPoster" <TOPoster@Poster, elvis
>,gump,ian salsbury,,the doctor,agamemmon,the face of
>po,jeremiebanks,ignis fatuus.com> said:
>
>> But Jesus friend was a prostitute, should mothers follow the bible and
>> become prostitutes
>
>Really? Which friend? And if you can find a text in the Bible that
>encourages prostitution, let me know.
Andrew, psychos like Top Poster really has a warped
version of reaity. TP must be on crack.
A Psalm that describe Top Poster
Psalm 74
A maskil of Asaph. [a]
1 Why have you rejected us forever, O God?
Why does your anger smolder against the sheep of your pasture?
2 Remember the people you purchased of old,
the tribe of your inheritance, whom you redeemed—
Mount Zion, where you dwelt.
3 Turn your steps toward these everlasting ruins,
all this destruction the enemy has brought on the sanctuary.
4 Your foes roared in the place where you met with us;
they set up their standards as signs.
5 They behaved like men wielding axes
to cut through a thicket of trees.
6 They smashed all the carved paneling
with their axes and hatchets.
7 They burned your sanctuary to the ground;
they defiled the dwelling place of your Name.
8 They said in their hearts, "We will crush them completely!"
They burned every place where God was worshiped in the land.
9 We are given no miraculous signs;
no prophets are left,
and none of us knows how long this will be.
10 How long will the enemy mock you, O God?
Will the foe revile your name forever?
11 Why do you hold back your hand, your right hand?
Take it from the folds of your garment and destroy them!
12 But you, O God, are my king from of old;
you bring salvation upon the earth.
13 It was you who split open the sea by your power;
you broke the heads of the monster in the waters.
14 It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan
and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert.
15 It was you who opened up springs and streams;
you dried up the ever flowing rivers.
16 The day is yours, and yours also the night;
you established the sun and moon.
17 It was you who set all the boundaries of the earth;
you made both summer and winter.
18 Remember how the enemy has mocked you, O LORD,
how foolish people have reviled your name.
19 Do not hand over the life of your dove to wild beasts;
do not forget the lives of your afflicted people forever.
20 Have regard for your covenant,
because haunts of violence fill the dark places of the land.
21 Do not let the oppressed retreat in disgrace;
may the poor and needy praise your name.
22 Rise up, O God, and defend your cause;
remember how fools mock you all day long.
23 Do not ignore the clamor of your adversaries,
the uproar of your enemies, which rises continually.
And then there is
# Proverbs 3:35
The wise inherit honor, but fools he holds up to shame.
Of course all refernece to folls in PRoverbs
does describe Top oster and many atheists.
The Doctor
Still Communists were anti-Christian, anti-Judaism, anti-Islam ...
The Doctor
Into Context for Christianity
1 Timothy 1
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,
2To Timothy my true son in the faith:
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Warning Against False Teachers of the Law
3As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that law[a] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
The Lord's Grace to Paul
12I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me faithful, appointing me to his service. 13Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
15Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst. 16But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life. 17Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
18Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight, 19holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. 20Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
The Doctor
Read the correct context.
Is it moral to be envious?
The Doctor
The Doctor
zarbiface <zarb...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
>On 11 Jul, 14:12, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <1184117923.458766.95...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> zarbiface <zarbif...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
>> >On 10 Jul, 15:07, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
>>
>> >GOOD!
>>
>> Twit!
>
>been had my friend. Ever hear of "social control"?
>
As Isaid twit!
DJensen
> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >On Jul 10, 11:07 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>
> >That symbol was originally used in the episode New Earth (I think that
> >was the title) back in series 2. You must be aware there is, here on
> >Old Earth, an international medical organization whose symbol is a Red
> >Crescent. It is the branch of the Red Cross serving in predominantly
> >Muslim countries.
>
> Beause the Red Cross is a symbol of Christian Medicinery.
... and the Red *Crescent* is the Muslim offshoot. What part don't you
get? That Muslims have medicine? That Muslims might not want other
Muslims to, you know, get sick and die?
Islamic contributions to modern medicine:
The foundations of opthamology, including cataract surgery and a
plenitude of medical instruments.
The syringe, invented in Iraq.
Anaesthesia, invented in Islamic Spain.
The word "drug" itself comes from Arabic. Muslim doctors invented
chemotheropeutical drugs and developed drug-based treatments for
medical conditions.
"We have reason to believe that when, during the crusades, Europe at
last began to establish hospitals, they were inspired by the Arabs of
near East.... The first hospital in Paris, Les Quinze-vingt, was
founded by Louis IX after his return from the crusade 1254-1260."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_medicine
--
DJensen
Merrick Baldelli
(The Doctor) wrote:
>Another wing nut!! isten , just read the bible
>and point out who has **NOT** been interpreting it correctly.
I'd like to buy an L for this sentence please.
--
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_( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli
(((\ \> /_1 `
(\\\\ \_/ /
-=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
\ _/ Who are these folks and why have they
/ / stopped taking their medication?
- Captain Infinity
Merrick Baldelli
(The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <1184102695.6...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>PnakotusExchangeStudent <phoeni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>
>>Actually the cresent is just a shape. It appears in our moon, and in
>>other places both natural and manmade. Just because Islam uses it for
>>one of their symbols does not give them exclusive rights to it.
>
>FYI - Allah pre Islam was the Moon God.
FYI - the Crescent Moon is a pagan symbol as well, that is not
in the least bit associated to Islam. Your point while being loony,
is myopic as well.
Merrick Baldelli
<I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>> thought.
>
>How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with Yads
>anymore... ).
And yet, here you are... Right in the middle of it.
Impressive!
Seriously, you should know that the man's totally fucking
unhinged. I mean he posted two responses to the same message within a
minute of each other. You just know that at least two different
personalities were going to come out to play just by that proof alone.
[snippage]
>Sometimes I`d love to have one of these discussion at a round table with
>everyone in person as I just *know* your response will be some vague wishy
>washy one liner that barely makes sense. I`m genuinely curious to see if
>you`re really as stupid as your usenet posts make you out to be.
Frankly, I'd like to confirm which drug is tainting his water
supply. Lead Based paints, or something more Medicinal...
Anim8rFSK
solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
"unwanted technological advancement"?
--
"No man ever notices a woman's shoes, unless they have boobs on them."
-- Mark Nobles
Stile4aly
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:12:33 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>
> (The Doctor) wrote:
> >PnakotusExchangeStudent <phoenix.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>
> >>Actually the cresent is just a shape. It appears in our moon, and in
> >>other places both natural and manmade. Just because Islam uses it for
> >>one of their symbols does not give them exclusive rights to it.
>
> >FYI - Allah pre Islam was the Moon God.
>
> FYI - the Crescent Moon is a pagan symbol as well, that is not
> in the least bit associated to Islam. Your point while being loony,
> is myopic as well.
And, FYI, Allah has nothing to do with the pre-Islamic "Moon God."
This is a Jack Chick canard. There was a pagan idol "Al-Lat" which is
spelled and pronounced differently in Arabic, and is unrelated to
"Allah" which literally means "The Lord" in Arabic. Indeed, Arabic
speaking Christians and Jews refer to Allah in arabic translations of
the Bible, Torah, and other holy texts.
Lastly, speaking as a Muslim, I didn't notice the flag, and even
having it pointed out to me isn't that big a deal. When symbology
trumps reason you're dealing with idolatry, not religion.
Stile4aly
Islamic medicine was considered to be the finest in the world at the
time. When King Baldwin IV fell ill at the battle of Kerak, Saladin
offered the services of his personal physicians, considered to be a
great honor. The same was true with Richard the Lionheart at the
Battle of Arsuf.
PnakotusExchangeStudent
> >If you're going to read such things into people's works then does
> >Terry Nation advocate fascist/nazi ideals that he wrote into the
> >Daleks? Just because someone uses concepts in their works does not
> >mean that they are advocating those concepts for use in real life. It
> >just means they thought it would be interesting/useful for the story.
>
> NAtion did base the Daleks on Nazis. What is RTD basing his scripts on?
I'm not debating where Terry Nation may have gotten his ideas from,
I'm just saying that he was probably not advocating/encouraging these
ideals for use in our society.
The Doctor
The Doctor
Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:07:21 +0100, "Ian Salsbury"
><I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>>> thought.
>>
>>How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with Yads
>>anymore... ).
>
> And yet, here you are... Right in the middle of it.
>Impressive!
>
> Seriously, you should know that the man's totally
>minute of each other. You just know that at least two different
>personalities were going to come out to play just by that proof alone.
>[snippage]
>
>>Sometimes I`d love to have one of these discussion at a round table with
>>everyone in person as I just *know* your response will be some vague wishy
>>washy one liner that barely makes sense. I`m genuinely curious to see if
>>you`re really as stupid as your usenet posts make you out to be.
>
> Frankly, I'd like to confirm which drug is tainting his water
>supply. Lead Based paints, or something more Medicinal...
>
>--
Chlorine in the water doing this?? LOL!
The Doctor
Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:16:53 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>(The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>Another wing nut!! isten , just read the bible
>>and point out who has **NOT** been interpreting it correctly.
>
> I'd like to buy an L for this sentence please.
>
:-) Nice to see someone with humour.
The Doctor
Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:12:33 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>(The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>In article <1184102695.6...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>>PnakotusExchangeStudent <phoeni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>>
>>>Actually the cresent is just a shape. It appears in our moon, and in
>>>other places both natural and manmade. Just because Islam uses it for
>>>one of their symbols does not give them exclusive rights to it.
>>
>>FYI - Allah pre Islam was the Moon God.
>
> FYI - the Crescent Moon is a pagan symbol as well, that is not
>in the least bit associated to Islam. Your point while being loony,
>is myopic as well.
>
So where does the cross and fish come from in Christianity?
The Doctor
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <1184142620.1...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10 Jul, 23:15, Elvis Gump <elvisgump...@SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > There is NO religion that has EVER been on the right side of
>> > technological advancement.
>> >
>> > EVER.
>>
>> Nonsense. Religions have frequently been on the right side, standing
>> against unwanted technological advancement, doing their best to
>> protect us from it. Religions may have a lot of flaws, but that isn't
>> one of them.
>
>"unwanted technological advancement"?
>
Is that wht SP calls the printing press?
The Doctor
canard? I note that Al-Lat and Allah are close.
Monsieur Tabernac
Right.
Now getting back to your original point -- why do you find the use of
an Islamesque crescent shape as a medical symbol particularly
offensive?
The Doctor
Monsieur Tabernac
Oh gawd.. what have you got against the metric system? Is it a symbol
of communist, atheist, immoral anarchy or something?
The Doctor
The Doctor
A lot. Computer tend to do more calcuating in the Metric System
than they do in the Imperical system.
Dave Cross
> In article <1184142620.1...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On 10 Jul, 23:15, Elvis Gump <elvisgump...@SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There is NO religion that has EVER been on the right side of
>>> technological advancement.
>>>
>>> EVER.
>>
>>Nonsense. Religions have frequently been on the right side, standing
>>against unwanted technological advancement, doing their best to protect
>>us from it. Religions may have a lot of flaws, but that isn't one of
>>them.
>>
> Are you a loddite?
Yads, remember what I said about proof-reading before posting.
I think the term you're looking for is "luddite".
Dave...
Dave Cross
> In article <0bu893hodnoapu42u...@4ax.com>, Merrick
> Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:12:33 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1184102695.6...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>>>PnakotusExchangeStudent <phoeni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
>>>>
>>>>Actually the cresent is just a shape. It appears in our moon, and in
>>>>other places both natural and manmade. Just because Islam uses it for
>>>>one of their symbols does not give them exclusive rights to it.
>>>
>>>FYI - Allah pre Islam was the Moon God.
>>
>> FYI - the Crescent Moon is a pagan symbol as well, that is not
>>in the least bit associated to Islam. Your point while being loony, is
>>myopic as well.
>>
> So where does the cross and fish come from in Christianity?
You're the christian. Surely you should know that.
(Clue: the first one is _really_ easy - just read the gospels)
Dave...
The Doctor
The Doctor
Monsieur Tabernac
(The Doctor) wrote:
Please explain. What was the metaphor?
Monsieur Tabernac
(The Doctor) wrote:
You're against the metric system because computers tend to use it more
than the Imperial system? Why does that offend you so?
Brian Henderson
(The Doctor) wrote:
>That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
>thought.
It's his show, don't like it, don't watch.
Dave Cross
> In article <pan.2007.07...@dave.org.uk>, Dave Cross
> <da...@dave.org.uk> wrote:
>>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:15:03 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1184142620.1...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>On 10 Jul, 23:15, Elvis Gump <elvisgump...@SPAM.fastmail.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is NO religion that has EVER been on the right side of
>>>>> technological advancement.
>>>>>
>>>>> EVER.
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense. Religions have frequently been on the right side, standing
>>>>against unwanted technological advancement, doing their best to
>>>>protect us from it. Religions may have a lot of flaws, but that isn't
>>>>one of them.
>>>>
>>> Are you a loddite?
>>
>>Yads, remember what I said about proof-reading before posting.
>>
>>I think the term you're looking for is "luddite".
>
> 10/10.
I don't need your childish scores. What I need[1] is for you to proof-read
your posts before sending them.
Is that really too much to ask?
Dave...
[1] Well, ok, "need" is a bit strong, but it would improve my quality of
life however infinitesimally.
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:f72kvk$20f$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <1184117923....@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> zarbiface <zarb...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
> >On 10 Jul, 15:07, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
> >>
> >
> >GOOD!
> >
> >
>
> Twit!
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:f72l2p$20f$4...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <_KadncqjUt0WxQnb...@ptd.net>,
> Azaxyr <aza...@gnews.com> wrote:
> >Ian Salsbury wrote:
> >> How? ( grrrr, I swore not to get involved in these discussions with
Yads
> >> anymore... ).
> >
> >I don't even open them, I just mark them 'read' and move on.
> >
> >
>
> Your choice.
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:f72l3b$20f$5...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <_KadncujUt3WxQnb...@ptd.net>,
> Azaxyr <aza...@gnews.com> wrote:
> >Ian Salsbury wrote:
> >> Just what are you on about now you raving madman?
> >
> >Don't encourage him..
> >
> >
>
> Too late.
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:f72l6a$20f$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <1184147206....@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >On Jul 10, 11:07 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
> >
> >Are you new to science fiction? That's what SF is for.
> >
> >> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
> >
> >That symbol was originally used in the episode New Earth (I think that
> >was the title) back in series 2. You must be aware there is, here on
> >Old Earth, an international medical organization whose symbol is a Red
> >Crescent. It is the branch of the Red Cross serving in predominantly
> >Muslim countries.
> >
>
> Beause the Red Cross is a symbol of Christian Medicinery.
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:f72m66$20f$2...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <2007071108123250073-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
> Andrew <thec...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
> >On 2007-07-11 01:15:18 +0100, "TOPoster" <TOPoster@Poster, elvis
> >,gump,ian salsbury,,the doctor,agamemmon,the face of
> >po,jeremiebanks,ignis fatuus.com> said:
> >
> >> But Jesus friend was a prostitute, should mothers follow the bible and
> >> become prostitutes
> >
> >Really? Which friend? And if you can find a text in the Bible that
> >encourages prostitution, let me know.
>
> Andrew, psychos like Top Poster really has a warped
> version of reaity. TP must be on crack.
>
> A Psalm that describe Top Poster
>
> Psalm 74
> A maskil of Asaph. [a]
> 1 Why have you rejected us forever, O God?
> Why does your anger smolder against the sheep of your pasture?
>
> 2 Remember the people you purchased of old,
> the tribe of your inheritance, whom you redeemed-
> Mount Zion, where you dwelt.
>
> 3 Turn your steps toward these everlasting ruins,
> all this destruction the enemy has brought on the sanctuary.
>
> 4 Your foes roared in the place where you met with us;
> they set up their standards as signs.
>
> 5 They behaved like men wielding axes
> to cut through a thicket of trees.
>
> 6 They smashed all the carved paneling
> with their axes and hatchets.
>
> 7 They burned your sanctuary to the ground;
> they defiled the dwelling place of your Name.
>
> 8 They said in their hearts, "We will crush them completely!"
> They burned every place where God was worshiped in the land.
>
> 9 We are given no miraculous signs;
> no prophets are left,
> and none of us knows how long this will be.
>
> 10 How long will the enemy mock you, O God?
> Will the foe revile your name forever?
>
> 11 Why do you hold back your hand, your right hand?
> Take it from the folds of your garment and destroy them!
>
> 12 But you, O God, are my king from of old;
> you bring salvation upon the earth.
>
> 13 It was you who split open the sea by your power;
> you broke the heads of the monster in the waters.
>
> 14 It was you who crushed the heads of Leviathan
> and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert.
>
> 15 It was you who opened up springs and streams;
> you dried up the ever flowing rivers.
>
> 16 The day is yours, and yours also the night;
> you established the sun and moon.
>
> 17 It was you who set all the boundaries of the earth;
> you made both summer and winter.
>
> 18 Remember how the enemy has mocked you, O LORD,
> how foolish people have reviled your name.
>
> 19 Do not hand over the life of your dove to wild beasts;
> do not forget the lives of your afflicted people forever.
>
> 20 Have regard for your covenant,
> because haunts of violence fill the dark places of the land.
>
> 21 Do not let the oppressed retreat in disgrace;
> may the poor and needy praise your name.
>
> 22 Rise up, O God, and defend your cause;
> remember how fools mock you all day long.
>
> 23 Do not ignore the clamor of your adversaries,
> the uproar of your enemies, which rises continually.
>
> And then there is
>
> # Proverbs 3:35
> The wise inherit honor, but fools he holds up to shame.
>
> Of course all refernece to folls in PRoverbs
> does describe Top oster and many atheists.
The Doctor
Give me a break. People like you are the
reasons dictatorships come into being.
TOPoster
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--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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> In article <2007071108105975249-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
> Andrew <thec...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
> >On 2007-07-11 00:43:34 +0100, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) said:
> >
> >> In article <2007071021500816807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
> >> Andrew <thec...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
> >>> On 2007-07-10 21:06:24 +0100, Monsieur Tabernac
> >>> <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> said:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:57:24 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
> >>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <5fhvf9F...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>>>> Ian Salsbury <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:f703r0$hn6$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>>>>>> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Crescent is the Islamic symbol - and using it for medicine?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The hymns:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Old Rugged Cross - A reminder of an act of love the Living
> >>>>>>> Saviour did for mankind.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Abide in Me - A salute to the fallen in WWI .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ag's criticism of catman and woman produce kittens -
> >>>>>>> sexual orientation statement.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Has RTD really made his statement of how he views society should
be?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ag was furious, I am not please and I can
> >>>>>>> see other religious types saying RTD is a wing nut!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just what are you on about now you raving madman?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That RTD just did a Communist-styled assault on moral and social
> >>>>> thought.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please define "moral and social thought".
> >>>
> >>> Or even "Communist-style". Last I checked Stalinist Russia wasn't
> >>> renowned for its acceptance of 'alternative lifestyles'.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nor Chritianity.
> >
> >Indeed. But "anti-Christian" and "Communist" aren't the same thing.
> >
>
> Still Communists were anti-Christian, anti-Judaism, anti-Islam ...
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <1184152088.7...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >On 11 Jul, 00:43, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <2007071021500816807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
> >> Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Last I checked Stalinist Russia wasn't
> >> >renowned for its acceptance of 'alternative lifestyles'.
> >>
> >> Nor Chritianity.
> >
> >That's right. Neither Stalinist Russia nor Christianity are renowned
> >for their acceptance of 'alternative lifestyles'.
> >
>
> Into Context for Christianity
>
> 1 Timothy 1
>
> 1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of
Christ Jesus our hope,
>
> 2To Timothy my true son in the faith:
> Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our
Lord.
> Warning Against False Teachers of the Law
> 3As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that
you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4nor to
devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote
controversies rather than God's work-which is by faith. 5The goal of this
command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a
sincere faith. 6Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless
talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they
are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
>
> 8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that
law[a] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the
ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their
fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave
traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the
sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God,
which he entrusted to me.
> The Lord's Grace to Paul
> 12I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he
considered me faithful, appointing me to his service. 13Even though I was
once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy
because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14The grace of our Lord was
poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in
Christ Jesus.
>
> 15Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ
Jesus came into the world to save sinners-of whom I am the worst. 16But for
that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners,
Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those
who would believe on him and receive eternal life. 17Now to the King
eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and
ever. Amen.
>
> 18Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the
prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the
good fight, 19holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected
these and so have shipwrecked their faith. 20Among them are Hymenaeus and
Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
TOPoster
Isaid East Indian slang word meaning twit
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Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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> In article <1184159873....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> zarbiface <zarb...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
> >On 11 Jul, 14:12, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >> In article <1184117923.458766.95...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> >>
> >> zarbiface <zarbif...@volcanomail.com> wrote:
> >> >On 10 Jul, 15:07, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >> >> I swear RTD was mocking socio-religious norms!
> >>
> >> >GOOD!
> >>
> >> Twit!
> >
> >Hey, you're the one who still believes all that god nonsense! You've
> >been had my friend. Ever hear of "social control"?
> >
>
> As Isaid twit!
TOPoster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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> In article <gw3li.22418$uR5....@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>,
> Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >news:f715ib$ql5$3...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>>
> >>>Please define "moral and social thought".
> >>
> >> What you would find in a Bible.
> >
> >It is moral to put people to death? It is moral to stone people? It is
moral
> >to keep slaves? It is moral to sacrifice animals?
> >
> >Nope. There is little "morality and social thought" displayed in a Bible.
> >
> >
>
> Read the correct context.
>
> Is it moral to be envious?