Top Five Embarrassing Moments in Doctor Who

Cameron Mason

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> > >2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> > >billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>
> No, any scene with Briers after he gets possessed.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!

Who told him to act like Tom Baker after a pub crawl?????

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<snip>
> more footage of Doctors being strangled, I say!

Hold on, I'll see what I can do...

(Let's see, I need: a plane ticket to England, a video camera and tape, the
home addresses of Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy and
Paul McGann...)

Robbie

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> >1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> >is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
> >
>
> I agree with the other four but I'd replace this one with the cliffhanger from
> Dragonfire where McCoy steps onto a ledge and looks stupid hanging from an
> umbrella for no reason. There is no redeeming value in that moment unless you
> find making audiences cringe a virtue.

There can be no more embarrassing moment than seeing Bertie Bassett in
The Happiness Patrol, truly THE lowest point ever.

Bokman7757

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Sep 19, 2002, 8:29:01 PM9/19/02

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>Troughton: (so little exists, only 1 comes to mind)
>1) The OTT accents in The Space Pirates

And in TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN.

"It's the full pumps! Some character has bulled up the lot!"

simonskupham

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> 1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>

> 2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>

> 3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
> dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
> JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.
>
> 4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
> just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
> never have been given such an important job. What a fool.
>
> 5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
> scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
> badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.
Is it just a coincidence that your 5 moments happen to cover the years
1987-89? 26 years to choose from, and you settled for those. Hmmm...

Lorrill Buyens

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Sep 20, 2002, 10:50:58 PM9/20/02

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>> > > 2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a

>> > > billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>> >

>> > He's being strangled! He's trying to look like he's being strangled! I
>> > daresay you'd look ridiculous if you were trying to look like you were
>> being
>> > strangled, also! What do you want, for McCoy to bleed in a pint glass
>and
>> > serve it to you? Would that help?
>>
>> And it's completely worse than that brilliant scene where Pertwee gets
>> strangled by the Nestene and brilliantly pulls a billion stupid, facily
>> pantomine faces.
>
>That's what I say. It's impossible to be strangled without pulling a
>pantomime face. This, children, is because people PULL FACES WHEN THEY GET
>STRANGLED.

Not necessarily their own, either.

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Lorrill Buyens

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>On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:58:33 +0100, "The Eggman"
><tardi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Good choices all, especially the 'rice pudding' one - th a hideous moment
>>which does hammer the nail into the coffin of what is one of the less
>>dreadful McCoys. Can't believe that nobody's mentioned the 'If we fight
>>like animals, we DUUUUUIIIIIIIYYYYYYEEEEE like animals' classic from
>>Survival. Mind you, fun though the emphasis on McCoy in this thread is, I
>>think the 'photo-montage' ending to The Chase has to be a contender for the
>>most embarrassing moment of all time.
>
>Give a sixties Who a break, guvnor. :)

I already did. I took The Web Planet, and I broke it inna a million
little-bitty pieces...

Lorrill Buyens

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>David A McIntee <david....@btopenBUTCLOSEDTOSPAMworld.com> wrote in

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><snip>
>> > >2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
>> > >billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>>
>> No, any scene with Briers after he gets possessed.
>
>GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
>
>Who told him to act like Tom Baker after a pub crawl?????

Tom Baker, after a pub crawl?

Lorrill Buyens

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>JerryD <defau...@domain.com> wrote in message

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><snip>
>> more footage of Doctors being strangled, I say!
>
>Hold on, I'll see what I can do...
>
>(Let's see, I need: a plane ticket to England, a video camera and tape, the
>home addresses of Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy and
>Paul McGann...)

Nurse? Forty cc's of Thorazine, stat!

Cameron Mason

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Sep 21, 2002, 1:58:48 AM9/21/02

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> Right before "Cameron Mason" <masomika@SPAM_GOES_IN_HEREmpx.com.au> was
> eaten by cannibals on Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:31:15 +1000, they issued this
> poignant cry for help:
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> >JerryD <defau...@domain.com> wrote in message
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> ><snip>
> >> more footage of Doctors being strangled, I say!
> >
> >Hold on, I'll see what I can do...
> >
> >(Let's see, I need: a plane ticket to England, a video camera and tape,
the
> >home addresses of Tom Baker, Peter Davison, Colin Baker, Sylvester McCoy
> >and Paul McGann...)
>
> Nurse? Forty cc's of Thorazine, stat!

Nurse, double the dosage!!!!!!!!

I can see dead people again...

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Cameron Mason

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Sep 21, 2002, 2:00:10 AM9/21/02

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> ><snip>
> >> > >2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> >> > >billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
> >>
> >> No, any scene with Briers after he gets possessed.
> >
> >GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Who told him to act like Tom Baker after a pub crawl?????
>
> Tom Baker, after a pub crawl?

Didn't you see Brier's slurred speech, staggering walk and his monologue on
talking cabbages???

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Paul Strett

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Sep 21, 2002, 4:56:23 AM9/21/02

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packer19...@hotmail.com (P Packer) in rec.arts.drwho said

>1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
>is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>

>2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
>billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.

You could say the same about plenty of Pertwee episode endings. Terror
of the Autons 3, most of Mind of Evil, etc etc.

>
>3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
>dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
>JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.
>
>4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
>just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
>never have been given such an important job. What a fool.

Truly detestable way to treat a once invincible monster. Can you
imagine The Borg being destroyed by a coin ?

>
>5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
>scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
>badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.

End of Twin Dilemma part 2 where Peri turns (supposedly) in tears from
the screen when she thinks the Doc has been blown up.

The whole of part 1 of Twin Dilemma and the dalliance with a version
of the Dark Doctor. In fact the whole episode is unjustifiably bad.

Time and the Rani where the Rani tries to be Mel. I found the scene
where the Doc met the Rani "Who are you......the Rani" to be
abominably awful.

The realisation of the creature in Invisible enemy, very very poor.

It is probably harsh to pick on CSO effects as that was the best
medium available to the team at the time.

Tom Baker fellating Erato in Creature from the Pit is shocking as is
the "ooh my arms, ooh my legs, ooh my everything" scene in Nightmare
of Eden but then these stories were not meant to be as serious as some
of the McCoy ones.

You are harsh on Battlefield. Sure it has some poor moments and some
stereotypical Dungeons and Dragons characters and some really cliched
dialogue but the relationship between Anselin and Brig Bambera was
interesting as was the overall concept. It was poorly executed.

Paul Strett

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Sep 21, 2002, 4:58:49 AM9/21/02

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"Lee Makel's Eyelid" <ban...@lineone.net> in rec.arts.drwho said

>
>"P Packer" <packer19...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>

>I considered saying "Hmm, they're all from 1987-89, what a surprise", but
>that would make me look a tit. So I won't.

>
>> 1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
>> is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>

>Criticising "Time And The Rani" is like breathing in and out.
>

LOL

>>
>> 2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
>> billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>

>He's being strangled! He's trying to look like he's being strangled! I
>daresay you'd look ridiculous if you were trying to look like you were being
>strangled, also! What do you want, for McCoy to bleed in a pint glass and
>serve it to you? Would that help?

LOL

>
>> 3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
>> dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
>> JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.
>

>Davros always was OTT, and McCoy is mocking Davros. 2+2=4. It's. Supposed.
>To. Be. OTT.

Davros was subtly OTT in previous incarnations. Remembrance is poor
and the scene Packer refers to is really awful as it was so poorly
done. Just because it was supposed to be OTT does not make it
embarrasing.

>
>> 4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
>> just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
>> never have been given such an important job. What a fool.
>

>Poor chap shows promise, to be fair, but it should have gone to someone
>else. No, actually, they should have just replaced it with something
>entirely different and made Remembrance the aniversary episode.

Fair point

>
>> 5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
>> scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
>> badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.
>

>I don't know which scene you're on about. Unless you mean that quite good
>one in the tent at the end, where Morgaine's just launched the missiles.
>

Paul Strett

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The Cannnibal Flower <aoNOP...@dsl.pipex.com> in rec.arts.drwho
said
>On 18 Sep 2002 23:38:00 -0700, packer19...@hotmail.com (P Packer)
>verbalised:

>
>>1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
>>is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.

>the Rani as Mel sequences are far worse

>
>
>
>>2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
>>billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.

>As opposed to the end of every trial episode when Baker pulls a
>billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces? No there are far worse
>things in the story Briars being the obvious choice.

>
>>
>>3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
>>dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
>>JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.

>no chance, replace with the Dragonfire cliffhanger

>
>
>>
>>4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
>>just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
>>never have been given such an important job. What a fool.

>yes.

>
>>
>>5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
>>scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
>>badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.

>replace with "If we fight like Animals ...."
>
>
>that concludes the McCrap top 5, for the other 6:
>
>
>
>Hartnells:
>
>The Chase could fill up a top 20 all by itself.

>
>Troughton: (so little exists, only 1 comes to mind)
>1) The OTT accents in The Space Pirates

Well there is Underwater Menace to go at, but most of the bad
Troughton stories are dull (Dominators, War Games) rather than being
really poor.

>
>Pratwee

It is Pertwee actually.

>
>Pertwee`s Gurning in Terror of the Autons

Katy Mannings in Mind of Evil is far worse.

>Pertwee`s disappearing computer tapes in Ambassadors
>Chin in Claws

Chinn is well realised if a little stereotypical.

Filer is far worse

>The oh so honest preachy anti war message of Planet of the Daleks
>Pertwee singing to Ageddor in either story

Do not see the problem with that at all.

>
>
>Tom Baker:
>
>The action man tank in Robot
>You didn`t think to look under that eye patch for *how* many years?

A big hole in the plot

>The Rat.

The best they could do given the budget.

>Leela falling in love and deciding to live with Andred in 37.27
>minutes in IoT
>The realization that the Formasi were supposed to fit in a human skin
>
>Davison:
>
>Davison trying to do his Tom Baker impression in Castrovalva

I thought his Pertwee was worse but Davison is beyond criticism as far
as I am concerned. Probably the most thoughtful actor to have taken
the role and he always put in a good performance however inept the
story was.

>The never ending dances in 42D

Talking of inept stories

>The crap CSO in TimeFlight

Oh, and another

>The Ergon

Oh, and another

>Sir Giles Estram? fanwank of the highest degree

and another.

>
>Colin Baker:
>
>The Twins.
>The Living trees (not the idea, the execution)
>The Timelash itself
>HG Well`s acting
>Mel.

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:38:52 AM9/21/02

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Sep 21, 2002, 9:22:19 AM9/21/02

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Lorrill Buyens <buy...@interlacken.com> wrote:
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>>David A McIntee <david....@btopenBUTCLOSEDTOSPAMworld.com> wrote in
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>><snip>
>>> > >2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
>>> > >billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>>>
>>> No, any scene with Briers after he gets possessed.
>>
>>GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Who told him to act like Tom Baker after a pub crawl?????
>
>Tom Baker, after a pub crawl?
>
>

Nah, TB after a pub crawl would be bet up by Millwall fans
since Tom is a Liverpool/Everton fan.
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Sorry, but HDF is going to end up in the Maze.

Alan S. Wales

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1. Web Planet episode 6. There is a scene where Barbara and a couple of
Menoptra, aided by a tamed Zarbi, overwhelm a Zarbi guard. They do this by
making strange noises and jumping about while Barbara spins the guard around
and around. Everything works together--the cheesy costumes, the sounds the
Menoptra make, the bad set, the body language--to produce the most embarrassing
scene in Dr. Who history. This is *not* the scene you want to show to non-fans
while you explain why you love the show. It is so pathetic I predict you will
laugh out loud.

2. McCoy hanging on the side of a cliff with his umbrella. Yes, this is a
cliffhanger for Dragonfire.

3. The pathetic scene in the Time Monster when Chronos flaps and sorta flies
around the set while hanging from wires that even Helen Keller could have seen.

4. The Kandyman. Any scene.

5. Just about any fight scene, except for season 7 when they had hired Havoc to
stage those scenes. I guess the most cringeworthy is when Hartnell beats up an
assassin in the Romans by pouring water on him, breaking a vase on his head and
finishes him off with the most contrived, silliest judo flip in TV history.

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Sep 21, 2002, 2:21:59 PM9/21/02

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"Alan S. Wales" <powr...@aol.compost> stubbed his toe against a skirting
board and hissed in agony:

1. Web Planet episode 6. There is a scene where Barbara and a couple of
> Menoptra, aided by a tamed Zarbi, overwhelm a Zarbi guard. They do this by
> making strange noises and jumping about while Barbara spins the guard
around
> and around. Everything works together--the cheesy costumes, the sounds the
> Menoptra make, the bad set, the body language--to produce the most
embarrassing
> scene in Dr. Who history. This is *not* the scene you want to show to
non-fans
> while you explain why you love the show. It is so pathetic I predict you
will
> laugh out loud.
>
> 2. McCoy hanging on the side of a cliff with his umbrella. Yes, this is a
> cliffhanger for Dragonfire.

It's the direction and design that lets that bit down. What was supposed to
happen was the Doctor looking down the passage, realising that it comes to
an end, looking down, seeing a ledge, trying to climb to the ledge, failing,
cliffhanger noise. But Chris "Quite Good On A Good Day" Clough has a bad day
and cocks everything up quite mightily.

> 3. The pathetic scene in the Time Monster when Chronos flaps and sorta
flies
> around the set while hanging from wires that even Helen Keller could have
seen.

No she couldn't. I quite like Kronos' design, though. And the way most bits
featuring "him" are directed: show as little as possible to try and cover up
its ineptitude. Not really an option with the last bit, though.

> 4. The Kandyman. Any scene.

Let's not start that again.

> 5. Just about any fight scene, except for season 7 when they had hired
Havoc to
> stage those scenes.

Run by the late, lamented Terry Walsh, the Fourth Doctor himself.

Lee Makel's Eyelid

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Sep 21, 2002, 2:25:11 PM9/21/02

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"Paul Strett" <pau...@ceravox.free-online.co.uk>scratched with his
incredibly sharp fingernails on one of the stone heads of Rapa Nui...

> >> 3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
> >> dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
> >> JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.
> >
> >Davros always was OTT, and McCoy is mocking Davros. 2+2=4. It's.
Supposed.
> >To. Be. OTT.
>
> Davros was subtly OTT in previous incarnations. Remembrance is poor
> and the scene Packer refers to is really awful as it was so poorly
> done. Just because it was supposed to be OTT does not make it
> embarrasing.

That was my point, actually...:-)

Typos aside, I thought it was quite well done. Ah well, there you are. I
must be a moron.

Drox

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:33:37 PM9/21/02

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packer19...@hotmail.com (P Packer) wrote

> 1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>

> 2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>

> 3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
> dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
> JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.
>

> 4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
> just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
> never have been given such an important job. What a fool.
>

> 5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
> scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
> badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.

I'd have to add the candy monster from Paradise Towers. That had to
be the low point for me. In fact I'm tempted to list it as all five
entries in my personal top five embarassing moments list.

But I've also got to leave room at #5 for the dreadful split-screen
effect for the squeaky monster in Power of Kroll. Which wasn't really
that bad of a story overall, but it suffered from some really horrible
embarassing moments. Like the unconvincing cliffhanger (and even less
convincing cliffhanger resolution) with the rack... and every scene
with Kroll in the distance.

-Drox

JerryD

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:46:51 PM9/21/02

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KROLL! KROLL! KROOOOOOOOLLL!!

(Okay, Kroll was probably the daffest story in that paticular season,
and is my second-least favorite KEY TO TIME story, but although the
special effects are cringeworthy and the monster looks AWFUL in all
those long shots, there are moments that make up for it..like the
tentacle popping out of the steam pipe(?) and strangling the guy to
death....

I.E. Whenever Kroll is OFFSCREEN, he's convincing. :)

Dan Keloid

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Sep 21, 2002, 6:58:40 PM9/21/02

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My top five (as painstakingly researched in about 50 seconds)

1) The 'possessed' girls in 'Curse of Fenric' (possessed by The Cure
maybe). Walking towards the camera waving your fingertips is not
allowed if you're meant to be taking things seriously (which for once,
this otherwise better than average McCoy story is). The haemovore
monsters do it as well. Children take the piss out of horror films by
doing that sort of thing, it just won't do.

2) McGann's Christ pose after he emerges from the morgue in 'That
Awful Film'. Of all the nerve - the Doctor's a Buddhist!

3) Leela's gurning (in several episodes, she sometimes falls for a
backhanded compliment or barbed remark by the Doctor and pulls this
'comedy dupe' face that makes me want to curl up in a ball. Now that
season 16 is all out on video I've confirmed my suspicion that Leela,
although she gets away without much criticism, is actually a useless
companion, embarrassingly acted and absurd in conception. Bring back
Sarah!)

4) Ace and that other chump getting excited about explosives in
'Battlefield' - there are so many awful Ace moments I have to limit
myself to the first one that comes to mind - it's her forced, twee
performance, matched with a BBC writers idea of radical youth
attitude, that sinks her role every time.

5) The concept and visualisation of The Holding Zone in 'The
Happiness Patrol' - jesus, has Dr Who ever felt more like a drama
school improv session for retards? Instead of 'action', the director
probably twittered 'okay everybody, let's all imagine this is a
high-tech but run-down prison enclosure! Suneeta and Sarah, you can be
guards, and Sophie and Sylvester can be the Doctor and the Ace.
Ready?'

Dan Keloid

Tan Coul

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Sep 21, 2002, 7:17:06 PM9/21/02

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:56:23 +0100, Paul Strett
<pau...@ceravox.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>packer19...@hotmail.com (P Packer) in rec.arts.drwho said

>>4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was

>>just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
>>never have been given such an important job. What a fool.
>
>Truly detestable way to treat a once invincible monster. Can you
>imagine The Borg being destroyed by a coin ?

SHABBILY TREATED!!!! WORST THING DONE TO A MONSTER IN HISTORY!!!!
--
Colin B.
"The punkiest monkey that ever popped..."

Tan Coul

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Sep 21, 2002, 8:42:03 PM9/21/02

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On 21 Sep 2002 15:58:40 -0700, antoin...@yahoo.co.uk (Dan Keloid)
wrote:

>3) Leela's gurning (in several episodes, she sometimes falls for a
>backhanded compliment or barbed remark by the Doctor and pulls this
>'comedy dupe' face that makes me want to curl up in a ball. Now that
>season 16 is all out on video I've confirmed my suspicion that Leela,
>although she gets away without much criticism, is actually a useless
>companion, embarrassingly acted and absurd in conception. Bring back
>Sarah!)

You confirmed your suspicion about Leela by watching six stories she
wasn't even in? Now, that's impressive ;-)

Alan S. Wales

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Sep 21, 2002, 10:46:59 PM9/21/02

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>antoin...@yahoo.co.uk (Dan Keloid)

Dan, I get the impression that you are not fond of the McCoy era!

Brad Filippone

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Sep 22, 2002, 12:29:13 AM9/22/02

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On this topic:

A few years back I had an opportunity to speak with David Prowse of Star
Wars fame. I was the only one at the convention who wanted to talk to him
about his Doctor Who appearance in "The Time Monster" as the Minataur.

He said it was the most embarrassing thing he'd ever had to do in his
acting career! Furthermore, he had seen Jon Pertwee interviewed on
television years earlier. Pertwee had been asked what he felt the most
embarrasing moment for him as the Doctor was. Pertwee said something like
"taking off my cape and playing the torreador to Dave Prowse's Minataur!"

Later at the same convention, Prowse was giving a slide show of moments in
his acting career, mostly Star Wars of course, but also his bodybuilding
career and movies like "A Clockwork Orange." Suddenly, a picture of the
Minataur popped up and he asked if anyone recognized it. I said "Doctor
Who." and he proceeded to tell the same story to everyone that he had told
me the day before. I was sitting near the front and I held up a videotape
of "the Time Monster" that I had taped off PBS a few years before and told
him I had it right there. He said, "That's the Time Monster? Burn it!"
Well, he was smiling when he said it :)

After this session with him was over I was approached by a few Star Wars
fans who wanted to see the scene for themselves. We went to one of the
hotel suites and watched it. Not all six episodes, just the Minataur bit.
The general concenses what that it had to be just about the silliest
moment from the entire series!

Brad

Dan Keloid

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Sep 22, 2002, 6:01:11 AM9/22/02

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Tan Coul <joxe...@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<3c4qougeklmug4p74...@4ax.com>...

D'oh!

For some reason I always remember Season 7 is the first Pertwee
without having to check, and then I count through from there. I need
to devise some mnemonics (is that the word? I forget...) for later
stories, it all gets rather exhausting when you need to start at 7 to
check what season Dragonfire appeared in...

Dan Keloid

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Sep 22, 2002, 6:23:14 AM9/22/02

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powr...@aol.compost (Alan S. Wales) wrote in message news:<20020921224659...@mb-fa.aol.com>...

> >antoin...@yahoo.co.uk (Dan Keloid)
>
> >My top five (as painstakingly researched in about 50 seconds)
> >
> >
> >1) The 'possessed' girls in 'Curse of Fenric' (possessed by The Cure
> >maybe). Walking towards the camera waving your fingertips is not
> >allowed if you're meant to be taking things seriously (which for once,
> >this otherwise better than average McCoy story is). The haemovore
> >monsters do it as well. Children take the piss out of horror films by
> >doing that sort of thing, it just won't do.

(snip non-McCoy choices)

> >4) Ace and that other chump getting excited about explosives in
> >'Battlefield' - there are so many awful Ace moments I have to limit
> >myself to the first one that comes to mind - it's her forced, twee
> >performance, matched with a BBC writers idea of radical youth
> >attitude, that sinks her role every time.
> >
> >5) The concept and visualisation of The Holding Zone in 'The
> >Happiness Patrol' - jesus, has Dr Who ever felt more like a drama
> >school improv session for retards? Instead of 'action', the director
> >probably twittered 'okay everybody, let's all imagine this is a
> >high-tech but run-down prison enclosure! Suneeta and Sarah, you can be
> >guards, and Sophie and Sylvester can be the Doctor and the Ace.
> >Ready?'
>
> Dan, I get the impression that you are not fond of the McCoy era!

Aah, you employ the famous British understatement onto me. Yes I see
it and I now respond inside the same British idiom to you my friend,
and with the smiling image too :-) like so.

I slightly, a little, am less than filled with joy at McCoy era. Its
actor I find mildly and unable to be a Doctor, the lady friends of him
are, I sweetly inspect them, probably not fully occupied by brains in
the head of their selves, and the stories are the irritation of trying
to take the biscuit with small body of worms in it. It is nice
biscuit, but the worms I not like so much.

We are clear now, yes? You are related to your Prince Wales? Very
impressive leader man and very tall. Is good to have tall king. The
old queen must go - too short.

Finn Clark

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Sep 22, 2002, 6:27:37 AM9/22/02

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Dan Keloid wrote:

> For some reason I always remember Season 7 is the first
> Pertwee without having to check, and then I count through
> from there. I need to devise some mnemonics (is that the
> word? I forget...) for later stories, it all gets rather exhausting
> when you need to start at 7 to check what season Dragonfire
> appeared in...

I instinctively know which are Seasons 1-7, 10 and 17-26, but have to do a
little counting to work out the others. The awkward ones for me are always
Tom's seasons; what's 13/14/15? Uh, let's do some counting. Knowing
offhand that Tom Baker started in Season 12 would probably help.

I suppose one could short-cut the maths by remembering the lengths of the
various Doctors' tenures.

Hartnell: 1-3
Troughton: 4-6
Pertwee: 7-11
Tom Baker: 12-18
Davison: 19-21
Colin Baker: 22-23
Sylvester McCoy: 24-26

Mnemonics... "Tom Is Twelve". (That's the only number in the teens which
begins with T, not including ten and twenty.) It's easy to remember that
The Three Doctors opens Season 10, so a similar process could help one
remember that The Five Doctors comes after Season 20 and Silver Nemesis is
in Season 25.

One could perhaps remember that Season 16 is the Key to Time season by
remembering that the Key to Time itself was a cube. 16 isn't strictly
speaking a cube, but it's the nearest you'll find in the teens... it's four
squared, or two squared squared. (2 to the 2 to the 2!)

It might also help to remember that there was a cancelled Season 23 (The
Nightmare Fair, Mission to Magnus, The Ultimate Foe, etc.) which would mean
that the *real* Season 23 would thus have to be Trial of a Time Lord.

But personally I find the biggest memory-jogger to be simply knowing that
Season 17 is Douglas Adams, Season 18 is Christopher Bidmead, etc. Maybe
you had to live through them on original transmission... I dunno. It
certainly seems that my instinctive knowledge of the seasons' numbering
starts smartly with the ones I watched (or semi-watched) as a child and
becomes fuzzy immediately before that.

Finn Clark.

M A P P Y

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Sep 22, 2002, 8:48:30 PM9/22/02

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:50:56 GMT, buy...@interlacken.com (Lorrill
Buyens) wrote:

>>>Good choices all, especially the 'rice pudding' one - th a hideous moment
>>>which does hammer the nail into the coffin of what is one of the less
>>>dreadful McCoys. Can't believe that nobody's mentioned the 'If we fight
>>>like animals, we DUUUUUIIIIIIIYYYYYYEEEEE like animals' classic from
>>>Survival. Mind you, fun though the emphasis on McCoy in this thread is, I
>>>think the 'photo-montage' ending to The Chase has to be a contender for the
>>>most embarrassing moment of all time.
>>
>>Give a sixties Who a break, guvnor. :)
>
>I already did. I took The Web Planet, and I broke it inna a million
>little-bitty pieces...

I wouldn't have done that. The Web Planet's papa is a lot bigger than
yours. ;)

MAPPY

Drox

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Sep 23, 2002, 12:53:52 AM9/23/02

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antoin...@yahoo.co.uk (Dan Keloid) wrote :

> My top five (as painstakingly researched in about 50 seconds)

(snip...)

> 2) McGann's Christ pose after he emerges from the morgue in 'That
> Awful Film'. Of all the nerve - the Doctor's a Buddhist!

Yeah, that scene still bugs me too. Especially when he starts yelling
"Who am I". There seems to be no reason to even have these scenes in
there, other than to show off the nice creepy lighting effects.

And speaking of effects, what's the deal with the regeneration
sequence? Since when does the Doctor sprout lightning bolts like
something out of Highlander? I didn't like that either, but it wasn't
exactly embarassing. Just one more thing that got changed for the
movie, seemingly for no other reason than because someone felt like
it.

That having been said, I really do like the TV movie (ducks). It took
a couple of viewings though. The first time I saw it I hated it.
What had they done to my fave show? But it's really not all that
dreadful (ducks again), apart from a few gratuitous scenes like the
ones described above.

And it speaks well of McGann's acting that he could take puke-worthy
material like that and (almost) make it work.

So while I have my complaints about the TV movie, I wouldn't describe
it as embarassing. More like annoying at times but enjoyable overall.

(...snip)

-Drox

Andrew McCaffrey

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Sep 23, 2002, 9:08:18 AM9/23/02

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Drox <dr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> And speaking of effects, what's the deal with the regeneration
> sequence? Since when does the Doctor sprout lightning bolts like
> something out of Highlander? I didn't like that either, but it wasn't
> exactly embarassing. Just one more thing that got changed for the
> movie, seemingly for no other reason than because someone felt like
> it.

Well, when was the regeneration sequence *ever* consistant? Every time we
see an on-screen regeneration, it's handled differently. The first one
causes the whole screen to turn white, the third is just a simple fade
from one actor to the other, the fourth has the Watcher, the fifth has a
weird tunnel effect and the sixth one has rainbow graphics on the actor's
face.

M A P P Y

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Sep 23, 2002, 1:43:56 PM9/23/02

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:08:18 +0000 (UTC), Andrew McCaffrey
<amc...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

>Drox <dr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> And speaking of effects, what's the deal with the regeneration
>> sequence? Since when does the Doctor sprout lightning bolts like
>> something out of Highlander? I didn't like that either, but it wasn't
>> exactly embarassing. Just one more thing that got changed for the
>> movie, seemingly for no other reason than because someone felt like
>> it.
>
>Well, when was the regeneration sequence *ever* consistant? Every time we
>see an on-screen regeneration, it's handled differently. The first one
>causes the whole screen to turn white, the third is just a simple fade
>from one actor to the other, the fourth has the Watcher, the fifth has a
>weird tunnel effect and the sixth one has rainbow graphics on the actor's
>face.

Well, that's the problem with shopping around.... Hiring different
dodgy special effects companies to handle your regenerations might be
good if you get a cheap deal, but it makes your regenerations look
like a dog's breakfast. But then, the Doctor always did things on the
cheap. :)

MAPPY

Robert Smith?

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Sep 24, 2002, 11:42:04 AM9/24/02

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In article <3d8e64ab...@news.internode.on.net>,

Yeah, but my Zarbi's pupae can beat up yours any day!

- Robert Smith?

Dan Keloid

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Sep 25, 2002, 4:21:01 AM9/25/02

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"Finn Clark" <kafe...@blewbury99.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<amk5re$a12$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...

> Mnemonics... "Tom Is Twelve"

> One could perhaps remember that Season 16 is the Key to Time season by
> remembering that the Key to Time itself was a cube. 16 isn't strictly
> speaking a cube, but it's the nearest you'll find in the teens... it's four
> squared, or two squared squared. (2 to the 2 to the 2!)

> It might also help to remember that there was a cancelled Season 23 (The
> Nightmare Fair, Mission to Magnus, The Ultimate Foe, etc.) which would mean
> that the *real* Season 23 would thus have to be Trial of a Time Lord.

Thank-you Finn, all three of these work for me! Tom is 12 sounds spot
on, in more ways than one. Despite the fact that we go a bit awry on
the 16 explanation, it was still lodged in my memory this morning, so
sod the maths - it's a success! 23 is a number that William Burroughs
and Bryon Gysin claimed had occult significance, often of a malevolent
and unlucky nature (occurring a lot during accidents, disasters etc)
which makes it the ideal number for both the cancelled Season 23 and
the eventual Trial of a Time Lord !

P Packer

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Sep 19, 2002, 2:38:00 AM9/19/02

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1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.

2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.

3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.

4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was

just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
never have been given such an important job. What a fool.

5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the

Windbag1000

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Sep 19, 2002, 3:27:51 AM9/19/02

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>1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
>is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>

I agree with the other four but I'd replace this one with the cliffhanger from
Dragonfire where McCoy steps onto a ledge and looks stupid hanging from an
umbrella for no reason. There is no redeeming value in that moment unless you
find making audiences cringe a virtue.

Steve Day

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Sep 19, 2002, 8:48:57 AM9/19/02

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On 18 Sep 2002 23:38:00 -0700, packer19...@hotmail.com (P Packer)

wrote:

LOL!

David A McIntee

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Sep 19, 2002, 10:29:13 AM9/19/02

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>
> >1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> >is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.

No, the worst bit is when he wakes up and sees the Rani "Who am I? And who
are you? The Rani!" <falls over>

> >2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> >billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.

No, any scene with Briers after he gets possessed.

Oh hell, any scene with Briers. Pity really, Clive Merrison as the Deputy
Chief is great. (The only good one in the cast...)

> >3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:

The story was doing well until that point, then comes the utter stupidity of
that line

> >4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
> >just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
> >never have been given such an important job. What a fool.

I remember thinking "great" when the Cybes were resistant to Nazi bullets.
That feeling, of course, didn't last long...

> >5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
> >scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
> >badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.

The "booooooooooooom" scene is far worse. And Mordred's rubber breastplate.

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JerryD

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Sep 19, 2002, 10:39:22 AM9/19/02

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David A McIntee wrote:
>
> >
> > >1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> > >is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>
> No, the worst bit is when he wakes up and sees the Rani "Who am I? And who
> are you? The Rani!" <falls over>

BWa-Ha! I'd forgotten about that bit, or blocked it from my memory, or
something.....

Steve Day

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Sep 19, 2002, 12:19:56 PM9/19/02

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:29:13 +0000 (UTC), "David A McIntee"
<david....@btopenBUTCLOSEDTOSPAMworld.com> wrote:

>> >3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
>
>The story was doing well until that point, then comes the utter stupidity of
>that line

No doubt Blum will see the 'art and the irreverance' of that line that
makes McCoy so much better than 'that twat with the curly hair in the
70s.'

The Eggman

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Sep 19, 2002, 11:58:33 AM9/19/02

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"David A McIntee" <david....@btopenBUTCLOSEDTOSPAMworld.com> wrote in
message news:amcmvp$5lv$1...@helle.btinternet.com...

> >
> > >1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> > >is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
>
> No, the worst bit is when he wakes up and sees the Rani "Who am I? And who
> are you? The Rani!" <falls over>
>
> > >2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> > >billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
>
> No, any scene with Briers after he gets possessed.
>
> Oh hell, any scene with Briers. Pity really, Clive Merrison as the Deputy
> Chief is great. (The only good one in the cast...)
>
> > >3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
>
> The story was doing well until that point, then comes the utter stupidity
of
> that line
>
> > >4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
> > >just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
> > >never have been given such an important job. What a fool.
>
> I remember thinking "great" when the Cybes were resistant to Nazi bullets.
> That feeling, of course, didn't last long...
>
> > >5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
> > >scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
> > >badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.
>
> The "booooooooooooom" scene is far worse. And Mordred's rubber
breastplate.
>

Lee Makel's Eyelid

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Sep 19, 2002, 1:09:13 PM9/19/02

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"P Packer" <packer19...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

I considered saying "Hmm, they're all from 1987-89, what a surprise", but
that would make me look a tit. So I won't.

> 1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.

Criticising "Time And The Rani" is like breathing in and out.

>
> 2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.

He's being strangled! He's trying to look like he's being strangled! I
daresay you'd look ridiculous if you were trying to look like you were being
strangled, also! What do you want, for McCoy to bleed in a pint glass and
serve it to you? Would that help?

> 3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
> dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
> JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.

Davros always was OTT, and McCoy is mocking Davros. 2+2=4. It's. Supposed.
To. Be. OTT.

> 4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was

> just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
> never have been given such an important job. What a fool.

Poor chap shows promise, to be fair, but it should have gone to someone
else. No, actually, they should have just replaced it with something
entirely different and made Remembrance the aniversary episode.

> 5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
> scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
> badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.

I don't know which scene you're on about. Unless you mean that quite good
one in the tent at the end, where Morgaine's just launched the missiles.

Lee Makel's Eyelid

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Sep 19, 2002, 4:43:01 PM9/19/02

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Kris Wood wrote:
>
> "Lee Makel's Eyelid" <ban...@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:3d8a0...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >
> > "P Packer" <packer19...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I considered saying "Hmm, they're all from 1987-89, what a surprise", but
> > that would make me look a tit. So I won't.
> >
> > > 1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
> > > is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.
> >
> > Criticising "Time And The Rani" is like breathing in and out.
> >
> > >
> > > 2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
> > > billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.
> >
> > He's being strangled! He's trying to look like he's being strangled! I
> > daresay you'd look ridiculous if you were trying to look like you were
> being
> > strangled, also! What do you want, for McCoy to bleed in a pint glass and
> > serve it to you? Would that help?
>
> And it's completely worse than that brilliant scene where Pertwee gets
> strangled by the Nestene and brilliantly pulls a billion stupid, facily
> pantomine faces.
>

Hey, I LIKE the Nestene...and I'm a fan of ridiculous faces. :)
actually, the moment that Packer mentioned here is one of the few bits
of PARADISE TOWERS I can watch without getting annoyed.
more footage of Doctors being strangled, I say!

The Cannnibal Flower

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Sep 19, 2002, 6:29:06 PM9/19/02

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On 18 Sep 2002 23:38:00 -0700, packer19...@hotmail.com (P Packer)

verbalised:

>1. "Time and the Rani" - the giant plastic brain (absymal in itself)
>is corrected by the so-called "Dark Knight Doctor". Ineffably crass.

the Rani as Mel sequences are far worse

>2. "Paradise Towers" - the end of episode three when McCrap pulls a
>billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces.

As opposed to the end of every trial episode when Baker pulls a
billion stupid, facile, jokey, pantomime faces? No there are far worse
things in the story Briars being the obvious choice.

>
>3. "Remembrance of the Daleks" - the "rice pudding" sequence:
>dreadful, terrible OTT acting by McShit and Roy Tremelly. I expect
>JNT gave them a bonus. A real lowpoint.

no chance, replace with the Dragonfire cliffhanger

>
>4. "Silly Nemesis" - the destruction of the Cybermen by gold coins was
>just amazingly bad. Showed completely that Kevin "Ego" Clarke should
>never have been given such an important job. What a fool.

yes.

>
>5. "Battlefield" - the entire story was simply awful, perhaps the
>scene when McCrap confronts Jean Marsh's shallow, one dimensional and
>badly acted sequence was the worst and most embarrassing.

replace with "If we fight like Animals ...."

that concludes the McCrap top 5, for the other 6:

Hartnells:

The Chase could fill up a top 20 all by itself.

Troughton: (so little exists, only 1 comes to mind)
1) The OTT accents in The Space Pirates

Pratwee

Pertwee`s Gurning in Terror of the Autons
Pertwee`s disappearing computer tapes in Ambassadors
Chin in Claws
The oh so honest preachy anti war message of Planet of the Daleks
Pertwee singing to Ageddor in either story

Tom Baker:

The action man tank in Robot
You didn`t think to look under that eye patch for *how* many years?
The Rat.
Leela falling in love and deciding to live with Andred in 37.27
minutes in IoT
The realization that the Formasi were supposed to fit in a human skin

Davison:

Davison trying to do his Tom Baker impression in Castrovalva
The never ending dances in 42D
The crap CSO in TimeFlight
The Ergon
Sir Giles Estram? fanwank of the highest degree

Colin Baker:

The Twins.
The Living trees (not the idea, the execution)
The Timelash itself
HG Well`s acting
Mel.

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You pit you puny will against mine?
In my presence you are an ant, a termite.
Abase yourself you groveling insect!

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The Cannnibal Flower wrote:

> that concludes the McCrap top 5, for the other 6:
>

> Pratwee
>
> Pertwee`s Gurning in Terror of the Autons
> Pertwee`s disappearing computer tapes in Ambassadors
> Chin in Claws
> The oh so honest preachy anti war message of Planet of the Daleks
> Pertwee singing to Ageddor in either story
>

My favorite embarrassing Pertwee moment is the first effects shot of the
dinosaurs in Invasion of the Dinosaurs. The first time I saw it I had to
stop the tape and compose myself because it was so laughably ridiculous
looking. That said, it's not a bad story at all, one of my favorite later
Pertwees, proving, once again, the show was never about the special
effects.

Matt

TB

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Dec 21, 2015, 12:38:35 AM12/21/15

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Time of the Doctor: The 11th Doctor is naked, and visiting with Clara's family!

TB

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Dec 21, 2015, 12:41:39 AM12/21/15

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The leader of France who was so bad that many people preferred Hitler to him?

The Last Doctor

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Dec 21, 2015, 1:39:49 AM12/21/15

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The OP (thirteen years ago, and before the revival of the show) was
referring to embarrassing moments for the show, not for the Doctor
himself. NOTHING in the modern show, not even the Slitheen, the wheely
bin, or the Absorbalof, has been as poor as aspects of the McCoy era. I
don't think "Battlefield" for example, was as bad as either the
"umbrella cliffhanger" from "Dragonfire" or the existence of Bertie
Bassett (aka "the Kandyman") in "The Happiness Patrol".

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stupidification of religious belief. - Dave "Yads" Yadallee

would never admit this.

The Doctor

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Dec 21, 2015, 9:55:50 AM12/21/15

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The McCoy Era suffered from Jonathan Powell!!

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TB

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Feb 6, 2016, 11:44:02 AM2/6/16

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Blink: Kathy Nightengale sees her naked brother Lawrence.

TB

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Age of Steel: Mickey sees Rose and the Doctor hugging, and concludes that love is in the air.

Daniel47

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Feb 7, 2016, 6:29:11 AM2/7/16

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On 7/02/2016 3:45 AM, TB wrote:
> Age of Steel: Mickey sees Rose and the Doctor hugging, and concludes
> that love is in the air.

And this storyline has to do with "Age" and/or "Steel" how??

Daniel

TB

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Mickey seeing Rose in the arms of the Doctor helps him decide to stay on Parallel Earth.

Lumic referred to the introduction of the Cybermen as "The Age of Steel".

The Doctor

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Feb 7, 2016, 5:13:17 PM2/7/16

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In article <22779bfb-57e6-41cf...@googlegroups.com>,

Lumic is nuts!

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Broadcasting the truth for 25 years

Timothy Bruening

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The Husbands of River Song Spoilers:

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I bet that River Song felt embarrassed when she realized that the old man she had been running around with as she battled the insane cyborg king, stole his head, stole the TARDIS, and proclaimed that the Doctor would never show up, WAS the Doctor!

The Doctor

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Jun 11, 2016, 10:35:28 AM6/11/16

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In article <afd956a0-8c66-4f9f...@googlegroups.com>,

River is a bit egotistical.

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In article <8945c61d-e54d-43d9...@googlegroups.com>,

tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 2:14:03 PM UTC-8, netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> In article <ad9dfef6-de62-4036...@googlegroups.com>,
>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 5:37:53 AM UTC-8, netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> In article <7439d791-22eb-4900...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >From what The True Doctor and The Doctor have been saying about the
>> >> >Timeless Child Era, I surmise that they consider that era very
>> >> >embarrassing!
>> >> Correct! Top 5? Try top 100 !!
>> >
>> >Can you list specific scenes?
>> You want me to list every Timeless Child scene?
>
>Just the most embarrassing ones.

Every secon of the Timessless Child is an embarassment!