Re: Dr Who - regeneration (not really a spoiler, but you might want to avoid if you haven't watched yet)
Soze
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> Too. Fucking. Much.
>
> Amirite?
Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were going to
let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the final 20 minutes to
the rest...much of the episode was a bit too slapsticky for my liking.
Although I did really enjoy the Tennant / Cribbens scenes again.
The Doctor
Soze <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"A Single Locust" <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Amirite?
>
>Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were going to
>let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the final 20 minutes to
>the rest...much of the episode was a bit too slapsticky for my liking.
>Although I did really enjoy the Tennant / Cribbens scenes again.
>
>
>
I am forwarned.
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> Too. Fucking. Much.
>
> Amirite?
The title of this thread is misleading. It should of course read:
Dr Who - you might want to avoid it if you haven't watched yet.
Phil
A. J. Moss
> Too. Fucking. Much.
>
> Amirite?
I approve. Regenerating the franchise by telling RTD to sling his hook
is long overdue.
His ubiquitous overlaid narrative of "zomg armageddon" does absolutely
nothing to mask his shameful absence of storytelling. He should have
been locked in a small room until he promised to steal some ideas from
H. P. Lovecraft.
Shaun
<loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>Too. Fucking. Much.
>
>Amirite?
Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
action is more important than an actual plot.
Shaun
<loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>You know, that scene could've been so much worse...
>
>"I've got about ten minutes left before I regenerate, Jack..."
>
><Jack takes his hand and leads him off into the gents' toilets>
At least RTD avoided the temptation to write another script where
destroying a machine returned everything back to normal.
Schrodinger
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If he was interested in forwarding the gay agenda he would have a gay
character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
minutes and make smutty gay remarks at every opportunity. What RTD does is
about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to stir
up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
Other than that, not a bad episode I thought.
Sweet Zombie Jeebus
Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was
over the hour mark - grow up.
Shaun
Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
Shaun
RTD is one of those homosexuals who hate being accepted as they
secretly love victim status. You know, the ones who say they are gay
within 30 seconds of meeting someone hoping to be offended by their
reaction.
pbo...@aol.com
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:33:01 GMT, shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com
>
> "I've got about ten minutes left before I regenerate, Jack..."
>
> <Jack takes his hand and leads him off into the gents' toilets>
They did that bit offscreen...
Phil
Ian F.
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> Other than that, not a bad episode I thought.
I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by everyone
concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places, intensely
moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
Loved the last 15 minutes too - very quirky and funny - and the regeneration
was great, with an excellent cameo from Matt Smith.
That plus Gavin and Stacey and QI made for an excellent evening on BBC1. And
still got the Are You Being Served stuff to watch tomorrow.
Ian
Ian F.
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> Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was over
> the hour mark - grow up.
I'm afraid they never will grow up - and you're wasting your time trying to
get them to. *sigh*
Ian
Martin Jay
<wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by everyone
>concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places, intensely
>moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
>
>Loved the last 15 minutes too - very quirky and funny - and the regeneration
>was great, with an excellent cameo from Matt Smith.
Yep, I enjoyed it lots. I thought the Christmas day episode was a bit
drab, but today's episode was outstanding.
Must admit I would have liked to have seen more of Catherine Tate. The
series with her and David Tennant has been my favourite so far,
although I know many will disagree with that.
--
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The Doctor
Shaun <shaun.ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:49 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
><e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Shaun wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>>
>>>> Amirite?
>>>
>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>
>>
>
>Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
>reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
Give it a break!!
The Doctor
Shaun <shaun.ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:15:46 -0000, "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Shaun" <shaun.ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:4b3e65e5...@news.virginmedia.com...
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Amirite?
>>>
>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>
>>
>>If he was interested in forwarding the gay agenda he would have a gay
>>character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
>>minutes and make smutty gay remarks at every opportunity. What RTD does is
>>about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to stir
>>up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
>>
>RTD is one of those homosexuals who hate being accepted as they
>secretly love victim status. You know, the ones who say they are gay
>within 30 seconds of meeting someone hoping to be offended by their
>reaction.
Such are homosexuals.
The Doctor
The Doctor
The Doctor
xd18911
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> In article <7q76ed...@mid.individual.net>,
> Soze <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>"A Single Locust" <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
>>news:oinsj51ns70r4lori...@4ax.com...
>>> Too. Much.
>>>
>>> Amirite?
>>
>>Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
>>going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the
>>final 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too
>>slapsticky for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant /
>>Cribbens scenes again.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I am forwarned.
The best acting I've ever seen Cribbens do, it was rather poignant
xd18911
> In article <682.1262391...@spam-free.org.uk>,
> Martin Jay <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote:
>>On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:36:43 -0000, "Ian F."
>><wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by
>>>everyone concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places,
>>>intensely moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
>>>
>>>Loved the last 15 minutes too - very quirky and funny - and the
>>>regeneration was great, with an excellent cameo from Matt Smith.
>>
>>Yep, I enjoyed it lots. I thought the Christmas day episode was a bit
>>drab, but today's episode was outstanding.
>>
>>Must admit I would have liked to have seen more of Catherine Tate. The
>>series with her and David Tennant has been my favourite so far,
>>although I know many will disagree with that.
>>--
>>Martin Jay
>>Back the Ban: <http://www.backtheban.com/>
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>
> I won't disagree!
Looks like he'll be a bit tasty with the ole fisticuffs, I foresee he'll
be excellent
The Doctor
The Doctor
osc
> "A Single Locust" <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
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>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>
>> Amirite?
>
> Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
> going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the final
> 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too slapsticky
> for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant / Cribbens scenes
> again.
Highlights:
Tennant/Cribbins scenes... they were really rather touching.
Timothy Dalton chewing scenery
Lowlights:
Hopelessly confused mess of a story.
The Doctor sending the Time Lords back to hell - with a description of
stuff like "the nightmare child"... all very intriguing, but they seemed
to have come from a large dark "Phantom Menace"-style meeting hall and
were bored to tears... not condemned to a vicious, maddening hell of
endless war.
The Doctor fixing everything by shooting one bullet at a machine - and
Dalton conveniently fixing everyone on Earth.
The Doctor's death by sacrifice... the only logic in how that happened is
that the writer wanted to have him die slowly and "do the rounds", but
couldn't be arsed thinking up a better plot for it. I know there's an
element of "don't look to close, just enjoy the story", but ffs, can't we
have a little effort.
AlanSailsbury
Oh fuck off and watch programmes you DO like then.
AlanSailsbury
> "Shaun" <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
And RTD also knows it'll annoy the knobheads in fandom, as evidenced
on this very group.
AlanSailsbury
>
> RTD is one of those homosexuals who hate being accepted as they
> secretly love victim status. You know, the ones who say they are gay
> within 30 seconds of meeting someone hoping to be offended by their
> reaction.
Get over him. He doesn't fancy you.
AlanSailsbury
> "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote in message
>
> news:suu%m.10613$qq6...@newsfe08.ams2...
>
> > Other than that, not a bad episode I thought.
>
> I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by everyone
> concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places, intensely
> moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
>
> Loved the last 15 minutes too - very quirky and funny - and the regeneration
> was great, with an excellent cameo from Matt Smith.
> Ian
Good to see someone showing common sense and judging it for what it
was, rather than what it wasn't.
AlanSailsbury
> In article <4b3e7d1b.1333...@news.virginmedia.com>,
>
>
>
> Shaun <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:15:46 -0000, "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Shaun" <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4b3e65e5...@news.virginmedia.com...
> >>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
> >>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>>>Amirite?
>
> >>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
> >>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>
> >>If he was interested in forwarding the gay agenda he would have a gay
> >>character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
> >>minutes and make smutty gay remarks at every opportunity. What RTD does is
> >>about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to stir
> >>up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
>
> >secretly love victim status. You know, the ones who say they are gay
> >within 30 seconds of meeting someone hoping to be offended by their
> >reaction.
>
> --
Says women-groper Yads.
Monsieur Tabernac
wrote:
I might have found it a bit more believable if the "regeneration
effect" didn't kick in right after his exposure to the radiation. I
think it's plausible that he could have been dying a rather slow death
from radiation sickness and that he only had a couple of weeks left
until he would regeneration. Having Tennant immediately heal his
wounds made it a bit much for me. I know it wouldn't have been
pretty, but it would have made more sense for the "regeneration
healing effect" NOT to have kicked in, and the Doctor would have been
visibly deteriorating as he progressed through his visits to his past
companions, culminating in a husk of a man barely standing during his
conversation with Rose.
I guess they didn't want Tennant to go out looking like he was at
death's door.
Ian F.
news:9f2faaa6-a319-4160...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> And RTD also knows it'll annoy the knobheads in fandom, as evidenced
> on this very group.
That's what I find great fun about RTD - pissing off people who don't
possess even an ounce of his talent!
Ian
A. J. Moss
> A. J. Moss wrote:
>> I approve. Regenerating the franchise by telling RTD to sling
>> his hook is long overdue.
>>
>> His ubiquitous overlaid narrative of "zomg armageddon" does
>> absolutely nothing to mask his shameful absence of storytelling.
>> He should have been locked in a small room until he promised
>> to steal some ideas from H. P. Lovecraft.
>
> Oh fuck off and watch programmes you DO like then.
Thank you for at least making it apparent that you don't have
the first idea what you're talking about, and can't be bothered
to look it up either.
Lovecraft authored the body of literature described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovecraft_Mythos
^ Common themes in Lovecraft's fiction are the insignificance
^ of humanity in the universe and the search for knowledge
^ ending in disaster. Humans are often subject to powerful
^ beings and other cosmic forces, but these forces are not
^ so much malevolent as they are indifferent toward humanity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_Cthulhu
^^ The narrator pieces together the whole truth and disturbing
^^ significance of the information he possesses, illustrating
^^ the story's first line:
^^
^^ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the
^^ inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.
^^ We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of
^^ black seas of infinity; and it was not meant that we
^^ should voyage far."
This has even more potential in the context of Doctor Who,
who's spent so much time around humans that he more or less
*is* one, but just happens to be practically omniscient.
It's no battle between interplanetary armies. It's more
like quicksand: to win, don't wander in in the first place.
All very well, but RTD specifically *did* orchestrate last
night's Doctor Who around a big battle, and a big battle
there shall be.
My point is, Lovecraft's demons don't go crashing around
with a full BBC orchestra and the Millwall male voice choir
chanting their every move. Star Trek episodes work just as
well if the deus ex machina is unnamed and the technobabble
printer remains on standby.
RTD seems to equate suspense with sound volume; if anything,
this is counterproductive. E-war Woo-war could sound deeply
menacing by spitting out consonants with a malevolent air.
That would never work if he shouted.
The last few seconds of Blink (Doctor Who episode from 2006)
showed an army of church gargoyles, not flapping around like
extras from the arcade game Galaga; just sitting there...
Waiting...
Enzo Matrix
> In article <Xns9CF41166...@69.16.176.253>,
> xd18911 <my_e...@somewhere.co.uk> wrote:
>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>> news:hhlof3$12j$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>
>>> In article <7q76ed...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Soze <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "A Single Locust" <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:oinsj51ns70r4lori...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Too. Much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amirite?
>>>>
>>>> Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
>>>> going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the
>>>> final 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too
>>>> slapsticky for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant /
>>>> Cribbens scenes again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am forwarned.
>>
>> The best acting I've ever seen Cribbens do, it was rather poignant
>
> Still I am forewarned.
To be forewarned is to have four arms.
--
Enzo
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
pbo...@aol.com
wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 03:30:05 +0000 (UTC), osc <osc310...@gmail.com>
That would work better if (a) Eccleston hadn't done the same thing and
had to regenerate immediately, and (b)
Having Tennant immediately heal his
> wounds made it a bit much for me.
Exactly.
Phil
Col
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> "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Other than that, not a bad episode I thought.
>
> I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by everyone
> concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places, intensely
> moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
>
I thought it was utterly dreadful.
Oh look we're in a bit of trouble, let's just teleport
ourselves outta here to a spaceship in orbit.
And we'll throw a diamond across millions of light years
so it can be found easily and then we'll have a spaceship
that is supposed to be dead, but hey presto, oh no it isn't!
I know, this is science fiction and indeed sci-fi that
shouldn't be taken too seriously but really, that is just
piss-poor lazy writing. Suspension of disbelief yes,
but even within that there has to some kind of a
framework to make events flow in a manner to
make that 'suspension of disbelief' actually stick.
If you are just teleporting yourselves out of trouble and
magically making dead spaceships work again, then you
might as well claim 'a wizard did it'.
And when it wasn't being completely crap sci-fi it
was being over the top bollox.
Since when was there such a song and dance made
out of regeneration?
"I'm *still* not ginger" that did make me laugh though!
--
Col
And all the stars that never were
Are parking cars and pumping gas.
Stephen Wilson
"Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Since when was there such a song and dance made
> out of regeneration?
Quite frequently. Previously, entire stories were given over to it.
Post-regeneration trauma, whatever...
> "I'm *still* not ginger" that did make me laugh though!
There is the idea that a future Doctor is meant to have ginger hair. I think
it was referred to in the novelisation of Battlefield (he's the one that
becomes Merlin).
pbo...@aol.com
> In uk.media.tv.misc osc <osc310...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Doctor sending the Time Lords back to hell [...]
>
> Wasn't it actually the Master who did that?
>
> > The Doctor fixing everything by shooting one bullet at a machine - and
> > Dalton conveniently fixing everyone on Earth.
>
> powers should all apparently be vulnerable to a bullet fired from a WW2
> pistol.
You saw what it did to the machine - it's a Magic High Explosive
Incendiary Bullet.
Phil
pbo...@aol.com
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> "Col" <reddwar...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
It's actually a reference to Christmas Invasion, when Tennant said
he'd always wanted to be ginger.
I liked the "oh no, I'm a girl!" bit - though it would have been
funnier if Smith's hair wasn't much the same length as Tennant's...
Phil
Col
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>
> "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Since when was there such a song and dance made
>> out of regeneration?
>
> Quite frequently. Previously, entire stories were given over to it.
> Post-regeneration trauma, whatever...
I was talking about the pyrotechnic-style special effects
which I felt were uneccessary.
I remember when Tom Baker regenerated into Peter Davison
and he just lay on the ground and his face gradually changed.
It was actually quite a sombre moment, no silly fireworks going
off inside the the Tardis for no apparent reason required there.
DVDfever
> Highlights:
>
> Timothy Dalton chewing scenery
But sort out your yellow teeth, Dalton! And stop spitting when in
close-up!
> Lowlights:
>
> Hopelessly confused mess of a story.
>
> The Doctor sending the Time Lords back to hell - with a description of
> stuff like "the nightmare child"... all very intriguing, but they seemed
> to have come from a large dark "Phantom Menace"-style meeting hall and
> were bored to tears... not condemned to a vicious, maddening hell of
> endless war.
Sounded like some interesting ideas for Moffat there, which I thought
he'd put in... but then Tennant blew them away.
Also, the change part of the regeneration was too quick. I remember
Tennant's hair sprouting in clumps but Smith just *appeared*.
I think Smith will suit the role, but alas it looks like that bloody
Victorian outfit really is his new style :(
Shaun
wrote:
You forgot about the Wombles
Shaun
Why pick on the under fours ?
Jerry Brown
(Shaun) wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
><loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>
>>Too. Fucking. Much.
>>
>>Amirite?
>
>Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>action is more important than an actual plot.
I was looking at the comments on imdb, and one person has managed to
misinterpret this scene as the Doctor suggesting that Jack recruit
Tovey into Torchwood.
Then I thought a bit more, and realised that the two situations are
most likely synonymous after all.
Jerry Brown
--
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Shaun
<alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 10:15=A0pm, "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote:
>> "Shaun" <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4b3e65e5...@news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>> > On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>> > <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Too. Fucking. Much.
>>
>> >>Amirite?
>>
>> > Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>> > action is more important than an actual plot.
>>
>> If he was interested in forwarding the gay agenda he would have a gay
>> character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
>> minutes and make smutty gay remarks at every opportunity. =A0What RTD doe=
>s is
>> about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to s=
>tir
>> up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
>
>And RTD also knows it'll annoy the knobheads in fandom, as evidenced
>on this very group.
>
This is called "treating the audience with contempt". Although he's
quite cable of doing this with his plots.
Shaun
<alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Pity
In a bizzare coincidence RTDs choice of replacement Doctor was his
boyfriend.
Schrodinger
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Both myself and the kids thought the trailers looked more like kid's shows,
but then again I never like it when they replace actors so only time will
tell.
Schrodinger
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Ah. Well, I guess that is fair enough then. Looking at it from that
perspective it's quite funny really.
middl...@googlemail.com
wrote:
>"Ian F." <wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote in message
>> news:suu%m.10613$qq6...@newsfe08.ams2...
>>
>>> Other than that, not a bad episode I thought.
>>
>> I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by everyone
>> concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places, intensely
>> moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
>>
>
>I thought it was utterly dreadful.
>
>Oh look we're in a bit of trouble, let's just teleport
>ourselves outta here to a spaceship in orbit.
>And we'll throw a diamond across millions of light years
>so it can be found easily and then we'll have a spaceship
>that is supposed to be dead, but hey presto, oh no it isn't!
>
>I know, this is science fiction and indeed sci-fi that
>shouldn't be taken too seriously but really, that is just
>piss-poor lazy writing. Suspension of disbelief yes,
>but even within that there has to some kind of a
>framework to make events flow in a manner to
>make that 'suspension of disbelief' actually stick.
>
>If you are just teleporting yourselves out of trouble and
>magically making dead spaceships work again, then you
>might as well claim 'a wizard did it'.
I don't know what you mean, Col. This was masterful storytelling. It
must have been. After all, it came from the pen of RTD, the saviour
of Doctor Who, so how could it be anything else?
Plot doesn't matter. Just drown everything in loud music, shouting,
running and plenty of pyrotechnics and you're good to go.
>And when it wasn't being completely crap sci-fi it
>was being over the top bollox.
>Since when was there such a song and dance made
>out of regeneration?
Indeed. Since when did regeneration cause the TARDIS to catch fire
and start to collapse? Waaaay over the top.
>"I'm *still* not ginger" that did make me laugh though!
I laughed at "Worst. Escape. Ever!" and a few other bits. The
exchanges between The Doctor and Wilfred were quite poignant and well
written. The rest was just the usual plot-lite pantomime that seems
to pass for "excellent television" these days.
Roll on Spring, and Mr Moffat at the helm. Under him I think the show
has incredible potential.
The Doctor
>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:06:24 +0000, Soze wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Amirite?
>>
>> Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
>> going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the final
>> 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too slapsticky
>> for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant / Cribbens scenes
>> again.
>
>
>Tennant/Cribbins scenes... they were really rather touching.
>
>Timothy Dalton chewing scenery
>
>
>
>Hopelessly confused mess of a story.
>
>The Doctor sending the Time Lords back to hell - with a description of
>stuff like "the nightmare child"... all very intriguing, but they seemed
>to have come from a large dark "Phantom Menace"-style meeting hall and
>were bored to tears... not condemned to a vicious, maddening hell of
>endless war.
>
>Dalton conveniently fixing everyone on Earth.
>
>that the writer wanted to have him die slowly and "do the rounds", but
>couldn't be arsed thinking up a better plot for it. I know there's an
>element of "don't look to close, just enjoy the story", but ffs, can't we
>have a little effort.
Sounds like trademark RTD.
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The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 9:32=A0pm, "A. J. Moss" <ajmo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> A Single Locust wrote:
>> > Too. Much.
>>
>> > Amirite?
>>
>> I approve. Regenerating the franchise by telling RTD to sling his hook
>> is long overdue.
>>
>> His ubiquitous overlaid narrative of "zomg armageddon" does absolutely
>> nothing to mask his shameful absence of storytelling. He should have
>> been locked in a small room until he promised to steal some ideas from
>> H. P. Lovecraft.
>
TRoll off TRollsbury.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 10:15=A0pm, "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote:
>> "Shaun" <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4b3e65e5...@news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>> > <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Too. Much.
>>
>> >>Amirite?
>>
>> > Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>> > action is more important than an actual plot.
>>
>> If he was interested in forwarding the gay agenda he would have a gay
>> character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
>s is
>> about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to s=
>tir
>> up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
>
>And RTD also knows it'll annoy the knobheads in fandom, as evidenced
>on this very group.
>
>
TRollsbury trolls again.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 11:04=A0pm, shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com (Shaun) wrote:
>
>>
>> RTD is one of those homosexuals who hate being accepted as they
>> secretly love victim status. You know, the ones who say they are gay
>> within 30 seconds of meeting someone hoping to be offended by their
>> reaction.
>
>Get over him. He doesn't fancy you.
>
TRollsbury trolls for flames.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 1, 11:36=A0pm, "Ian F." <wowfabgro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:suu%m.10613$qq6...@newsfe08.ams2...
>>
>> > Other than that, not a bad episode I thought.
>>
>> I loved it. Great action, terrific story, superb performances by everyone
>> concerned especially Tennant and John Simm. And, in places, intensely
>> moving - I'm not ashamed to say I shed a tear or two.
>>
>ion
>> was great, with an excellent cameo from Matt Smith.
>
>
>Good to see someone showing common sense and judging it for what it
>was, rather than what it wasn't.
>
>
>
You common sense? LOL! Trolls like Trollsbury are
DEVOID of common sense.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 12:53=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <4b3e7d1b.1333...@news.virginmedia.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> Shaun <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:15:46 -0000, "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>"Shaun" <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:4b3e65e5...@news.virginmedia.com...
>> >>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>> >>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>>>Amirite?
>>
>> >>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>> >>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>
>> >>If he was interested in forwarding the gay agenda he would have a gay
>> >>character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
>oes is
>> >>about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to=
> stir
>> >>up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
>>
>> >secretly love victim status. You know, the ones who say they are gay
>> >within 30 seconds of meeting someone hoping to be offended by their
>> >reaction.
>>
>> --
>
>Says women-groper Yads.
>
Says trolling sociopathic liar Trollsbury.
The Doctor
Monsieur Tabernac <mtab...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 03:30:05 +0000 (UTC), osc <osc3...@gmail.com>
>effect" didn't kick in right after his exposure to the radiation. I
>think it's plausible that he could have been dying a rather slow death
>from radiation sickness and that he only had a couple of weeks left
>wounds made it a bit much for me. I know it wouldn't have been
>pretty, but it would have made more sense for the "regeneration
>healing effect" NOT to have kicked in, and the Doctor would have been
>visibly deteriorating as he progressed through his visits to his past
>companions, culminating in a husk of a man barely standing during his
>conversation with Rose.
>
>I guess they didn't want Tennant to go out looking like he was at
>death's door.
I await the Space premier of the Tennant last Hoorah!
The Doctor
A. J. Moss <ajm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>AlanSailsbury wrote:
>> A. J. Moss wrote:
>>> I approve. Regenerating the franchise by telling RTD to sling
>>> his hook is long overdue.
>>>
>>> His ubiquitous overlaid narrative of "zomg armageddon" does
>>> absolutely nothing to mask his shameful absence of storytelling.
>>> He should have been locked in a small room until he promised
>>> to steal some ideas from H. P. Lovecraft.
>>
>
>Thank you for at least making it apparent that you don't have
>the first idea what you're talking about, and can't be bothered
>to look it up either.
>
>Lovecraft authored the body of literature described here:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovecraft_Mythos
>
>^ Common themes in Lovecraft's fiction are the insignificance
>^ of humanity in the universe and the search for knowledge
>^ ending in disaster. Humans are often subject to powerful
>^ beings and other cosmic forces, but these forces are not
>^ so much malevolent as they are indifferent toward humanity.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_Cthulhu
>
>^^ The narrator pieces together the whole truth and disturbing
>^^ significance of the information he possesses, illustrating
>^^ the story's first line:
>^^
>^^ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the
>^^ inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.
>^^ We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of
>^^ black seas of infinity; and it was not meant that we
>^^ should voyage far."
>
>This has even more potential in the context of Doctor Who,
>who's spent so much time around humans that he more or less
>*is* one, but just happens to be practically omniscient.
>
>It's no battle between interplanetary armies. It's more
>like quicksand: to win, don't wander in in the first place.
>All very well, but RTD specifically *did* orchestrate last
>night's Doctor Who around a big battle, and a big battle
>there shall be.
>
>My point is, Lovecraft's demons don't go crashing around
>with a full BBC orchestra and the Millwall male voice choir
>chanting their every move. Star Trek episodes work just as
>well if the deus ex machina is unnamed and the technobabble
>printer remains on standby.
>
>RTD seems to equate suspense with sound volume; if anything,
>this is counterproductive. E-war Woo-war could sound deeply
>menacing by spitting out consonants with a malevolent air.
>That would never work if he shouted.
>
>The last few seconds of Blink (Doctor Who episode from 2006)
>showed an army of church gargoyles, not flapping around like
>extras from the arcade game Galaga; just sitting there...
>Waiting...
Just remember Sailsbury is a troll of the Nth degree.
The Doctor
Enzo Matrix <enz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <Xns9CF41166...@69.16.176.253>,
>>>>>
>>>>> "A Single Locust" <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:oinsj51ns70r4lori...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amirite?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
>>>>> going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the
>>>>> final 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too
>>>>> slapsticky for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant /
>>>>> Cribbens scenes again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The best acting I've ever seen Cribbens do, it was rather poignant
>>
>
>To be forewarned is to have four arms.
>
>
>--
>Enzo
>
>I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
>
>
<VBG>
The Doctor
<A.C...@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk> wrote:
>In uk.media.tv.misc osc <osc3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Doctor sending the Time Lords back to hell [...]
>
>Wasn't it actually the Master who did that?
>
>> Dalton conveniently fixing everyone on Earth.
>
>powers should all apparently be vulnerable to a bullet fired from a WW2
>pistol.
>
>
> Andy Clews
> University of Sussex
> *** Remove DENTURES if replying by email ***
More things to watch out for tonight.
The Doctor
Ian F. <wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>"AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:9f2faaa6-a319-4160...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>> on this very group.
>
>possess even an ounce of his talent!
>
>
>
Sailsbury always trolls for flames.
Martin Jay
<wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>That's what I find great fun about RTD - pissing off people who don't
>possess even an ounce of his talent!
The usual suspects will be back later in the year slagging of Doctor
Who again.
Matt Smith will probably be their new target.
Martin Jay
>Indeed. Since when did regeneration cause the TARDIS to catch fire
>and start to collapse? Waaaay over the top.
But this time The Doctor had all that radiation inside him.
Some of you just don't follow the plot.
The Doctor
Stephen Wilson <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:WpWdnTLkuJ21g6LW...@bt.com...
>>
>> out of regeneration?
>
>Post-regeneration trauma, whatever...
>
>
>it was referred to in the novelisation of Battlefield (he's the one that
>becomes Merlin).
>
>
The Doctor ? Merlin? Nah.
The Doctor
The Doctor
Trash Folder <tr...@can.org.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC), A.C...@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk
>wrote:
>
>>I thought it rather strange that these super-beings with seemingly limitless
>>powers should all apparently be vulnerable to a bullet fired from a WW2
>>pistol.
>
>
>And if they do, did they have to get her from Up Pompeii?
>
>--
>TF
Sounds like an RTD plot device.
The Doctor
Sweet Zombie Jeebus
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:49 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Shaun wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>>
>>>> Amirite?
>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>
>> over the hour mark - grow up.
>
> Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
> reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
Would you have cared if it hadn't been Captain Jack at that bar, and
instead the Doctor had given the note to a previous female companion?
Would your same comment then apply if RTD happened to be straight
instead of gay?
Mark a
need of something new to liven it up again.
I'd imagine the anti-gay wallies would soon STFU if
it was a hot bi babe strutting her stuff.
Regards
Mark
Monsieur Tabernac
<tr...@can.org.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC), A.C...@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk
>wrote:
>
>>I thought it rather strange that these super-beings with seemingly limitless
>>powers should all apparently be vulnerable to a bullet fired from a WW2
>>pistol.
>
>I wondered why the fuck do TIME LORDS need a soothsayer?
>
>And if they do, did they have to get her from Up Pompeii?
Or Ribos.
The Doctor
Sweet Zombie Jeebus
> On 2 Jan, 04:00, Monsieur Tabernac <mtaber...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 03:30:05 +0000 (UTC), osc <osc310...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:06:24 +0000, Soze wrote:
>>>> news:oinsj51ns70r4lori...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Amirite?
>>>> Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
>>>> going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the final
>>>> 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too slapsticky
>>>> for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant / Cribbens scenes
>>>> again.
>>> Tennant/Cribbins scenes... they were really rather touching.
>>> Timothy Dalton chewing scenery
>>> Hopelessly confused mess of a story.
>>> The Doctor sending the Time Lords back to hell - with a description of
>>> stuff like "the nightmare child"... all very intriguing, but they seemed
>>> to have come from a large dark "Phantom Menace"-style meeting hall and
>>> were bored to tears... not condemned to a vicious, maddening hell of
>>> endless war.
>>> Dalton conveniently fixing everyone on Earth.
>>> that the writer wanted to have him die slowly and "do the rounds", but
>>> couldn't be arsed thinking up a better plot for it. I know there's an
>>> element of "don't look to close, just enjoy the story", but ffs, can't we
>>> have a little effort.
>> I might have found it a bit more believable if the "regeneration
>> effect" didn't kick in right after his exposure to the radiation. I
>> think it's plausible that he could have been dying a rather slow death
>> from radiation sickness and that he only had a couple of weeks left
>> until he would regeneration.
>
> had to regenerate immediately, and (b)
>
> Having Tennant immediately heal his
>> wounds made it a bit much for me.
>
>
> Phil
But it WASN'T the same as Eccleston at all; the ninth Doctor absorbed
the TARDIS energy that Rose had exposed herself to, whereas this was a
fatal dose of radiation.
TARDIS energy != radiation.
It is fair to assume that whereas they both ended up with the same
result (a regenerating Doctor), that the effects leading up to the
regeneration would be different.
middl...@googlemail.com
<mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:31:38 +0000, middl...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
>>Indeed. Since when did regeneration cause the TARDIS to catch fire
>>and start to collapse? Waaaay over the top.
>
>But this time The Doctor had all that radiation inside him.
Remind me again why the 9th Doctor regenerated.
>Some of you just don't follow the plot.
While others just make stuff up to try and excuse poor storytelling.
The Doctor
The Doctor
<middl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:05:21 +0000, Martin Jay
><mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:31:38 +0000, middl...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Indeed. Since when did regeneration cause the TARDIS to catch fire
>>>and start to collapse? Waaaay over the top.
>>
>>But this time The Doctor had all that radiation inside him.
>
>Remind me again why the 9th Doctor regenerated.
To save Rose.
>
>>Some of you just don't follow the plot.
>
>While others just make stuff up to try and excuse poor storytelling.
We are talking RTD the egoist.
Ian F.
news:685.1262437...@spam-free.org.uk...
> Matt Smith will probably be their new target.
And the props people, the wardrobe ladies, the best boy, key grip,
producer's PA, the girlfriend of one of the cameramen...in fact, anyone
except their pet writer!
Still, every institution needs obsessives - it helps to keep the rest of us
sane! ;-)
Ian
Ian F.
news:hhnin...@news3.newsguy.com...
> I'd imagine the anti-gay wallies would soon STFU if
> it was a hot bi babe strutting her stuff.
*SFX: nail being hit firmly on head*
Ian
The Doctor
Shaun
<e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>Shaun wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:49 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
>> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Shaun wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amirite?
>>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>>
>>> Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was
>>> over the hour mark - grow up.
>>
>> Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
>> reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
>
>Would you have cared if it hadn't been Captain Jack at that bar, and
>instead the Doctor had given the note to a previous female companion?
In that case it would of been written by someone who realises Doctor
Who is a family programme. Therefore it would have been romantic and
not obvious gay sexual wish fulfilment.
>Would your same comment then apply if RTD happened to be straight
>instead of gay?
RTD and his apologists use the fact he is gay as a get out of jail
free card for his inability to write any form of credible plot. If
they make it an issue they shouldn't complain if other people do.
Stephen Wilson
> <wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>That's what I find great fun about RTD - pissing off people who don't
>>possess even an ounce of his talent!
>
> The usual suspects will be back later in the year slagging of Doctor
> Who again.
>
> Matt Smith will probably be their new target.
Or Steven Moffatt. Either way, it can be guaranteed.
Fred X
>
> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:9LF%m.33404$xa7....@newsfe14.ams2...
>>
>> "Col" <reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:WpWdnTLkuJ21g6LW...@bt.com...
>>>
>>>> Since when was there such a song and dance made
>>> out of regeneration?
>>
>> Quite frequently. Previously, entire stories were given over to it.
>> Post-regeneration trauma, whatever...
>
> I was talking about the pyrotechnic-style special effects
> which I felt were uneccessary.
> I remember when Tom Baker regenerated into Peter Davison
> and he just lay on the ground and his face gradually changed.
> It was actually quite a sombre moment, no silly fireworks going
> off inside the the Tardis for no apparent reason required there.
Yes, that was something that annoyed me as well as it just seemed to
be over the top as if they thought that the regeneration itself wasn't
dramatic enough. And I wish that they would stop using the overly loud
music to add the drama that is lacking from the writing in the scenes.
Fred X
pbo...@aol.com
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:42:38 GMT, xd18911 <my_em...@somewhere.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
> >news:hhlof3$12j$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
> >> Soze <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>"A Single Locust" <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:oinsj51ns70r4lori...@4ax.com...
>
> >>>> Amirite?
>
> >>>Fairly obvious this was going to happen, there was no way they were
> >>>going to let the 10th Doctor go lightly. I actually preferred the
> >>>final 20 minutes to the rest...much of the episode was a bit too
> >>>slapsticky for my liking. Although I did really enjoy the Tennant /
> >>>Cribbens scenes again.
>
>
> >The best acting I've ever seen Cribbens do, it was rather poignant
>
In fairness, you didn't *see* Cribbens in the Wombles...
Phil
middl...@googlemail.com
wrote:
>Yes, that was something that annoyed me as well as it just seemed to
>be over the top as if they thought that the regeneration itself wasn't
>dramatic enough. And I wish that they would stop using the overly loud
>music to add the drama that is lacking from the writing in the scenes.
As well as obscuring the dialogue.
I also hope we can say goodbye to the dramatic theme that's been used
over and over again to signify that "something dramatic is happening".
Fred X
No, but if would be just as annoying to have overtly sexual
comments coming (no pun intended!) from a woman in what is
essentially a kids show. It would annoy me if we had a female
companion saying things like "am I giving you a hard time,
Doctor" or other similar innuendos.
Fred X
pbo...@aol.com
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:31:38 +0000, middleli...@googlemail.com wrote:
> >Indeed. Since when did regeneration cause the TARDIS to catch fire
> >and start to collapse? Waaaay over the top.
>
> But this time The Doctor had all that radiation inside him.
He had even more when Eccleston regenerated.
> Some of you just don't follow the plot.
Some of you have short memories...
Phil
middl...@googlemail.com
Why would anyone "target" Moffat? When he writes good episodes he'll
receive praise, and when he writes a duffer (as he surely will) he'll
get criticised. If he starts dropping jarring, out of place
references to some personal agenda of his own into episodes then he'll
be called on it, but somehow I don't see that happening. He's there
to write good Doctor Who episodes, which is what I'm sure he'll do.
pbo...@aol.com
wrote:
> Shaun wrote:
> > On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:49 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
> > <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Shaun wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
> >>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>
> >>>> Amirite?
> >>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
> >>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>
> >> Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was
> >> over the hour mark - grow up.
>
> > Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
> > reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
>
> Would you have cared if it hadn't been Captain Jack at that bar, and
> instead the Doctor had given the note to a previous female companion?
I would - see my review thread. It's the idea of the Doctor as
matchmaker that's cringeworthy, not the particular match being made.
Phil
Sweet Zombie Jeebus
Fair enough; I can see your point and I've got no particular problem
with it.
Where I DO have an issue is with those who decry the scene (or other
similar instances) BECAUSE of the match that was being made...
The Face of Po
Shaun got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:43:55 -0800 (PST), AlanSailsbury
> <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 1, 10:15=A0pm, "Schrodinger" <n...@way.com> wrote:
>>> "Shaun" <shaun.jamesons...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:4b3e65e5...@news.virginmedia.com...
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>> > <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>
>>> >>Amirite?
>>>
>>> > Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>> > action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>
>>> character who was totally normal - i.e. not trying to cop off every 2
>>> minutes and make smutty gay remarks at every opportunity. What RTD does is
>>> about his problem with there not being an anti-gay agenda and trying to stir
>>> up the Daily Mail readers into writing complaint letters.
>>
>>And RTD also knows it'll annoy the knobheads in fandom, as evidenced
>>on this very group.
>>
> This is called "treating the audience with contempt".
No, it's treating *some* of the audience with contempt. Specifically,
the knobheads.
--
Happiness will prevail
Stephen Wilson
"Shaun" <shaun.ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:35:07 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Shaun wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:49 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
>>> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shaun wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amirite?
>>>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was
>>>> over the hour mark - grow up.
>>>
>>> Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
>>> reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
>>
>>Would you have cared if it hadn't been Captain Jack at that bar, and
>>instead the Doctor had given the note to a previous female companion?
>
> In that case it would of been written by someone who realises Doctor
> Who is a family programme. Therefore it would have been romantic and
> not obvious gay sexual wish fulfilment.
I know people who are gay. Many are quite romantic. But besides anything
else, the bar scene had little to do with sex - romantic, wish fulfillment
or otherwise. It was there as a little bit of fun. Which anyone who doesn't
have their head up their own backside would realise.
I know many families that include members who are gay. Therefore by
excluding gay characters would actually have caused the programme to be
anti-family.
Sounds like you'd prefer the characters to be exclusively white, and of your
preferred political, religious and sexual orientations. Luckily, you don't
get to call the shots.
>>Would your same comment then apply if RTD happened to be straight
>>instead of gay?
>
> RTD and his apologists use the fact he is gay as a get out of jail
> free card for his inability to write any form of credible plot. If
> they make it an issue they shouldn't complain if other people do.
The ability to write a credible plot has nothing to do with a writer's
sexuality. And you're in the minority in thinking RTD has no writing
ability. Your homophobia is noted. But that's your problem, not ours. One
minute's worth of a character who's gay, and some people are up in arms.
Laughable! Still, if you think that Steven Moffatt is going to take the
programme back in time, think again. He may be heterosexual, but he's not
homophobic. As a straight man, he may even feel able to introduce gay
characters more easily than RTD. And it wouldn't surprise me if he does,
going on his previous form.
The Face of Po
Shaun got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Shaun wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>>
>>>> Amirite?
>>>
>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>
>>
>>Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was
>>over the hour mark - grow up.
>
> Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
> reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
No, because heroin is dangerously addictive and bad for the health.
If a heterosexual writer had included a scene where the Doctor
introduces Jack to a woman, would you think it unacceptable?
--
Happiness will prevail
Stephen Wilson
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Um... no. In Eccleston's case, he absorbed vortex energy. Not radiation.
Different kind of energy, hence different effect on the body.
Stephen Wilson
<middl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:55:23 -0000, "Stephen Wilson"
> <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin Jay" <mar...@spam-free.org.uk> wrote in message
>>news:685.1262437...@spam-free.org.uk...
>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:15:32 -0000, "Ian F."
>>> <wowfab...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's what I find great fun about RTD - pissing off people who don't
>>>>possess even an ounce of his talent!
>>>
>>> The usual suspects will be back later in the year slagging of Doctor
>>> Who again.
>>>
>>> Matt Smith will probably be their new target.
>>
>>Or Steven Moffatt. Either way, it can be guaranteed.
>
> Why would anyone "target" Moffat? When he writes good episodes he'll
> receive praise, and when he writes a duffer (as he surely will) he'll
> get criticised.
Because that's what fans do. He's now the head writer and executive
producer. He knows that the less well-balanced side of fandom has a history
of blaming producers for everything they don't like about the show, and it's
always the producer's fault that the show isn't as good as it used to be.
> If he starts dropping jarring, out of place
> references to some personal agenda of his own into episodes then he'll
> be called on it, but somehow I don't see that happening. He's there
> to write good Doctor Who episodes, which is what I'm sure he'll do.
I hope so. As always, time will tell...
Martin Jay
Many of the whingers having nothing by gushing praise for him, so I
think they'll have to aim their sights elsewhere.
--
Martin Jay
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The Face of Po
Shaun got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Shaun wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:49 +0000, Sweet Zombie Jeebus
>>> <e...@edNOcourtenaySPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shaun wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:44:55 +0000, A Single Locust
>>>>> <loc...@hotmale.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Too. Fucking. Much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Amirite?
>>>>> Self-indulgent RTD crap where fixing Captain Jack up with some bum
>>>>> action is more important than an actual plot.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh FFS, it was all of a minute of screen time in an episode that was
>>>> over the hour mark - grow up.
>>>
>>> Would the Doctor giving Captain Jack a load of smack for no other
>>> reason than the writer was junkie be acceptable ?
>>
>>Would you have cared if it hadn't been Captain Jack at that bar, and
>>instead the Doctor had given the note to a previous female companion?
>
> In that case it would of been written by someone who realises Doctor
> Who is a family programme. Therefore it would have been romantic and
> not obvious gay sexual wish fulfilment.
It looks like you're not used to thinking about what you're writing.
Your use of the phrase "would of been" is a bit of a giveaway in that
regard.
Are you saying that you think that fictional gay relationships written
by gay writers are invariably "sexual wish fulfilment", while fictional
straight relationships written by straight writers are automatically
"romantic"?
And are you also saying that, of a straight writer writing about a
straight relationship and a gay writer writing about a gay relationship,
only one can have an understanding of whether or not "Doctor Who" is a
family programme?
--
Happiness will prevail
bolta...@boltar.world
The Face of Po <gkenn...@potatojunkie.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>And are you also saying that, of a straight writer writing about a
>straight relationship and a gay writer writing about a gay relationship,
>only one can have an understanding of whether or not "Doctor Who" is a
>family programme?
Seems to be that the BBC is pushing the usual liberal left attitude that
homosexuality is perfectly normal (it isn't) and will do so regardless even in
a family show to get its political message across.
What people do in the privacy of their own home is their business so long as
its legal but I'm getting a bit fed up with this constant drip feeding of it
from the BBC in an attempt to make us subconciously accept it. Whether its
John Barrowman talking about cocks on a children in need program or some
mincing queen on Strictly or Graham Norton with some smutty innuendo or
whatever. Homosexuality might be "normal" in the sense that its a common fault
that keeps cropping up in humanity - a bit like a cleft pallate - but that
doesn't make it the norm for society at large and its time the queens at the
BBC realised that.
B2003