Is the War Chief the Master ?
David J. A. Lewis
After a recent re-watching of the War GamesI wondered if perhaps
the War Chief and the Master are the same person ? If you look,
the same type of evil beard, fact that he was quite happy to
betray the time lords, teaming up with the doctor, taking part
in carnage, the plan to take over the universe, and fact we never
actually see him die properly. They shoot him with those funny
guns, but I think that medallion he is constantly fingering around
his neck might be a force shield/protection/tardis key, or the guns,
rather than kill him, may force a regeneration. Also in the Five
Doctors, the Master mentions the First World War, I'm sure someone
else must have thought of this before.
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Micheal Keane
In article <334161...@cardiff.ac.ukk>,
It's an interesting theory, but unfortunately, the NAs put a stop to
this... in Timewyrm:Exodus, the Doctor runs into the War Chief again(who
had an aborted regeneration and was horribly disfigured).
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Jonathan Blum
In article <334161...@cardiff.ac.ukk>,
David J. A. Lewis <lewi...@cf.ac.uk> wrote:
>After a recent re-watching of the War GamesI wondered if perhaps
>the War Chief and the Master are the same person ?
[snip]
>I'm sure someone
>else must have thought of this before.
Just a *few*... :-) According to Terrance Dicks, who co-created both
characters, no -- and the way in which he brought back the War Chief in
the NA's pretty effectively prevents him from being the Master.
Regards,
Jon Blum
(oh, for the days when Terrance brought back his old creations and did
something *new* with them...)
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dav...@ivory.lm.com
Micheal Keane (ae...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: It's an interesting theory, but unfortunately, the NAs put a stop to
: this... in Timewyrm:Exodus, the Doctor runs into the War Chief again(who
: had an aborted regeneration and was horribly disfigured).
What I want to know is, are the NA/MA's admissable in the official Who
continoum. I would say they aren't, because thay are were never actually
produced on the screen and Doctor Who was created for the medium of film,
not paper. I think that unless the stories are either written as screenplays
or they are actually produced they cannot really be admissible to the
whole series. I think that if a new series started if we said that NA/MA's
where admissable, the people who never read the NA/MA's would be without
a clue(me one of these). "How are on the 11th Doc when the last Doc was
8th??" "Who isd this new compannion and what is their background??"
Bye,
Pat
Mike Teague
No, they just share the same tailor and razor.
/Mike.
Shannon Patrick Sullivan
Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:25:58 GMT, I overheard David J. A. Lewis say:
> After a recent re-watching of the War GamesI wondered if perhaps
> the same type of evil beard, fact that he was quite happy to
> betray the time lords, teaming up with the doctor, taking part
> in carnage, the plan to take over the universe, and fact we never
> actually see him die properly. They shoot him with those funny
> guns, but I think that medallion he is constantly fingering around
> his neck might be a force shield/protection/tardis key, or the guns,
> rather than kill him, may force a regeneration. Also in the Five
> else must have thought of this before.
In the early Eighties, DWM (and perhaps others) popularised the idea that
the Master, the War Chief and the Monk were the same Time Lord. Of course,
there's no proof for it onscreen, but similarly there's nothing to
contradict it. However, I think the motives and personality of all three
differ more than can be put down to simply differences between
regenerations, so personally I don't think they the same. Your mileage may
vary.
(Unless you count the NAs as canon, of course... in that case, all three
are definitely different Time Lords.)
Shannon
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In article <5hvbiq$b...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
sha...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Shannon Patrick Sullivan) wrote:
>
> Whilst vacationing on Gallifrey on Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:25:58 GMT, I overheard David J. A. Lewis say:
> > After a recent re-watching of the War GamesI wondered if perhaps
> > the War Chief and the Master are the same person ? If you look,
> > the same type of evil beard, fact that he was quite happy to
> > betray the time lords, teaming up with the doctor, taking part
> > in carnage, the plan to take over the universe, and fact we never
> > actually see him die properly. They shoot him with those funny
> > guns, but I think that medallion he is constantly fingering around
> > his neck might be a force shield/protection/tardis key, or the guns,
> > rather than kill him, may force a regeneration. Also in the Five
> > Doctors, the Master mentions the First World War, I'm sure someone
> > else must have thought of this before.
>
> In the early Eighties, DWM (and perhaps others) popularised the idea that
> the Master, the War Chief and the Monk were the same Time Lord. Of course,
> there's no proof for it onscreen, but similarly there's nothing to
> contradict it. However, I think the motives and personality of all three
> differ more than can be put down to simply differences between
> regenerations, so personally I don't think they the same. Your mileage may
> vary.
>
> (Unless you count the NAs as canon, of course... in that case, all three
> are definitely different Time Lords.)
>
Even if I ignore the NAs, I still can't see the Monk as one of the
Master's incarnations. He just doesn't have the Master's aristocratic
style. If the Master was to disguise himself as a priest, he would be an
archbishop or pope, someone *grand.*
However, I can see the War Chief as being one of the Master's incarnation
though only if I ignore Terrence Dicks :-).
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Stephen Crump
I think that the War Chief being the Master fits very well.
Thier personalities are similar and they both were very fond of forms of
mind control.
But I don't think the Meddling Monk being the Master holds up very well.
Steve
Sloughter
From what I've heard, the Monk and the Doctor didn't know each other, so
the Monk couldn't be the Master. The War Chief, however, I have always
thought may be the Master, especially because the Doctor and he
recognized each other immediately, and he has a beard. I haven't read
_The Dark Path_ yet, though, and that may destroy my theories.
???
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A. Robinson
R.J. Smith
>From what I've heard, the Monk and the Doctor didn't know each other, so
>the Monk couldn't be the Master.
Nope, the Monk and the Doctor definitely know each other in The Time
Meddler (and elsewhere, of course).
The War Chief, however, I have always
>thought may be the Master, especially because the Doctor and he
>recognized each other immediately, and he has a beard.
Well, naturally. I mean, we all know that there was only one beard licence
ever given out by the Time Lords.
Wait, by that criteria, K'Ampo must be the Master as well! Why didn't we
spot this before?!?
I haven't read
>_The Dark Path_ yet, though, and that may destroy my theories.
Have you read Timewyrm: Exodus? That should pretty much destroy your
theories too.
- Robert Smith?
who can't believe how many people think that two people with a beard must
therefore necessarily be the same person... :-)