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Faith Burwasser

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Jan 14, 1995, 12:57:31 AM1/14/95
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David Yeh (dy...@scws32.harvard.edu) wrote:
: Ok...on line with the Space Mountain question, I'd like to pose the
: famous question: in the Haunted Mansion "stretching room", does the
: ceiling go up or the floor go down (either at WDW or DL)? If you
: absolutely know the answer for a fact, please don't post...but I'd like
: take a poll of guesses from those who don't know for a fact, but have a
: hunch...

Well, I certainly don't know this for a fact!!!! But, i'm gonna go out on
a limb here and say that it does BOTH to some extent. At least, that's
the inpression i've always gotten. Well, I've been wrong before, and
as I said, it's only a guess.

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Kevinwdw

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Jan 14, 1995, 3:07:11 AM1/14/95
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Well it is a hard one, sounds easy, the one in disneyland i always feel me
going down and my blood is my reason and in florida, i don't know. i
hardly felt any thing guess i had jetlag that day and it was hot and
humid. I say in florida it go down .

Brett Bobley

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Jan 15, 1995, 2:06:27 AM1/15/95
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In article <1995Jan15.0...@adobe.com>, ase...@mv.us.adobe.com (A
Usenet Pal) wrote:

> In article <3f7k35$d...@decaxp.harvard.edu> dy...@scws32.harvard.edu


(David Yeh) writes:
> >Ok...on line with the Space Mountain question, I'd like to pose the
> >famous question: in the Haunted Mansion "stretching room", does the
> >ceiling go up or the floor go down (either at WDW or DL)?

Recently, when I went to DL, my girlfriend was in a wheelchair due to a
dislocated ankle. As a result, we had to enter the Mansion via the
handicapped entrance.

We had to leave the wheelchair near the conveyor belt where you actually
step into the cars. After the ride is over, most of the guests departed
at the exit. But we were allowed to ride all the way back to the entrance
again so we could retrieve our wheelchair.

Anyway, to exit the mansion we couldn't just roll right out the door,
because, indeed, we were on the wrong floor! We had to wait unto the
elevator (a.k.a the strech room) came to ferry us back down to the main
lobby.

So, I think it really is an elevator!

Brett

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PookMan

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Jan 16, 1995, 3:35:39 AM1/16/95
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In CA you go down so that they can get you under the railroad tracks that
circumvent the park's perimiter...the actual house is right next to the
edge of the park. The loading area and subsequent ride are actually
"outside" the park in a big warehouse-style building.

In FL, however, the house and ride are in the middle of the park, and
therefore the "stretching room" really DOES stretch. It is *not* an
elevator...you actually stay on the same level as the room and hanging
pictures stretch above you.

The original LA design was really a practical idea that was themed to fit
the show, but when it was moved to FL it was designed as just a show
element, with no real practical need like in LA. Neat, huh? :)

Jacquie Parr

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Jan 16, 1995, 10:51:38 AM1/16/95
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Ryan Liu (rya...@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: I always had the impression that the HM at DL first went down,
: and then the top went up.

Me too,

Jacquie

Larry Smith

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Jan 16, 1995, 11:03:41 AM1/16/95
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In article <3f80nf$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

According to Birnbaum, the floor goes down in Disneyland (to drop
you below the level of the berm, most of the ride is outside the
park proper, I gather) and in Disneyworld the ceiling goes up (to
match the effect in DL without changing your level, since most of
WDW is on one level, a huge deck built over the tunnels and swamp-
land...
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Jeebs

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Jan 16, 1995, 3:55:47 PM1/16/95
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My guess is that the DL version brings the guests down below the berm
level. At WDW I think the room stretches up, but the guests stay at the
same level.

Am I close?

John

Ray Wisniewski

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Jan 16, 1995, 8:49:31 PM1/16/95
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I can't say for DL, but in Florida it's easy- look at the floor as you
enter the stretching room- there are no joints- therefor nothing to move.
So the cieling must go up.

PookMan

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Jan 16, 1995, 11:12:34 PM1/16/95
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Yes to the Birnbaum definition. And Euro/Tokyo are just like FL, a scenic
trick and not an elevator. BTW, there aren't any tunnels under the FL
house.... :)

Evil Homer

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Jan 16, 1995, 11:35:14 PM1/16/95
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AT EDL, the paintings unroll as the room "stretches" rather than being
flat and revealed as the picture frame rises (at WDW) or drops (at
DL)...FYI

It looks dumb, and I wonder why they chose to do it that way

Stacy McKenna

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Jan 17, 1995, 1:05:42 AM1/17/95
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Funny, I always thought the DL paintings looked like they were
unrolling as the base of the frame was pulled down. I also agree with
the previous posts that said it seemed like the ceiling did stretch
after the elevator hits a certain point. If so, they did a nice job of
keeping the elevator/ceiling transition smooth enough to make you
wonder if you really do feel a difference or not in how you're moving
in relation to the pictures/earth. When do we get the official lowdown
on EXACTLY how it's done?! (can you tell I'm an engineer? Tell me how
it works mommy!!)
Stacy

Phil Wright

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Jan 17, 1995, 1:05:16 PM1/17/95
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> Recently, when I went to DL, my girlfriend was in a wheelchair due to a
> dislocated ankle. As a result, we had to enter the Mansion via the
> handicapped entrance.
>
> We had to leave the wheelchair near the conveyor belt where you actually
> step into the cars. After the ride is over, most of the guests departed
> at the exit. But we were allowed to ride all the way back to the entrance
> again so we could retrieve our wheelchair.

I'm sure many of us would like to hear what you saw between the usual
exit and where guests get into cars. Was it very far between the two
points?

I have not had an opportunity to visit Disneyland, so if somebody
could describe how guests get back to gound level after exiting the
cars, it would be greatly appreciated.

The MK Haunted Mansion at WDW backs downward around 13 feet (staying
with the theme, here) immediately prior to the graveyard, and slowly
comes back up to grade between the graveyard and the exit. Does
the Disneyland HM do the same?

Ryan Liu

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Jan 17, 1995, 3:44:39 PM1/17/95
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A question to thse who say that the HM in Orlando can't be an
elevator because there are no joints in the floor... Is that as you are
stepping in or around the walls? Because, come to think of it, although I
am still quite sure that the HM in DL is an elevator, I can't remember
seeing a joint when you enter the room. As for seeing a joint around the
whole room, they don't make elevators that way... I don't think. Anyways,
can someone tell me if there is a joint at the entrance to the room in
DL? It's probably there, but with the mad rush to get to the 'good' side
of the room, as well as the fact that it is dark, I have nevr noticed it.

Thanks

PS: I still say the one in DL goes down, and then the ceiling goes up.

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Mike!

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Jan 17, 1995, 6:14:30 PM1/17/95
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Has anyone though that the one at disneyland has two elevators? Thats
alwyas what I thought, because It looked as if there are two ways to go
after the first que room (after beeing on the ride millions of times) and
when you get down, if you look back, I know there must be two, because
when it is very crowded abd backed up, everyone gets out of there room
and waits for the crowd in the hallway to move, but when I looked back,
instead of the same doors opening with the next set of people, there was
another set of doors opening! ( I think it must be two elevators) and I
am pretty sure that once the elevator goes down the celing goes up for
awhile because you can feel the room stop moving.

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Jan 17, 1995, 6:37:31 PM1/17/95
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On 16 Jan 1995, GregSacto wrote:

> In response to the question from all those who don't actually know
>
>
> what does the haunted mansion stretching room do?
>
> We've heard ups and a downs about Orlando and Anaheim , so what do people
> think the rooms in Tokyo and Paris do?
> Greg Loe
> greg...@aol.com
>
Uh, I a side to side motion instead? ;)

Brianpast

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Jan 18, 1995, 1:12:49 AM1/18/95
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Allright, I am going to let you in on a little secret. I am not going to
tell you about the answer to the question. I know the answer, but it is
fun watching you guys try to figure it out. There are two elevators in the
HM in both DL and WDW. They form what is known in the business as a
"Hidden Mickey" (SYmbols, or words relating to Mickey Mouse that are
hidden in attractions) If you look at the layout of the HM from a
"birds-eye" view, you'll notice that the first cue area with the Medusa
portrait would be mickeys face. Then the two stretch rooms are his ears.
Lemme show you

Stretch Rooms
VVV VVV
...... ........
...... ........
...............
...............
...............
...............
^^^^^^^^^
Medusa Room.

Pretty cool, huh?

Brian



Thunder Boy

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Jan 18, 1995, 9:01:22 PM1/18/95
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In article <mPR7lCMO...@gate.net>, kna...@gate.net (Thunder Boy) wrote:
> In article <950115155...@pchbbs.com>, you wrote:
> >
> > The one in Disneyland goes DOWN, the one in Disney World goes UP. The reas
> > In DL they can dig down far enough. In WDW they are built on swampland, so
> > digging down wasn't possible. Heard this from a DLCM.
> >
> >
>
> The entire Magic Kingdom is basically the second floor to the
> Utilidor. If they wanted to build it down they could have.
>
>

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Claude Nichols

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Jan 19, 1995, 7:49:31 PM1/19/95
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: I don't know for certain if Tokyo's Mansion has a rising ceiling, but I
: would be surprised if it didn't, because Tokyo Disneyland is built on
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: landfill in Tokyo Bay.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

YIKES! Is this really true?

If so, wouldn't TDL be petrified at this point, since the worst
damage in the Kobe quake occurred to structures built *on landfill*?

I would think they would be more quake conscious!

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Phil Wright

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Jan 19, 1995, 5:34:47 PM1/19/95
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> Although I've never been to WDW, I've heard on certain (busy?) days, they'll
> actually wisk guests through the gallery without pausing for the gallery
> spiel, leading me to believe "this chamber has no windows, and no doors....
> and no ELEVATOR either!" ;)
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I, myself, have been one of the unfortunate to have been wisked
straight through at the WDW HM. It was on my second visit in '76.

I was 16 then, and 13 on my first visit. From then, I didn't recall
that you could actually see a body hanging from the ceiling. For me,
that is probably the only truly gruesome part of the ride, although
it does add to the story by letting you know how your 'ghost host'
became one of the fortunate(?) 999.

Hey, I just realized that 999 is 666 upside down. Look out, here
come the calls.

Matthew Pearce

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Jan 19, 1995, 7:57:38 PM1/19/95
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Phil Wright (p...@tdis.icpsr.umich.edu) wrote:

: Hey, I just realized that 999 is 666 upside down. Look out, here
: come the calls.

I thought about this also. However, the call is for one more ghost
to make the 1000 ("Don't get behind, or you may not have to volunteer")

[o.k. so the quote may not be 100% accurate-I know someone out there
will correct it :)]

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Jan 19, 1995, 5:51:36 PM1/19/95
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> > > The one in Disneyland goes DOWN, the one in Disney World goes
> UP. The reas
> > > In DL they can dig down far enough. In WDW they are built on
> swampland, so
> > > digging down wasn't possible. Heard this from a DLCM.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > The entire Magic Kingdom is basically the second floor to
> the
> > Utilidor. If they wanted to build it down they could
> have.
> >
> >

ONE FLOOR is hardly enough space to build an entire show building.


Andre Willey

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Jan 20, 1995, 7:23:23 AM1/20/95
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In <3fe1lq$v...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, greg...@aol.com wrote:

> what does the haunted mansion stretching room do?
>
> We've heard ups and a downs about Orlando and Anaheim , so what do
> people think the rooms in Tokyo and Paris do?

Hmm, I think the Paris rooms (there are two) might go down. Part of the ride
seems to be housed beneath the queuing area, and the Phantom Manor building
itself looks to be constructed at the top of a hill (under the hill being
the ride itself). Much of the ride building is behind the Manor, though, so
I'm willing to be proven wrong...

Andre

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Leanne M. Fornaca

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Jan 20, 1995, 1:50:23 PM1/20/95
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Claude Nichols (cla...@vcd.hp.com) wrote:

: At Disneyland, you walk/ride up a moving ramp back to
: ground level.
:
: "Come back.....come baaaack..." -The little teeny lady at the exit
:
: --

: Janna Nichols...FDC Rolly..."I'm hungry mother, I really am!"

If you want to get really technical about it, she says:
"Hurry baaaack....hurry baaaack. Be sure and bring your *death* certificate."

Leanne Fornaca/FDC Gonzo the Great
(who lives in San Diego and has therefore been to Disneyland more times than
she can count!)


Bing Futch

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Jan 20, 1995, 11:01:01 PM1/20/95
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Should I?

"If you insist on lagging behind, you may not need to volunteer......

And now, a carriage approaches, to take you into the boundless realm of
the supernatural....take your...loved ones by the hand please, and
kindly watch your step.....

Oh yes, and no flash pictures, please.....we spirits are frightfully
sensitive to bright light........"

Archimedes

riff...@fornext.com

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Jan 21, 1995, 1:12:51 AM1/21/95
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IM>I thought about this also. However, the call is for one more ghost
IM>to make the 1000 ("Don't get behind, or you may not have to volunteer")

IM>[o.k. so the quote may not be 100% accurate-I know someone out there
IM>will correct it :)]

I was gonna leave it be, but then you called out for someone to correct
it, so here I am.... "There are several prominant ghosts who have
retired here..from creepy old crypts all over the world. Actually, we
have nine hundred and ninety nine happy haunts here....but theres room
for a thousand. Any volunteers? If you insist on lagging behind, you may
not NEED to volunteer."

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Larry Shilkoff

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Jan 21, 1995, 3:36:35 AM1/21/95
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In <D2qop...@vcd.hp.com> cla...@vcd.hp.com (Claude Nichols) writes:

>
>Leanne M. Fornaca (kja...@spike.wellesley.edu) wrote:


>: Janna Nichols wrote:
>:
>: : At Disneyland, you walk/ride up a moving ramp back to
>: : ground level.
>: :
>: : "Come back.....come baaaack..." -The little teeny lady at the exit
>: :
>: : --
>: : Janna Nichols...FDC Rolly..."I'm hungry mother, I really am!"
>
>: If you want to get really technical about it, she says:
>: "Hurry baaaack....hurry baaaack. Be sure and bring your *death*
certificate."


And speaking of that "little lady", I think I read a few years back that
the little lady (actually a projection on a plaster form) is Ann
Margaret. Has anyone else heard this as well?

Larry


Randall P.

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Jan 20, 1995, 8:20:37 PM1/20/95
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: Hmm, I think the Paris rooms (there are two) might go down. Part of the ride

: seems to be housed beneath the queuing area, and the Phantom Manor building
: itself looks to be constructed at the top of a hill (under the hill being
: the ride itself). Much of the ride building is behind the Manor, though, so
: I'm willing to be proven wrong...

: Andre

How does Phantom Manor differ from the Haunted Mansion? I have heard
that it is scarier and has a more cohesive plot, but are the effects
different, and what is the plot? Could anyone post a 'ride-thru- spoiler?

Don Bertino

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Jan 21, 1995, 12:21:13 PM1/21/95
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In article <1995Jan20....@olaf.wellesley.edu>,

Leanne M. Fornaca <kja...@spike.wellesley.edu> wrote:
>Claude Nichols (cla...@vcd.hp.com) wrote:
>
>: At Disneyland, you walk/ride up a moving ramp back to
>: ground level.
>:
>: "Come back.....come baaaack..." -The little teeny lady at the exit
>:
>: --
>: Janna Nichols...FDC Rolly..."I'm hungry mother, I really am!"
>
>If you want to get really technical about it, she says:
> "Hurry baaaack....hurry baaaack. Be sure and bring your *death* certificate."

[Little Leota]
Hurry back, Hurry back. Be sure to bring your death certificate, if you
decide to join us. Make final arrangements now. We've been, hmm hmm,
dying to have you. hmm hmm hmm hmm

The complete script for the HM, as well as others, are in ftp.netcom.com
/pub/be/bertino/attractions.

don
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Claude Nichols

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Jan 21, 1995, 12:03:07 AM1/21/95
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Leanne M. Fornaca (kja...@spike.wellesley.edu) wrote:

I'm sorry...I was *dead* wrong. Maybe we can just *bury*
this one in the past, and not let it *haunt* us. I just
can't be mean *spirit*ed here on RAD. 8^)

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Randall P.

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Jan 21, 1995, 6:19:14 PM1/21/95
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The rumor that the figure at the conclusion of the Haunted Mansion is
Ann-Margaret has been around since the attraction opened. There is a
superficial resemblance, but it is NOT Ann-Margaret. It just sounds a
heck of a lot like her!

Regan B. Pederson

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Jan 22, 1995, 4:26:38 PM1/22/95
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Okay, first of all, the stretch room was designed out of necessity. When
the DL Mansion (just the building, not the ride) was built in 1963 it was
still planned to be a walk-through attraction. For many years the
building was just an empty skeleton while it waited for the Imagineers to
finish up with their World's Fair business and start working on it
again. They knew they could never fit the entire attraction inside the
mansion you see, so they dug a very deep "basement" and then a tunnel
from the basement under the berm and the railroad. When the attraction
finally resumed construction in 1967 (I think) it had changed to become a
ride-through. The stretch room takes you to the bottom of the basement,
then you walk down the tunnel (as you pass the changing pictures and the
"windows" with the storm outside. You don't get on the ride itself until
you reach the exterior show building which is hidden behind the berm from
guest view. If you really want to see the show building, try the monorail.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.

Anyway, the stretch rooms (there are two of them) serve very nicely the
purpose of getting guests down to the tunnel. The DL Mansion opened in
1969 and was a tremendous success.

Now, Walt Disney World was opened in 1971, two years later. And they did
of course want a Mansion in it. However, this time they were able to
start from scratch. They did not need the stretch room and tunnel
because they were able to design it so guests would never have to go
underground. But the stretch room was such a popular effect at
Disneyland they wanted to keep it. This was accomplished by placing the
entrance door in the hill that the Mansion stands on (this doesn't make
any sense, but they did it anyway) The hill, which you're not supposed
to be able to see behind but can anyway, houses a jutting segment of the
Mansion show building. You walk into the hill into what we have to
assume they meant to be the basement of the Mansion. The Mansion does
have a front door but nobody ever uses it. Instead, you walk into the
basement and the foyer's right there, in the basement. Like at
Disneyland the foyer leads into two stretch rooms. In these, however,
you don't go down at all. The ceiling instead extends up into the
Mansion, and when the exit doors open you don't have to go through the
tunnel, the loading area's right there (because you're already in the
show building).

Both Disneyland and Walt Disney World's Mansions have the problem that
you don't seem to exit from the Mansion but from seperate structures.
Disneyland does, however, have the advantage that the guests entering the
Mansion can't see the exit (and people coming out of it). At Disneyland
it seems as though nobody leaves. At Walt Disney World, you walk right
by the exit on your way to the other side of the hill where the entrance
doors are.

Most people like Florida's Mansion better. I prefer Disneyland. Here's why:

#1: The exit problem that I just mentioned.
#2: The basement problem that I mentioned earlier. It never seems that
you are actually entering the Mansion (and you never actually do),
and you can even see part of the show building from the waiting area!
#3: The Mansion exteriors themselves are totally different. I really
like Disneyland's southern charm and Walt's concept of "We'll take care
of the outside and let the ghosts take care of the inside." At DL
house is really intriguing and mysterious. At WDW they make it totally
obvious that it is supposed to be haunted.
#4: The WDW Mansion doesn't fit into the Liberty Square concept at all.
It seems isolated and doesn't blend in, which interferes with it's
own charm, especially at night.

Now, Phantom Manor:

Phantom Manor is absolutely, positively, indefinitely, my favorite theme
park attraction. They did everything right here. The Haunted Mansion
(either version) is number 3, behind Star Tours.

Let me first say that I'd really like to talk to Imagineers about this
attraction. I know that many of them disagree with me on my appraisal of it.

Phantom Manor is in Frontierland, and they made it so it really does fit
in. The house exterior is again totally different. They did well in
making it intriguing but not blatently haunted. It looks like an old
western house that is seriously dilapidated.

The Manor "yard" is something to see in itself. Like the house it looks
like it was very beautiful at one time but nobody's taken care of it.
There's a gazebo, plant holders, lots of nice stairs & structure, all
meant to look like it was really nice and lavish at one point in time.
The queue winds through part of it, and there is a very large sheltered
waiting area with a fountain in the middle. The entire "yard" is (of
course) built on a hill and the house sits on top.

You finally get up to the deck surrounding the house and walk around to
the front doors. This is a concept that was lost at the Haunted
Mansions: You actually go in the front doors. When you get inside the
foyer Phantom Manor finally begins to resemble the Haunted Mansions.
There's the chandelier with cobwebs and the two doors into the stretch
rooms. Otherwise, the decor is still very different. It's very antique
western. There is a small mirror in-between the two doors. When the
Phantom (who is the narrator) starts speaking (in French), you can see a
picture of the bride in the mirror.

Now, the story:

At Phantom Manor there is a story, and it is a very good one. This has
become a kind of obsession for me to learn it. The Phantom tells some of
it in French but my French isn't all that good. I've asked Cast Members,
City Hall, Imagineers, and finally I think I pretty much have it down.

The Groom (I'll call them the Groom, the Bride and the Phantom because I
don't know what their real names are supposed to be) owns most of
Frontierland. He falls in love with the Bride, and they are engaged.
Before they are married, though, she wants to return back east to visit
with her family. While she is gone the Groom has a lavish, extravagant,
beautiful house built on a hill at the edge of the Rivers of the Far
West. The site overlooked Frontierland and could be seen from all around.

The house is no sooner built than it is haunted - by the Phantom.
Unfortunately for the Groom, the Phantom has fallen in love with the
Bride as well. The Groom plans a magificent wedding party for the night
the bride would return. She promised him she would arrive in her wedding
gown, ready to go. The magical night arrives. The Groom dresses up, the
guests arrive, the cake is made, and the Phantom was there. Just before
the Bride arrived the Phantom hung the groom from the tower of the house.

The Bride arrived at the house and couldn't find her fiancee. After
searching the entire place (but never looking up) she sits at the edge of
the ballroom and cries as she watches what should have been her wedding
party go on. Then, she looks behind her, and outside the Phantom is
there laughing. She realizes what he has done but there is nothing she
can do about it, and the Phantom condemns the Bride to live with him for
the rest of their eternal lives in the house.

Okay, well, that's pretty much the story as I know it.

One of the disadvantages of Phantom Manor is that due to budget
constraints the Imagineers had to work the story into scenes that have
existed at the storyless Haunted Mansion for years. Everything has been
updated and improved and worked into the story as much as possible, but
it's obvious that the Imagineers struggled here. Another problem is that
the story had to be made visually apparent so that you could understand
it no matter which language you speak. There is no narration in the
"doom buggies", the Phantom only speaks to you in the foyer and stretch
room. It's in French anyway, so if you don't understand it you're out of
luck. Incidentally, Vincent Price did the original Phantom narration in
English, but it was quickly replaced after the French complained.

It's interesting to note that the floor design of the ride is almost
identical to Disneyland. The elevator has rightfully returned to the
stretch room. Yes, you do go down at Disneyland Paris. There is also
the tunnel where the changing pictures have been returned (they were left
out in Florida). The "basement" is dug into the hill, the tunnel then
goes beneath some trees behind which the show building is hidden. The
tunnel does NOT go beneath the railroad tracks, the entire attraction is
contained within the railroad, and interestingly enough, the Grand Canyon
Diorama is housed in the same building as Phantom Manor. This makes for
two "canyons" in one building, the Grand Canyon and Phantom Canyon.

It is remarkable how much the building design is identical to
Disneyland. The same elevator and tunnel concepts lead into buildings
that are about the same size and shape. The doom buggies follow the same
path through the building, and the room sizes are mostly the same.
However, the actual set design (what's in the rooms) is always at least
substantially different. The hall of doors, the lady in the crystal
ball, the ballroom, the piano player, they're all there, but they're all
different. One of the biggest differences is in the color scheming - a
lot more natural (translate: western) tones are used in Phantom Manor. A
couple of scenes, like the graveyard and the attic, have been re-vamped
completely. The hitchhiking ghosts have been replaced by the Phantom,
who haunts every car.

One of the nicest things about Phantom Manor is the soundtrack. It's
almost completely different. It's full-orchestra, classical, romantic in
some places, dramatic in others. Like in Pirates of the Carribbean and
It's a Small World, there are many different tracks and they are all
played in synch, so the same song changes as you progress through the
ride. I forget the name of the man who did the new soundtrack but he did
an outstanding job. I've been fortunate enough to obtain 12 of the
tracks and I enjoy them tremendously.

There are a few problems, but overall I give Phantom Manor an A++++++.
My congratulations to everybody who worked on it, I LIKED IT, and I'm
looking forward to experiencing (and hopefully designing) more
attractions of the same quality.

Oh, and if you'd like some ideas on how to work out the bugs, I've got
those too. :)

I'll gladly answer any questions anybody has on Phantom Manor the best I can.

---Regan B. Pederson, Future Imagineer #1
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Rich_Car...@cup.portal.com

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(This is from Carol:)

Yoo Hoo, Regan!

Thank you for the WONDERFUL post about the DL and WDW Haunted
Mansions and Disneyland Paris' Phantom Manor! It's a keeper!

--Carol Koster ()~() carol...@cup.portal.com
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"....Scourge of Whispering Canyon..." --Graham Allan, Dis' 'n' Dat,
October 1994, Volume 2 Number 10, Page 6 "A Life in the Day of
rec.arts.disney"

* About Madame Leota:
* "She has a remarkable head for materializing the disembodied."
* -Ghost Host

Claude Nichols

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Jan 24, 1995, 1:43:30 PM1/24/95
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Claude Nichols (cla...@vcd.hp.com) wrote:
: Rich_Car...@cup.portal.com wrote:
: : (This is from Carol:)

: : Yoo Hoo, Regan!

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Lord Jonin

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Jan 24, 1995, 5:35:42 PM1/24/95
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Randall P. (rand...@rain.org) blurted:
: The rumor that the figure at the conclusion of the Haunted Mansion is
: Ann-Margaret has been around since the attraction opened. There is a
: superficial resemblance, but it is NOT Ann-Margaret. It just sounds a
: heck of a lot like her!

Since we be on the subject of the Sounds and such of the HM, is there any
CD or such that has all the various songs and/or sound-effects from the
ride? I know there is one cd that has the quartet, but how about the organ
music in the waiting room, or the dance hall? (etc..)

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Don Bertino

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Jan 24, 1995, 6:01:27 PM1/24/95
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In article <joninD2...@netcom.com>, Lord Jonin <jo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Randall P. (rand...@rain.org) blurted:
>: The rumor that the figure at the conclusion of the Haunted Mansion is
>: Ann-Margaret has been around since the attraction opened. There is a
>: superficial resemblance, but it is NOT Ann-Margaret. It just sounds a
>: heck of a lot like her!
>
>Since we be on the subject of the Sounds and such of the HM, is there any
>CD or such that has all the various songs and/or sound-effects from the
>ride? I know there is one cd that has the quartet, but how about the organ
>music in the waiting room, or the dance hall? (etc..)

That would be great! Actually I have a 45 from the HM with Ron Howard,
being one of the two kids walking thru the HM. I am sure some of the
song effects are on it. (I haven't listen to it in years)

FYI, I have some .wav files and the complete script from the HM in
my FTP site.

Claude Nichols

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Jan 24, 1995, 6:27:16 PM1/24/95
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I do believe I am going to scream!

I apologize for all these weird posts...something is not
right at all...

I just wanted to second what Carol said.

Very informative posting! I printed and kept it.

Daniel E. Hoyt

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Jan 24, 1995, 8:33:03 PM1/24/95
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In the DW HM, the area between the exit and the entrance is only about 20
feet, around a corner and there are the people waiting to get on.

Dan Hoyt
Central Michigan University
<daniel...@cmich.edu>

Claude Nichols

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Jan 24, 1995, 12:34:15 PM1/24/95
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Rich_Car...@cup.portal.com wrote:
: (This is from Carol:)

: Yoo Hoo, Regan!

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Michael A. Deforest

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Jan 25, 1995, 11:50:45 PM1/25/95
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Both "Madam Leota" and "Little Leota" use the faces of Disney imagineer (I've
also heard costumer) Leota Thomas. Thomas is the voice of "Little Leota" at
the end of the attraction. Elenor Audley is the voice of Madam Leota (also
Maleficient and Lady Tremain). I believe that Madam Leota's face is projected
from INSIDE the head (at one time the whole table used to move) using fiber
optics. Little Leota's projector is located on one of the tombstone-looking
objects alongside the escalator. Try waving your hand in front of it next
time!!!!!


Michael DeForest


chase ray ( ba vpaf)

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Jan 26, 1995, 2:45:07 AM1/26/95
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Excuse me if this has already been established...my database...
is currently mucked up........

In WDW, the ceiling stretches, the room remains stationary...I know
this number one cause it's in a magazine I have about the F/X of the
haunted mansion...also on one occasion, the cast member didn't shut the
chamber door all the way, and as the room stretched this big opening
was visable so we waved like crazed monkeys at the people coming into
the foyer/lobby/fireplace area.quickley seeing the mistake...the cast
member zealouly shut the door........

If anyone's puzzled on how the ballroom scene is done I'd me more than
happy to try to explain.....you may want to e-mail directly though as
I said my database is mucked up and I'm having trouble getting on
R.A.D....this is my first succesful attempt in weeks.

J.T.Toad


Michael B.©

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Jan 30, 1995, 7:09:06 PM1/30/95
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In article <bertinoD...@netcom.com>, ber...@netcom.com (Don

Bertino) wrote:
> That would be great! Actually I have a 45 from the HM with Ron Howard,
> being one of the two kids walking thru the HM. I am sure some of the
> song effects are on it. (I haven't listen to it in years)

Actually, the LP has the Ron Howard character, song, etc. The 45 is
actually pretty lame--just a female narrator reading the text of the
accompanying booklet. If only Disney would release those LPs on CD...

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Don Bertino

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Feb 2, 1995, 3:11:12 PM2/2/95
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In article <Michael_Bergman-...@160.3.140.168>,

Michael B.© <Michael...@aimla.com> wrote:
>In article <bertinoD...@netcom.com>, ber...@netcom.com (Don
>Bertino) wrote:
>> That would be great! Actually I have a 45 from the HM with Ron Howard,
>> being one of the two kids walking thru the HM. I am sure some of the
>> song effects are on it. (I haven't listen to it in years)
>
>Actually, the LP has the Ron Howard character, song, etc. The 45 is
>actually pretty lame--just a female narrator reading the text of the
>accompanying booklet. If only Disney would release those LPs on CD...

Hi Micheal!

I think we are talking about different versions here. My 45 has Ron Howard
and girl walking thru the HM. I am going to type up the lyrics to it as
well as the tour of POTC.

Matthew Pearce

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Feb 2, 1995, 3:47:14 PM2/2/95
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Now if you receive a TV station that broadcasts Brady Bunch reruns,
you could tape them until the episode where the family goes to DL is
broadcast (I think part of the episode takes place in the HM).

Toby

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Feb 2, 1995, 6:42:55 PM2/2/95
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The Brady Buncy went to Disneyland, and I missed it. I remember them going to
an amusement park, but not Disneyland. Groovy Marcia.

Bil

Matthew Pearce

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Feb 2, 1995, 7:46:57 PM2/2/95
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William Hoyt Morrill (bmo...@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:

: The Brady Buncy went to Disneyland, and I missed it. I remember them going to


: an amusement park, but not Disneyland. Groovy Marcia.

: Bil

Bil,

I could be wrong. I'm just not going to waste my VCR on reruns of the BB.

Toby
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Feb 3, 1995, 12:01:34 AM2/3/95
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It isn't worth it. I was a big Brady Bunch fan (he says from a dark room)
But there is better stuff on TDC to record.
Bil

Doug Krause

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Feb 3, 1995, 7:32:16 AM2/3/95
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In article <3grgci$4...@crl10.crl.com>, Matthew Pearce <mpe...@crl.com> wrote:
#Now if you receive a TV station that broadcasts Brady Bunch reruns,
#you could tape them until the episode where the family goes to DL is
#broadcast (I think part of the episode takes place in the HM).

The Bradys did NOT go to Disneyland. It was King's Island.

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Feb 3, 1995, 10:49:51 PM2/3/95
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Eric B. <nobl...@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> writes:

>Having gone down the DL HM gallery dozens of times (and UP once thanks to a
>cooperative CM), I'd say the DL version goes down by elevator AND the
>ceiling goes up as well. Consider this dismaying observation: The chamber
>ceiling continues to stretch upward once the elevator floor has "settled"
>(sometimes you can hardly feel it, other times it's quite a jerk.)

In Disney World the ceiling rises, as can be proven when you enter and exit
the room you will notice that the floor is all one, there is no space in the
floor or the carpet. Therefore the floor cannot be lowered.

Joseph LaRocca

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sch...@delphi.com wrote:
>
> Eric B. <nobl...@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> writes:
>
> >Having gone down the DL HM gallery dozens of times (and UP once thanks to a
> >cooperative CM),

I would agree with your observations..

David Brady

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Feb 5, 1995, 1:11:47 PM2/5/95
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In a previous article, bmo...@oregon.uoregon.edu (William Hoyt Morrill) says:

>In article <3grgci$4...@crl10.crl.com>, mpe...@crl.com (Matthew Pearce) writes:
>>Now if you receive a TV station that broadcasts Brady Bunch reruns,
>>you could tape them until the episode where the family goes to DL is
>>broadcast (I think part of the episode takes place in the HM).
>

>The Brady Buncy went to Disneyland, and I missed it. I remember them going to
>an amusement park, but not Disneyland. Groovy Marcia.


WRONG. "The Brady Bunch" never went to Disneyland. They shot an episode
at King's Island amusement park in Cincinnati. It's the one where the
family has to race back and forth across the park to find a set of
architectural plans that have gone missing. REPEAT: IT IS *NOT* DISNEYLAND.

David Zack

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Feb 20, 1995, 1:28:40 AM2/20/95
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>WRONG. "The Brady Bunch" never went to Disneyland. They shot an >episode
>at King's Island amusement park in Cincinnati. It's the one where the
>family has to race back and forth across the park to find a set of
>architectural plans that have gone missing. REPEAT: IT IS *NOT*
>DISNEYLAND.

Why didn't they just film at a theme park closer to California. By the
way, I've been to Kings Island (I now live about 20 mins. away), and I
didn't recognize the place.

DAZ

michael

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Feb 20, 1995, 1:43:30 PM2/20/95
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In article <3i9cqo$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davi...@aol.com (David
Zack) wrote:

>
> Why didn't they just film at a theme park closer to California. By the
> way, I've been to Kings Island (I now live about 20 mins. away), and I
> didn't recognize the place.
>
> DAZ
>

actually, I believe that the Brady Bunch filmed the episode at Six Flags
Magic Mountain in Valencia, California. I could be wrong, but I am pretty
sure that that is where it was filmed. In addition, this theme park is
only 30 minutes from Hollywood.

Michael

Austin George Loomis

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Feb 20, 1995, 2:46:21 PM2/20/95
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In article <1995Feb5....@lafn.org>, somebody whose attribution has

been swallowed by the Ghost Host wrote:
>>WRONG. "The Brady Bunch" never went to Disneyland. They shot an >episode
>>at King's Island amusement park in Cincinnati. It's the one where the
>>family has to race back and forth across the park to find a set of
>>architectural plans that have gone missing. REPEAT: IT IS *NOT*
>>DISNEYLAND.
>

Then, in article <3i9cqo$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,


David Zack <davi...@aol.com> wrote:
>Why didn't they just film at a theme park closer to California. By the
>way, I've been to Kings Island (I now live about 20 mins. away), and I
>didn't recognize the place.
>

Well, according to Barry Williams' tell-all bio GROWING UP BRADY: I WAS A
TEENAGE GREG, the reason they went to Kings Island is because the park had
just lately opened and was fairly begging for publicity. His stories about
the Brady family and their filming crew having to stay in a grubby motel
(since the park wasn't in full swing and thus hadn't caused googobs of
hotel construction in the area) made me chuckle (though what made me laugh
out loud was his account of trying to rehearse a scene while stoned out of
his gourd on some truly dynamite jimsonweed).

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Magic Kingdom, scaring the tourists out of their Bermudas unto eternity.
"This would be a good death...good enough." (Apologies to Frank Miller)
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Doug Krause

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Feb 20, 1995, 7:43:55 PM2/20/95
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In article <mpr434-2002...@jon107060.res-hall.nwu.edu>,
michael <mpr...@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> wrote:
#actually, I believe that the Brady Bunch filmed the episode at Six Flags
#Magic Mountain in Valencia, California. I could be wrong, but I am pretty
#sure that that is where it was filmed. In addition, this theme park is
#only 30 minutes from Hollywood.

Nope. Wally World in "National Lampoon's Vacation" was Magic
Mountain in real life, but the Brady's traveled a wee bit further.

Tory Klementsen

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Feb 20, 1995, 9:49:16 PM2/20/95
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In article <mpr434-2002...@jon107060.res-hall.nwu.edu>,
mpr...@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (michael) wrote:

> In article <3i9cqo$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davi...@aol.com (David
> Zack) wrote:
>
> >
> > Why didn't they just film at a theme park closer to California. By the
> > way, I've been to Kings Island (I now live about 20 mins. away), and I
> > didn't recognize the place.
> >

The person who originally asked may have been thinking of the Osmonds.
They made a special at Disneyland.

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