Help needed identifying fake TLM and Cinderella
Cynthia Bourden
but I am concerned that they may be pirated versions.
Clues:
1. The colour insert in the plastic video cover of the
Cinderella does not have round corners as the rest of my
disney classics do. Was Cinderella an exception? If not,
it probably means that it is a photocopy.
2. Both tapes have title stickers on the tapes, instead
of having the title and copywrite information written
directly on the tape in white print as the rest of my
videos do, Again, were TLM and Cinderella exceptions? The
stickers look genuine, but they do not properly fit the space
provided.
If anyone that has TLM and Cinderella, would they mind checking
their videos and getting back to me, I would really appreciate
it.
Or if anyone has other hints as to how I can tell if they are
authentic, thanks.
erud...@pica.army.mil
>I have been offered used VHS copies of TLM and Cinderella,
>but I am concerned that they may be pirated versions.
>
>Clues:
>1. The colour insert in the plastic video cover of the
>Cinderella does not have round corners as the rest of my
>disney classics do. Was Cinderella an exception? If not,
>it probably means that it is a photocopy.
Some of the earlier video releases had inserts with square corners.
I think these also had a hologram of a movie camera on the insert.
TLM should have round corners.
Does the Cinderella insert have colored "corners" or "white"
corners? The "white" corners, at least on TLM, result from an insert
with rounded corners being copied onto normal shhets of paper.
>2. Both tapes have title stickers on the tapes, instead
>of having the title and copywrite information written
>directly on the tape in white print as the rest of my
>videos do, Again, were TLM and Cinderella exceptions? The
>stickers look genuine, but they do not properly fit the space
>provided.
Again, some of the older Disney videos had stickers. These I think
had red as well as black print on the white label.
TLM should NOT have a sticker, but should have the information
printed in white ink directly onto the videocassette. Also check for
the "BVHV" marking on the side of the cassette, which is impressed
into the plastic and filled with red ink:
________________________
|________________________|
| |
| ___________ |
| | | |
"BVHV" here ->| |___________| |
|________________________|
Also, is the tape significantly longer than the movie? Most bootlegs
are done on T-120s, while real tapes use only a bit more tape than
the length of the film (82 minutes for TLM).
Ed Rudnicki El-Katib erud...@pica.army.mil
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»but I am concerned that they may be pirated versions.
I bet you are! I would be as well.
»Clues:
»1. The colour insert in the plastic video cover of the
»Cinderella does not have round corners as the rest of my
»disney classics do. Was Cinderella an exception? If not,
»it probably means that it is a photocopy.
Clue #1
»2. Both tapes have title stickers on the tapes, instead
»of having the title and copywrite information written
»directly on the tape in white print as the rest of my
»videos do, Again, were TLM and Cinderella exceptions? The
»stickers look genuine, but they do not properly fit the space
»provided.
BIG CLUE #2
»If anyone that has TLM and Cinderella, would they mind checking
»their videos and getting back to me, I would really appreciate
»it.
THESE ARE BOOTLEG! <pardon the caps, but emphasis was needed here!>
Christina
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Ed Sterrett
Bourden) writes:
>
>I have been offered used VHS copies of TLM and Cinderella,
>but I am concerned that they may be pirated versions.
>
>Clues:
>1. The colour insert in the plastic video cover of the
>Cinderella does not have round corners as the rest of my
>disney classics do. Was Cinderella an exception? If not,
>it probably means that it is a photocopy.
I know of no exceptions. Take a close look at the fine print on the
cover- chances are that it will be somewhat blurred if it is a
photocopy.
>2. Both tapes have title stickers on the tapes, instead
>of having the title and copywrite information written
>directly on the tape in white print as the rest of my
>videos do, Again, were TLM and Cinderella exceptions? The
>stickers look genuine, but they do not properly fit the space
>provided.
The only exceptions I am aware of are the earlier Disney Cartoon
Classics videos. Every Disney video I own as old as TLM (Including the
Sebastian Sing-a-long) have the title info and the standard FBI warning
printed in white ink directly on the cassette, not a sticker or label. I
would think this would be the standard for all Buena Vista Home Video
releases since then.
>Or if anyone has other hints as to how I can tell if they are
>authentic, thanks.
Another thing I've noticed about Disney videos (I just went and checked
my daughter's collection) ;) -- on the left side of the cassette
(cassette oriented as if you were about to insert it into a VCR), you
should see the letters "BVHV" (as in Buena Vista Home Video) _engraved_
there.
You might also look for the 'seal' on the clamshell- a grey sticker that
says 'Walt Disney Home Video'.. granted, these can be easily removed,
but it's something to look for. ;)
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erud...@pica.army.mil
>Another thing I've noticed about Disney videos (I just went and checked
>my daughter's collection) ;) -- on the left side of the cassette
>(cassette oriented as if you were about to insert it into a VCR), you
>should see the letters "BVHV" (as in Buena Vista Home Video) _engraved_
>there.
The "BVHV" is impressed into the plastic and filled with red ink or
paint. Also, there should be dot matrix printing on the side of the
cassette opposite the tape door.
>You might also look for the 'seal' on the clamshell- a grey sticker that
>says 'Walt Disney Home Video'.. granted, these can be easily removed,
>but it's something to look for. ;)
The absence of the "Walt Disney Home Video" sticker used to be a
dead giveaway for bootlegs. This is no longer the case. I saw the
usual vendors in NYC the week before Christmas with fake Disney
videos with the stickers under the shrink wrap.
So now the best diagnostic is the "white corners" I mentioned in a
previous posting. The shrink wrapping might be flimsy as well. And
of course if it's in a black clamshell box it's a fake - sometimes
they run out of the white ones :)
Li-Chueng A Fong
writes:
I have been offered used VHS copies of TLM and Cinderella,
but I am concerned that they may be pirated versions.
I bet you are! I would be as well.
Clues:
1. The colour insert in the plastic video cover of the
Cinderella does not have round corners as the rest of my
disney classics do. Was Cinderella an exception? If not,
it probably means that it is a photocopy.
Clue #1
2. Both tapes have title stickers on the tapes, instead
of having the title and copywrite information written
directly on the tape in white print as the rest of my
videos do, Again, were TLM and Cinderella exceptions? The
stickers look genuine, but they do not properly fit the space
provided.
BIG CLUE #2
If anyone that has TLM and Cinderella, would they mind checking
their videos and getting back to me, I would really appreciate
it.
THESE ARE BOOTLEG! <pardon the caps, but emphasis was needed here!>
--actually, only TLM is a bootleg copy; I looked at my copies of TLM and
Cinderella, both of which I bought from PRICE CLUB (ie. if Price Club were
caught selling bootleg copies, major lawsuit from Disney, and Disney could have
gotten lots of money from them)
Cinderella--mine also has a white sticker that doesn't fit properly.
Also, my Cinderella doesn't have round corners like my other tapes. However, I
looked at ALL my tapes and discovered that my Mary Poppins, Dumbo, and Alice in
Wonderland (all which I bought when it first came out 5-7 years ago at PRICE
CLUB [before Disney redid them and made them a part of the Masterpiece
Collection) also did not have round corners
Claude Nichols
: THESE ARE BOOTLEG! <pardon the caps, but emphasis was needed here!>
HOLD ON HERE FOLKS! SLOOOOOWWW DOOOWWWNNN!
Cinderella is *THE* exception!
Cinderella **DOES** have square corners on the insert!
Cinderella **DOES** have a sticker on the cassette that doesn't
fit properly (too big)!
And Cinderella **DOES** have a small 1/2" round hologram sticker
of a movie camera both on the cassette and the case.
The other Disney Classic with a sticker on the cassette is BAMBI.
(DuckTales Treasure of the Lost Lamp, and Three Caballeros, too)
My *real* copy of The Little Mermaid has:
The title printed on the cassette itself, no sticker.
It has a "plaid" texture to the top side of the cassette itself.
It has printing on the side of the cassette that says "summer lead 1990"
followed by a bunch of numbers.
It also has "BVHV" stamped/ engraved on the side of the cassette in
orange lettering. LOOK FOR THIS! No hologram stickers on this one at all.
Repeat after me...Cinderella is the exception....
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Susan C. Mitchell
: So now the best diagnostic is the "white corners" I mentioned in a
: previous posting. The shrink wrapping might be flimsy as well. And
: of course if it's in a black clamshell box it's a fake - sometimes
: they run out of the white ones :)
Sometimes *who* run out of the white ones? B-) My copy of FANTASIA is
in a black clamshell, and I got it at K-Mart! (Was it the only one
released in a black box?)
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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Victoria Gilliam
interested? (Also if there is any other Disney tape that is hard to
find, ask me, I'll try to locate it....supposedly there is a video store
(NEW tapes) down here that still has TLM & more.)
Vycke'
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erud...@pica.army.mil
>My *real* copy of The Little Mermaid has:
>The title printed on the cassette itself, no sticker.
>It has a "plaid" texture to the top side of the cassette itself.
>It has printing on the side of the cassette that says "summer lead 1990"
> followed by a bunch of numbers.
The printing may vary. One of my copies has the "summer lead 1990"
and such. The other, presumably made later, says something very
different. The printing is by a dot matrix ink printer. Bootlegs
will not have anything here.
erud...@pica.army.mil
>erud...@Pica.Army.Mil wrote:
>
>: So now the best diagnostic is the "white corners" I mentioned in a
>: previous posting. The shrink wrapping might be flimsy as well. And
>: of course if it's in a black clamshell box it's a fake - sometimes
>: they run out of the white ones :)
>
>in a black clamshell, and I got it at K-Mart! (Was it the only one
>released in a black box?)
I should have said that my comment on the box was based on looking at
TLM at the bootleg vendors' stands in NYC. I've never seen a real
TLM in a black box, but the pirates have it in both black and white
boxes.
The copy of BatB in the deluxe boxed set I purchased recently is in
a black box, while my "normal" copy is in a white box. The cover art
differs too.
I don't know about "Fantasia". Didn't like it; didn't buy it :)
Vanessa C. Samuelson
: I may be able to find NEW VHS copies of TLM & BatB...would anyone be
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?????? I would be eternally grateful if you
could find TLM for me, and I would (almost) just keel over and die if you
could find Bambi. Please?
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Claude Nichols
: I don't know about "Fantasia". Didn't like it; didn't buy it :)
Ditto here, too. But my friend has it and it's in a BLACK box,
as are all the ones I've seen on store shelves.
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Eric J. Henwood-Greer
In a previous article, dc...@ix.netcom.com (Ed Sterrett) says:
>In <3gludc$l...@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca> cbou...@bmerha6f.bnr.ca (Cynthia
>Bourden) writes:
>
>>
>>I have been offered used VHS copies of TLM and Cinderella,
>>but I am concerned that they may be pirated versions.
>>
>>Clues:
>>1. The colour insert in the plastic video cover of the
>>Cinderella does not have round corners as the rest of my
>>disney classics do. Was Cinderella an exception? If not,
>>it probably means that it is a photocopy.
>
>I know of no exceptions. Take a close look at the fine print on the
>cover- chances are that it will be somewhat blurred if it is a
>photocopy.
AH hA!! Their ARE exceptions! My ALICE IN WONDERLAND and CINDERELLA
(which I both got in about 1988) both have straight edges... (though the
newer AIW's have round corners) They started rounding the corners with
about BAMBI or PETER PAN on wards...
>The only exceptions I am aware of are the earlier Disney Cartoon
>Classics videos. Every Disney video I own as old as TLM (Including the
>Sebastian Sing-a-long) have the title info and the standard FBI warning
>printed in white ink directly on the cassette, not a sticker or label. I
>would think this would be the standard for all Buena Vista Home Video
>releases since then.
Right! THough TLM DOES have a sticker label as do (I think) a couple
later videos abut after a little while they were all stamped on
--
Debra Cebulski
: Victoria Gilliam (z009...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us) wrote:
: : I may be able to find NEW VHS copies of TLM & BatB...would anyone be
: : interested? (Also if there is any other Disney tape that is hard to
: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?????? I would be eternally grateful if you
: could find TLM for me, and I would (almost) just keel over and die if you
: could find Bambi. Please?
Same here -- my sister loves the movie, and while she was babysitting,
one of the little monsters fried her copy -- literally.
Thanks!!!
Kero.
Kerowyn shena Tale'sedrin email: ker...@hall.pn.com
Susan C. Mitchell
: Vanessa C. Samuelson (vc...@Ra.MsState.Edu) wrote:
: : Victoria Gilliam (z009...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us) wrote:
: : : I may be able to find NEW VHS copies of TLM & BatB...would anyone be
: : : interested? (Also if there is any other Disney tape that is hard to
: : PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE?????? I would be eternally grateful if you
: : could find TLM for me, and I would (almost) just keel over and die if you
: : could find Bambi. Please?
: Same here -- my sister loves the movie, and while she was babysitting,
: one of the little monsters fried her copy -- literally.
So did she fry the child in question, or just bill its parents for the
*current* price of a copy of TLM?
: Thanks!!!
: Kero.
: Kerowyn shena Tale'sedrin email: ker...@hall.pn.com
Seeing a Shin'a'in name on RAD reminded me of something I've been
thinking of lately: would you trust Disney to do animated versions of
Misty's stories? The reason I think of animation is that even warsteeds
and bondbirds would be difficult to film in live-action: Companions and
_hertasi_ would be even harder, and gryphons all but impossible. (I
know, I know: would *Disney* be willing to animate the Last Herald-Mage
trilogy?)