Cleavage and Disney Heroines
James Fleming
says:
> Having recently watched _Snow_White_, I couldn't help but notice
>the drastic changes that have taken place over the years. Snowie had the
>figure as well as the voice and attitude of an eleven-year-old, and the
>prince should have been ashamed. Briar Rose (Sleeping Beauty) had the
>formidable pointy bustline that only an extremely sturdy foundation
>garment could provide. Years later, we have Belle and Jasmine, with actual
>cleavage, not to mention the "bimbette" triplets in _Beauty_And_The_Beast
>who have more bounce than a superball, and the various veiled vixens in
>Aladdin. And let's not forget Jessica Rabbit, a cariacture of the unreal
>shape.
> The guys, though, are given much less attention. Aladdin, for all
>that he runs around in skimpy open vests, seems to have the chest of a Ken
>doll. At least Gaston has chest hair and King Triton has nipples.
> No, I'm not obsessed with cartoon chests. It just seems that way.
> Christine.
Naught dat ol' Uncle Remus mine's da new cowrse've Disney an'mashun
, 'e don't. Jus' dat 'e wondas wot Missah Disney (as I always done shone
my 'spect fo' 'im) wooda thawt 'bout da way 'is cawtooners a drawin' dese
days. I 'membah when FANTASIA come awt an' Missah Disney said, "Lose dem
nipples fro' dem Greek satyrs. We cain't 'ave none dat 'n one my cawtoons.
Now sho', dem howse ladies were a tad mought bar-breast'd, but dat wuz an
"awtistic indevor" inta da "new-age" of entratainmen'. Missah Disney
'ad sum limts den, I'se jus' a won'drin wot 'e'd say now, I do. Dat's all
I'se gonna say. Time ta go dow' ta da river, check awt mah fishin' line,
see'f dat ol' Brer Fox done run off wid mah ketch 'gin.
Jim
FDC (wanna-be) Uncle Remus &
Captain of Trans. on the Sassagoula
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Evil Homer
"cross-your-heart" look is very 50's, and the jiggle factor of the late
80's heroines is also indicative of the fashion of the times. I do think,
that the animators have been slipping more and more sexuality into the
films though. Ironic really, that amidst all of the "family values" lip
service that Disney PR types continually burnish, we get animated
sequences that are clearly intended to appeal to adult males in a less
than holsome way.
By the way, Jessica Rabbit appeared nude in French Penthouse a number of
years ago. This was a feature "photo-spread" with a number of poses.
Could this have possibly been sanctioned by the company? Jus' wundering.
the BETTER clark
: Having recently watched _Snow_White_, I couldn't help but notice
: prince should have been ashamed. Briar Rose (Sleeping Beauty) had the
and a waistline 5" around.
: garment could provide. Years later, we have Belle and Jasmine, with actual
and waistlines 5" around.
: cleavage, not to mention the "bimbette" triplets in _Beauty_And_The_Beast
and waistlines 5" around.
: Aladdin. And let's not forget Jessica Rabbit, a cariacture of the unreal
: shape.
and a waistline 5" around. (hyper support too! inserts, IMHO)
: that he runs around in skimpy open vests, seems to have the chest of a Ken
: doll. At least Gaston has chest hair and King Triton has nipples.
and waistlines---....
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(2) No, the Company did not sanction the Jessica layout in the French
Penthouse. Indeed, they sued and the offending issue was removed from
distribution... but not until several thousand emminently collectible
copies got out.
Rick Trethewey
Rainbo Animation Art
Christopher Motherway
: Part of this fashion. Snow White has a 30's silouette, Sleeping Beauty's
: "cross-your-heart" look is very 50's, and the jiggle factor of the late
: 80's heroines is also indicative of the fashion of the times. I do think,
: that the animators have been slipping more and more sexuality into the
: films though. Ironic really, that amidst all of the "family values" lip
: service that Disney PR types continually burnish, we get animated
: sequences that are clearly intended to appeal to adult males in a less
: than holsome way.
Oh, yes. But, then again, consider the heroines they were working with here:
first of all, "The Little Mermaid". Mermaids, according to legends, are
supposed to be beautiful creatures. So creating Ariel the way she was was all
the animators could do to keep up the image. The only thing was they made her
(and the other mermaids in the film) a tad more decent by adding the shell-bras
This way, she was both beautiful AND still maintain a "G" rating. :)
The there's "Beauty and the Beast"'s Belle. "Her name means `beauty'". So
there you go. As for her wardrobe, the most 'sexual' thing she wore was the
ball gown. And, "after all,...this is France", and when have you NOT heard of
the French creating rather scandelous clothing, even in Belle's timeframe?
Then there's Jasmine. Princesses in the Arabian Knights tales were supposed to
be beautiful without compare. And there clothes? Hey, it's the desert! Less
is more!
But, I agree about the "less-than-wholesome way" of the appeal. I think it's
some kind of a ploy to lure young adults (like myself) into coming back to the
theaters for Disney films. Whereas films like "Great Mouse Detective" and
"Oliver and Co." appealed to youths (and hardcord Disney and animation fans)
alone, the ladies of "Aladdin", "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast"
appeals to EVERYBODY, regaurdless of age, gender, or level of "macho-ism"!
I oughta know; I came THIS CLOSE to going to see TLM in the theaters! :)
Chris Wolvie mot...@sunrise.cse.fau.edu
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Linda G. Brashear
Hi Disneynet!
Waitaminute! Great Mouse Detective was wholesome? What
about that burlesque show in the middle? What about a mouse dressed
all in blue singing "I'll take off all my blues?" Smut, I tell you!
Smut! :-) (magnify that smiley *big time*)
Linda
President, Walt Disney Studios
Character Voices
The future Walt Disney Co. Cabinet
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"The Lord is my strength and my song, and He has become my salvation"
--Exodus 15:2
the BETTER clark
(snip)
: 80's heroines is also indicative of the fashion of the times. I do think,
: that the animators have been slipping more and more sexuality into the
: films though. Ironic really, that amidst all of the "family values" lip
"Jafarrrrrrrrrr.....>>swing swing<<.....**flutter eyelashes**
Joseinc1
"Casey Bats Again", or Milt Kahl's Sluefoot Sue from "Pecos Bill"? Wow.
Guess different times call for different representions (in this case of
sexy women).
Evil Homer
Matthew Pearce
: "Jafarrrrrrrrrr.....>>swing swing<<.....**flutter eyelashes**
Or my favorite lines from Sebastain:
"You have to bat your eyes like this. You have to pucker your lips
like this..."
Toby
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Tim & Christine Morgan
busty side, especially the can-can dancers. But the Blue Fairy was quite
modestly built.
I agree, the movies are putting more emphasis on sexuality. In
BatB, not only does the feather duster turn into a juicy stocking-clad
maid, but there is the buxom lady in town and the baker gets clouted on
the head for staring down her cleavage (bonjour -- good day -- how is your
wife? -- WHACK!)
But then, cartoons have been doing this for years. The silhouette
of the babe against the window, then revealed to be a snaggletoothed
wretch with a good bod ... the desert princess who is curvy but veiled and
the men compete for her until they get a peek under the veil ... we've
been here before.
Christine
Tim & Christine Morgan
Or Ursula:
"You'll have your looks, your pretty face. And don't
underestimate the importance of ... BODY LANGUAGE!"
Christine
Susannah Mandel
: Christine
Now, hey! You all have been forgetting what is perhaps the most
outrageously suggestive scene in *any* Disney film... an outright
seduction, as we watch! Yes, folks, I'm talking about... heh... Nala
and Simba. I mean, now *that's* sensuality for you. :)
One of the clubs on campus screened "The Lion King" last
weekend, and there was, of course, a certain amount of audience reaction
and participation; I mean, we're a bit of a rowdy bunch :), and it's a
fun movie. Timon's one-liners get big laughs, as did the nail-filing
and "Oy!" bits, and the stupid food-chain jokes, and especially the
infamous idiscussion-under-the-stars joke; and naturally Timon's brilliant
impromptu drag turn to Spike Jones's "Hawaiian War-Chant" brings down
the house. But... the single *biggest* reaction of the night came
during the frolicking-in-the-forest montage, "Can You Feel The Love
Tonight" playing in the background. A bit of a dull scene, really;
people start to tune out; but then.... Well, Nala licks Simba's jaw;
a few "oooh"s from the audience. Simba's eyes widen in shock; the
audience laughs.
And then we cut suddenly to Simba's viewpoint, with Nala lying
underneath him, head raised from the long grass; and she *makes eyes* at
him, smiles mysteriously and invitingly, and settles her head back slowly
into the grass.
The audience absolutely *explodes*. Cheers, laughter,
wolf-whistles, applause, shouts of "OH yeah!" and "Go for it!", and
"Ooooh, bay-BEE!" from all sides. I mean, shoot... we all *know* what
that scene promises! There is only one interpretation for the
expression of those eyes. We're college kids; we're prurient, but sure
not stupid; and we know sex when we see it. ;)
Now. That's probably one of my favorite scenes from 'The Lion
King', and I think it was gorgeously done -- very funny, rather
touching... and don't forget to give credit for animation that *can* let
you read a vamp act in the expression on the face of a lion! There was
enormous affection between the two characters involved, the male was shy
to the point of being funny... well, I think it was... cute! Very cute.
In fact, Nala is one the female Disney charcters who pisses me off the
least, for a variety of reasons. (Of course, she conveniently *happens*
to be a member of a species whose social structure absolutely demands
the submission of all females to the lone leader male, in accordance
with the law of nature. But that's just lions; that has nothing to do
with Disney's views on the matter!... ;)
But, anyway. If you want sex. There it *is*.
(And then they go screw under the waterfall, while Timon
and Puumba bawl their eyes out!! Poor babies. At least they still have
each other. ;)
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Juan F. Lara
Susannah Mandel <sma...@course2.harvard.edu> wrote:
>Now, hey! You all have been forgetting what is perhaps the most
>outrageously suggestive scene in *any* Disney film... an outright
>seduction, as we watch! Yes, folks, I'm talking about... heh... Nala
>and Simba. I mean, now *that's* sensuality for you. :)
> But, anyway. If you want sex. There it *is*.
IMHO, the most suggestive scene in a Disney film are Tod and Vixey's
scenes in "The Fox and the Hound". Both characters seemed hormone driven in
their behavior more than anything else, with Vixey very eager to get a mate
and Tod's attraction to her having very sexual overtones. And then there's
their "morning after" scene when they wake up from the same burrow.
I think the exotic dancer mouse's scene in "The Great Mouse Detective"
comes a close second.
( BTW: I've also heard that in "Lady in the Tramp" Lady and Tramp mated
on the evening of their big date, and that the film is unambiguous about that
point. But I haven't seen the film in years. Does anyone know for sure? )
- Juan F. Lara
Tod: You know, I've never been happier.
Vixey: Oh me, neither, Tod. ( nuzzle )
Raymond Wu
sma...@course2.harvard.edu (Susannah Mandel) wrote...
> Now, hey! You all have been forgetting what is perhaps
> the most outrageously suggestive scene in *any* Disney
> film... an outright seduction, as we watch! Yes, folks,
> I'm talking about... heh... Nala and Simba. I mean, now
> *that's* sensuality for you. :)
Yes, I would have to agree this was the most blatant
"sex scene" yet from WD Feature Animation. Hopefully
this is a sign that Disney is moving toward more mature
(but not necessarily adult, mind you) ideas for its
animated films. Only makes you wonder what other coy
scenes Disney has up her collective sleeve.
> One of the clubs on campus screened "The Lion King" last
> weekend, and there was, of course, a certain amount of
> audience reaction and participation; I mean, we're a bit
> of a rowdy bunch :), and it's a fun movie. Timon's one-
> liners get big laughs, as did the nail-filing and "Oy!"
> bits, and the stupid food-chain jokes, and especially the
> infamous discussion-under-the-stars joke; and naturally
> Timon's brilliant impromptu drag turn to Spike Jones's
> "Hawaiian War-Chant" brings down the house.
Same here at Cornell; TLK was screened to more or less
a full house three nights in a row. The college audience
was the best of all the times I've seen TLK, because
everyone is able to catch all the one-liners and subtle
jokes/innuendos that many children and older adults seem
to miss.
> But... the single *biggest* reaction of the night came
> during the frolicking-in-the-forest montage, "Can You
> Feel The Love Tonight" playing in the background. A bit
> of a dull scene, really; people start to tune out; but
> then.... Well, Nala licks Simba's jaw; a few "oooh"s
> from the audience. Simba's eyes widen in shock; the
> audience laughs.
A difficult task which Disney has pulled off with
skill and class, as usual... The animators succeeded
in making Nala and Simba "think" very much like human
adolescents would; according to the production team,
making the characters move and behave as real lions,
yet have humanistic personalities, was a tremendous
challenge.
> And then we cut suddenly to Simba's viewpoint, with Nala
> lying underneath him, head raised from the long grass;
> and she *makes eyes* at him, smiles mysteriously and
> invitingly, and settles her head back slowly into the
> grass.
If you need/want the "visual aid" that accompanies
this reply, I have posted it to [rec.arts.disney]
(sorry, I know this isn't the place to binary posts,
but it's just the one image :) [alt.fan.lion-king],
[alt.binaries.pictures.misc], and [alt.binaries.
pictures.cartoons].
The image is the exact scene you have described (i.e.
reclined, Nala narrows her eyes seductively at Simba.)
Don't flame me because the image is blurry -- I KNOW
that! What did you expect from a video capture? Well,
I've tried my best to clean up and smooth-out this
image. Here's the tech info, for those interested:
Filename: NALAPOS1.JPG
Size: 61,943 bytes
Format: color JFIF/JPEG
Quality: Q=90 (final)
Original: NTSC (VHS frame-capture)
Tools: Altamira Composer, LView Pro, PSP
The image is uuencoded, so you will need a decoder.
Also make sure you have a good JPEG viewer. For DOS,
I would get Oliver Fromme's QPEG 1.5e+. MS-Windows
users should try either LView Pro 1.A, JPEGView 2.65,
or ACDSee 1.21. Macintosh users will probably want to
use the Mac JPEGView; UNIX people probably already
know what they're doing, but if you're stuck I can
reccommend "XV" (various versions)...
> The audience absolutely *explodes*. Cheers, laughter,
> wolf-whistles, applause, shouts of "OH yeah!" and "Go
> for it!", and "Ooooh, bay-BEE!" from all sides. I mean,
> shoot... we all *know* what that scene promises! There
> is only one interpretation for the expression of those
> eyes. We're college kids; we're prurient, but sure not
> stupid; and we know sex when we see it. ;)
No comment :)
> Now. That's probably one of my favorite scenes from
> 'The Lion King', and I think it was gorgeously done --
> very funny, rather touching... and don't forget to give
> credit for animation that *can* let you read a vamp act
> in the expression on the face of a lion! There was
> enormous affection between the two characters involved,
> the male was shy to the point of being funny... well,
> I think it was... cute! Very cute.
Like I said, the characterization is very believable,
and as you mentioned, CUTE! The lyrics to CYFTLT,
as sung by Nala+Simba, are very appropriate and add
to the scene tremendously.
> In fact, Nala is one the female Disney charcters who
> pisses me off the least, for a variety of reasons. (Of
> course, she conveniently *happens* to be a member of a
> species whose social structure absolutely demands the
> submission of all females to the lone leader male, in
> accordance with the law of nature. But that's just
> lions; that has nothing to do with Disney's views on
> the matter!... ;)
I'm glad to see someone else who understands that
Disney is not being "racist" or "sexist" by portraying
the females, hyenas, etc the way they were in TLK,
rather, that is the way things are in nature, like
it or not. I see you are a Harvard student: wasn't
one of the most vocal critics of Lion King Harvard
psychologist Carolyn Newberger?
> But, anyway. If you want sex. There it *is*. (And then
> they go screw under the waterfall, while Timon and Puumba
> bawl their eyes out!! Poor babies. At least they still
> have each other. ;)
(ahem) Hadn't thought of it exactly that way, but the
physiological aspects certainly work [out] :)
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Tim & Christine Morgan
says...
> ( BTW: I've also heard that in "Lady in the Tramp" Lady and Tramp
mated
>on the evening of their big date, and that the film is unambiguous about
that
>point. But I haven't seen the film in years. Does anyone know for sure? )
>
I haven't seen it in years either, but I vividly remember the scotti
and the bloodhound both telling Lady that either of them would be honored to
"do the right thing" by her if Tramp wouldn't. So, we could assume that they
(ahem!) on their big date, but that perhaps the puppies were the result.
Christine
Simba mbc
date, I thought I'd ask a question regarding that...
Of course, when I first saw the movie as a child, I didn't think about it,
but now I've started to wonder something. When Lady returns home from the
pound, why do Jock & Trusty plan to ask her to marry one of them? I always
assumed that they thought she was unhappy with her home and would rather
live with one of them. But why do they refer to it as marriage? (Trusty:
"I've never even considered matrimony."). One possibility that has occured
to me is that they somehow know that Lady is pregnant and therefore think
she should be married. What do the rest of you think about that?
Melissa Cummings
mcum...@piper.hamline.edu
Simb...@aol.com
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"Can you sing with all the voices of the mountain? Can you paint with all
the colors of the wind?"
"I walk on the wild side! I laugh in the face of danger!:
Rkench
Tramp "mated" during their date.[stuff deleted] One possibility that has
occured
to me is that they somehow know that Lady is pregnant and therefore think
she should be married. What do the rest of you think about that?"
Hi Melissa... that's exactly what happened. Lady wakes up and says
something to the effect that "Last night was wonderful." The whole scene
is played like a "Mornign after" scene from countless studio films from
the 40's and 50's. Also this explains why Trusty's leg is still broken at
the end of the film when we meet the puppies.
Rkench
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animated feature was the scene with Baloo (sp?) scratching himself on
the tree in The Jungle Book. Watch it and see if you don't agree with
me.
Taylor
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D.M. Quozl Falk
: I beg to differ. The most blatent sexually oriented scene in a Disney
: animated feature was the scene with Baloo (sp?) scratching himself on
: the tree in The Jungle Book. Watch it and see if you don't agree with
: me.
Doesn't *anybody* remember "Bongo"?!? The *only* time I've *EVER* heard
the term "make love" in a Disney programme!!!!!!!! (It is was part of the
"Disneyland In Color" ("Wonderful World of Disney") @ 1950s....)
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: sma...@course2.harvard.edu (Susannah Mandel) wrote...
: > In fact, Nala is one the female Disney charcters who
: > pisses me off the least, for a variety of reasons. (Of
: > course, she conveniently *happens* to be a member of a
: > species whose social structure absolutely demands the
: > submission of all females to the lone leader male, in
: > accordance with the law of nature. But that's just
: > lions; that has nothing to do with Disney's views on
: > the matter!... ;)
Lions have no lone leader male (at least most of them haven't).
Sure, there are such prides too, but they are not too successful.
The social structure is more complicated.. in most cases there
are several equal males (changing every now and again) and
several equal females (not changing - they stay in the pride
their entire life), and depending on the situation, one of these
two groups `leads'. But this is just one of many possible
configurations, you can't generalize lion sociology, it's a wide
field....
There is however never a King who gives the crown to his son.
Male lions leave the pride at adolescence, whether by their own
decision or driven out by other males joining the pride.
toby
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D.M. Quozl Falk
: >Doesn't *anybody* remember "Bongo"?!? The *only* time I've *EVER* heard
: >the term "make love" in a Disney programme!!!!!!!! (It is was part of the
: >"Disneyland In Color" ("Wonderful World of Disney") @ 1950s....)
: The term "make love" did not always mean sexual intercourse. It used to mean simple hugging and kissing.
Tell that to the person who recorded the song "Party Doll" in 1959, which
was actually banned nationwide for the use of the term "make love"... And
also tell that to Ben E. King & the Drifters who did "Under The
Boardwalk" in 1960, which had to be re-recorded to change "we'll be
making love" to "we'll be falling in love".... Yes, it did mean what we
know it to mean back then!
Tim & Christine Morgan
For sexy scenes, how about Lumiere and the feather duster behind the
curtain?
"Oh, no!"
"Oh, yes!"
"Oh, no!"
"Oh, yes!"
"I have been burned by you before!"
Roguish laugh.
And back on the topic of body image: one of my favorite scenes of
all time is in Peter Pan, when Tink is admiring herself in the mirror and
suddenly becomes concerned about the size of her tush and the width of her
hips. And then she gets stuck in the keyhole because of her rump! That touch
of human insecurity in a pixie just made the movie for me.
And I love Ursula, who is not the least bit self-conscious about her
weight even when chatting with the wasp-waisted Ariel. If she has the magic
to make a pudgy mermaid thinner, as she shows in her demo, she could do the
same for herself. But she doesn't! She is happy the way she is! Good for
her!
Christine
Lux Lucre
>Doesn't *anybody* remember "Bongo"?!? The *only* time I've *EVER* heard
>the term "make love" in a Disney programme!!!!!!!! (It is was part of the
>"Disneyland In Color" ("Wonderful World of Disney") @ 1950s....)
Connie K. Cho
Lucre) wrote:
* >Doesn't *anybody* remember "Bongo"?!? The *only* time I've *EVER* heard
* >the term "make love" in a Disney programme!!!!!!!! (It is was part of the
* >"Disneyland In Color" ("Wonderful World of Disney") @ 1950s....)
* The term "make love" did not always mean sexual intercourse. It used to
mean simple hugging and kissing.
Definitely, or even just flirting. Someone hasn't been watching enough old
movies. :)
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"Ah, Goliath- your naivety is refreshing."
Winnie The Pooh
. . . [insulting inuendos about the Lady deleted] . . .
|> What do the rest of you think about that?
No, no, no, no, no! Nothing like that happened. They were just out walking
and talking and enjoying each others company until the wee hours of the
morning. And Lady fell asleep, and Tramp didn't think he should wake her,
and the next thing you know it's morning. (The song "Wake Up, Little Susie"
comes to mind.) Anyway, the reason Jock and Trusty were willing to marry
her was because of her unfortunate incarceration. Her reputation has been
sullied, so of course there will be talk and all. As for the timing of the
puppies, just remember it was only one evening later that Tramp became part
of the family. Believe me, Lady just wasn't that kind of girl. She waited.
And this is what I believe, and you can't convince me otherwise !
Sandy
FDC Walkaround Pooh
Juan F. Lara
Winnie The Pooh <s...@atl.hp.com> wrote:
>In article <3hgg05$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, simb...@aol.com (Simba mbc) writes:
>. . . [insulting inuendos about the Lady deleted] . . .
Those observations were not intended to be insulting. I brought it up
because there was this string about what was the most suggestive scene in a
Disney animated feature. A while back I had an argument with a friend on that
subject, and he insisted that Lady and Tramp had sex that evening. Also, I
believe that John Grant implied this in his "Encyclopedia of Walt Disney
Animated Characters". So I brought up the subject. There's no need for your
tone of voice.
- Juan F. Lara, #1 Gadget Hackwrench fan
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- Profound Wisdom from the Cola Cult
Hume C.L. Smith
BD> Actually, he's right about the old meaning. However, that was more like
BD> the 1850s than the 1950s...
i'd've said the 1950's was more like the time its meaning was changing
to what it is now, but i'm not an etymologist either.
kinda like ` ``Egad, Holmes, you astound me,'' Watson ejaculated.' :-)
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"I've frequently not been on boats."
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Susannah Mandel
: >>>>> "BD" == Brendan Dunn <bd...@cco.caltech.edu> writes:
: BD> Actually, he's right about the old meaning. However, that was more like
: BD> the 1850s than the 1950s...
: i'd've said the 1950's was more like the time its meaning was changing
: to what it is now, but i'm not an etymologist either.
"To make love" was still used as meaning "courting" behavior as late as
the 1950's or so. One excellent dempnstration of this fact is that you
can hear the term employed with some frequency in movies, cartoons, and
musicals from at least the 20s to the 40s. (I cite this time period
because it's the movies I'm most familiar with, and there weren't many
movies period prior to the 20s, and the term had begun to fall out of
common use in the films by the late 40s. :) Not atypically, the meaning behind "to
make love" grew stronger and more suggestive over the years; in the
early part of the century, for instance, it would have mant something
like "sitting on the porch for an hour twice a week with one's
intended" (cf "Oklahoma", for instance); later, it came to imply more
physical demonstrations of affection -- probably during the relatively
wild '20's. By the 40's or 50's, it would have been USED to mean
"courting" or "dating" (but in the 50's, probably only by someone's
mother), but the IMPLICATION behind it could very easily have been used
to mean something far more physical -- probably "heavy petting", at the
time, which is the way the kids would use it, if they did at all. The
sexual revolution in the 60's would have spilled the term over into
usage for the outright physical act of copulation. (Is there anyone
out there who can validate or contradict this from memory? ;) Around
that time, people's mothers would have stopped using it at all; but it
cam back a bit later as a euphemism for the act of sex.
So: intensification over the years, is my assessment of the
matter. Therefore, in the 40's or 50's, the more standard meaning would
have been the older one -- "to court, to pay attentions to" -- but the
innuendo could very easily be built up around its usage. And, yes,
*that* could very well have led to censorship problems.
My two dollars' worth (because that *was* a *long* explication!
:) Anything to add/concur/contradict, anyone? Anyone?
: kinda like ` ``Egad, Holmes, you astound me,'' Watson ejaculated.' :-)
Heh. But people still use *that* word *that* way. It's just
that it's funny now. ;)
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: "I've frequently not been on boats."
: "No, no. What you've been is, not on boats." Rosencrantz and Guildenstern
{ -- Hey! Did *you* see any Stoppardian reference in that "Aw,
gee! And here I always thought they were giant balls of gas, burning
far away...." bit!?!? ;) (This would have to refer to the movie version
of R&GAD, if I remember the differences correctly.) }
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D.M. "Quozl" Falk <qu...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Lux Lucre (Lux_...@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
>
>: >Doesn't *anybody* remember "Bongo"?!? The *only* time I've *EVER* heard
>: >the term "make love" in a Disney programme!!!!!!!! (It is was part of the
>: >"Disneyland In Color" ("Wonderful World of Disney") @ 1950s....)
>
>
>: The term "make love" did not always mean sexual intercourse. It used to mean simple hugging and kissing.
>
>Tell that to the person who recorded the song "Party Doll" in 1959, which
>was actually banned nationwide for the use of the term "make love"... And
>also tell that to Ben E. King & the Drifters who did "Under The
>Boardwalk" in 1960, which had to be re-recorded to change "we'll be
>making love" to "we'll be falling in love".... Yes, it did mean what we
>know it to mean back then!
Actually, he's right about the old meaning. However, that was more like
the 1850s than the 1950s...
--Brendan
Susan C. Mitchell
: Lux Lucre (Lux_...@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
: : >Doesn't *anybody* remember "Bongo"?!? The *only* time I've *EVER* heard
: : >the term "make love" in a Disney programme!!!!!!!! (It is was part of the
: : >"Disneyland In Color" ("Wonderful World of Disney") @ 1950s....)
: : The term "make love" did not always mean sexual intercourse. It used to mean simple hugging and kissing.
: Tell that to the person who recorded the song "Party Doll" in 1959, which
: was actually banned nationwide for the use of the term "make love"... And
: also tell that to Ben E. King & the Drifters who did "Under The
: Boardwalk" in 1960, which had to be re-recorded to change "we'll be
: making love" to "we'll be falling in love".... Yes, it did mean what we
: know it to mean back then!
But wasn't that several years *after* C. S. Lewis described Jill Pole as
"making love to everyone" in the Giants' castle -- meaning that she was
behaving, not seductively, but in a deliberately silly, childish way,
"coming on" to everyone in the manner of a four-year-old who wants a
cuddle? (_The Silver Chair_.)
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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|> >. . . [insulting inuendos about the Lady deleted] . . .
I apologize profusely. I thought that from the rest of my response that
the smilies were implied. So, since obviously they were not, here they are
now. :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
There a liberal dosing and again a public apology for the misunderstanding.
Sandy
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Joseinc1
>And back on the topic of body image: one of my favorite scenes of
>all time is in Peter Pan, when Tink is admiring herself in the mirror and
>suddenly becomes concerned about the size of her tush and the width of
>her
>hips. And then she gets stuck in the keyhole because of her rump!
Awww. I liked her rump.
Jose
Gustav Almstrom
Subject: Re: Cleavage and Disney Heroines
JFL> From: j...@mickey.cc.utexas.edu (Juan F. Lara)
JFL> Who's been spamming this string?
JFL> In article <D3uMx...@eskimo.com>,
JFL> Tim & Christine Morgan <ve...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>>Tink is admiring herself in the mirror and suddenly becomes concerned about
>>the size of her tush and the width of her hips. And then she gets stuck in
JFL> the
>>keyhole because of her rump!
JFL> The filmmakers seemed just fixated with Tink's backside during all
JFL> her
JFL> scenes in the Darling house. You can catch lots of skirt-peeks by
JFL> viewing
JFL> those scenes frame by frame.
This makes me wonder how you know this....;)
( UUCP Dialup connection )
the BETTER clark
: animated feature was the scene with Baloo (sp?) scratching himself on
: the tree in The Jungle Book. Watch it and see if you don't agree with
: me.
*ahem* now that you mention it, it *is* a bit _suggestive_
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: to what it is now, but i'm not an etymologist either.
: kinda like ` ``Egad, Holmes, you astound me,'' Watson ejaculated.' :-)
omiGOD!!! hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
ROFSWL!!!! I'd forgotten about that quote!! *classic*
Tim & Christine Morgan
That's the point! There was nothing wrong with Tink's rump! She'd
clearly been brainwashed by the whole "anorexia is GOOD" mindset that ruins
so many beautiful women's ideas of themselves! Boo to our culture for
letting this happen!
Clap is you believe in fairies.
Whistle if you think Tink has a cute rump.
Christine
Eric Gross
>: I beg to differ. The most blatent sexually oriented scene in a Disney
>: animated feature was the scene with Baloo (sp?) scratching himself on
>: the tree in The Jungle Book. Watch it and see if you don't agree with
>: me.
> *ahem* now that you mention it, it *is* a bit _suggestive_
Is that what's known as an oakgasm?
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the BETTER clark
Tobias Benjamin Koehler (s_...@ira.uka.de) wrote:
: Lions have no lone leader male (at least most of them haven't).
: The social structure is more complicated.. in most cases there
WHAT'S THIS??? I am confused. I was told, and read,
lionesses are the "leaders" of the pack, with ONE MALE
as the "breeder" and who chases off/fights for dominance
with any other male that moves into their territory.
when the Pride's male is defested, he is either killed
or banished, where he moves about until he successfully fights
off a male of another pride.
Juan F. Lara
( Clap. )
> Whistle if you think Tink has a cute rump.
8-' ( Actually, what is the net symbol for a whistle? :-) I think Tink
is sexy, too.
BTW: What do people think of Peg from "Goof Troop"? She doesn't have
a "supermodel" type physique, and she doesn't need one. I think she's also
very sexy.
- Juan F. Lara
Tobias Benjamin Koehler
: WHAT'S THIS??? I am confused. I was told, and read,
: lionesses are the "leaders" of the pack, with ONE MALE
: as the "breeder" and who chases off/fights for dominance
: with any other male that moves into their territory.
: when the Pride's male is defested, he is either killed
: or banished, where he moves about until he successfully fights
: off a male of another pride.
You are about right, but not that there is one male. The books
that I have read about the subject (and documentary films too)
talk about `coalitions' of males. These are groups, most often
of brothers, who stay together a longer time (sometimes their
entire life). At some time more or less early in their life they
leave the pride where they were born, and live without a pride
until they can enter another one with non-relative females :-)
mostly driving the `old' male(s) of that pride out. (If the lion
populations are high, there are a lot of such `takeovers' with
fights and losses, regulating the population down.) Why form a
coalition instead of going alone? You have a higher chance of
entering a pride by defeating the males if you are two, or three
or four. However a too large number of males weakens a pride as
the females are much better hunters and the males are only
`useful' for the pride in contributing their genes, defending
the territory and pride, defending hunted prey against
competitors (such as hyenas). So the number of adult females is
about twice that of adult males.
The males of a coalition usually breed all at the same time,
sharing the females. They have no problem with that because
many of your genes are in your brother, so you are genetically
successful if you let him breed too :-)
There are regional differences in social organisation among
lions. (Same with humans.) So in some areas you find single
leading males (I think that's in South Africa), while in other
regions you can find large prides with coalitions of four or
five.
Mischa Damon Krilov
: >: I beg to differ. The most blatent sexually oriented scene in a Disney
: >: animated feature was the scene with Baloo (sp?) scratching himself on
: >: the tree in The Jungle Book. Watch it and see if you don't agree with
: >: me.
Further differences: Jessica Rabbit. If you haven't seen this, it's the
scene in which Doom dips the street on which Benny the cab is driving.
Jessica goes spinning, and let's just say she doesn't like undergarments.
You'll need a laserdisc or a really high-quality VCR w/frame advance.
Me.
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: Distribution:
: Further differences: Jessica Rabbit. If you haven't seen this, it's the
: scene in which Doom dips the street on which Benny the cab is driving.
: Jessica goes spinning, and let's just say she doesn't like undergarments.
: You'll need a laserdisc or a really high-quality VCR w/frame advance.
Some people just have way too much time on their hands if they
"accidentally" notice stuff like that...
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Kev
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Michael Crawford
: : Further differences: Jessica Rabbit. If you haven't seen this, it's the
: : scene in which Doom dips the street on which Benny the cab is driving.
: : Jessica goes spinning, and let's just say she doesn't like undergarments.
: : You'll need a laserdisc or a really high-quality VCR w/frame advance.
: Some people just have way too much time on their hands if they
: "accidentally" notice stuff like that...
probably so. Is any of that stuff true? I've heard all sorts of myths as to
"dirty pictures" in R.R. For that matter, does anyone know of any other
subliminal shots in Disney films (not necessarily naughty)? I know some
quick shots of eddie valiant were animated...any other examples?
mc
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to
>"dirty pictures" in R.R. For that matter, does anyone know of any other
>subliminal shots in Disney films (not necessarily naughty)? I know some
>quick shots of eddie valiant were animated...any other examples?
>mc
I read that single frames were in the movie "as an homage to the
time-honored practice" of the old-time animators, who were aparantly a
group of lonely and depraved men who spent much too much time alone in
their studiios. Theses frames were supposed to have been edited out of
the video and disc releases.
David
Ken Bair
> "dirty pictures" in R.R. For that matter, does anyone know of any other
> subliminal shots in Disney films (not necessarily naughty)? I know some
> quick shots of eddie valiant were animated...any other examples?
> mc
>
In Night on Bald Mountain (Fantasia) there are a couple of quick shots of
topless 'witches' flying by. There is one frame where the bare breasts fill
the screen.
ken
Michael Crawford
: >probably so. Is any of that stuff true? I've heard all sorts of myths as
: to
: >"dirty pictures" in R.R. For that matter, does anyone know of any other
: >subliminal shots in Disney films (not necessarily naughty)? I know some
: >quick shots of eddie valiant were animated...any other examples?
: >mc
: I read that single frames were in the movie "as an homage to the
: time-honored practice" of the old-time animators, who were aparantly a
: group of lonely and depraved men who spent much too much time alone in
: their studiios.
true. I saw in a walt disney biography once some of the "tamer" sketches
they had made as models for the centaurettes in fantasia.
naughty, naughty.
Tim & Christine Morgan
says...
Yes, "Fantasia" was interesting that way. No nipples on the
centaurs, but the harpies had them.
Christine
Tim & Christine Morgan
Yes, "Fantasia" was interesting that way. No nipples on the
centaurs, but the harpies had them.
Possible interpretation: trying to convince kids that sex=scary, so
they shouldn't do it?
Christine
Tim Pickett
>In Night on Bald Mountain (Fantasia) there are a couple of quick shots of
>topless 'witches' flying by. There is one frame where the bare breasts fill
>the screen.
Which makes it odd that they were so careful (for the most part) to hide
the centaurettes' in the "Pastoral Symphony" section. Evidently it
was thought back in 1940 that breasts were tantamount to evil . . .
They wouldn't do that now, would they? Lord no.
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Phil
> Mr K.L. Roberts (k...@liverpool.ac.uk) wrote:
> : Mischa Damon Krilov (mkr...@tiger.lsu.edu) wrote:
> : : Distribution:
>
> : : Further differences: Jessica Rabbit. If you haven't seen this, it's the
> : : Jessica goes spinning, and let's just say she doesn't like undergarments.
> : : You'll need a laserdisc or a really high-quality VCR w/frame advance.
>
> probably so. Is any of that stuff true? I've heard all sorts of myths
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The bit about Jessica Rabbit is true. It was shown on THE WORD some time
last year I think.
Phil.
Tinker Bell
>> Whistle if you think Tink has a cute rump.
> 8-' ( Actually, what is the net symbol for a whistle? :-) I think Tink
>is sexy, too.
*a grin, laugh, and modest smile*
Nice to see my Fiance isn't the only one who appreciates me ;)
Seriously, though, all characters aside, there are more reasons than sex
appeal to like the spritely, independent, and saucy young pixie from
_Peter Pan_.....
although, if you read any versions of Barrie's story, Tink is quite the
appearance-conscious maiden...not to mention being terribly jealous!
*Tink*
newly engaged to a Kiwi Magic Carpet
RecArts Today
On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Virgilio "Dean" B. Velasco Jr. wrote:
> Oooh. A fiance. I had no idea.
>
> Kewl.
>
> --
> Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
What?! Dean, you mean you didn't know!
*She smacks herself in astonishment!*
Alrignt, then, it must be time for the 'official' announcement to be made...
On Saturday morning (Sunday, perhaps in relation to your location in the
world) 1/21/95, roughly an hour after sleepily and gratefully stepping
off the final flight in a much-too-long journey from his home in
Christchurch, NZ to Orlando, FL, Geoff (a.k.a. FDC Magic Carpet) proposed
to Margaret (a.k.a. FDC Tinker Bell)....
...and she very lovingly and happily responded "yes!"
*Tink*
Virgilio Dean B. Velasco Jr.
>
>On Saturday morning (Sunday, perhaps in relation to your location in the
>world) 1/21/95, roughly an hour after sleepily and gratefully stepping
>off the final flight in a much-too-long journey from his home in
>Christchurch, NZ to Orlando, FL, Geoff (a.k.a. FDC Magic Carpet) proposed
>to Margaret (a.k.a. FDC Tinker Bell)....
>
>...and she very lovingly and happily responded "yes!"
WHY??
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>
>On Saturday morning (Sunday, perhaps in relation to your location in the
>world) 1/21/95, roughly an hour after sleepily and gratefully stepping
>off the final flight in a much-too-long journey from his home in
>Christchurch, NZ to Orlando, FL, Geoff (a.k.a. FDC Magic Carpet) proposed
>to Margaret (a.k.a. FDC Tinker Bell)....
>
>...and she very lovingly and happily responded "yes!"
"WHY???"
- Dean asks in mock innocence, to avoid having to
type in a sugary congratulatory message
Tinker Bell
>In article <Pine.A32.3.91.950302...@seminole.gate.net> RecArts Today <rec...@gate.net> writes:
>>Christchurch, NZ to Orlando, FL, Geoff (a.k.a. FDC Magic Carpet) proposed
>>to Margaret (a.k.a. FDC Tinker Bell)....
>>
>>...and she very lovingly and happily responded "yes!"
> "WHY???"
> - Dean asks in mock innocence, to avoid having to
> type in a sugary congratulatory message
*Grin* Well, Dean, you know me...The question probably isn't merely
"WHY???" but rather "WHY did it take so long!!!???"
But for anyone who came into the picture mid-way through...the two of us
discovered along the way that we are as well-suited for flying together
RL as Tink and MC have been since their adventures began.
...a very happily engaged *Tink*
Robert Hubby
: >In Night on Bald Mountain (Fantasia) there are a couple of quick shots of
: >topless 'witches' flying by. There is one frame where the bare breasts fill
: >the screen.
Actually, I believe that was a Harpy, not a witch.
R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
"I talk to the trees, but they throw pinecones at me..."
Virgilio Dean B. Velasco Jr.
>
>But for anyone who came into the picture mid-way through...the two of us
>discovered along the way that we are as well-suited for flying together
>RL as Tink and MC have been since their adventures began.
>
>...a very happily engaged *Tink*
But... but you can't marry him! He's your friend.
Malvin Lim
>In article <recarts....@gate.net> rec...@gate.net (Tinker Bell) writes:
>>
>>But for anyone who came into the picture mid-way through...the two of us
>>discovered along the way that we are as well-suited for flying together
>>RL as Tink and MC have been since their adventures began.
>>
>>...a very happily engaged *Tink*
>
> But... but you can't marry him! He's your friend.
>
That's right, it'll so-oo weird!
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Geez! I leave for a little while and I miss everything!
CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!!!!
Hey, if anyone is in touch with Tink, let her know I'll be down in WDW
from May 29 to June 4 for my honeymoon. I'd like to wish her well in
person. Is she still working at the Grand Floridian?
-Miss Rommy
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Congrats again.
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Virgilio Dean B. Velasco Jr.
>v...@eddie.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio "Dean" B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
>
>> But... but you can't marry him! He's your friend.
>
>her best friend?....wouldn't you consider Beast to be Belle's best
>friend?....And didn't Aladdin become Jasmine's best friend (along with
>that marvelous Rajah), the best *human* friend she had from outside the
>palace?
[cut]
>Personally, i feel very lucky to be marrying my best friend...
But it's so weird.
RecArts Today
On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Virgilio "Dean" B. Velasco Jr. wrote:
> You probably figured this out, but in the unlikely event that
> you didn't... I've been paraphrasing from TLK.
>
C'mon, Dean, give the pixie some credit! ;) I am not a Guppy! (no
offense, Flounds!)
*Tink*
Javier Femenia
>Granted, they're not 'married' as such, but didn't Nala fall in love with
>her best friend?....wouldn't you consider Beast to be Belle's best
>friend?....And didn't Aladdin become Jasmine's best friend (along with
>that marvelous Rajah), the best *human* friend she had from outside the
>palace?
Thanks, Tink! ;>
I agree with you on all of those counts. Definitely I think it's best if
the two people/characters involved have gotten to know each other well
enough to become best friends. It makes sense as far as realism goes--
what's the likelihood of a marriage succeeding if the two don't get along
together better than with anybody else?
I also like how it's included in the Disney movies because of the image
it portrays to the people watching them--especially younger people. I
think it definitely does well to emphasize how well the two knew each
other before getting seriously involved/married....
That's certainly going to be the case for me. My girlfriend's my bestest
friend right now...
>Personally, i feel very lucky to be marrying my best friend...
>very lucky, indeed...
>*Tink*
Awww...... Isn't that *sweet*! I'm sooooo proud!
*grinning tiger*
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Vanessa C. Samuelson <vc...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> Congrats congrats congrats! By all means, come get married with
>Steve and I in Disney World! How does a double wedding on Dec 23 sound?
> Congrats again.
>
If we talk to Tod and Copper, we can make it a *quadruple* wedding. :)
(That is, assuming Ford and I get money from somewhere to actually
have a wedding somewhere. *sigh*)
By the way, are you really getting married at WDW? I got info from
them, but it's really expensive... :(
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Brian Gerraughty
>probably so. Is any of that stuff true? I've heard all sorts of myths as to
>"dirty pictures" in R.R. For that matter, does anyone know of any other
>subliminal shots in Disney films (not necessarily naughty)? I know some
>quick shots of eddie valiant were animated...any other examples?
of the Maroon Cartoon, he sticks up his middle finger and runs it under
the dress of the woman he runs under. It can be seen quite clearly when
run in slow motion on a laser disc or 4 head VCR.
Magic Mirror
>In article <recarts....@gate.net> rec...@gate.net (Tinker Bell) writes:
>>
>>But for anyone who came into the picture mid-way through...the two of us
>>discovered along the way that we are as well-suited for flying together
>>RL as Tink and MC have been since their adventures began.
>>
>>...a very happily engaged *Tink*
> But... but you can't marry him! He's your friend.
Granted, they're not 'married' as such, but didn't Nala fall in love with
her best friend?....wouldn't you consider Beast to be Belle's best
friend?....And didn't Aladdin become Jasmine's best friend (along with
that marvelous Rajah), the best *human* friend she had from outside the
palace?
It's only that Ariel character who goes tossing herself out of oceans at
strange men wearing big boots ;)
RADFDC
>offense, Flounds!)
>
>*Tink*
Line stealer!
(Just kidding! Congrats again Tink!!!)
John Howard
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Claude Nichols
: >Tinker Bell writes:
: I agree with you on all of those counts. Definitely I think it's best if
: the two people/characters involved have gotten to know each other well
: enough to become best friends. It makes sense as far as realism goes--
: what's the likelihood of a marriage succeeding if the two don't get along
: together better than with anybody else?
: I also like how it's included in the Disney movies because of the image
: it portrays to the people watching them--especially younger people. I
: think it definitely does well to emphasize how well the two knew each
: other before getting seriously involved/married....
: That's certainly going to be the case for me. My girlfriend's my bestest
: friend right now...
: >Personally, i feel very lucky to be marrying my best friend...
: >very lucky, indeed...
Here, here! You guys are definitely on to something there!
My husband of 16 years is my absolutely, positively, bestest friend!
(And was, before we were married, too...)
Simba: I can't marry her, she's my friend!
Nala: Yeah, it would be so weird!
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John S. Howard
there is a very definate phallic symbol incorporated in one of
the castle spires.
My understanding is that it was done by a disgruntled artist who
was to be let go when Mermaid was a wrap. I can certainly see it
on the one I own.... No bout a doubt it!
Ron Vutpakdi
|> v...@eddie.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio "Dean" B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
|> > But... but you can't marry him! He's your friend.
|>
|> Granted, they're not 'married' as such, but didn't Nala fall in love with
|> her best friend?....wouldn't you consider Beast to be Belle's best
Well, I think that Simba did change his mind about the idea of marrying
his friend being such a weird thing: age has a way of doing that... ;-)
|>
|> Personally, i feel very lucky to be marrying my best friend...
Actually, I always thought that marrying your best friend was the best
idea (well, if you actually wanted the marriage to last)...
Ron
FDC Nap-About Sleepy, 2nd shift
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Victoria Gilliam
: : >very lucky, indeed...
: Here, here! You guys are definitely on to something there!
: My husband of 16 years is my absolutely, positively, bestest friend!
: (And was, before we were married, too...)
: Simba: I can't marry her, she's my friend!
: Nala: Yeah, it would be so weird!
I agree..my husband is my best friend since before the wedding. The
absolute best thing in the world!
Vycke'
FDC Causin'-Trouble-Around Scamp
FDC Driver of Monorail Purple (Wannabe)
Scamp on FDCMuck
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