Audio-Animatronic figure in Indian Villiage
Tery Steelman
noticed a new AA in the villiage of a shaman/storyteller. I was most
impressed with the natural movements (a CM told me that it was a
proto-Indy AA). I was also curious about the story itself. Can anyone fill
me in on the language in which the story is told? Is it authentic? What
language is it?
I wish the MT had stopped right there so I could have seen the entire
"routine" as I could not see the figure very well from the Island at
all..*sigh*
Thanks!!!
Tery
FDC Priestess to the Villians
FDC Walk-around Orddu
Loren Wilton
Yu...@aol.com (Tery Steelman) wrote:
>On my recent trip to DL I rode the Mark Twain (first time in YEARS!) and
>noticed a new AA in the villiage of a shaman/storyteller. I was most
>impressed with the natural movements (a CM told me that it was a
>proto-Indy AA). I was also curious about the story itself. Can anyone fill
>me in on the language in which the story is told? Is it authentic? What
>language is it?
The indian village was redone when Fantasmic was installed. They also
redid the burning cabin, added the Chief greeting either the Twain or
the Train (depending on which shows up first). They added the bear scratching
his back on the tree, and the beaver family on the island. Oh, and they
stuck the varmnits in the crashed mine train.
Some of this works better than others. The indians are undoubtedly the
best done, with the beavers coming in second. The bear has to be on the
bottom of the list.
Loren
Elizabeth Spatz
>
> On my recent trip to DL I rode the Mark Twain (first time in YEARS!) and
> noticed a new AA in the villiage of a shaman/storyteller. I was most
> impressed with the natural movements (a CM told me that it was a
> proto-Indy AA).
I, too, saw this wonderful figure on a recent Mark Twain voyage and
was curious as to when this figure appeared and why they picked so
remote a spot for such a fine animatronic treasure. He gestures and
sits and rises so elegantly! I haven't determined if he's visable
from any other attraction... I guess from TS Island, but does anyone
know how we could get a better look?
I'm going to DL on Friday 3/24 and will check him out again!
Elizabeth Spatz
FDC Lucky
(Rolly - I'll look for your hat!!)
Tery Steelman
<esp...@getty.edu> wrote:
>
> I, too, saw this wonderful figure on a recent Mark Twain voyage and
> was curious as to when this figure appeared and why they picked so
> remote a spot for such a fine animatronic treasure. He gestures and
> sits and rises so elegantly! I haven't determined if he's visable
> from any other attraction... I guess from TS Island, but does anyone
> know how we could get a better look?
I tried looking from the Island but there is a big tree blocking the
view. I did hear the AA however and I still wonder about the story and
what language it is told in. Anyone know?
Loren Wilton
>I, too, saw this wonderful figure on a recent Mark Twain voyage and
>was curious as to when this figure appeared and why they picked so
>remote a spot for such a fine animatronic treasure. He gestures and
>sits and rises so elegantly! I haven't determined if he's visable
>from any other attraction... I guess from TS Island, but does anyone
>know how we could get a better look?
To all intents and purposes the indian village is only visable from the
Mark Twain or the Columbia, depending on which is running that day.
Or I guess from the canoes if they are running.
The indian village upgrade was put in as part of the river rebuild
done during Fantasmic construction. I guess that makes it near three
years old now.
Loren
PS: I've forgotten now, but there is a fair chance that he is very close
kin to the prehistoric storyteller in the second scene in Spaceship Earth.
Disney has a habit of reusing good animated characters in other situations
whenever possible. This might be one of those cases.
Larry Meza
story. The best view is from the wheel house of the Mark Twain. If
you need info on how to gain access to the wheel house and get to pilot
the Mark Twain E-mail Me.
J. Ross Burhouse
>Were the culprits of the fire in the settler's cabin changed from
>'heathen Injuns' to the more currently acceptable 'careless
>Moonshiner' as part of the Fantasmic overhaul, or did that happen
>earlier?
I don't know, but I've always been partial to the spiel you get on the
Keelboats at WDW:
"Looks like my cousin Zeke is havin' a house-warmin' party!
And wouldn't you know it, I forgot to bring marshmallows.
Hey Zeke! How do you like your new cabin? - Well Done?"
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Suzy Davenport
up to the wheelhouse of the Mark Twain with my sister so we could
serve as honorary pilots. I remember being convinced that we were
really steering the big ship down the river, and that we got parchment
certificates from the Captain commemorating the occasion. It was our
first visit to the Park. What a thrill! Do they still bring kids up
to the wheelhouse to "steer"? I hope so.
Were the culprits of the fire in the settler's cabin changed from
'heathen Injuns' to the more currently acceptable 'careless
Moonshiner' as part of the Fantasmic overhaul, or did that happen
earlier?
- Suzy D., Official Mark Twain Pilot, 1971
Loren Wilton
>One of the very first things I can remember in my life is being taken
>up to the wheelhouse of the Mark Twain with my sister so we could
>serve as honorary pilots. I remember being convinced that we were
>really steering the big ship down the river, and that we got parchment
>certificates from the Captain commemorating the occasion. It was our
>first visit to the Park. What a thrill! Do they still bring kids up
>to the wheelhouse to "steer"? I hope so.
People still get into the wheelhouse from time to time, but I'm afraid
I haven't seen anyone younger than 17 or so there in a *long* time!
I don't htink they give certificates anymore either, but they might!
>Were the culprits of the fire in the settler's cabin changed from
>'heathen Injuns' to the more currently acceptable 'careless
>Moonshiner' as part of the Fantasmic overhaul, or did that happen
>earlier?
The log cabin has gone thru about 4 major rehabs now.
First was the gas fires and the "evil injuns". This lasted into the
mid 1970s, as best I recall.
At the time of the first or second "gas crisis" they redid it by turning
off the gas fires, and putting rather poor subsitiutes in based on flickering
electric lights and bits of tinfoil. That effect can work on stage; it
didn't work for beans here. I *think* this was also when the "careless
moonshiner" appeared.
Then in the mid to late 1980s it was rehabbed again, putting the gas
fires back in, and doing them rather better than originally. They also
built or enhanced (I forget which) a large still in the front yard.
Finally when Fantasmic was done it was rehabbed again. The moonshiner
is gone. It seems moonshiners are no longer acceptable. What is now
there is no still, no drunk settler. Instead, there is a dead oak
tree in the front yard, with a branch overhanging and sweeping against
the shingles on the roof. The branch of the tree is also burning, having
"caught fire" from the house. As nature would naturally have it, this
10 foot high dead oak tree just happens to have a nest of bald eagles
in the fork of the branch and the trunk, some 15 feet from the front door
of the cabin, and all the little eaglets that are soon to be spam are
cheeping pitifully as the mother flaps his wings and looks on helplessly.
The Mark Twain is now narrated by Mark Twain, who comments that "Pardon
me Captain, but it seems to me that fire was caused by plain carelessness.
That settler isn't only loosing his own home, but the home of those eagles.
Personally, my sympathy goes with the eagles." The Captain then comments
that, indeed, the damage being done to nature is far greater than the
man has done to himself.
------
I'm afraid it is an almost perfect example of political correctness.
Every assumption is unfounded, and the entire situation is more contrived
than your average soap opera plot. Sigh.
Loren
Suzy Davenport
>
> The Mark Twain is now narrated by Mark Twain, who comments that "Pardon
> me Captain, but it seems to me that fire was caused by plain carelessness.
> That settler isn't only loosing his own home, but the home of those eagles.
> Personally, my sympathy goes with the eagles." The Captain then comments
> that, indeed, the damage being done to nature is far greater than the
> man has done to himself.
> ------
> I'm afraid it is an almost perfect example of political correctness.
> Every assumption is unfounded, and the entire situation is more contrived
> than your average soap opera plot. Sigh.
>
> Loren
>
"P. ardon me, C. aptain"? "P. lain C. arelessness"? I smell a
conspiracy!
Wow, thanks a million for all the info, Loren. I posted a diatribe a
while back about the sharp contrast between the modern sensibilities
apparent in the Pocahontas trailer and Disney’s erstwhile attitude
toward Native Americans. Oh well, I guess the burning cabin saga is
yet still more proof that Disney reflects the mores of the times, they
do not attempt to dictate them. They are the kings of revisionist
history, especially when it comes to their own history. I love that
one of my Frontierland View Master reels has a picture of that poor
white settler with a savage Injun’s arrow through his heart. It's
wonderfully shocking and ludicrous now.
- Suzy D.
Alan Hamilton
>'heathen Injuns' to the more currently acceptable 'careless
>Moonshiner' as part of the Fantasmic overhaul, or did that happen
>earlier?
It's been like that since before the Fantasmic! rehab, though I'm not sure
when. I've heard that the cabin scene has gone through several mutations
since it was first built, depending on the current politics. During the 70s,
the energy-wasteful gas flames were replaced with a simulation of some sort
-- blowing cloth or something like that.
/
/ * / Alan Hamilton
* * al...@primenet.com
Don Bertino
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07/08/94
Disneyland's Mark Twain Script
======================================================================
[Live Person]
Welcome, this is your Captain speakin', best you please
finish all your food and beverages before you comin' on
board, along with cigarettes, tobacco or whatever you like.
Please watch your step, grab your young children by the
hand, firmly by the hand that is, and come on board.
This heres' the first boardin' call for the steam ship Mark
Twain. All aboard.
[Captain]
Secure all cargo, all passengers aboard.
Bowman, cast off bow lines.
Engine room, ahead one quarter.
Engine room, ahead three quarters.
Ledge man, sound off.
[Ledge man-singing]
By the mark, Mark one, Mark Twain, Half Twain, Mark three,
Mark four, Deep four, Ocean deep.
[Captain]
Howdy folks, Welcome aboard the Mark Twain riverboat. This
is your captain speaking to ya, from the pilot house up
here on the Texas deck. Now leaving on journey up rivers
of America and into the western frontier. For your safely,
please do not seat on the handrails. The river can get
mighty unpredictable in these parts, and gosh, we sure hate
to lose anyone.
With me up here in the pilot house, is a man well-known in
these parts, Mr. Mark Twain, the fame writer for whom this
very boat is named.
[Mark Twain]
Captain, it is my pleasure.
Yeah, it sure feels good to be back on the river. Years
ago, I made my living as a river boat pilot. It was a
gentle life, here as the steam boat whistles far off around
the bend, riding the broad majestic river. It was this
river that sent me about becoming a writer, and it has not
done wrong by me yet.
[Captain-Talking about the Haunted Mansion]
Over there across the way is what used to be the grandest
mansion in these parts, its been sitting there empty for,
what must be 20 years!
[Mark Twain]
Yep, that mansion looks pretty respectable from the
outside, but the townsfolk tell me a whole different story.
They say its haunted, and at late at night, when the
rivers' real quiet, strange and unearthly sounds reach out
from that old house.
[Captain]
Now hold on there Mr. Twain, your starting to scare the
youngsters, not to mention me!
[Mark Twain]
Sir, truth is the most valuable thing we have, I believe we
should be, economical with it.
[Captain-Talking about Splash Mountain]
Now coming up on the port side is the famous, and strangest
mountain in these parts. Those folks who have explored it
from the inside say that their is music in its caves and
laughter in its falls.
[Mark Twain]
Ha Ha Ha, Now who is telling stories here?
[Deck Watch]
Attention, Deck watch, stand by for river traffic.
[Captain]
Over there to port is a canoe landing, where local guides
meet traders and explorers to lead them into the
wilderness.
[Mark Twain]
Yeah know, with all the traffic plying the river now days,
its a wonder theres any wilderness left!
[Captain]
We're just passed Fort wilderness, the last outpost of
civilization on the river.
[Ledge man-singing]
Mark three, mark three, quarter left three, half twain,
half mark twain, quarter left, red flag, red flag and
touchy.
[Captain]
If your new to the river, your probably wonder about those
calls. Now thats the ledge man calling out the depth
markings to keep us from running a ground.
[Ledge man-singing]
Mark twain
[Mark Twain]
Yeah know, back when I was a river boat captain. On many a
night of storm and fog, we would be straining our ears to
hear that call. Thats the welcomeist sound of all to a
river man. These two sweet words, Mark Twain. Safe water.
[Deck Watchman]
Attention, Captain. Settler cabin a fire off starboard
bow.
[Captain]
Yeah, I see it. Poor souls, I'm afraid we're too late to
help.
[Mark Twain]
Captain ah, Pardon my opinion, but ah, its looks as if that
fire was caused by just plain carelessness. Those folks
are not only losing their own homes, but the home of those
eagles as well. My sympathy goes to the eagles.
[Captain]
Yep, It looks like the sides are clear, man in the forest.
[Captain]
We're now entering Indian country, up ahead is the local
chief coming to welcoming us.
[Deck Watch]
Indian Village ahead, Captain
[Captain]
Yeah know,....
[The speaker cutout, if someone could get the rest of this
line and email it to me, it would be great!!]
[Captain]
Tracks off the port side lead to Big Thunder Mountain, site
of the biggest gold strike in these parts. But in spite of
its riches, that mine's been riddled with trouble and
strange happens for as long as I can reminder.
[Mark Twain]
I, for one, am not at least surprised, this area is the
outskirts of sacred Indian ground. Although I myself am
not prone to superstition, some folks believe that restless
spirits have taken over the mountain itself.
[Captain]
Its looks more like a family of restless varmints have
taken over that wrecked train.
[Captain]
Up ahead is Big Thunder Falls, that means we're in the last
stretch of wilderness, just ahead is the landing where are
our journey ends. I would like to ask those passengers on
the upper two decks to kindly start your descent to the
lowest deck and prepare to go ashore. You may find the
stair ways on the right side of the boat and to the rear,
provide easier passage. Any partin' words, Mr Twain??
[Mark Twain]
Yeah, I would like to leave the folks with just one thought
for the day. Always do right. This will gratify some
people, astonish the rest.
[Captain]
Thank you, Mr Twain. And thank you all of you for
traveling with us aboard the Mark Twain river boat. We
hope to see again real soon!
[Captain]
Engine room, approach landing at one quarter speed. Man
the bow line. All passengers, stand by to go a shore.
don
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** Attraction Descriptions/Scripts: EPCOT.innnoventions
Alan Hamilton
Suzy Davenport <su...@subpop.com> wrote:
>lwi...@BIX.com (Loren Wilton) wrote:
>>
>> The Mark Twain is now narrated by Mark Twain, who comments that "Pardon
>> me Captain, but it seems to me that fire was caused by plain carelessness.
>> That settler isn't only loosing his own home, but the home of those
eagles.
>> Personally, my sympathy goes with the eagles." The Captain then comments
>> that, indeed, the damage being done to nature is far greater than the
>> man has done to himself.
>> ------
>> I'm afraid it is an almost perfect example of political correctness.
>> Every assumption is unfounded, and the entire situation is more contrived
>> than your average soap opera plot. Sigh.
>>
>> Loren
>>
>
>conspiracy!
>
>Wow, thanks a million for all the info, Loren. I posted a diatribe a
>while back about the sharp contrast between the modern sensibilities
>apparent in the Pocahontas trailer and Disney’s erstwhile attitude
>toward Native Americans. Oh well, I guess the burning cabin saga is
>yet still more proof that Disney reflects the mores of the times, they
>do not attempt to dictate them. They are the kings of revisionist
>history, especially when it comes to their own history. I love that
>one of my Frontierland View Master reels has a picture of that poor
>white settler with a savage Injun’s arrow through his heart. It's
>wonderfully shocking and ludicrous now.
Well, there's always Pirates. Murder... pillage... rape... sexual slavery...
yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
Suzy Davenport
>
> Well, there's always Pirates. Murder... pillage... rape... sexual slavery...
> yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
>
> /
> / * / Alan Hamilton
> * * al...@primenet.com
On the P.C. tip, someone mentioned earlier that some of the scenery
and situations in the Magic Kingdom's (lame) version of Pirates were
tweaked in recent years to, uh, bring them up to code. Can someone
tell me what changes were made and why?
- Suzy "Take a Wench for a Bride" Davenport
Kyle N. Foster
The only thing I can come up with is the scene where the drunken pirate
is lying in front of the barrel originally (and at DL) he mentions how he
would like to "hoist his colors on that brazen wench... and I be willing
to share I be" At WDW he holds a treasure map in a hand, a magnifying
glass in the other and babbles on about not being able to find the
treasure. The treasure itself is in the girl in the barrel's hands and
as you go by, she makes an annoying giggle. Also (I'm not sure if this
was changed) the Pirates at WDW don't seem to be chasing women as much
as carrying around treasure. Even the scene where the overweight woman
was chasing the man at DL has been changed to something tamer- she is
hitting him over the head with a broom. I think the ultimate irony is
that Pirates was never even originally going to be put in the Magic
Kingdom. It was only after WDW opened that they added it later because of
guest complaint.
-Kyle
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"Oh who cares, that guy doesn't matter! Let him stay locked up for another
half an hour. The police will be here by then AND THERE ARE TWO DEAD
BODIES IN THE STUDY!" Clue
Loren Wilton
>Well, there's always Pirates. Murder... pillage... rape... sexual slavery...
>yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
Yep! Good ol' American Values! Will last thru the ages!
Loren
;-)
phi...@dworld.org
To: INTERNET: al...@primenet.COM
Subject: Re: Audio-Animatronic fig
IA-=-In article <3lchgr$o...@empathy.subpop.com>,
IA-=- Suzy Davenport <su...@subpop.com> wrote:
IA-=->lwi...@BIX.com (Loren Wilton) wrote:
IA-=->>
IA-=->> The Mark Twain is now narrated by Mark Twain, who comments that "Pardon
IA-=->> me Captain, but it seems to me that fire was caused by plain carelessne
IA-=->> That settler isn't only loosing his own home, but the home of those
IA-=-eagles.
IA-=->> Personally, my sympathy goes with the eagles." The Captain then commen
IA-=->> that, indeed, the damage being done to nature is far greater than the
IA-=->> man has done to himself.
IA-=->> ------
IA-=->> I'm afraid it is an almost perfect example of political correctness.
IA-=->> Every assumption is unfounded, and the entire situation is more contriv
IA-=->> than your average soap opera plot. Sigh.
IA-=->>
IA-=->> Loren
IA-=->>
IA-=->
IA-=->"P. ardon me, C. aptain"? "P. lain C. arelessness"? I smell a
IA-=->conspiracy!
IA-=->
IA-=->Wow, thanks a million for all the info, Loren. I posted a diatribe a
IA-=->while back about the sharp contrast between the modern sensibilities
IA-=->apparent in the Pocahontas trailer and Disney’s erstwhile attitude
IA-=->toward Native Americans. Oh well, I guess the burning cabin saga is
IA-=->yet still more proof that Disney reflects the mores of the times, they
IA-=->do not attempt to dictate them. They are the kings of revisionist
IA-=->history, especially when it comes to their own history. I love that
IA-=->one of my Frontierland View Master reels has a picture of that poor
IA-=->white settler with a savage Injun’s arrow through his heart. It's
IA-=->wonderfully shocking and ludicrous now.
IA-=-Well, there's always Pirates. Murder... pillage... rape... sexual slavery
IA-=-yo ho, a pirate's life for me!
IA-=- /
IA-=- / * / Alan Hamilton
IA-=- * * al...@primenet.com
Ack...Not at WDW...we got da PC pirates....
reed bickley
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J. Ross Burhouse
>On the P.C. tip, someone mentioned earlier that some of the scenery
>and situations in the Magic Kingdom's (lame) version of Pirates were
>tweaked in recent years to, uh, bring them up to code. Can someone
>tell me what changes were made and why?
>
>- Suzy "Take a Wench for a Bride" Davenport
>
Well, remember the scene with lustfull looking pirates chasing
young maidens around in circles, and then the last one had a
woman chasing a pirate with a broom? I thought it was funny.
Now there are no pirates chasing women. The replaced them
with another woman chasing a pirate and two pirates carrying a
treasure chest. Lame.
Leo Soderman
> hitting him over the head with a broom. I think the ultimate irony is
> that Pirates was never even originally going to be put in the Magic
> Kingdom. It was only after WDW opened that they added it later because of
> guest complaint.
> -Kyle
Uh.....I think you may have your facts mixed up. Pirates was opened at
DL in 1969......before WDW was opened.
Leo
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goes in the Soderman
front, le...@kaiwan.com
big guy...."
Bryan Walton
>From: le...@kaiwan.com (Leo Soderman)
>Subject: Re: Audio-Animatronic figure in Indian Villiage
>Date: Thu, 06 Apr 1995 09:18:55 GMT
>"Kyle N. Foster" <kfo...@gas.uug.arizona.edu> wrote:
>> hitting him over the head with a broom. I think the ultimate irony is
>> that Pirates was never even originally going to be put in the Magic
>> Kingdom. It was only after WDW opened that they added it later because of
>> guest complaint.
>> -Kyle
>Uh.....I think you may have your facts mixed up. Pirates was opened at
>DL in 1969......before WDW was opened.
Pirates opened in 1967 at Disneyland, the year after New Orleans Square
opened. It opened in 1974 at Disney World.
Bryan Walton
Don Bertino
Yeah, the Disney Channel runs a special every so often showing the opening
of POFC. It shows the Columbia pulling up, pirates jumping off and knocking
down the "barriers" and "soldiers" in front of the entrance. Pretty cool!
don
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Kyle N. Foster
was told when I asked was that there was originally no intention to put
Pirates at WDW until the guests demanded it. Also the name of the Wonderful
World of Disney (program name may be wrong- sorry 'bout that) special is
"From the Pirates of the Carribean to the World of Tomorrow". It features
the "new" tomorrowland for the late sixties.
-Kyle
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Bryan Walton
>Pirates opened in 1969 in DL, but WDW did not have it until 1974. What I
>was told when I asked was that there was originally no intention to put
>Pirates at WDW until the guests demanded it. Also the name of the Wonderful
>World of Disney (program name may be wrong- sorry 'bout that) special is
>"From the Pirates of the Carribean to the World of Tomorrow". It features
>the "new" tomorrowland for the late sixties.
Pirates opened in 1967 at DL, not in 1969. The Haunted Mansion opened in 1969.
Bryan Walton
sb8...@albnyvms.bitnet
>>> hitting him over the head with a broom. I think the ultimate irony is
>>> that Pirates was never even originally going to be put in the Magic
>>> Kingdom. It was only after WDW opened that they added it later because of
>>> guest complaint.
>>> -Kyle
>
>>DL in 1969......before WDW was opened.
>
>Pirates opened in 1967 at Disneyland, the year after New Orleans Square
>opened. It opened in 1974 at Disney World.
>
I think everyone's replies are a little confused. What Kyle was saying, was
that people in the Magic Kingdom complained that they didn't have Pirates at
WDW. So guests complained, and they built the PoC at WDW. He didn't say that
the WDW pirates came first. Just my $.02
-Scott B.