Disney World attracts fat people
Don
World Center and loved it. We went to MGM, Disney World, Universal
Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios. The weather was perfect
and the crowds were reasonable. My big complaint is the number of
grossly obese people riding around in those little electric carts.
Have we become so fat and lazy in this country that we now need little
carts to haul us around at places like Disney World? Yes I'm aware
that some people truly are in need and deserving of these carts. I
have no issue with that. But these devices have become conveniences
for people simply too fat and lazy to walk. Perhaps that's why they
are fat in the first place. They never exercised. I even saw one huge
lady riding in one and smoking a cigarette. Give me a break. These
people block sidewalks and routinely back up on someone's foot. If you
have to be a certain height to ride a ride maybe its time you have to
be a certain width to be allowed in. I'm sure I'll be flamed for this
posting but it gets old seeing the fat get fatter and more and more
lazy.
Diane N
simply too fat and lazy to walk" Have you taken a poll of these people?
Have you asked any of them why they are using a very expensive ECV? Or are
you just ass-u-ming these opinions? Lighten up a bit and have some
compassion. Many illnesses that cannot be seen with the eye take a toll on a
person and cause them to not be able to exercise frequently. It is much
easier to walk around WDW than to ride in an ECV.
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Stevenbmn
be gutted and rebuilt because of weight limits. I know at Disneyland some
people can barely fit through the lines in Fantasyland.
Also once at the Norway pavilion, the waitress asked why we were not going back
for even more food at the buffet. She said, "After all this is America."
Come on America if you truly love your kids then think about what example you
are setting!
Diane N
>From: "DB"
>To: "Diane N"
>Subject: Re: Disney World attracts fat people
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:30:46 -0500
>
>Didn't you read his previous two sentences before the text you snipped. He
wasn't talking about any of the people that you mentioned. You should take
some of your own advice, lighten up a bit, and realize that there are some
lazy people in the world.
>
>Diane N: I stand by my previous statement.
I did read his two sentences before. "I'm aware
that some people truly are in need and deserving of these carts. I have no
issue with that"
But right after he says, "But these devices have become conveniences for
people simply too fat and lazy to walk (how does he know?). Perhaps that's
why they are fat in the first place (how does he know?). They never
exercised (how does he know?).
Lowell
"Diane N" <neu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How do you know that "....these devices have become conveniences for
people
> simply too fat and lazy to walk"
By looking at them. The inescapable fact is that there is more pork on the
hoof at Disney World than almost any other place outside of North Carolina
or Iowa.
>Lighten up a bit and have some
> compassion.
Actually, shouldn't the porkers riding the ECV's be the ones to lighten up?
Many illnesses that cannot be seen with the eye take a toll on a
> person and cause them to not be able to exercise frequently.
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Don
There is no excuse for this. If we took obesity as seriously as we do
the war on terror maybe things would improve. When I see a fat kid I
will usually find a fat parent somewhere nearby.
Don
there. Very few people had their own. Let's say 20% of these carts are
truly needed. That leaves 80% full of overweight lazy people who
wouldn't be in the cart if they exercised and watched what they eat.
True story .... we sat next to one of these "handicapped" people at a
Disney restaurant. This lady proceeded to eat 4 (four) packages of
butter before her meal arrived. How pathetic is this? Another thing we
noticed is that when they rolled up to a ride they wanted to go on
they had no problems hopping off their cart and standing in line.
Sorry Diane but what we saw was America at its worst. Overweight and
lazy people in little electric carts. Disney should have a weight
limit. Just think for every one 300 pound person you don't allow in
the doors you can allow in three 100 pound persons or two 150 pound
people.
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:17:57 GMT, "Diane N" <neu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Don
by eating too much of the wrong types of food and sitting around all
day doing nothing. This is why America has become so overweight and
why doctors are very concerned about it. It's not just America either.
We were in Australia in January and trust me they have a weight
problem also. So does Europe. But I'm an American and my comments are
directed towards us. I'll let Europe and Australia deal with their own
issues. If we continue down this road the next time I'm in DisneyWorld
I'll be a minority and most people will be putting butter on their
sides just to slip through the gates.
vixi
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duchy
Has it not occurred to Don that many people are overweight *because* they
have a handicap and can't walk distances-therefore burn fewer calories. Sure
America is the junk food capital of the world (though the rest of us are
catching up!) but Disney is also one of the (if not the) most popular
attraction in America for disabled people because it is set up to
accommodate them.
Yes America has a problem with obesity but she also has a problem with
intelligence if Don is taken into the equasion.. And Don if you really think
"If we took obesity as seriously as we do
you, I'm sure the people who lost family on 9/11 would rather their loved
ones were fat rather than dead.
duchy
"Don" <d...@don.com> wrote in message
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yugreggit
>We just returned from 8 days in Orlando. We stayed at the Marriott
>World Center and loved it. We went to MGM, Disney World, Universal
>Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios. The weather was perfect
>and the crowds were reasonable. My big complaint is the number of
>grossly obese people riding around in those little electric carts.
>Have we become so fat and lazy in this country that we now need little
>carts to haul us around at places like Disney World?
It is funny you mention that you went to Universal Studios but made no
mention of the ECV use there. Maybe no obese people visit there? If
you meant both then mention both.
> Yes I'm aware
>that some people truly are in need and deserving of these carts. I
>have no issue with that. But these devices have become conveniences
>for people simply too fat and lazy to walk. Perhaps that's why they
>are fat in the first place. They never exercised.
How do you know this, did you ask them?
>I even saw one huge lady riding in one and smoking a cigarette. Give me a break.
So what difference does this make? I have seen thin people use ECV's
and smoke.
>These people block sidewalks and routinely back up on someone's foot.
This happens to thin people who use them too who are not used to
operating ECV's
>If you have to be a certain height to ride a ride maybe its time you have to
>be a certain width to be allowed in.
Maybe in the future we will have to prove our IQ too?
>I'm sure I'll be flamed for this posting
This is the only smart thing you said
Jeff Pittman
the number of absolutely WHOPPING huge people lumbering around the place. I
found myself staring and wondering where they get their clothes, how they
deal with toilets, how they dress themselves, how they get into cars, etc.
A major welfare program, WIC, has been having PR problems for years because
so many of its clients are grossly overweight - staggeringly so - this in a
program that's supposed to help poor women and their kids eat because they
supposedly will go hungry if somebody else doesn't buy their groceries (hey
PC people, don't jump on me, jump on Google and look for "WIC" and
"obesity"). The latest trick is to redefine "malnutrition" as "inadequate,
inappropriate or excessive intake of certain nutrients" (www.calwic.org).
What nutrients? Jumbo-sized bags of Doritos? According to the government,
fat people who get food on someone else's dime are now "malnourished."
Darn - another perfectly good word reduced to having no meaning at all.
But I digress. Look for more and more of these recreational eaters at WDW
and everywhere else. We live in a time when food is plentiful and cheap and
it's very easy to eat more than one needs, and to do that each and every day
even if you're paying for your food yourself. Methinks we ain't seen
nothing yet.
"Don" <d...@don.com> wrote in message
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Benjamin Geiger
> Disney should have a weight limit. Just think for every one 300
> pound person you don't allow in the doors you can allow in three 100 pound
> persons or two 150 pound people.
I weigh 350lb. I have never used an ECV. In fact, I constantly walk at
WDW, and even play DDR (and believe you me, that's a workout and a half).
I'm no less capable of touring the parks on my own than you are.
While some people do use the ECVs without a need, they're few and far
between.. I'd put it at somewhere between 10% and 20% of the total ECV
users. Also, many people can't walk long distances due to a medical
problem, but can stand in line or walk from the ECV into a ride vehicle.
This is not "scamming", this is a fact of life.
Talk to your doctor about having a plexiglottomy done.... that's where
they implant a piece of Plexiglas into your abdomen so you can see where
you're going. From the sound if it, you need one badly.
--
Benjamin Geiger My real email address isn't a _spamtrap.
WDW 4/6/03 - 4/6/04: Anytime I want! Hooray being local!
Musclecadet
"Don" <d...@don.com> wrote in message
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Paul T.
>
I'm responding to just the title of this thread. A recent Harris Poll found 80%
of Americans over the age of 25 to be overweight. So you're post title could
just as easily read: "Disney World attracts most people," and the meaning
wouldn't change.
Paul T.
Don
wrote:
>
>Has it not occurred to Don that many people are overweight *because* they
>have a handicap and can't walk distances-therefore burn fewer calories. Sure
>America is the junk food capital of the world (though the rest of us are
>catching up!) but Disney is also one of the (if not the) most popular
>attraction in America for disabled people because it is set up to
>accommodate them.
>Yes America has a problem with obesity but she also has a problem with
>intelligence if Don is taken into the equasion.. And Don if you really think
>"If we took obesity as seriously as we do
>the war on terror maybe things would improve" I feel desperately sorry for
>you, I'm sure the people who lost family on 9/11 would rather their loved
>ones were fat rather than dead.
That is probably the most unintelligent comment I've seen in this
thread. My point must have flown right over your head.
>
>duchy
Don
wrote:
>It is funny you mention that you went to Universal Studios but made no
>mention of the ECV use there. Maybe no obese people visit there? If
>you meant both then mention both.
Yes we saw them everywhere. Overweight people are everywhere down
there.
>
>> Yes I'm aware
>>that some people truly are in need and deserving of these carts. I
>>have no issue with that. But these devices have become conveniences
>>for people simply too fat and lazy to walk. Perhaps that's why they
>>are fat in the first place. They never exercised.
>
>How do you know this, did you ask them?
No I happen to have a brain. Most (not all) fat people are fat for two
simple reasons. They eat too much and do too little. If this offends
those who can't deal with blunt honesty then too bad.
Sandi Femino
<d...@don.com> wrote:
> Please keep in mind that most of these little carts were being rented
> there. Very few people had their own. Let's say 20% of these carts are
> truly needed. That leaves 80% full of overweight lazy people who
> wouldn't be in the cart if they exercised and watched what they eat.
You don't know this..you are simply pulling numbers out of the air to
suit your argument.
> True story .... we sat next to one of these "handicapped" people at a
> Disney restaurant. This lady proceeded to eat 4 (four) packages of
> butter before her meal arrived. How pathetic is this?
Actually I find pretty sad that you make such snap judgemnts about
people based on their appearances.
Another thing we
> noticed is that when they rolled up to a ride they wanted to go on
> they had no problems hopping off their cart and standing in line.
> Sorry Diane but what we saw was America at its worst. Overweight and
> lazy people in little electric carts. Disney should have a weight
> limit.
I think they need a limit on the number of judgmental people too.
Just think for every one 300 pound person you don't allow in
> the doors you can allow in three 100 pound persons or two 150 pound
> people.
Just think: for every shallow person who judges others based on their
appearance they could let in a person who would embrace Walt"s vision of
a happy place for all to enjoy.
--
Sandi
yugreggit
>No I happen to have a brain. Most (not all) fat people are fat for two
>simple reasons. They eat too much and do too little.
How can you tell the difference between the two conditions?
Paul T.
>
>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:44:15 GMT, yugreggit <tigg...@excite.commie>
>wrote:
>
>there.
>
there spending their money to keep the parks open, there would be many more ride
closings if not park closings. So next time you see a fat person rolling along
in their ecv, buy them an ice cream cone and tell them to bring all their fat
friends with them the next time they come. Either that, or go out and find
yourself about 32 million skinny people to take their place.
Paul T.
Stevenbmn
I agree with you that maybe 80% are overweight but does that make it right? I
mean with that kind of logic anytime someone or some group is in the majority
then they must be right. With that kind of logic, it explains why so many times
in human history we could explain extreme inhumanity in the when the majority
riles over all.
Benjamin Geiger
I think he simply means that the weight distribution at WDW isn't much
different than your local hardware store, and so WDW doesn't "attract fat
people" any more than any other location.
(Yes, I'm actually defending Paul T. Could someone check the thermostat
in Hell, please?)
km39497
"Lowell" <lowel...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Diane N" <neu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9SWmb.27102$275.44327@attbi_s53...
> > How do you know that "....these devices have become conveniences for
> people
> > simply too fat and lazy to walk"
>
> By looking at them. The inescapable fact is that there is more pork on
the
> hoof at Disney World than almost any other place outside of North Carolina
> or Iowa.
I'm assuming you're referring to the fact Iowa and North Carolina are the
top two producers of actual hogs, swine, pigs, whatever, right? ;)
Just clarifying,
Karen (in Iowa)
Derek Janssen
> In article <bccopvkv01h2eqlgn...@4ax.com>, Don says...
>
> I'm responding to just the title of this thread.
> Paul T.
>
...Uh, yeah, we figgered.
(<checks watch>
Hmm, three hours--Must've been traffic.)
Derek Janssen
dja...@rcn.com
JRClarkJR
who visit WDW.
That brings up an interesting point, perhaps from a pyschological view, food,
and Disney are used as distractions from negative emotions.
Taking a poll: HOw many on RADP consider themselves overweight? Obese?
TDC Sir Mickey RşoşN,
Keeper of everything magical on a Disney Evening
WDW
'73 off; '80 F.W.; '82 Poly; '96 DxL; '98 Sports; '99 PO; '00 Music/Dolphin;
'01 W.L.; 02 AKL; 03 GF/Hard Rock
DL '86, '94, '97, '99, '01, '02
JRClarkJR
>appearance they could let in a person who would embrace Walt"s vision of
>a happy place for all to enjoy.
>
>--
>Sandi
oh, Sandi, lets not get sappy. If benny says he's a porker, then let it be. I
suggest the subway diet.
Actually, this is no laughing matter. I may need shoulder surgery and quit
working out. I turned to eating for comfort and gained some weight. I need to
drop a bunch myself.
JRClarkJR
>in Hell, please?)
Hell is still HOT. The Cubs didn't make it to the world series; although the
guy with the horns was said to have been watching the weather channel for a few
days there.
JRClarkJR
>have a handicap and can't walk distances-therefore burn fewer calories.
If so eat less. Handicap is no reason to be overweight. Perhaps a physical
metabolism prolbem would be but not a bad knee or hip as you suggest.
Heck, I figure if we just added Great Brittan's menu as our only choice of eats
in America, we would all lose weight pretty quick....gag!
Russell
>eats
>in America, we would all lose weight pretty quick....gag!
>
lol, I would rather be a fat, lazy American than anyone from any other country,
skinny or fat. Most of the world is skinny not because they are so
conscientious about their diet, but because they have no choice. And Europeans
should eat more, it might improve their mood. ;)
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power
of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also
to the Greek.
Patrick Carr
the troll alone, kill the thread, and move on to bigger and better things
like . . .
breastfeeding rights at WDW,
Gay Days, or
ANYTHING else, which would be more intelligent than this thread.
We know that there are overweight people everywhere, WDW included. What
this person fails to understand is that there are legitimate medical reasons
for some people to be overweight (thyroid, metabolic diseases, etc.). He
just probably doesn't understand it. And from the looks of the original
post, he may be another 13 year old.
Let's move on . . . nothing to see here . . . time to plan another trip.
Patrick Carr
TDC Protector of the Magic that is all things Disney
Believer in Magic -- Disney Style!
DVC
And I can't wait to get to WDW in 27 days to be with all the overweight
people and their ECVs!
"Don" <d...@don.com> wrote in message
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SGC
DH and I used to be. Not anymore. Increased the exercise and decreased the
calories (and even watch the SOURCE of calories). I'm at the top of healthy
BMI range and DH is in the middle of healthy BMI range.
Regardless of the CAUSE of being overweight (BMI between 25 and 30) or obese
(BMI between 30 and 35) or even severely obese (BMI greater than 35) -- the
impact on your health and life expectancy is not good. (BTW: BMI = 704.5 x
weight[lb] / (height[in] x height[in]) )
There are some rather RARE metabolic disorders that can cause or influence
obesity. If you have access to appropriate medical / therapy / nutritional
expertise there is no reason for obesity regardless of your mobility etc
(except in very extreme instances).
The thing is, there are more and more obese (let's just skip overweight b/c
DH and I have argued about it for years!) people in the US. The VAST
majority of them are obese because they consume more calories than they use.
When someone on a newsgroup makes a GENERALIZED comment, based on
observation and fact -- why in the world do some of us always respond as if
that someone is being a mean, nasty butthead? (And I'm talking about
reasonable generalizations here, not Paul T's rantings or Ron Ng's either).
Some generalizations:
*Brazilians at WDW are rude (I don't know that I've ever seen any at WDW,
but I'll make a generalization about Cedar Point -- those inner city, gasta
rap kids were rude and gross)
*Lots (not all) of the people using ECVs and wheelchairs SEEM to be just fat
and/or lazy BASED on observations of their general behavior and size.
*Bratty rude kids have bratty rude parents.
*Yelling, overtired kids having meltdowns should be dealt with by their
parents (caretakers, whatever) and shouldn't be allowed to act like brats.
SGC
Judy
> simply too fat and lazy to walk" Have you taken a poll of these people?
> Have you asked any of them why they are using a very expensive ECV? Or are
> you just ass-u-ming these opinions? Lighten up a bit and have some
> compassion. Many illnesses that cannot be seen with the eye take a toll on a
> person and cause them to not be able to exercise frequently. It is much
> easier to walk around WDW than to ride in an ECV.
>
both riding an ECV. Also both, coincidentally, are very overweight. Am
I to suppose that both have hidden disabilities? I doubt it. I would
like to bet that for every person who really needs an ecv there is one
who is using it because they are too fat to walk. Period. Which I
guess could be a medical reason. But rather a lazy one. In my humble
opinion.
OrlandoMike4
>both riding an ECV.
Have you also noticed the amount of junk food these people can cram into the
basket on the front of the ECV? It amazes me to see grossly overweight people
riding around the world with a basket full of chips, twinkies, and soda!
Dan
My big complaint is the number of
> grossly obese people riding around in those little electric carts.
You are not the only one to notice this. If you do a search on this
site you will see that this is a common complaint. I posted about it
when I got back a few weeks ago. It is pretty depressing seeing so
many morbily obese in the happiest place on earth.
duchy
"Judy" <j2...@catlover.com> wrote in message > I always think it is very
conicidental when I see a husband and wife,
> both riding an ECV. Also both, coincidentally, are very overweight. Am
> I to suppose that both have hidden disabilities? I doubt it. I would
> like to bet that for every person who really needs an ecv there is one
> who is using it because they are too fat to walk. Period. Which I
> guess could be a medical reason. But rather a lazy one. In my humble
> opinion.
So some people are using these for convience -some for necesity-and you
admit that you can't always tell which is which.
Imagine you were someone with a disability who needs to use an EVC and was
planning a trip to WDW..........and reading this news-group. Would you now
be looking forward to your vacation knowing that people are going to be
looking at you and assuming you are using an EVC because you are fat and
lazy. Would you still be looking forward to your vacation or would it feel
spoiled?
As for the husband/wife both using EVCs........many people with disabilities
marry -often meeting at events and places for people with the same or
similar disabilites. So yes -you are to suppose they may both have the same
(or a different) hidden disability-it's very possible. My next door
neighbours are both deaf -is it "coincidental" as you put it? No-they met at
a club for deaf people !
I'd guess you are a very fortunate person in that none of your close family
have disabilities-so maybe you should try and think what it is like to be in
that situation. There IS undenyably a very small minority who abuse the
system but that doesn't mean every person in an EVC deserves your contempt.
duchy
GrumpyOne
"duchy" <duch...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Duchy,
Thanks for a rational, thoughtful answer to this most revolting thread. As
for the OP, I cannot voice my true feelings without using vulgarity as far
as he is concerned, so I'll stop here.
Kathy M.
Paragon
"GrumpyOne" <tkt...@chartermi.spammenot> wrote in message
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Honestly, I don't know why anyone bothers. This thread is just hurtful, and
doesn't deserve the attention it has received.
Lowell
"Patrick Carr" <thec...@tcac.net> wrote in message
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What
> this person fails to understand is that there are legitimate medical
reasons
> for some people to be overweight (thyroid, metabolic diseases, etc.).
But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Figaro
wrote:
>So some people are using these for convience -some for necesity-and you
>admit that you can't always tell which is which.
>Imagine you were someone with a disability who needs to use an EVC and was
>planning a trip to WDW..........and reading this news-group. Would you now
>be looking forward to your vacation knowing that people are going to be
>looking at you and assuming you are using an EVC because you are fat and
>lazy. Would you still be looking forward to your vacation or would it feel
>spoiled?
I participate in the disAbilities board over at the Dis and this is by
far the number one thing that people post when they are wondering if
they should use an ECV or wheelchair at WDW. And all we can do is
reassure them that most people really don't feel or think nasty things
about them and to encourage them to use an ECV or wheelchair if it is
going to help them have a magical time instead of a pain filled time
at WDW.
And I have to say that mostly I just feel sorry for those people who
are so negative and judgemental about people that they don't even
know. It must be awful to go through life with those kinds of
thoughts and feelings and I would MUCH rather be in a wheelchair for
the rest of my life than see the world (and other people) that way.
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful post!
To email, take out the word t-h-i-s from my email address.
Sandi Femino
<sgc...@nospamkconline.com> wrote:
> When someone on a newsgroup makes a GENERALIZED comment, based on
> observation and fact -- why in the world do some of us always respond as
> if
> that someone is being a mean, nasty butthead?
So you think a comment that WDW should limit the number of overweight
people allowed to enter the park based on their weight/body size and use
of an ECV is a "generalized comment based on observation and fact" ?
--
Sandi
Karina Wright
And you'll be standing at the ticket booth with a full medical testing kit?
SGC
> > When someone on a newsgroup makes a GENERALIZED comment, based on
> > observation and fact -- why in the world do some of us always respond as
if
> > that someone is being a mean, nasty butthead?
> > SGC
>
> So you think a comment that WDW should limit the number of overweight
> people allowed to enter the park based on their weight/body size and use
> of an ECV is a "generalized comment based on observation and fact" ?
> --
> Sandi
No Sandi,
The set of GENERALIZED COMMENTS/QUESTIONS are (1) there seem to be a lot
more obese people than there used to be, (2) there are a lot of obese people
at WDW on ECVs, (3) do these obese people really NEED to use ECVs as opposed
to truly disabled (ex: heart conditions, recovering from orthopaedic
procedures, severe arthritics)?, (4) are these obese people using the ECV
because they're lazy?, and (5) is the reason that they're obese because
they're lazy as evidenced by using an ECV when obese and otherwise APPEARING
to be healthy?
I wasn't addressing the comment(s) about limiting the # of pounds of people
that enter a WDW park per day. That seems pretty danged stupid and I didn't
even grant it any credence by thinking about it.
I was saying (in the quote you snipped) that it seems to be a GENERAL
behavior of some people (group X) on the newsgroup to ASSUME that any
comment made contrary to the way they want things to be is an indication
that the person making the comment (group Z) is a 'mean, nasty butthead'. I
even gave examples after I used the phrase. Examples again: bratty kids,
kids having meltdowns, obese people on ECVs, stroller-commandos running over
and into other people, dazed vacation-brain-suffering guests stopping dead
on the sidewalk -- I'm guilty of this one <grin>, etc.
I had thought that most of us could tell the difference between a
'generalized COMMENT based on fact and observation' and some other type of
comment. Possible other types of comment: a dumb-butt, hare-brained, or just
plain silly.
SGC
P.S. And to start another rip-roaring discussion. I believe that obesity is
going to cost the health-care system much more $$ per person than cigarette
smoking has or ever will. Reason 1: It is much easier to conduct research
into the effects of obesity (a very small # of variables to study) than it
is to conduct research into the effects of cigarette smoking (a
multi-variable study b/c if you've ever smoked you're classified as a smoker
in medical research and often other causitive variables are ignored; but
hey! don't let that stop anyone). Reason 2: It's not considered rude or
nasty to be impolite or think that smokers are horrible people, but it is
considered to be very rude or nasty to think that obese people can/should do
something about their weight/health (and before anyone starts after me w/
the pitchforks -- there are many overweight/obese people in our circle of
family & friends, I wish they'd take control of their health and weight BUT
they're adults, it's their responsibility and so I keep my mouth shut).
Charlie Foxtrot
wrote:
>Reason 2: It's not considered rude or
>nasty to be impolite or think that smokers are horrible people, but it is
>considered to be very rude or nasty to think that obese people can/should do
>something about their weight/health
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Foxtrot
whites...@titanic.org
I see the old folks out there on those little scooters, and I'm really
impressed with them for having the get-up-and-go to go to The World. And
then I see twenty-somethings carting their girth around in these too - they
hang over the sides.
As to this "how do you know they're incapable of walking business" - I'm
sure a good many people have witnessed this phenomenon - I've seen them
motor over to the queue, and then step *out* of the scooter and walk a good
distance.
I do realise that some people are debilitatingly fat through no reasons of
their own - often their knees are shot from carrying all that weight around.
And then there are those who are just plain too damned fat. It would do you
a world of good to do all that walking. I just returned and we found that,
in all, we'd walked well over fifty miles. We don't gain weight because of
all the exercise.
I'm afraid I can't be very sympathetic, especially when I'm jammed up
against a huge sweaty mountain of flesh in a queue for 45 minutes.
"Don" <d...@don.com> wrote in message
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> We just returned from 8 days in Orlando. We stayed at the Marriott
> World Center and loved it. We went to MGM, Disney World, Universal
> Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios. The weather was perfect
> and the crowds were reasonable. My big complaint is the number of
> grossly obese people riding around in those little electric carts.
> Have we become so fat and lazy in this country that we now need little
> carts to haul us around at places like Disney World? Yes I'm aware
> that some people truly are in need and deserving of these carts. I
> have no issue with that. But these devices have become conveniences
> for people simply too fat and lazy to walk. Perhaps that's why they
> are fat in the first place. They never exercised. I even saw one huge
> lady riding in one and smoking a cigarette. Give me a break. These
> people block sidewalks and routinely back up on someone's foot. If you
> have to be a certain height to ride a ride maybe its time you have to
> be a certain width to be allowed in. I'm sure I'll be flamed for this
> posting but it gets old seeing the fat get fatter and more and more
> lazy.
Sandi Femino
<sgc...@nospamkconline.com> wrote:
> No Sandi,
>
> The set of GENERALIZED COMMENTS/QUESTIONS are (1) there seem to be a lot
> more obese people than there used to be, (2) there are a lot of obese
> people
> at WDW on ECVs, (3) do these obese people really NEED to use ECVs as
> opposed
> to truly disabled (ex: heart conditions, recovering from orthopaedic
> procedures, severe arthritics)?, (4) are these obese people using the ECV
> because they're lazy?, and (5) is the reason that they're obese because
> they're lazy as evidenced by using an ECV when obese and otherwise
> APPEARING
> to be healthy?
First of all unless you are their physician there is no way to tell what
condition they do or don't have. Appearances tell you nothing. Many
people can walk short distances but not the amount of walking WDW
entails.
>
> I wasn't addressing the comment(s) about limiting the # of pounds of
> people
> that enter a WDW park per day. That seems pretty danged stupid and I
> didn't
> even grant it any credence by thinking about it.
Well it was part of the post I replied to, and part of the general
comments the OP made. He also decided that only 20% of users neeed
ECVs, a number he just convienently made up, another part of his post I
addressed.
> I was saying (in the quote you snipped) that it seems to be a GENERAL
> behavior of some people (group X) on the newsgroup to ASSUME that any
> comment made contrary to the way they want things to be is an indication
> that the person making the comment (group Z) is a 'mean, nasty butthead'.
> I
> even gave examples after I used the phrase. Examples again: bratty kids,
> kids having meltdowns, obese people on ECVs, stroller-commandos running
> over
> and into other people, dazed vacation-brain-suffering guests stopping
> dead
> on the sidewalk -- I'm guilty of this one <grin>, etc.
That's not true, at least not in my case. I don't care how much someone
agrees or disagree with me, or ANY opinion. What I have expressed is a
dislike of posts that make their disagreements personal, rude and
condescending. Those are the ones who seem to have a problem with
others not viewing the world the way they do. There are many on this
group I consider friends. I disagree with them regularly,and still
number them as friends because we can disagree with civility.
>
> I had thought that most of us could tell the difference between a
> 'generalized COMMENT based on fact and observation' and some other type
> of
> comment.
Again, his post was NOT confined to simple observations and generalized
comments..it did contain mean and bigoted statements directed at a
specific type of person as I pointed out above.
Possible other types of comment: a dumb-butt, hare-brained, or
> just
> plain silly.
> SGC
>
> P.S. And to start another rip-roaring discussion. I believe that obesity
> is
> going to cost the health-care system much more $$ per person than
> cigarette
> smoking has or ever will.
It will certainly cost, as to weather it will be more remains to be seen.
There seems to be a move away from smoking and that will certainly have
an effect on costs.
Reason 1: It is much easier to conduct research
> into the effects of obesity (a very small # of variables to study) than
> it
> is to conduct research into the effects of cigarette smoking (a
> multi-variable study b/c if you've ever smoked you're classified as a
> smoker
> in medical research and often other causitive variables are ignored; but
> hey! don't let that stop anyone).
I disagree here. In any search for causitive factors among humans there
will always be a large number of variables hard to isolate.
>Reason 2: It's not considered rude or
> nasty to be impolite or think that smokers are horrible people,
I disagree. I don't think it is OK to be rude or nasty to anyone.
but it is
> considered to be very rude or nasty to think that obese people can/should
> do
> something about their weight/health
As you say it is their choice. I see people making what IMO are foolish
choices everyday, but it is their life.
(and before anyone starts after me w/
> the pitchforks -- there are many overweight/obese people in our circle of
> family & friends, I wish they'd take control of their health and weight
> BUT
> they're adults, it's their responsibility and so I keep my mouth shut).
>
>
--
Sandi
duchy
wanted to say ;).
duchy
"Figaro" <figgie...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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HVSteve
permits) have to justify it to YOU? I'm sure they pay fifty bucks and
subject themselves to your hostile stares just becuase they're too
lazy to walk. There are so many physical handicaps that are not
apparent to the casual viewer that I think,to satify you, they should
hang signs on themselves so you can feel better about it.
(Boy, this is the most satisfying snipe of done in a long time.)
Sandi Femino
"Paragon" <cyb...@HAPPYearthlink.net> wrote:
> Honestly, I don't know why anyone bothers. This thread is just hurtful,
> and
> doesn't deserve the attention it has received.
I think you are right, Paragon. I guess what amazed me were the number
of people who agreed with the OP.
--
Sandi
duchy
duchy
"Sandi Femino" <fem...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Don
1. Most fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too
little. Prove me wrong here.
2. Some of us are getting damn tired of seeing this nation get more
and more fat along with their children. Kids are now getting type two
diabetes (adult onset) before they are 10 years old because of this
problem.
3. Because some of us speak out about it and say how old it gets
getting out of the way of these overweight people you try to paint
myself and others into a box of being rude and ignorant. Trust me I
think it is you who is in the minority here.
4. If a smoker wants to smoke where I'm not going to be effected by it
then so be it. If a person wants to gorge themselves on junk food
laced with fat and it doesn't effect me so be it. But I start to draw
the line when someone's lack of weight control begins to intrude on my
space in a line or a sidewalk or whatever. This is what promted me to
write about the problem to begin with.
So you can call myself and those who agree with me rude, intolerant,
stupid or whatever else you can come up with. It makes no difference
to me. Have we become so politically correct that we can't openly
acknowledge that grossly obese people are becoming a pain at certain
venues? Sorry but I will continue to speak my mind.
Kind regards,
Don
GrumpyOne
"HVSteve" <hvst...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Go Steve, Go Steve.... :-)
Kathy M.
Joe
5A3BEE.201...@netnews.comcast.net>:
>In article <7bgopvk0442q4g2m4...@4ax.com>, Don
><d...@don.com> wrote:
>Just think for every one 300 pound person you don't allow in
>> the doors you can allow in three 100 pound persons or two 150 pound
>> people.
>Just think: for every shallow person who judges others based on their
>appearance they could let in a person who would embrace Walt"s vision of
>a happy place for all to enjoy.
Having been a fat person most of my adult life (usually between 280
and 300+), and now being a thin person, I hate to say this, Sandi, but if
you did what you suggest, the theme parks would be ghost towns. While most
people don't ACT on the judgements they make (and indeed most of the time
the consequences are pretty trivial), almost everyone judges people based on
their appearance, and someone who is excessively overweight is judged on
that by pretty much everyone who sees them. The way people treat me now vs.
the way I used to be treated (not just overtly, but in all of the subtle
body language cues, too) is like night and day. Most of the time it's not a
big deal -- most people will objectively treat you the same, especially in
professional situations, but it's there.
-- Joe
SGC
anyone had to justify it to me AND I certainly don't glare at obese people
in ECVs. (I will admit to vacation brain and just staring off into space
sometimes.) I was brought up to be a lady and it wasn't permitted.
However, there is nothing wrong with making the observation that there are a
lot of SEEMINGLY lazy, obese people riding around WDW on ECVs. Has anyone
out there wondered if that ever means that there isn't an ECV for someone
who really needs it?
I'm shutting up. It's obvious that only a few tried to understand what I was
saying, so I'll shut up.
SGC
"HVSteve" <hvst...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Paul
news:nm9rpvgk21sd6e8h0...@4ax.com:
> People like Sandi need to understand some simple facts.
I would be willing to bet that Sandi understands a whole lot more about
getting along in this world.
> 1. Most fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too
> little. Prove me wrong here.
Whether that statement is right or wrong does not excuse your
unwarrented display of hatred toward such people.
> 2. Some of us are getting damn tired of seeing this nation get more
> and more fat along with their children. Kids are now getting type two
> diabetes (adult onset) before they are 10 years old because of this
> problem.
So take care of yourself and your family to avoid this, and do something
positive. Your negative comments we have heard so far will not help
anyone to improve.
> 3. Because some of us speak out about it and say how old it gets
> getting out of the way of these overweight people you try to paint
> myself and others into a box of being rude and ignorant. Trust me I
> think it is you who is in the minority here.
So overweight people are after you and trying to run you down....
> 4. If a smoker wants to smoke where I'm not going to be effected by it
> then so be it. If a person wants to gorge themselves on junk food
> laced with fat and it doesn't effect me so be it. But I start to draw
> the line when someone's lack of weight control begins to intrude on my
> space in a line or a sidewalk or whatever. This is what promted me to
> write about the problem to begin with.
How does another person's eating habits affect you anyway? There is
plenty of room in a line for everyone, if they have a bit of
consideration for each other.
> So you can call myself and those who agree with me rude, intolerant,
> stupid or whatever else you can come up with. It makes no difference
> to me. Have we become so politically correct that we can't openly
> acknowledge that grossly obese people are becoming a pain at certain
> venues? Sorry but I will continue to speak my mind.
Definitely rude and intolerant, and nothing to do with being "PC" or
not. If the big folk are picking on poor skinny little you, then you
may have a complaint. But I doubt that you are going hungry because
others are overeating. Are you afraid that being overweight is
contageous? Then why are you so disturbed? The hatred you are showing
reminds me all too much of the type of hatred shown towards [pick any
minority].
Live and let live.
--
Paul in NH (PSS) -- lose the bad example to mail
Waiting for December 6 -- a week at DL Hotel!
And... March 16 - 22 BWV then Gaylord Palms 23 - 26
NYC4ever
the 7 year olds in strollers also is another group that needs to go.
ed badger
post.
I just can't figure out why people can't go to WDW and have a GREAT time.
If seeing someone
a little large on an EVC bothers a person, I feel so very bad for them!
Large people wear their disability for all to see, while rude, ignorant,
people hide theirs under they open their mouth or wiggle their fingers.
While I'm in the World, I'll be much happier to strike up a chat with a
large one. They usually display more whit and charm than than the self
centered ones.
If you like being thin, great for you, but don't wish your condition on
others. Every will pass this earth at some time, so lets enjoy what we have
while we are here..
Sandi Femino
<d...@don.com> wrote:
> People like Sandi need to understand some simple facts.
>
> 1. Most fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too
> little. Prove me wrong here.
>
> 2. Some of us are getting damn tired of seeing this nation get more
> and more fat along with their children. Kids are now getting type two
> diabetes (adult onset) before they are 10 years old because of this
> problem.
>
> 3. Because some of us speak out about it and say how old it gets
> getting out of the way of these overweight people you try to paint
> myself and others into a box of being rude and ignorant. Trust me I
> think it is you who is in the minority here.
>
> 4. If a smoker wants to smoke where I'm not going to be effected by it
> then so be it. If a person wants to gorge themselves on junk food
> laced with fat and it doesn't effect me so be it. But I start to draw
> the line when someone's lack of weight control begins to intrude on my
> space in a line or a sidewalk or whatever. This is what promted me to
> write about the problem to begin with.
>
> So you can call myself and those who agree with me rude, intolerant,
> stupid or whatever else you can come up with. It makes no difference
> to me. Have we become so politically correct that we can't openly
> acknowledge that grossly obese people are becoming a pain at certain
> venues? Sorry but I will continue to speak my mind.
You were doing far more than acknowledging or passing on observations or
pointing out that our country has a problem with weight issues.
It was when you simply made up numbers re WHO needed an ECV and who
didn't, and when you suggested that perhaps admission to the park should
be be predicated on someone's appearance that I decided to reply to you.
Those are the things that make you a bigot.
--
Sandi
Sandi Femino
In article <Xns9421CBE7868...@204.127.199.17>,
pssa...@comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net wrote:
--
Sandi
Charlie Foxtrot
<fem...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I disagree. I don't think it is OK to be rude or nasty to anyone.
>
Ah, but it is completly fine to make blatant false statements about
someone you dislike, correct Sandi?
Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
Well, since you aren't quoting anything, only you and, possibly, God
knows what you are replying to... But, since my newsreader indicates
that you made the response coming out of my post - which not all
newsreaders will do - I'll just say that I do not support people
grousing about other people's weight. I was simply agreeing that it's
kind of funny that some of the same people who have no problem talking
down smokers change their tune when the subject is large people.
Foxtrot
kickman77
what I understand some of the other posters are as well. I guess that
the originator of this post is gods gift or something. Disney World
is a place created for all people to come together and be happy and
have fun and it seems like there are a couple of people out there who
want to ruin it for everyone else. Please don't. Come on down and
have lots of fun (BTW the come on down is my ode to Rod Roddy
(announcer from Price is Right) whom passed today 10-27. RIP you will
be remembered :-) )
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:56:17 GMT, "ed badger" <ecba...@verizon.net>
wrote:
Lgw1060
>working out. I turned to eating for comfort and gained some weight. I need to
>drop a bunch myself.
This is sort of the point I was about to make. How does anyone know if many of
the people we see in motorized carts or wheelchairs aren't simply overweight
specifically *because* they're in chairs. I have a neighbor who was thin until
she became confined to a wheelchair due to MS. Now she's very overweight. Her
doctor told her she'd suffice on 800 calories a day to counteract her lack of
activity. My rabbit eats more than 800 calories a day!
And besides....who the heck is so bored at Disney that they're watching the
lady in the next table eat her butter?????
This stuff cracks me up!
Lisa
duchy
themselves that they'd desperately look for differences in other people to
mock in the hope others would be distracted from their own "defects". It's
called bullying. Can you imagine having such poor self esteem that instead
of enjoying WDW you are desperately looking for reasons to put other people
down because it makes you feel better about yourself. If you are confident
about yourself you don't need to attack other people because they are
"different".
And to the person who emailed me.....sorry to disappoint you but I'm an
American size 8-so no I'm not involved in this thread because I'm fat !! :)
duchy
"Lgw1060" <lgw...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Judy
>
> "Lgw1060" <lgw...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20031028000427...@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > >. I may need shoulder surgery and quit
> > >working out. I turned to eating for comfort and gained some weight. I
> need to
> > >drop a bunch myself.
> >
> > This is sort of the point I was about to make. How does anyone know if
> many of
> > the people we see in motorized carts or wheelchairs aren't simply
> overweight
> > specifically *because* they're in chairs. I have a neighbor who was thin
> until
> > she became confined to a wheelchair due to MS. Now she's very overweight.
> Her
> > doctor told her she'd suffice on 800 calories a day to counteract her lack
> of
> > activity. My rabbit eats more than 800 calories a day!
Rabbits are also very active and burn up the 800 calories that they eat.
Dave in Dallas
food and wanted to stay clear. But since it seems to have taken on a life of
its own, I'll toss my two cents in.
Who among us is so damed perfect we can throw stones at another person for
anything like being large? Why should someone else's physical size make any
difference to anyone? Were the people in question considerate? Polite?
Friendly? Tidy? Beyond that, it's really none of anyone else's business. Get a
life, folks!
Dave, Dallas, TX
"When all think alike, no one thinks very much."
Albert Einstein
Carol Kennedy
> Who among us is so damed perfect we can throw stones at another person for
> anything like being large? Why should someone else's physical size make
any
> difference to anyone? Were the people in question considerate? Polite?
> Friendly? Tidy? Beyond that, it's really none of anyone else's business.
Get a
> life, folks!
I've more than once heard the theory that humans tend to belittle, insult,
oppress, and otherwise attack others for characteristics they most fear in
or for themselves.
--
Carol Kennedy, TDC Pollo Grande, Speaker of Inadequate Spanish, and
Translator without Portfolio
Zephyr Max
not fat it is because I am active and eating the right foods and
watching my caloric intake. When I am fat it is because I am eating the
wrong foods, not as active, and eating too much.
This applies to many, many, many, many, many, people out there.
I am attracted to Disney World regardless of my current weight. Wal
Mart, however, is a different story! (Just trolling to continue this
way too long thread! :))
mickeyc...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Dave- me too. (just a glance at the thread) and as usual you
expressed my sentiments exactly.
( insert sarcasm emoticon-if I knew one) While we're at it, why don't
we remove all the people who cut in line, run into you with their
strollers, stand in front of you at parades, talk or laugh too loudly,
smoke on their balconies-( I know they're allowed, but it's not
pleasant for the non-smoking people next door), drink too much, worry
too much, lose their tempers, and expend thier energy complaining
about the faults of others! Some of these behaviors are rude, some
cause health problems that we all pay for.
But, this is life- just deal with it already and quit complaining.
Live and let live. Once you start down the road of singling out a
particluar group, it is only a matter of time before someone singles
out you.
People who drive recklessly increase all of our insurance rates.
People who abuse their bodies raise all of our insurance rates.
We all pay for the behaviors of others and they are paying for us. No
one is perfect and if we can't see that were all connected then our
species is doomed. The circle of life includes us all.
Amen, and whatever!
MickeyC
>
mickeyc...@hotmail.com
>People like Sandi need to understand some simple facts.
>
>1. Most fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too
>little. Prove me wrong here.
>
That may or may not be true, but is not relevant to the issue that
seems to be the one being debated- restriction of access to WDW and
ECVs.
>2. Some of us are getting damn tired of seeing this nation get more
>and more fat along with their children. Kids are now getting type two
>diabetes (adult onset) before they are 10 years old because of this
>problem.
It is a sad fact that Americans are getting more and more overweight.
This is a complicated problem and is not just a matter of self-control
and exercise. One factor that deserves more attention than I have seen
anyone give it here is the increase in American's eating fast food.
The statistics are frightening. What about all the TV commercials
about super-sizing things and the emphahis on quantity over quality in
our popular culture? Is it any wonder that a society that believes
bigger is better is getting bigger?
>3. Because some of us speak out about it and say how old it gets
>getting out of the way of these overweight people you try to paint
>myself and others into a box of being rude and ignorant. Trust me I
>think it is you who is in the minority here.
I have seen too many threads where people claim to represent the
majority. This is pretty silly when you think about the fact that we
are not the same group of people everyday and not everyone posts on
every thread. And what difference does it make? These are all value
judgments- what is rude, what isn't? Your comment may resonate with
one person and offend another. That doesn't maek either one right or
wrong, but we all have the right to comment either way.>
>4. If a smoker wants to smoke where I'm not going to be effected by it
>then so be it. If a person wants to gorge themselves on junk food
>laced with fat and it doesn't effect me so be it. But I start to draw
>the line when someone's lack of weight control begins to intrude on my
>space in a line or a sidewalk or whatever. This is what promted me to
>write about the problem to begin with.
You are affected by smokers, even if they are not in your vicinity.
You are also affected by people who get into car accidents, have type
A personalities that lead to heart attacks, are alcohol or drug
dependent, and who participate in insurance fraud. We all pay- it is a
mistake to think that you aren't. My last car insurance bill was
higher and when I questioned my agent he said it was because of the
rise in health costs due to there being more bodily harm in accidents.
Perhaps there are some cars on the road that tend to roll over and
cause more bodily harm.....and we are all paying for that.
>So you can call myself and those who agree with me rude, intolerant,
>stupid or whatever else you can come up with. It makes no difference
>to me. Have we become so politically correct that we can't openly
>acknowledge that grossly obese people are becoming a pain at certain
>venues? Sorry but I will continue to speak my mind.
Tolerance has nothing to do with PC. Concern about obesity is not the
same thing as expressing contempt or believing that because someone is
grossly overweight they should be restricted in their enjoyment of
WDW. Yes, it may be an inconvenience for you and others, but why
single out obese people? Aren't there other behaviors at WDW that
inconvenience you?
>
MickeyC
Sandi Femino
mickeyc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Dave- me too. (just a glance at the thread) and as usual you
> expressed my sentiments exactly.
> ( insert sarcasm emoticon-if I knew one) While we're at it, why don't
> we remove all the people who cut in line, run into you with their
> strollers, stand in front of you at parades, talk or laugh too loudly,
> smoke on their balconies-( I know they're allowed, but it's not
> pleasant for the non-smoking people next door), drink too much, worry
> too much, lose their tempers, and expend thier energy complaining
> about the faults of others! Some of these behaviors are rude, some
> cause health problems that we all pay for.
> But, this is life- just deal with it already and quit complaining.
> Live and let live. Once you start down the road of singling out a
> particluar group, it is only a matter of time before someone singles
> out you.
> People who drive recklessly increase all of our insurance rates.
> People who abuse their bodies raise all of our insurance rates.
> We all pay for the behaviors of others and they are paying for us. No
> one is perfect and if we can't see that were all connected then our
> species is doomed. The circle of life includes us all.
> Amen, and whatever!
Whew!
Happy to see this thread tipping toward the rational and humane with
posts from you MickeyC, Dave, lgw, duchy, Figaro, Grumpy and Paragon. I
was beginning to feel there was little humanity left in the group.
I raise my coffee cup to you all.
--
Sandi
Sandi Femino
<kick...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> (BTW the come on down is my ode to Rod Roddy
> (announcer from Price is Right) whom passed today 10-27.
I didn't hear that..P is R won't be the same....
--
Sandi
Carol Kennedy
> Is it any wonder that a society that believes
> bigger is better is getting bigger?
Very good point. "Bigger is better" has been the American way for a long,
long time. There have been a few blips in the trend--for example, the period
when smaller, more economical cars were seen as better and the limited
movement to smaller, better designed houses. But taller people get better
jobs and make more money; the taller candidate is almost always elected
President; big cars have long been associated with wealth and status; big
houses, the same; small companies merge or get bought up into big
conglomerates; TVs are getting bigger all the time ...
In American life, "bigger" means better, more successful, more prestigious,
more desirable.
whites...@titanic.org
news:O8pnb.3685$dB5.34...@news-text.cableinet.net...
> The same people who when they were at school had such poor self images of
> themselves that they'd desperately look for differences in other people to
> mock in the hope others would be distracted from their own "defects". It's
> called bullying.
It is *called* "selfishness". Surely these people must be aware of their
size and revolting nature, and yet often do not attempt to spare the rest of
us their affliction. Unfortunately, the media has been telling folks that
they should be proud of their fatness, and have a "right" to be so. May be,
but they don't have a right to inflict it on the rest of us. "Fat, proud,
and happy" is the wrong attitude. "I'm fat, I know it isn't good for me, and
I'm working on it, please bear with me." is closer. It's selfish to impose
one's lack of willpower and exercise on the rest of the world.
duchy
<whites...@titanic.org> wrote in message news:x0xnb.9801
Unfortunately, the media has been telling folks that
they should be proud of their fatness, and have a "right" to be so.
This would be the same media blamed for the increase in anorexia and
bulimia. The media that tells people they must be thin and attractive to be
loved and sucessful . That rarely uses models or actors that are overweight
in advertisements or television shows or movies in positive roles..
Defend your position by all means but please use rationality and accuracy.
duchy
whites...@titanic.org
> bulimia. The media that tells people they must be thin and attractive to
be
> loved and sucessful . That rarely uses models or actors that are
overweight
> in advertisements or television shows or movies in positive roles..
> Defend your position by all means but please use rationality and accuracy.
Well, I'm not really sure what you're after. Bear in mind that I've been out
of bed about 20 minutes.
In either case, it doesn't have anything to do with the original idea. Which
was, I think, basically the following :
1. Use of one of these little scooties by someone without a medical reason
is just plain lazy. And in WDW it's especially a problem just because of the
nature of the place. If it's someone with a medical reason, it doesn't
bother me any more than a wheelchair, which is not at all. I used to be in
one. It's when I see obese people *electively* using one that bugs me.
and 2. Having been in the world for a while, and to The World many times, I
can't help but notice these people will often "throw their weight around" by
using their girth to push, shove, and generally take advantage. By no means
*all* these people, but you know it happens plenty. I'm 5'4", and weigh 100
lbs., so I get shoved around in Disney crowds a LOT. Which is as rude as
anything else.
More coffee for me ......
BSimon2748
loss..they drop down to 180, 160 lbs. and are eating only 600 calories per day!
The nasty attitude people should really read up on obesity. I challenge them to
read up on it and actually think instead of react!
Tell your neighbor that she does not need to do 800 calories a day. I have lost
weight and maintained at 130lb for a few years now while being semi non-walker.
I used weight watcher online. Going to polio clinic soon, they say to make
breakfast and lunch high protein low carb rather than cut calories. Cuts the
pain down too. Will know more once I do it.
My weight is more stable since I added HagenDaz in! (1/4 cup servings a few
times per day for a snack) Fills you up and tastes great.
So when you see me use a scooter and stand up, assume I use it for a reason and
NOT cause I want to see everyone's butt. the view from the scooter has its
downside.
BSimon2748
>he wrong attitude.
Since you have psychic powers which let you tell if people feel the "right" way
about their weight you need to stand in front of a mirror and use them on
yourself. Because either you will realize that you have a level of anger and
meanness that is "eating" you up, or you'll have a heart attack from the rage
and end up being one of those scooter riders asap.
whites...@titanic.org
Cheers
"BSimon2748" <bsimo...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031028124222...@mb-m29.aol.com...
eric brumble
enjoy their park. Granted, many people abuse the amenities due to their own
laziness. For instance, my sister has asthma. I had to push her around in a
wheelchair, since the intense heat and humidity really made it hard for her
to breathe and sapped her strength. Should we have not gone to WDW? Maybe.
But the summer was the only time we could plan it as a family, and it was
for her birthday. So why make her feel worse about her illness? Anyway, I
pushed her in her chair throughout the week. We got in through the
"wheelchair" line and got right on the rides. My sister was able to get up
out of the chair and walk onto the boat, car, etc. Behind us, many people
groaned, complained, and made comments like, "She doesn't really need that."
Without feeling obligated to give a medical background on my sister...I
commented that if he really wanted to be carted around WDW in a wheelchair I
would be happy to assist putting him in one. Did not get many comments after
that. Other people have problems with their thyroid gland, that turns down
the metabolism. They gain wait extremely easily. Also with a thyroid
problem, energy level is very low. Some people that are just fat, have
severe joint problems from holding up the excess wait.
It is unfair to ass-u-me that someone is just being lazy when you see them
use a ECV or a wheelchair. There are many hidden disabilities.
But, there are many people who take advantage of the rentals for their own
laziness. People who are just fat and cannt haul their fat ass all over the
park. And people who just do not want to walk. But, I think that this is
such a small percentage of actual users. I saw more abuse of regular
wheelchairs in my many visits to the park. I saw families changing off so
everyone got to ride the chair during the day. Some would even carry their
shopping in it. Disgraceful.
I do not let it bother me though. I am just happy that everyone can have a
good time in WDW.
SGC
> >1. Most fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too
> >little. Prove me wrong here.
> >
> That may or may not be true, but is not relevant to the issue that
> seems to be the one being debated- restriction of access to WDW and
> ECVs.
Okay, I've taken a deep breath. I see where I erred. I thought the topic was
different from:
"restriction of access to WDW and ECVs".
I didn't intend for ANY of my comments to insinuate (or out-and-out say)
that I thought WDW should be restricted from anyone because of size.
I was merely agreeing that in appearance and behavior it seems that the
current policies about renting/obtaining an ECV are being abused by
laz-abouts.
SGC
JRClarkJR
>people allowed to enter the park based on their weight/body size and use
>of an ECV is a "generalized comment based on observation and fact" ?
>
>--
>Sandi
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hey if Walt can stop long hairs why not wide butts?
TDC Sir Mickey RşoşN,
Keeper of everything magical on a Disney Evening
WDW
'73 off; '80 F.W.; '82 Poly; '96 DxL; '98 Sports; '99 PO; '00 Music/Dolphin;
'01 W.L.; 02 AKL; 03 GF/Hard Rock
DL '86, '94, '97, '99, '01, '02
JRClarkJR
>>a happy place for all to enjoy.
>>
>>--
>>Sandi
NOt walt....he excluded long hairs
JRClarkJR
>themselves that they'd desperately look for differences in other people to
>mock in the hope others would be distracted from their own "defects". It's
>called bullyi
>ng. Can you imagine having such poor self esteem that instead
>of enjoying WDW you are desperately looking for reasons to put other people
>down because it makes you feel better about yourself. If you are confident
>about yourself you d
>on't need to attack other people because they are
>"different".
>And to the person who emailed me.....sorry to disappoint you but I'm an
>American size 8-so no I'm not involved in this thread because I'm fat !! :)
>
>duchy
>
>
I only view and put down those from Europe!
JRClarkJR
>anything like being large? Why should someone else's physical size make any
>difference to anyone? Were the people in question considerate? Polite?
>Friendly? Tidy? Beyond that, it's really none of anyone else's business. Get
>a
>life, folks!
>
>
>Dave, Dallas, TX
>
Every sit next to a heifer on a plane whose fat ooooozes on to your seat
{casting the first proverbial stone ; 0 }
xoxoxox
JRClarkJR
>oppress, and otherwise attack others for characteristics they most fear in
>or for themselves.
>
>--
>Carol Kennedy,
So why aren't you insulting simpletons, polyannas, and anal grammatical error
finding editors?
no offense hehe
JRClarkJR
What is it about you metro-sexuals that you need to be where the people are and
in the middle of it vying for attention?
just a question
JRClarkJR
>the troll alone, kill the thread, and move on to bigger and better things
>like . . .
>
>breastfeeding rights at WDW,
>Gay Days, or
>ANYTHING else, which would be more intelligent than this thread.
>
>We know that there are overweight people everywhere, WDW included. What
>this person fails to understand is that there are legitimate medical reasons
>for some people to be overweight (thyroid, metabolic diseases, etc.). He
>just probably doesn't understand it. And from the looks of the original
>post, he may be another 13 year old.
>
>Let's move on . . . nothing to see here . . . time to plan another trip.
>
>Patrick Carr
>TDC Protector of the Magic that is all
Oh, Patrick, yet you stopped, you looked and you commented!
JRClarkJR
>doesn't deserve the attention it has received.
>
Lets get really crass!
fat chicks are worse than fat guys.
Nana but seriously: Fat guys always justify their weight with "ye but I use to
play high school football." They blame bad backs and knees on football when in
reality research shows that joints are eroded double the time with every 10 lbs
overweight.
Man my knee hurts....
JRClarkJR
>wanted to say ;).
>
>duchy
Just curious...is duchy a man or woman?
Who is more offended by this post men or women?
JRClarkJR
>the 7 year olds in strollers also is another group that needs to go.
Ok, now you really ticked me off. Have you ever had to pull a 7 year old along.
Why not let the poor kid sleep. They can't physically keep up with adults and
it isn't their fault like a fat person. There is no limit for strollers and
age. For that matter why don't they offer adult strollers, I have been pushing
for that on RADP for years.
Lowell
"Dave in Dallas" <dav...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
Why should someone else's physical size make any
> difference to anyone?
It's not the size people object to, it's the gluttony and laziness that
causes the size to be what it is.
Judy
> I'm only glancing at this thread from time to time. I assumed it was troll
> food and wanted to stay clear. But since it seems to have taken on a life of
> its own, I'll toss my two cents in.
>
> Who among us is so damed perfect we can throw stones at another person for
> anything like being large? Why should someone else's physical size make any
> difference to anyone? Were the people in question considerate? Polite?
> Friendly? Tidy? Beyond that, it's really none of anyone else's business. Get a
> life, folks!
>
>
> Dave, Dallas, TX
>
> "When all think alike, no one thinks very much."
> Albert Einstein
Dave,
You are right. Last night, I watched a program about weight and
people's conceptions of overweight people. It was very enlightening
and quite an eye-opener. I'm sorry for my previous stupid posts on
this subject.
Judy
Djali
> AMEN! We were just there and noticed the same thing! Put the fork down! Also
> the 7 year olds in strollers also is another group that needs to go.
I was more than a little ticked when I waited 45 minutes in line at
the Comedy Warehouse this weekend to get front row seats... only to
see TWO overweight people in wheelchairs AND their party of ten guests
hogging most of the room! Only the first few people in line got floor
seats.. everyone else that had been waiting upwards of half an hour
got sent back!! How unfair!! I don't understand why they can't wait
in line with the rest of us!!
Sandi Femino
> Dave,
> You are right. Last night, I watched a program about weight and
> people's conceptions of overweight people. It was very enlightening
> and quite an eye-opener. I'm sorry for my previous stupid posts on
> this subject.
Good for you, Judy. I applaud your willingness to aplogize.
--
Sandi
Sandi Femino
jrcl...@aol.comnospam (JRClarkJR) wrote:
> >they could let in a person who would embrace Walt"s vision of
> >>a happy place for all to enjoy.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Sandi
>
> NOt walt....he excluded long hairs
You are mistaken..he did not exclude anyone from his park.
--
Sandi
Sandi Femino
<whites...@titanic.org> wrote:
> It is *called* "selfishness". Surely these people must be aware of their
> size and revolting nature, and yet often do not attempt to spare the rest
> of
> us their affliction.
Just think about what you wrote here. You say they are selfish, but you
want them to lead the life YOU say they should to spare YOU having to
look at them? Sounds pretty selfish on your part.
How do you know someone would not consider YOU revolting?
Unfortunately, the media has been telling folks that
> they should be proud of their fatness, and have a "right" to be so. May
> be,
> but they don't have a right to inflict it on the rest of us.
"Fat, proud,
> and happy" is the wrong attitude. "I'm fat, I know it isn't good for me,
> and
> I'm working on it, please bear with me." is closer.
Because you say so?
It's selfish to
> impose
> one's lack of willpower and exercise on the rest of the world.
It is at least as equally selfish to impose your viewpoint and
intolerance on others and expect then to change for you.
--
Sandi
Dave in Dallas
>It's not the size people object to, it's the gluttony and laziness that
>causes the size to be what it is.
So how does that affect you? Live your life and they can live theirs. Simple.
Problem solved. If your life is without fault, then maybe you'd have a point.
Is your life truely without fault? Mine isn't.
Dave in Dallas
>1. Use of one of these little scooties by someone without a medical reason
>is just plain lazy.
I know this has been said a 1000 times, but how do you KNOW they don't have a
medical condition? Just because they are breathing from an oxygen bottle or
have a leg in a cast doesn't mean they have a medical condition.
>Having been in the world for a while, and to The World many times, I
>can't help but notice these people will often "throw their weight around" by
>using their girth to push, shove, and generally take advantage.
Never once have I seen this happen. Never ONCE! And I've been to WDW and to
DLand more times than I can count.
Dave in Dallas
>I only view and put down those from Europe!
Did you forget your meds today, or something? You really seem like you're
itcheing for a cyber-space fat lip. You really do.
Dave in Dallas
>Every sit next to a heifer on a plane whose fat ooooozes on to your seat
>{casting the first proverbial stone ; 0 }
Well, I'm so glad you're the perfect one among us. But to edit the rude
descriptions out of your post so as to be able to answer, yes, I did sit next
to a large woman on my last trip to WDW. She tried very hard to find a seat
with an open seat next to her. But it was a crowded flight. When she realized
that she had to take her assigned seat next to me, I saw in her face that she
was expecting attitude from me. I honestly felt really bad for her. I did
everything I could to make her comfotable, and to be friendly with her. OK,
sure, we were both cramped. But we lived through it. And I met a nice person in
the process. It doesn't take a hell of a lot to be a little understanding with
other people. It really doesn't.