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TMC
Apr 1, 2013, 3:05:47 AM4/1/13
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If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
family entertainment? All they are doing is catering to the lowest
common denominator (preppy tweens and teens and/or spoiled college
kids). ABC has especially gone downhill with their LCD sitcoms and
dramas, reality shows, and left-leaning (in my opinion) evening
newscasts. That has made me conclude that Mr. Iger and Disney need to
do something about this, and I think spinning off Disney/ABC
Television Group (and that includes all of their television networks,
even Disney Channel) into a separate publicly-traded company would be
the best bet. Think about it... Disney can focus on what they do best
(movies, animation, and theme parks) while the new Disney/ABC (which
would probably be renamed ABC Inc. if the spin-off were to occur)
would focus on television properties and broadcasting. Your thoughts?
Agree or disagree?
If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
family entertainment? All they are doing is catering to the lowest
common denominator (preppy tweens and teens and/or spoiled college
kids). ABC has especially gone downhill with their LCD sitcoms and
dramas, reality shows, and left-leaning (in my opinion) evening
newscasts. That has made me conclude that Mr. Iger and Disney need to
do something about this, and I think spinning off Disney/ABC
Television Group (and that includes all of their television networks,
even Disney Channel) into a separate publicly-traded company would be
the best bet. Think about it... Disney can focus on what they do best
(movies, animation, and theme parks) while the new Disney/ABC (which
would probably be renamed ABC Inc. if the spin-off were to occur)
would focus on television properties and broadcasting. Your thoughts?
Agree or disagree?
Ian J. Ball
Apr 1, 2013, 10:23:03 AM4/1/13
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In article
<bd19d7c2-a2f9-4f35...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
pure crap on the internet...
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"Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls",
Episode #1.1, "Wipeout".
Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!
<bd19d7c2-a2f9-4f35...@mz7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
TMC <tmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.retrojunk.com/forum/post/list/default/51409
>
> If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
> Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
> it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
> whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
> think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
> Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
> destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
> Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
> Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
> family entertainment?
Proving that there are still plenty of shit-for-brains people posting
> http://www.retrojunk.com/forum/post/list/default/51409
>
> If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
> Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
> it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
> whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
> think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
> Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
> destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
> Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
> Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
> family entertainment?
pure crap on the internet...
--
"Surf-crazed aliens... Of course." - Amber, "Alien Surf Girls",
Episode #1.1, "Wipeout".
Wait a minute... "Of course"?! "*Of course*"?!! Did I miss a step here??!!
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 1, 2013, 10:44:27 AM4/1/13
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Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
Ian J. Ball <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>TMC <tmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.retrojunk.com/forum/post/list/default/51409
>>If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
>>Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
>>it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
>>whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
>>think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
>>Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
>>destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
>>Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
>>Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
>>family entertainment?
>Proving that there are still plenty of shit-for-brains people posting
>pure crap on the internet...
I looked up one of those shows. Pretty Little Liars is listed as
ABC Family
Alloy Entertainment
Warner Horizon Television
Alloy Entertainment was bought by Warner Bros. Television last year.
I don't understand why Warner Horizon Television was founded to compete
with Warner Bros. Television, or how they decide which produces what
programming, but typical Warner Bros. to set up competing divisions.
What was ABC Family's role except to put up cash? I don't see this as
hurting the Walt Disney brand as the show is produced by Warner.
Do television viewers even care which studio owns the network, or even
which studio produced the show?
Probably no point in looking up the others.
Ian J. Ball <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>TMC <tmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.retrojunk.com/forum/post/list/default/51409
>>If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
>>Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
>>it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
>>whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
>>think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
>>Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
>>destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
>>Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
>>Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
>>family entertainment?
>Proving that there are still plenty of shit-for-brains people posting
>pure crap on the internet...
ABC Family
Alloy Entertainment
Warner Horizon Television
Alloy Entertainment was bought by Warner Bros. Television last year.
I don't understand why Warner Horizon Television was founded to compete
with Warner Bros. Television, or how they decide which produces what
programming, but typical Warner Bros. to set up competing divisions.
What was ABC Family's role except to put up cash? I don't see this as
hurting the Walt Disney brand as the show is produced by Warner.
Do television viewers even care which studio owns the network, or even
which studio produced the show?
Probably no point in looking up the others.
Obveeus
Apr 1, 2013, 10:59:58 AM4/1/13
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Three?
> Ian J. Ball <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>TMC <tmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>http://www.retrojunk.com/forum/post/list/default/51409
>
>>>If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
>>>Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
>>>it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
>>>whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
>>>think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
>>>Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
>>>destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
>>>Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
>>>Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
>>>family entertainment?
>
>>Proving that there are still plenty of shit-for-brains people posting
>>pure crap on the internet...
>
> I looked up one of those shows. Pretty Little Liars is listed as
> ABC Family
> Alloy Entertainment
> Warner Horizon Television
>
> Alloy Entertainment was bought by Warner Bros. Television last year.
>
> I don't understand why Warner Horizon Television was founded to compete
> with Warner Bros. Television, or how they decide which produces what
> programming, but typical Warner Bros. to set up competing divisions.
I think Horizon is the low rent version of Warner Bros. They seem to focus
on cable series and reality TV and probably have some locked in lower union
rates in exchange for creating for the cheaper cable markets.
> Do television viewers even care which studio owns the network, or even
> which studio produced the show?
They should, at least with respect to Warner Bros, since it greatly
increases the likelihood that a show won't be available OnDemand or on a
network's website after it airs.
> Ian J. Ball <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>TMC <tmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>http://www.retrojunk.com/forum/post/list/default/51409
>
>>>If you ask me, ever since Bob Iger became CEO of the Walt Disney
>>>Company in 2005, he began fixing the problems Michael Eisner made when
>>>it came to movies (buying Pixar, bringing back quality animated movies
>>>whether they're 2D or CGI) and theme parks. Unfortunately, I don't
>>>think he's been doing anything to their television arm, Disney/ABC
>>>Television Group. All Disney/ABC has been doing since 2006 is
>>>destroying the Disney name and the company's reputation. Hannah
>>>Montana? High School Musical? Shake It Up? Disney XD? Pretty Little
>>>Liars? How do these live up to the company's standards of quality
>>>family entertainment?
>
>>Proving that there are still plenty of shit-for-brains people posting
>>pure crap on the internet...
>
> I looked up one of those shows. Pretty Little Liars is listed as
> ABC Family
> Alloy Entertainment
> Warner Horizon Television
>
> Alloy Entertainment was bought by Warner Bros. Television last year.
>
> I don't understand why Warner Horizon Television was founded to compete
> with Warner Bros. Television, or how they decide which produces what
> programming, but typical Warner Bros. to set up competing divisions.
on cable series and reality TV and probably have some locked in lower union
rates in exchange for creating for the cheaper cable markets.
> Do television viewers even care which studio owns the network, or even
> which studio produced the show?
increases the likelihood that a show won't be available OnDemand or on a
network's website after it airs.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 1, 2013, 11:13:27 AM4/1/13
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Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
>Three?
Why, yes, Obveeus. The root article was crossposted to five newsgroups.
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
>Three?
Ian failed to cut the crosspost in his followup, so I cut it in mine.
Three of the five groups were bullshit, so I cut them.
Five minus three left two in the crosspost, which you might have
observed yourself.
Obveeus
Apr 1, 2013, 12:55:14 PM4/1/13
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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote in message
news:kjc86n$ufb$1...@news.albasani.net...
> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>>Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
>
>>Three?
>
> Why, yes, Obveeus. The root article was crossposted to five newsgroups.
> Ian failed to cut the crosspost in his followup, so I cut it in mine.
> Three of the five groups were bullshit, so I cut them.
That would be a crosspost cut *of* three newsgroups, not a crosspost cut to
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>>Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
>
>>Three?
>
> Why, yes, Obveeus. The root article was crossposted to five newsgroups.
> Ian failed to cut the crosspost in his followup, so I cut it in mine.
> Three of the five groups were bullshit, so I cut them.
three newsgroups.
> Five minus three left two in the crosspost, which you might have
> observed yourself.
English.
Adam H. Kerman
Apr 1, 2013, 12:57:20 PM4/1/13
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Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
>>>Three?
>>Why, yes, Obveeus. The root article was crossposted to five newsgroups.
>>Ian failed to cut the crosspost in his followup, so I cut it in mine.
>>Three of the five groups were bullshit, so I cut them.
>That would be a crosspost cut *of* three newsgroups, not a crosspost cut to
>three newsgroups.
>>Five minus three left two in the crosspost, which you might have
>>observed yourself.
>Thanks for the remedial attempt at a math lesson. Next up, you can work on
>English.
Thanks for the grammar flame. Nothing's lower than that.
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>Crosspost cut to three bullshit newsgroups.
>>>Three?
>>Why, yes, Obveeus. The root article was crossposted to five newsgroups.
>>Ian failed to cut the crosspost in his followup, so I cut it in mine.
>>Three of the five groups were bullshit, so I cut them.
>That would be a crosspost cut *of* three newsgroups, not a crosspost cut to
>three newsgroups.
>>Five minus three left two in the crosspost, which you might have
>>observed yourself.
>Thanks for the remedial attempt at a math lesson. Next up, you can work on
>English.
Bill Steele
Apr 1, 2013, 1:36:18 PM4/1/13
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adult-oriented Disney Property, like Touchstone Films. But Disney
Channel needs to be MORE Disney. Right now it seems they're trying to be
Nickelodeon. And Nickelodeon does it better.
Howard Brazee
Apr 1, 2013, 2:02:08 PM4/1/13
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On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:36:18 -0400, Bill Steele <ws...@cornel.edu>
wrote:
>Half agree. ABC, take it or leave it. It can go on being an
>adult-oriented Disney Property, like Touchstone Films. But Disney
>Channel needs to be MORE Disney. Right now it seems they're trying to be
>Nickelodeon. And Nickelodeon does it better.
It would be less risky if Disney didn't have virtually the same
formula every time I am at my grandchildren's houses and they have it
on TV.
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Anybody who agrees with one side all of the time or disagrees with the
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their thinking for them.
wrote:
>Half agree. ABC, take it or leave it. It can go on being an
>adult-oriented Disney Property, like Touchstone Films. But Disney
>Channel needs to be MORE Disney. Right now it seems they're trying to be
>Nickelodeon. And Nickelodeon does it better.
formula every time I am at my grandchildren's houses and they have it
on TV.
--
Anybody who agrees with one side all of the time or disagrees with the
other side all of the time is equally guilty of letting others do
their thinking for them.
Ian J. Ball
Apr 2, 2013, 8:48:17 AM4/2/13
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In article <ws21-F510F8.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Except NICK *doesn't* do it better, which is why NICK's ratings are in
the toilet compared to Disney Channel's, and why NICK no longer has even
one show that anyone wants to watch currently.
the toilet compared to Disney Channel's, and why NICK no longer has even
one show that anyone wants to watch currently.
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