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"We Asked Too Much Of The Audience": Disney Exec Offers Excuse For "Lightyear" Flop, Makes No Mention Of Same-Sex Kiss
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Ubiquitous
Feb 28, 2023, 8:07:47 AM2/28/23
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One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the “Toy Story” spinoff
“Lightyear” was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
understanding what they were trying to do.
“We’ve done a lot of soul-searching about that because we all love the movie.
We love the characters and the premise. I think probably what we’ve ended on
in terms of what went wrong is that we asked too much of the audience,”
Pixar’s chief creative officer Peter Docter told The Wrap.
“When they hear Buzz, they’re like, great, where’s Mr. Potato Head and Woody
and Rex? And then we drop them into this science fiction film that they’re
like, What?” the filmmaker continued. “Even if they’ve read the material in
press, it was just a little too distant, both in concept, and I think in the
way that characters were drawn, that they were portrayed. It was much more of
a science fiction.”
Docter went on to describe the “Toy Story” characters as “much broader,”
saying, “I think there was a disconnect between what people wanted/expected
and what we were giving to them.”
The 2022 animated film earned a paltry $226.4 million against a $200 million
budget, meaning it likely lost money after factoring in marketing and other
expenses.
“Lightyear” caused a controversy leading up to its release due to the
inclusion of a same-sex kiss which was initially edited out, then reinstated
in response to Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Bill, dubbed the “Don’t
Say Gay Bill” by several media outlets and leftists.
There was also some pushback to Chris Evans replacing Tim Allen as the voice
of Buzz Lightyear. He was in favor of the same-sex kiss scene staying in the
movie, saying those who disagreed were “idiots.”
“Every time there’s been social advancement as we wake up, the American
story, the human story is one of constant social awakening and growth and
that’s what makes us good,” Evans told Reuters during an interview.
“Disney put a line in the sand saying, we’re putting this [kiss] back in, but
also, we’re not going to remove it for any other territories, in these places
that would have a problem with it.” The actor said, adding the kiss scene was
“nice, and it’s wonderful, it makes me happy.”
“It’s tough to not be a little frustrated that it even has to be a topic of
discussion,” Evans added. “That it is this kind of ‘news.’ The goal is that
we can get to a point where it is the norm, and that this doesn’t have to be
some uncharted waters, that eventually this is just the way it is. That
representation across the board is how we make films.”
Even critics in favor of or neutral toward the controversial kiss scene said
the movie had multiple plot holes and strayed too far from the original “Toy
Story” storylines for audiences to embrace it the same way as other
installments of the franchise.
Disney just announced that they’ll be making “Toy Story 5” in addition to
several other additions to popular franchises.
--
Let's go Brandon!
“Lightyear” was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
understanding what they were trying to do.
“We’ve done a lot of soul-searching about that because we all love the movie.
We love the characters and the premise. I think probably what we’ve ended on
in terms of what went wrong is that we asked too much of the audience,”
Pixar’s chief creative officer Peter Docter told The Wrap.
“When they hear Buzz, they’re like, great, where’s Mr. Potato Head and Woody
and Rex? And then we drop them into this science fiction film that they’re
like, What?” the filmmaker continued. “Even if they’ve read the material in
press, it was just a little too distant, both in concept, and I think in the
way that characters were drawn, that they were portrayed. It was much more of
a science fiction.”
Docter went on to describe the “Toy Story” characters as “much broader,”
saying, “I think there was a disconnect between what people wanted/expected
and what we were giving to them.”
The 2022 animated film earned a paltry $226.4 million against a $200 million
budget, meaning it likely lost money after factoring in marketing and other
expenses.
“Lightyear” caused a controversy leading up to its release due to the
inclusion of a same-sex kiss which was initially edited out, then reinstated
in response to Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Bill, dubbed the “Don’t
Say Gay Bill” by several media outlets and leftists.
There was also some pushback to Chris Evans replacing Tim Allen as the voice
of Buzz Lightyear. He was in favor of the same-sex kiss scene staying in the
movie, saying those who disagreed were “idiots.”
“Every time there’s been social advancement as we wake up, the American
story, the human story is one of constant social awakening and growth and
that’s what makes us good,” Evans told Reuters during an interview.
“Disney put a line in the sand saying, we’re putting this [kiss] back in, but
also, we’re not going to remove it for any other territories, in these places
that would have a problem with it.” The actor said, adding the kiss scene was
“nice, and it’s wonderful, it makes me happy.”
“It’s tough to not be a little frustrated that it even has to be a topic of
discussion,” Evans added. “That it is this kind of ‘news.’ The goal is that
we can get to a point where it is the norm, and that this doesn’t have to be
some uncharted waters, that eventually this is just the way it is. That
representation across the board is how we make films.”
Even critics in favor of or neutral toward the controversial kiss scene said
the movie had multiple plot holes and strayed too far from the original “Toy
Story” storylines for audiences to embrace it the same way as other
installments of the franchise.
Disney just announced that they’ll be making “Toy Story 5” in addition to
several other additions to popular franchises.
--
Let's go Brandon!
anim8rfsk
Feb 28, 2023, 10:00:52 AM2/28/23
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Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the “Toy Story” spinoff
> “Lightyear” was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
> understanding what they were trying to do.
They were trying to punish Tim Allen and reward Chris Evans. I think we
> One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the “Toy Story” spinoff
> “Lightyear” was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
> understanding what they were trying to do.
pretty much got it which is why we didn’t go anywhere near the movie.
>
> --
> Let's go Brandon!
>
>
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.
BTR1701
Feb 28, 2023, 1:12:51 PM2/28/23
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In article <ttkub0$3jtih$4...@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the TOY STORY spinoff
> LIGHTYEAR was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
> saying, "I think there was a disconnect between what people wanted/expected
> STORY storylines for audiences to embrace it the same way as other
> installments of the franchise.
>
> Disney just announced that they'll be making TOY STORY 5 in addition to
around like idiots scratching their heads when it flops as well.
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the TOY STORY spinoff
> LIGHTYEAR was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
> understanding what they were trying to do.
>
> "We've done a lot of soul-searching about that because we all love the movie.
> We love the characters and the premise. I think probably what we've ended on
> in terms of what went wrong is that we asked too much of the audience,"
> Pixar's chief creative officer Peter Docter told The Wrap.
>
> "When they hear Buzz, they're like, great, where's Mr. Potato Head and Woody
> and Rex? And then we drop them into this science fiction film that they're
> like, What?" the filmmaker continued. "Even if they've read the material in
> press, it was just a little too distant, both in concept, and I think in the
> way that characters were drawn, that they were portrayed. It was much more of
> a science fiction."
>
> Docter went on to describe the TOY STORY characters as "much broader",
>
> "We've done a lot of soul-searching about that because we all love the movie.
> We love the characters and the premise. I think probably what we've ended on
> in terms of what went wrong is that we asked too much of the audience,"
> Pixar's chief creative officer Peter Docter told The Wrap.
>
> "When they hear Buzz, they're like, great, where's Mr. Potato Head and Woody
> and Rex? And then we drop them into this science fiction film that they're
> like, What?" the filmmaker continued. "Even if they've read the material in
> press, it was just a little too distant, both in concept, and I think in the
> way that characters were drawn, that they were portrayed. It was much more of
> a science fiction."
>
> saying, "I think there was a disconnect between what people wanted/expected
> and what we were giving to them."
>
> The 2022 animated film earned a paltry $226.4 million against a $200 million
> budget, meaning it likely lost money after factoring in marketing and other
> expenses.
>
> LIGHTYEAR caused a controversy leading up to its release due to the inclusion
>
> The 2022 animated film earned a paltry $226.4 million against a $200 million
> budget, meaning it likely lost money after factoring in marketing and other
> expenses.
>
> of a same-sex kiss which was initially edited out, then reinstated in
> response to Florida's Parental Rights in Education Bill, dubbed the "Don't
> Say Gay Bill" by several media outlets and leftists.
>
> There was also some pushback to Chris Evans replacing Tim Allen as the voice
> of Buzz Lightyear. He was in favor of the same-sex kiss scene staying in the
> movie, saying those who disagreed were "idiots".
> response to Florida's Parental Rights in Education Bill, dubbed the "Don't
> Say Gay Bill" by several media outlets and leftists.
>
> There was also some pushback to Chris Evans replacing Tim Allen as the voice
> of Buzz Lightyear. He was in favor of the same-sex kiss scene staying in the
>
> "Every time there's been social advancement as we wake up, the American
> story, the human story is one of constant social awakening and growth and
> that's what makes us good," Evans told Reuters during an interview.
>
> "Disney put a line in the sand saying, we're putting this [kiss] back in, but
> also, we're not going to remove it for any other territories, in these places
> that would have a problem with it." The actor said, adding the kiss scene was
> "nice, and it's wonderful, it makes me happy."
>
> "It's tough to not be a little frustrated that it even has to be a topic of
> discussion," Evans added. "That it is this kind of 'news'. The goal is that
> "Every time there's been social advancement as we wake up, the American
> story, the human story is one of constant social awakening and growth and
> that's what makes us good," Evans told Reuters during an interview.
>
> "Disney put a line in the sand saying, we're putting this [kiss] back in, but
> also, we're not going to remove it for any other territories, in these places
> that would have a problem with it." The actor said, adding the kiss scene was
> "nice, and it's wonderful, it makes me happy."
>
> "It's tough to not be a little frustrated that it even has to be a topic of
> we can get to a point where it is the norm, and that this doesn't have to be
> some uncharted waters, that eventually this is just the way it is. That
> representation across the board is how we make films."
>
> Even critics in favor of or neutral toward the controversial kiss scene said
> the movie had multiple plot holes and strayed too far from the original TOY
> some uncharted waters, that eventually this is just the way it is. That
> representation across the board is how we make films."
>
> Even critics in favor of or neutral toward the controversial kiss scene said
> STORY storylines for audiences to embrace it the same way as other
> installments of the franchise.
>
> Disney just announced that they'll be making TOY STORY 5 in addition to
> several other additions to popular franchises.
And it will also be defiantly full of gay propaganda, and they'll stand
around like idiots scratching their heads when it flops as well.
moviePig
Feb 28, 2023, 2:22:05 PM2/28/23
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BTR1701
Feb 28, 2023, 3:56:46 PM2/28/23
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justice' statement.
David Johnston
Feb 28, 2023, 4:17:53 PM2/28/23
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On 2023-02-28 8:00 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the “Toy Story” spinoff
>> “Lightyear” was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
>> understanding what they were trying to do.
>
> They were trying to punish Tim Allen and reward Chris Evans. I think we
> pretty much got it which is why we didn’t go anywhere near the movie.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I wasn't interested because
> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>> One Disney executive is reflecting on what a flop the “Toy Story” spinoff
>> “Lightyear” was for the company, concluding the issue was the audience not
>> understanding what they were trying to do.
>
> They were trying to punish Tim Allen and reward Chris Evans. I think we
> pretty much got it which is why we didn’t go anywhere near the movie.
I saw the ads and it looked boring.
trotsky
Feb 28, 2023, 5:26:06 PM2/28/23
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trotsky
Feb 28, 2023, 5:29:18 PM2/28/23
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trotsky
Feb 28, 2023, 5:31:14 PM2/28/23
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moviePig
Feb 28, 2023, 5:48:47 PM2/28/23
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somebody's "ideals" I think you'll find that pickings are slim.
trotsky
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