killick and his russian partner
Smcnyb
russian/american partner Katrina--who were the subject of some discussion in
this newsgroup back in September--and the way they are challenging Kevin Watson
and Karen Hardy.
The article is at http://www.zem.co.uk/dance/articles.htm. It says that Killick
and Katrina have already taken two dances off Hardy/Watson. Killick comes right
out and says he expects to overtake them because his partner is better than
Hardy's.
The article then dovetails into a discussion of how more and more men are
choosing Russian women as partners. It says that there are 100,000 (!!!)
amatuer couples in Russian, and only 2,000 in England (and only about 300 or
400 in the US).
If those numbers are true, we are likely to see the continued invasion of
Russian dancerrs to England and, more likely, the US. Seems like every week
there's a new Russian couple, some former high-ranking amateurs, re-locating to
New York to turn pro.
(On the other hand, the US Immigration service has been cracking down on
illegal immigration, and a number of Russian dancers whose papers aren't in
order have been sent back home, including Eddie Apolonov and his partner Olga,
who were US Rising Star Latin Champs before being deported.)
Steve
Paul Sanders
Smcnyb wrote:
> [... pointers to the Times article on Russians in dancesport ...]
> (On the other hand, the US Immigration service has been cracking down on
> illegal immigration, and a number of Russian dancers whose papers aren't in
> order have been sent back home, including Eddie Apolonov and his partner Olga,
> who were US Rising Star Latin Champs before being deported.)
I should point out that this rumour has been empahticaly denied by their
studio owner (whose name escapes me at this minute); you can see mention
of this on the dancescape server, http://www.dancescape.com/ The word is
that they left to complete their paperwork and there was nothing
improper about their stay whatsoever, they are now back in the country,
apparantly. As an aside, I would love to know how this particular rumour
started!
> The article then dovetails into a discussion of how more and more men are
> choosing Russian women as partners. It says that there are 100,000 (!!!)
The question must be - do russian dancers really have that much better
personality and fortitude for dancesport than the other nationalities ?
And if so, why ?? Also, it seems right now that it is only in latin that
the Russians are taking over, at least in NY!
Paul
Robert Maschek
Smcnyb wrote:
> The Times of London has an interesting article on Paul Killick and his
> russian/american partner Katrina--who were the subject of some discussion in
> this newsgroup back in September--and the way they are challenging Kevin Watson
> and Karen Hardy.
>
> The article is at http://www.zem.co.uk/dance/articles.htm. It says that Killick
> and Katrina have already taken two dances off Hardy/Watson. Killick comes right
> out and says he expects to overtake them because his partner is better than
> Hardy's.
>
> The article then dovetails into a discussion of how more and more men are
> choosing Russian women as partners. It says that there are 100,000 (!!!)
> amatuer couples in Russian, and only 2,000 in England (and only about 300 or
> 400 in the US).
>
> If those numbers are true, we are likely to see the continued invasion of
> Russian dancerrs to England and, more likely, the US. Seems like every week
> there's a new Russian couple, some former high-ranking amateurs, re-locating to
> New York to turn pro.
>
> (On the other hand, the US Immigration service has been cracking down on
> illegal immigration, and a number of Russian dancers whose papers aren't in
> order have been sent back home, including Eddie Apolonov and his partner Olga,
> who were US Rising Star Latin Champs before being deported.)
>
> Steve
Joseph Huesmann
>
>
>Smcnyb wrote:
>> [... pointers to the Times article on Russians in dancesport ...]
>> illegal immigration, and a number of Russian dancers whose papers aren't in
>> order have been sent back home, including Eddie Apolonov and his partner Olga,
>> who were US Rising Star Latin Champs before being deported.)
>
>studio owner (whose name escapes me at this minute); you can see mention
>of this on the dancescape server, http://www.dancescape.com/ The word is
>that they left to complete their paperwork and there was nothing
>improper about their stay whatsoever, they are now back in the country,
>apparantly. As an aside, I would love to know how this particular rumour
>started!
Oh, please! "We weren't here illegally, we just have to go home to
'complete our paperwork.'" Probably they were here on tourist visas or
something and someone found out they were teaching dance (i.e. working
without permission).
Joe
ear...@my-dejanews.com
The statement on Dancescape was as follows:
Recently, there was a [false] rumour circulating in the New York dance scene
that they were in the US without proper paperwork and deported. This is
entirely FALSE. According to Taliat Tarsinov from the Fred Astaire East Side
Dance Studio, Eduard and Olga in fact had to go back to Russia to renew their
passports: "Olga and Eduard were in the U.S. for 2 years on a legal working
visa. When they received their new status as Extraordinary Ability persons,
they left the US because their Russian passports had expired. It took
several weeks to complete the process.... Unfortunately, anyone who knows
anything about the Russian beaurocracy knows that this is a lengthy process."
Eduard and Olga returned to the US on December 17th and has resumed teaching
and performing -- to the delight of their many fans and students at their
studio's Christmas party.
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Bill Sherman
question a while back as to whether Karina was the same Karina who
used to dance with Roman Nabatov and placed 2nd in the 1997 US Amateur
championships. If I recall correctly, it was established that Roman's
partner was Karina Smirnoff so she couldn't be the same woman as
Karina Kylkova. However, I recently spoke to Victor Kanevsky (Karina
Smirnoff's former coach), and he said that indeed it is the same woman
but that she changed her name to Paul's in the Russian style: feminine
of Killick ~ Kylkova.
I'm not sure why Karina changed her name - I don't know if
they're married.
--Bill Sherman
PS Victor also mentioned to me that he used to coach Beata Wentink and
that he himself won the U.S. Amateur Latin championships dancing with
Diana McDonald... I guess some of you knew that already, but it was
news to me.
Asya Kamsky
Bill Sherman <she...@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu> wrote:
>and he said that indeed it is the same woman
>but that she changed her name to Paul's in the Russian style: feminine
>of Killick ~ Kylkova.
Huh? Kylkova is "feminine" form of "Kylkov". You know -- Ivanov/
Ivanova; Gorbachov/Gorbachova, etc.
Killick looks like a Russian name that wouldn't have a different
feminine form. Now, if it was Killikov, then hers would be Killikova...
Asya, would be Kamskaya if I bothered with the feminine form of Kamsky
Smcnyb
>studio owner (whose name escapes me at this minute); you can see mention
>of this on the dancescape server, http://www.dancescape.com/ The word is
>that they left to complete their paperwork and there was nothing
>improper about their stay whatsoever, they are now back in the country,
>apparantly. As an aside, I would love to know how this particular rumour
>started!
>
Well, I would say when a foreign couple suddenly leaves New York,, and then
can't get back into the country for a few weeks, it's not difficult to figure
out how a ``rumor'' got started.
Fact is, few couples leave to get their ``paperwork'' in order unless they are
forced to.
The issue might be especially sensitive for Eddie and Olga because they won
the US closed lating rising star title. Closed US events are supposed to be
open only to US citizens and foreigners with a valid green card.
There have been past cases where dancers have complained to the US INS about a
couple, forcing couples to leave temporarily to get their papers in order.
That's because there is a lot of frustration among pros in the US because the
eligibility rules for closed events are followed only haphazardly by US
officials.
The US already has the most liberal rules for allowing couples to dance in
closed events. Many countries require that at least one member of the
partnership be a citizen, and the Olympics are going to require that both
members be citizens.
Psychohist
Many countries require that at least one member of the
partnership be a citizen, and the Olympics are going to
require that both members be citizens.
Which is interesting, because it will prevent so many of the top couples from
competing. Currently, two of the top three competing pro couples have split
citizenship, as does the number 3 or so amateur couple.
I kind of wonder where the Olympics think they are going. The cold war is
over, and power politics is going out of style; it might be hard to sustain
interest under these conditions.
Warren Dew
Smcnyb
>Currently, two of the top three competing pro couples have split
>citizenship, as does the number 3 or so amateur couple.
>
Warren: What do you mean by split citizenship? I was under the impression that
in the US Standard Pro Final, of the six couples, there was only one American
citizen last year, Maria Hansen.
Or were you talking about the Pro Latin?
Steve