Eleanor Powell's Dancing Abilities
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seen. When she dances, she moves through space with incredible speed
and fluidity. I have never seen anyone dance with such grace and
elegance. This becomes evident when you carefully study the movement
of her hands and arms during the ballroom dance number she does with
George Murphy at the end of "Broadway Melody of 1938." Her
performances are absolutely flawless. I attribute this to the huge
amount of time and effort she put into her work. Ellie was blessed
with boundless energy and an enormous capacity for hard work. She
worked relentlessly to perfect her craft. This is one of the things
that made her the greatest dancer of all time. Since reality is a
subjective experience, there will be those who do not agree with my
assessment of Eleanor Powell's abilities. But if they sharpen their
perceptive powers, they will know greatness when they see it.
Tony Spadaro
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Mike O'sullivan
Bushwhacker
> Eleanor Powell is the most graceful and charming dancer I have ever
> seen. When she dances, she moves through space with incredible speed
> and fluidity. I have never seen anyone dance with such grace and
> elegance. This becomes evident when you carefully study the movement
> of her hands and arms during the ballroom dance number she does with
> George Murphy at the end of "Broadway Melody of 1938." Her
> performances are absolutely flawless. I attribute this to the huge
> amount of time and effort she put into her work. Ellie was blessed
> with boundless energy and an enormous capacity for hard work. She
> worked relentlessly to perfect her craft. This is one of the things
> that made her the greatest dancer of all time.
No, that would be Native Dancer.
Bushwhacker
> Vic Morrow had pretty nifty footwork too!
>
>
Except at the end.
Larry Grayson
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Well said! You are very perceptive. Your assessment of Eleanor
Powell's dancing abilities are right on the mark. She was(is),
without a doubt, the greatest dancer of all time. The "type" of
responses to your post is an indication of how many mindless idiots
there are out there. These people have the intelligence and
sensitivity of a jackass, so don't waste your time responding to their
idiotic comments. Too bad we are living in a morally and spiritually
bankrupt society. It seems like courseness, vulgarity, and
in-your-face arrogance rules the day in America. It's no wonder
America is hated around the world.
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"Larry Grayson" <lar2...@boardermail.com> wrote in message
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>
It's no wonder
> America is hated around the world.
Not quite all, Tony quite likes George.
Bushwhacker
Anyone else notice the irony here? Someone who makes the ludicrous claim
that E. Powell was, "without a doubt," the greatest dancer of all time
-- a statement that betrays a fanboy ignorance of dance *and* world
history -- says that those of us who -- justly -- ridiculed the claim
are idiotic, vulgar and insensitive. Seems to me that claiming that a
minor Hollywood star is "the greatest dancer of all time" is *exactly*
the kind of "in-your-face arrogance" that makes most of the world hate
the United States.
Paul B. Goode
This is so silly. Why do newsgroups always get into this nonsense.
Is Balanchine better than Tharp? Bach better than John Lennon? Baryshnikov
better than Astaire? DaVinci better than Degas?
Art has no scorecard. There is no way to judge if one work is better than
the next. It all depends on the viewers' taste and the period of time when
the piece was presented. Artists die paupers and 50 years later are revered
as one of the greatest of all time. Some of Mozart's music was depised
during his liftetime. Today those same pieces are the most popular in
classical music.
Instead of deriding someone's post to this group, wouldn't it be more
beneficial to post who you thought was the greatest dancer, and why? The
rest of us may learn something. It's possible you could sway us to agree
with your beliefs.
No one likes, respects, or listens to those who trash others for no apparent
reason.
Bill Anderson
>
> Instead of deriding someone's post to this group, wouldn't it be more
> beneficial to post who you thought was the greatest dancer, and why?
In this case I think not. The Eleanor Powell tribute posts have been
appearing semi-regularly for some time now -- often enough that they
seem less a refreshing tribute to a talented performer with a modest
number of films to her credit than, well, just the creepy musings of a
necrophiliac. The derision is not about Eleanor Powell -- it's about
some really spooky posts.
--
Bill Anderson
I am the Mighty Favog
Tim Cook
"Paul B. Goode" <pgo...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> A post is to no one in particular.
>
> This is so silly. Why do newsgroups always get into this nonsense.
>
> Is Balanchine better than Tharp? Bach better than John Lennon?
Baryshnikov
> better than Astaire? DaVinci better than Degas?
>
> Art has no scorecard. There is no way to judge if one work is better than
> the next. It all depends on the viewers' taste and the period of time
when
> the piece was presented. Artists die paupers and 50 years later are
revered
> as one of the greatest of all time. Some of Mozart's music was depised
> during his liftetime. Today those same pieces are the most popular in
> classical music.
Then why have the Tonis. Why have the Oscars!
Paul B. Goode
interest in those industries. Remember, these awards weren't as big of a
deal until television made them that way. Entertainment Tonight and PEOPLE
magazine have not been around forever because we used to be less interested
in the lives of the stars. We were more interested in what they actually
produced.
But I don't think I said, and I certainly didn't mean, that we shouldn't be
able to tell people what movie, actor, dancer, TV show, symphony, or
whatever we like the best or think is the best ever in the world. I thought
I was saying someone shouldn't be criticized for their choices and I was
disppointed to see this happening in dance appreciation group. I believe I
said in my last post that a person shouldn't be trashed in a newsgroup. I
still feel that's true.
Larry Grayson
> Paul B. Goode wrote:
> >
>Instead of deriding someone's post to this group, wouldn't it be more
> beneficial to post who you thought was the greatest dancer, and why?
>
In this case I think not. The Eleanor Powell tribute posts have
been
> appearing semi-regularly for some time now -- often enough that they
> seem less a refreshing tribute to a talented performer with a modest
> number of films to her credit than, well, just the creepy musings of a
> necrophiliac. The derision is not about Eleanor Powell -- it's about
> some really spooky posts.
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Why do you think legitimate tributes to Eleanor Powell are the "creepy
musings of necrophiliacs? You are a prime example of the large number
of people out there who have very limited knowledge of human nature.
You must have had a severely disturbed childhood to make such an
outrageously depraved comment. You can help yourself by studying the
teachings of Adi Shankara.
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Bill Anderson
> You can help yourself by studying the
> teachings of Adi Shankara.
Thanks, but I believe I'd rather watch "Broadway Melody of 1940."
Bob Wheatley
The bottom line is that there is no objective way to say anyone is the
greatest dancer of all time.
Period.
These Eleanor Powell posts grow tiresome and they have absolutely no
objective merit.
In order to make a claim of greatest dancer, one would need to at the very
least to have competed against other dancers of the era and been judged by
professional judges of the era.
No contest outcomes withstanding, these posts are nothing more than the
ranting of a fanatical admirer.
A sick admirer.....
Bob Wheatley
john...@verobeachlaw.com
And Eleanor was a lousy dancer to boot....
Jerry C.
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I think it's obvious that the Eleanor Powell posts will continue for
some time into the future and they are meaningless in substance and
merely highlight a serious psychological problem in the poster. It's
too bad we have this kind of infection in our newsgroups, but it's
relatively harmless in this instance.
Jerry Cipirano
DavKopp
>some time into the future and they are meaningless in substance and
>merely highlight a serious psychological problem in the poster. It's
>too bad we have this kind of infection in our newsgroups, but it's
>relatively harmless in this instance.
>
>Jerry Cipirano
>
Nail. Head.
David Koppelman
Daniel Testa
>
> The bottom line is that there is no objective way to say anyone is the
> greatest dancer of all time.
> Period.
> These Eleanor Powell posts grow tiresome and they have absolutely no
> objective merit.
> In order to make a claim of greatest dancer, one would need to at the very
> least to have competed against other dancers of the era and been judged by
> professional judges of the era.
> No contest outcomes withstanding, these posts are nothing more than the
> ranting of a fanatical admirer.
> A sick admirer.....
>
>
> Bob Wheatley
Just to play Devil's advocate, the great dancers of the silver screen
from that period of time (Fred Astaire e. g.) were not considered
great because they won dance competitions but because of their work
that was captured on film. I would contend that the skills that Fred
and Eleanor used in their numbers from Broadway Melody of 1940 are not
exactly the same as the skills that would be needed for them to win a
J&J invitational against the best competition swing dancers of the
period.
More generally, I'd say that doing well in a dance competition is
different than doing well in a non-competitive exhibition.
As another example, a hoofer that is more currently popular would be
Michael Flately. I don't consider him to be great because of his tap
competition victories but more for what he has done with
Riverdance/Lord of the Dance etc.
I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote.
Bob Wheatley
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I understand where you're coming from, but it still does not change the fact
that proclamations of greatness without accepted endorsements are simply
"opinions". We all have them.
I for one have never been impressed by Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly or any
other actor/dancer. (Reputations notwithstanding)
I have also seen Mr. Flatley perform. While I agree he is paid to move his
body and some call that dancing, I am unimpressed.
Different strokes .....
Bob Wheatley
DavKopp
> understand where you're coming from, but it still does not change the fact
>that proclamations of greatness without accepted endorsements are simply
>"opinions". We all have them.
>I for one have never been impressed by Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly or any
>other actor/dancer. (Reputations notwithstanding)
Wow, Bob. Seriously? I guess you're right about these being "opinions", but I
think Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly were fabulous, as were Ginger Rogers, Leslie
Caron, and Cyd Charise, to name just a few. And somehow I think most dance
historians would agree:-)
David Koppelman
Ed Jay
>Bob Wheatley writes:
>
>> understand where you're coming from, but it still does not change the fact
>>that proclamations of greatness without accepted endorsements are simply
>>"opinions". We all have them.
>>I for one have never been impressed by Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly or any
>>other actor/dancer. (Reputations notwithstanding)
>
It's fairly easy to cite that which impresses us. I'm not so sure about the
converse. That established, Bob, what doesn't impress you about Astaire and
Kelly?
>
>Wow, Bob. Seriously? I guess you're right about these being "opinions", but I
>think Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly were fabulous, as were Ginger Rogers, Leslie
>Caron, and Cyd Charise, to name just a few. And somehow I think most dance
>historians would agree:-)
>
At what point does consensus of opinion become gospel? ;-)
Ed Jay (remove M to respond)
Paul-Andre Panon
> dav...@aol.com (DavKopp) wrote:
>
>>Bob Wheatley writes:
>>>I for one have never been impressed by Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly or any
>>>other actor/dancer. (Reputations notwithstanding)
>>
> It's fairly easy to cite that which impresses us. I'm not so sure about the
> converse. That established, Bob, what doesn't impress you about Astaire and
> Kelly?
Personally, I find that whether you are looking at classical or modern
ballet, ballroom, or West Coast Swing, dancing at its best exhudes
emotion - sometimes it's joyful exhuberance in the dance, and sometimes
sorrow or compassion. To me, an emotionless dance is soulless.
I find most of Astaire's dancing wooden. Technically he was often quite
impressive, but I rarely saw any emotion in his dance. While I get the
feeling that's expected with ballroom, I wouldn't have expected it in
his tap work. Maybe the emotion got leached out by the 10th take? Then
again, I feel the same way about most of his acting too :-)
While some of Gene Kelly's dancing sometimes shows the same problem, I
seem to remember at least some movies where the emotion wasn't
completely plastic. Overall I liked his dancing (and acting) better as a
result. I saw most of those movies in my early teens and I don't
remember too much about Ginger, Leslie, or Cyd's dancing and acting. I
suspect I probably found it nice but, since it didn't leave much of an
impression, not particularly emotionally engaging.
The best dancing that I have seen on film so far is probably by Mikhail
Baryshnikov in White Nights. Yeah the plot was classic Cold War and now
seems quite dated and contrived, but some of the dancing is great. That
said there's a lot of movies with dancing I have yet to see.
Of course, Time Magazine has called Baryshnikov the "greatest living
dancer" (yeah Eleanor Powell is dead and so, for that matter, are
Nijinski and Ulanova). A lot of great dancers have come out of Ballet
because it provides such a good technical foundation; it's too bad that
professional ballet culture forces its dancers to abuse their bodies so
much that arthritis and other pain forces them most of them to stop
dancing in their early 40's.
>>Wow, Bob. Seriously? I guess you're right about these being "opinions", but I
>>think Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly were fabulous, as were Ginger Rogers, Leslie
>>Caron, and Cyd Charise, to name just a few. And somehow I think most dance
>>historians would agree:-)
I have to agree with Bob (gaahh!) on this one. Those historians might
have felt differently if they had more dancers to view in the archival
footage. Clint Eastwood and Arnold Schwarzenneger movies were quite
popular in the 80's and 90's but are those two actors really better at
acting than Laurence Olivier or Alec Guiness?
>
> At what point does consensus of opinion become gospel? ;-)
After martyrdom. :-)
Bob Wheatley
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Historians have agreed on many fallacies.:>)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I think they were _bad_ dancers. I've
just never been impressed.
Both of them had a tendency to leaving things unfinished when it came to
lines and shapes, they lacked consistency of foot placement, and their
performances tended to be shallow.
I don't know if it was too much rehearsal or too many takes. Either way,
they came off as actors trying to dance, and conversely, dancers trying to
act.
I still enjoyed many of their movies though. Especially "Singing In The
Rain" with Gene Kelly.
All dancers of all genres have gotten better and better over the years. The
best dancers of just ten years ago would have a hard time competing against
the best dancers of today.
It's not realistic to think that someone from 50 or 60 years ago could
defeat the best dancers of today.
Who impresses me?
David Hamilton, Bob Powers, et al.....
Bob Wheatley
Paul B. Goode
dances at the beginning of White Nights could be my favorite movie dance
piece of all time. I've been told by those who were there, that
Baryshnikov's Vaganova graduation performance at the Kirov Theater was the
greatest dance moment of all time.
Looking at the White Nights VHS box, I was reminded that Twyla Tharp did the
choreography for the rest of the film.
Just to stimulate a little more discussion, as a photographer, Twyla Tharp
is probably my favorite choreographer. The way she designs dance for film
and stage shows a great vision realized by few others in her field.
gar...@eudoramail.com
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Foster, it's very refreshing to hear from someone who appreciates
Ellie's extraordinary dancing abilities. Your powers of observation
are amazing: I saw "Broadway Melody of 1938" many times, but I never
noticed the incredibly graceful, fluid, movement of Eleanor Powell's
hands and arms (during her ballroom dance number with George Murphy)
until you mentioned it.
Don't pay any attention to the negative responses to your post.
Since we're living in a very sick society, you should not be surprised
by the kind of responses you've been receiving. Larry Grayson's post
expresses the truth: we "are" living in a vulgar, coarse, society.
Watch TV for a few hours (or go to the movies) and you'll see where
America's head is at: sex, money, drugs, sports, and violence. The
late night talk show buffoons and the lies constantly streaming out of
Washington, D.C., says it all.
Everytime someone posts an article on Eleanor Powell, all the
whackos crawl out of the woodwork. Why do so many of you people out
there hate this person so much? Is it because she was not a sick,
slimy, degenerate like the rest of that Hollywood scum? Or could it
be just plain old-fashion jealousy and envy? Shame on all of you for
not conducting yourselves like the nice people I know you can all
become, if you try.
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Jon Leech
In article <354bd6f8.04022...@posting.google.com>,
<gar...@eudoramail.com> wrote:
> Everytime someone posts an article on Eleanor Powell, all the
>whackos crawl out of the woodwork. Why do so many of you people out
>there hate this person so much? Is it because she was not a sick,
>slimy, degenerate like the rest of that Hollywood scum? Or could it
>be just plain old-fashion jealousy and envy?
Actually, it's because the discussions are inappropriately
crossposted to far too many unrelated newsgroups. That will produce
flamage because (to pick just one example) people do not read
rec.arts.dance in the expectation of seeing yet more boring, repetitive
homage to a dead actress of whom most of the newsgroup readers have
little to no awareness.
We read rec.arts.dance in the expectation of seeing yet more boring,
repetitive flames about the exact age ranges and gender roles open to
participants in swing dance competitions.
Sheesh. Get a clue.
/Eleanor Powell/Hsubject:j
Jon
__@/
john...@verobeachlaw.com
Ellie was a fraud. The dirty truth is that she slept with the top
Hollywood bigwigs of the time just to get on stage. Many scenes
involved far more talented body doubles. The Eleanor Powell fans
refuse to acknowledge (or admit) this proven fact.
Jerry C.
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I partially agree with Bob (Astaire and especially Flatley) and mostly
agree with Paul-Andre. I enjoyed watching Astaire, but never found him
moving in any way. Bob's being able to state such an opinion about two
legends (that is Astaire and Kelly, not Flatley) takes guts and a
certain type of mentality (Texas mentality?). OTOH, I certainly saw a
distinction between Astaire and Kelly, much as Paul-Andre noted. Also, I
have seen up-close Baryshnikov and Makarova perform and they were easily
as good or better than anyone out there today. In fact, Fernando
Bujones was up there too. Perhaps some dance forms are very progressed
so that dancers of a previous era may be as proficient as those of
today. Other dance forms may be in relatively early gestation (like the
computer industry) whereby there is constant progression in both the
dance form and the dancers.
Enough, I'm confusing myself .... ;-)
Jerry C.
Bob Wheatley
> Ellie was a fraud. The dirty truth is that she slept with the top
Hollywood bigwigs of the time just to get on stage. Many scenes
involved far more talented body doubles. The Eleanor Powell fans refuse to
acknowledge (or admit) this proven fact. >>
OHMAGAWD!?!?
That WASN'T Ellie performing that spectacular Quick Open Reverse with James
Stewart in "Born To Dance"??
<TIC>
Bob Wheatley
Jerry C.
> Paul B. Goode wrote:
>
>>
>> Instead of deriding someone's post to this group, wouldn't it be more
>> beneficial to post who you thought was the greatest dancer, and why?
Bill Anderson wrote:
> In this case I think not. The Eleanor Powell tribute posts have been
> appearing semi-regularly for some time now -- often enough that they
> seem less a refreshing tribute to a talented performer with a modest
> number of films to her credit than, well, just the creepy musings of a
> necrophiliac. The derision is not about Eleanor Powell -- it's about
> some really spooky posts.
>
Right on Bill, I was also thinking this compulsive, obsessed poster was
akin to a necrophiliac.
Mr. Goode, perhaps you haven't seen this blather in it's total context.
Perhaps you haven't seen how many times he has posted the same thing
with no apparent purpose except idol worship of someone long dead.
Jerry Cipriano
DavKopp
Astaire and Kelly certainly had different styles. Astaire was a very formal,
almost regal dancer. I agree it was easier to admire his dancing than to be
moved by it, yet there was much to admire. Perhaps the ease which with he
performed such difficult steps, to the point where many observers do not notice
the difficulty, is the ultimate compliment to him.
Although Astaire and Kelly are often thought of together, they were really a
generation apart in age and in style. Where Astaire was regal grace, Kelly was
power and speed. Kelly was also a much better actor than Astaire; he played a
number of straight dramatic roles, including a memorable, crucial role as the
H.L. Mencken-like reporter in the dramatization of the Scopes monkey trial,
"Inherit the Wind". His performance in the final scene, with Spencer Tracy,
was devastating, and anyone who could hold his own sharing a crucial scene with
one of the greatest actors who ever lived should never be undersetimated as an
actor. Additionally, the extended ballet of Gershwin's "An American In
Paris", which concludes the movie of that same name, may well be the most
powerful and artistic dance sequence ever filmed, and "Brigadoon" is among the
most romantic movies of all time.
It is hard to compare performers like this to more current performers, since
the musical fell so out of favor as a film art. I suppose Gregory Hines and
Mikhail Baryshnikov, on the male side, are the most obvious choices.
David Koppelman
Paul-Andre Panon
> My mind is blank right now on the name but the short ballet Baryshnikov
> dances at the beginning of White Nights could be my favorite movie dance
> piece of all time.
I think it was "Le Jeune Homme et La Mort". Equally impressive in my
opinion is his dancing in the theater to the singing of the Russian
singer (his name escapes me and my LD player isn't hooked up).
Commenting on how his old Russian friend is afraid to play the song very
loud, Baryshnikov's character says something like "_______ is meant to
be shouted from the rooftops"; he cranks the ghetto blaster and then
through dancing, his body shouts the pain and longing in the song.
> I've been told by those who were there, that
> Baryshnikov's Vaganova graduation performance at the Kirov Theater was the
> greatest dance moment of all time.
That's a just a bit before my time unfortunately. I wish we had more of
his performances available for posterity (and others for comparison),
but ballet is such a small niche market that there doesn't seem to be a
lot of it that's recorded. Some Universities seem to have some of it in
their collections but I haven't seen those tapes available from anyone
else. Then again, you could say the same thing about Jazz and Tap. If
you look back at the amount of dancing recorded and archived in the last
20 years, I would expect the overwhelming majority of it is of the MTV
variety.
>
> Looking at the White Nights VHS box, I was reminded that Twyla Tharp did the
> choreography for the rest of the film.
>
I just did a bit of web research and, among her *many* awards, is the
2003 Astaire award, which brings us full circle. :-)
> Just to stimulate a little more discussion, as a photographer, Twyla Tharp
> is probably my favorite choreographer. The way she designs dance for film
> and stage shows a great vision realized by few others in her field.
I haven't the opportunity to see too much of it up here in the great
white north. But I may make a trip to Seattle in June to see Movin' Out
when it goes on tour. Hopefully some of my Seattle friends will give me
a heads up when tickets go on sale.
P-A
john...@verobeachlaw.com
Only the trained eye (like mine) would notice Bob but she had no
contrabody position in that sequence and she danced the entire
movement with a Heel-Toe action rather than the HT-T-TH action the
pros use. I won't even bother mentioning her head position, which was
completely wrong.
This is what I keep trying to tell these people. Eleanor Powell was a
fraud. They have sucked down this illusion hook line and sinker.
Her head position must have been OK at some point that day (at least
as far as Jimmy was concerned) because if you look closely at Stewart
you will notice that his zipper is still halfway down. I am telling
you, I have inside information on how this fraud really got her
parts....(or is it "his parts")...
Bob Wheatley
Paul B. Goode
fanatic, it's usually better to ignore them than to respond with a flame.
It just gets their juices going.
Asya Kamsky
Paul-Andre Panon <ppa...@REMOVETHIS.shaw.ca> wrote:
[Baryshnikov in "White Nights"]
>I think it was "Le Jeune Homme et La Mort". Equally impressive in my
>opinion is his dancing in the theater to the singing of the Russian
>singer (his name escapes me and my LD player isn't hooked up).
It's been almost 20 years since I saw the movie but I'd be willing
to bet that it was Vladimir Vyssotsky (The one about the horses).
>Commenting on how his old Russian friend is afraid to play the song very
>loud, Baryshnikov's character says something like "_______ is meant to
>be shouted from the rooftops"; he cranks the ghetto blaster and then
>through dancing, his body shouts the pain and longing in the song.
The lyrics are about horses that are pulling the singer to the
cliff (end of his life) and he's begging them to go slower. In a nutshell.
--
Asya Kamsky
In our society, you can state your views, but they have to be correct.
--- Ernie Hai, coordinator Singapore Gov't Internet Project
Ron Wilbanks
john...@verobeachlaw.com wrote:
> And Eleanor was a lousy dancer to boot....
I like Ann Miller much more than Eleanor and she was a better dancer too!
--
Sincerely yours,
Ron Wilbanks
"Like a prized watch, a good fountain pen is a trusted companion for life."
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virge...@netscape.net
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I think John Power and Bob Wheatley both had a severely disturbed
childhood. After reading the gar...@eudoramail.com post, their
vulgar comments does not surprise me. Both of them should seriously
consider getting psychiatric help. Shame on both of you for bringing
the discussion down to the level of the streets. Both of you must be
big Howard Stern fans.
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john...@verobeachlaw.com
You are clairvoyant! I LOVE Howard Stern. And only Bob needs help.
(I am sure he will agree). I'm fine.
Bob Wheatley
> I think John Power and Bob Wheatley both had a severely disturbed
childhood. >
Yes.
We have a severely disturbed adulthood too.
But we aren't worshipping the dead and we are not necrophilias....
Bob Wheatley
TexaSmooth
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I think John Power and Bob Wheatley both had a severely disturbed
> childhood. After reading the gar...@eudoramail.com post, their
> vulgar comments does not surprise me. Both of them should seriously
> consider getting psychiatric help. Shame on both of you for bringing
> the discussion down to the level of the streets. Both of you must be
> big Howard Stern fans.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell ya what "virgent", I rarely post but you simply went to far with
your personal attacks on John & Bob.
Now John I don't know personally, but I can say after years of
reviewing his posts that, while I don't agree with him too terribly
often, he strikes me as someone who actually puts some thoughts into
his post. I can at least respect him for that.
I do know Bob, however, and I can honestly say that in all my years in
the dance community, I've never met anyone, and I mean anyone, with
higher moral character than him. He's the kind of guy you actually
could trust with your wallet (less a nominal holding fee, I'm sure ;)
). He's one of the very few role models in the dance community that
you can look to on a dance performance, technique, AND moral front.
If there was one guy I wanted to be like on the CW circuit it was Bob.
As far as you Eleanor Powell groupies are concerned, I think you are
the guys who need to find a head shrink. I've never addressed this
topic, simply b/c I neither cared and I figured it would eventually go
away. But you people are so obsessed with digging up & worshippin
this poor woman that it borders on 'mental necrophilia'.
I think that's time you guys created your own "Eleanor Powell" worship
society board here on yahoo. Then all five of you who can't let her
go can formal some sort of dancing circle jerk where you can post &
re-post ad naseum (emphasis on naseum)how you dream of the day when
the art of cloning is mastered and you can create an entire legion of
"EP's" who can entertain you to your hearts desire.
Enough about this dead, dead, dead, DEAD woman. If it'll end this
assinine Eleanor issue once and for all, I'll say you've convinced me.
She was without a doubt the greatest dancer who ever was or ever will
be. I think all dancing in the world should cease, b/c after all, no
one can be as good as dear ol' Ely, so why try to improve on
perfection? You win, ya hear. YOU WIN!!! Can you please get a life
now?
PulliamRon
> Eleanor Powell is the most graceful and charming dancer I have ever
> seen. When she dances, she moves through space with incredible speed
> and fluidity. I have never seen anyone dance with such grace and
> elegance. This becomes evident when you carefully study the movement
> of her hands and arms during the ballroom dance number she does with
> George Murphy at the end of "Broadway Melody of 1938." Her
> performances are absolutely flawless. I attribute this to the huge
> amount of time and effort she put into her work. Ellie was blessed
> with boundless energy and an enormous capacity for hard work. She
> worked relentlessly to perfect her craft. This is one of the things
> that made her the greatest dancer of all time. Since reality is a
> subjective experience, there will be those who do not agree with my
> assessment of Eleanor Powell's abilities. But if they sharpen their
> perceptive powers, they will know greatness when they see it.
I share your enthusiasm for Eleanor Powell. She was a magical screen
presence despite her singing voice. Her smile was MAJOR wattage and
lifted a lot of spirits during her career.
Her dancing was phenomenal. Fred Astaire is said to have believed her
enormously gifted. One need only watch their "Begin the Beguine"
number in "Broadway Melody of 1940" to verify that they were the equal
of one another in that number.
And it's the greatest tap number ever recorded.
However....Powell did not have Astaire's inventiveness. Astaire
collaborated with his choreographers and created his own choreography,
to boot. Powell danced the steps she was given.
I'm not a huge fan of tap-to-toepoint transitions, and her signature
backdrop- hand-touch-to-stage was overused,IMO. She had moments of
brilliance, but she was also given some pretty mundane, unimaginative
stuff to dance, as well ("I Concentrate on You" from "Broadway Melody
of 1940" makes me cringe).
Swin...@webtv.net
There are only two ways of telling the complete truth - anonymously and
posthumously.
Thomas Sowell
Bob Wheatley
> Enough about this dead, dead, dead, DEAD woman. If it'll end this
> assinine Eleanor issue once and for all, I'll say you've convinced me.
> She was without a doubt the greatest dancer who ever was or ever will
> be. I think all dancing in the world should cease, b/c after all, no
> one can be as good as dear ol' Ely, so why try to improve on
> perfection? You win, ya hear. YOU WIN!!! Can you please get a life
> now?
AMEN!
......Or at least quit cross posting this crap to RAD where people have a
clue about dancing.....
(The majority of negativity towards these posts is coming from RAD
participants)
And thank you Philster for the kind words. I am truly flattered.:>)
Bob Wheatley
virge...@netscape.net
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If you think these two clowns (John & Bob) are so great, then you also
need help. There is no excuse for the use of vulgar street language
in an adult discussion. You and all the other flamers out there
should rent a rubber room in fruitcake city until you have all been
fully rehabilitated. BTW, John Power admits he is a Howard Stern fan.
Most of the people who allow themselves to go down to Howard Stern's
mental level are incapable of expressing themselves in a civil way.
Virgil Trent
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Bob Wheatley
> You and all the other flamers out there should rent a rubber room in
fruitcake city until you have all been fully rehabilitated. >
> Virgil Trent
Hmmm.......
Is this a public endorsement derived from personal experience? :>)
While we're at it since your doing the advising, can you post the directions
to "fruitcake city"?
Oh yeah and BTW since you like rubber........
how do you feel about gladiator movies? :>)
Bob Wheatley
john...@verobeachlaw.com
I am in communication with Eleanor via a well-repected though unnamed
medium who has been seen on TV. Eleanor is troubled by your
misconceptions about her abilities. She revealed to me that she
disliked dance and only did it for the money. She again confirmed
that body doubles were used for all but the simplest of dance
movements e.g. an American Style foxtrot basic i.e. forward forward
side together. She also said that while Fred may have been good on
the floor he was not good in .... well, you can fill in the rest.
Plus he had halitosis that would curl oil based paint.
Eleanor has requested that I, as her confidant and attorney (albeit
"pro bono") advise you that your rose colored glasses perceptions of
her are unhealthy and are subjecting you to unnecessary criticism.
Eleanor also disclosed that if alive, she would be a fan of Howard
Stern and in fact is so even though she is dead and intended to remain
in that condition.
I would be willing to relay your response if you need additional
information and confirmation of the facts represented and/or otherwise
alluded to herein.
And Bob knows that I am an honest and truthful person and would never
lie about these things....
Bob Wheatley
> And Bob knows that I am an honest and truthful person and would never lie
about these things.... >
....And out of respect for John's integrity, which also has been greatly
impugned, I am responding as best I can in his native tongue.
I hereby forthwith do solemnly swear and make public endorsement to the
character of said party to the first party and the conjuration thereof. The
aforementioned party to the first party shall be accorded respect with all
due diligence and any and all allegations resulting in damage to same shall
cease and desist immediately.
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Jerry C.
>>society board here on yahoo. Then all five of you who can't let her
>>go can formal some sort of dancing circle jerk where you can post &
>>re-post ad naseum (emphasis on naseum)how you dream of the day when
>>the art of cloning is mastered and you can create an entire legion of
>>"EP's" who can entertain you to your hearts desire.
>>
>>Enough about this dead, dead, dead, DEAD woman. If it'll end this
>>assinine Eleanor issue once and for all, I'll say you've convinced me.
>> She was without a doubt the greatest dancer who ever was or ever will
>>be. I think all dancing in the world should cease, b/c after all, no
>>one can be as good as dear ol' Ely, so why try to improve on
>>perfection? You win, ya hear. YOU WIN!!! Can you please get a life
>>now?
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you think these two clowns (John & Bob) are so great, then you also
> need help. There is no excuse for the use of vulgar street language
> in an adult discussion. You and all the other flamers out there
> should rent a rubber room in fruitcake city until you have all been
> fully rehabilitated. BTW, John Power admits he is a Howard Stern fan.
> Most of the people who allow themselves to go down to Howard Stern's
> mental level are incapable of expressing themselves in a civil way.
>
> Virgil Trent
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Virgil,
You are posting at a severe disadvantage. You may not get too much
explanation here for newsgroup cliques usually have no patience for the
uninformed outsider. Since you don't know the context and duration of
the Eleanor Powell posts and you don't know John's and Bob's
personalities from regular participation in rec.arts.dance, I'll give
you some background. The necrophiliac that has been posting the EP
adulation has been posting this regularly for a long time, and
cross-posting into varioius acting/theatre/dance/etc. newsgroups. He
has posted in response to no one and apparently without much purpose
except his obsession. This necrophiliac has a serious problem, but from
merely looking at one post, one would conclude his rambling is
relatively harmless. After awhile though, regular participants in
rec.arts.dance are getting a little tired of his obsession and Bob, John
and others are just throwing shit back at the weirdo. While some may
question John's or Bob's normalcy, ;-) they are probably no more
abnormal than you, me, and a million others. They are definitely not as
you perceive them and are not akin to some of the low-life dregs that
infect some of the newsgroups.
Jerry Cipriano
Bushwhacker
And, posting from a theater newsgroup and previously unfamiliar with
them, I must say I've enjoyed their wit (especially as an antidote to
the EP wacko).
john...@verobeachlaw.com
wrote:
Uh, thanks for the defense Jerry. Bob and I appreciate it although
neither one of us probably thought we needed it....
john...@verobeachlaw.com
That's good Bob. Damn good...
Bob Wheatley
news:bf6240lpgftqjb69g...@4ax.com...
<sniffle>...<snort>...<tears>
Why thank you.....Just in time for the Oscars tomorrow night too.
Now perhaps I can unseat that evil Eleanor Powell bitch as the greatest
dancer of all time and receive the credit I'm due.
I'll have the necrophilia's of the world wanting to ravage my corpse in
another 40 or 50 years from now.
( I hope there's such a thing as a female necrophilia )
Bob Wheatley
Jerry C.
>>virge...@netscape.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If you think these two clowns (John & Bob) are so great, then you also
>>>need help. There is no excuse for the use of vulgar street language
=================================
john...@verobeachlaw.com wrote:
> Uh, thanks for the defense Jerry. Bob and I appreciate it although
> neither one of us probably thought we needed it....
=================================
You're right John. This "bleeding heart liberal" felt bad for Virgil
because he seemed to mean well, but was clueless as to what was going on.
Jerry
ger7...@yahoo.com
> "Daniel Testa" <danc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e8d35e3.04022...@posting.google.com...
> > "Bob Wheatley" <master...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<quw_b.561$fL4...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> > >
> > > The bottom line is that there is no objective way to say anyone is the
> > > greatest dancer of all time.
> > > Period.
> > > These Eleanor Powell posts grow tiresome and they have absolutely no
> > > objective merit.
> > > In order to make a claim of greatest dancer, one would need to at the
> very
> > > least to have competed against other dancers of the era and been judged
> by
> > > professional judges of the era.
> > > No contest outcomes withstanding, these posts are nothing more than the
> > > ranting of a fanatical admirer.
> > > A sick admirer.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Wheatley
> >
> > Just to play Devil's advocate, the great dancers of the silver screen
> > from that period of time (Fred Astaire e. g.) were not considered
> > great because they won dance competitions but because of their work
> > that was captured on film. I would contend that the skills that Fred
> > and Eleanor used in their numbers from Broadway Melody of 1940 are not
> > exactly the same as the skills that would be needed for them to win a
> > J&J invitational against the best competition swing dancers of the
> > period.
> >
> > More generally, I'd say that doing well in a dance competition is
> > different than doing well in a non-competitive exhibition.
> >
> > As another example, a hoofer that is more currently popular would be
> > Michael Flately. I don't consider him to be great because of his tap
> > competition victories but more for what he has done with
> > Riverdance/Lord of the Dance etc.
> >
> > I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote.
>
>
> I understand where you're coming from, but it still does not change the fact
> that proclamations of greatness without accepted endorsements are simply
> "opinions". We all have them.
> I for one have never been impressed by Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly or any
> other actor/dancer. (Reputations notwithstanding)
> I have also seen Mr. Flatley perform. While I agree he is paid to move his
> body and some call that dancing, I am unimpressed.
> Different strokes .....
>
> Bob Wheatley
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Gerry Preston here! Bob, you are correct when you say,
"...proclamations of greatness without endorsements are simply
opinions." So here are just a few endorsements of Eleanor Powell's
greatness:
(1) After Eleanor Powell and Fred Astaire finished making
"Broadway Melody of 1940," Fred Astaire admitted that Eleanor Powell
was a better dancer than himself. (See Lloyd and Fuller, "The
Illustrated Who's Who of the Cinema," 1987, p. 353.) In my opinion,
this indicates how great a dancer Eleanor Powell was, since there is a
general agreement among the experts that Fred Astaire is one of the
greatest dancers who ever lived.
(2) Fayard Nicholas (of the famous Nicholas Brothers) said, "I
don't think of her [Eleanor Powell] as the world's greatest female
dancer. I think of her as the world's greatest dancer." (See Alice
Levin, "Eleanor Powell: First Lady of Dance," 1997, pp.141-143.)
Next time, make sure you do your homework before you criticize
someone's comments. I must say, however, that your crticism is
justified only because the Eleanor Powell poster did not say that
his/her statements are documented facts.
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john...@verobeachlaw.com
Astaire made that comment because he wanted to keep receiving
royalties from the movie and knew that if he said anything negative
about Powell (even though, privately, he confided that there were many
negative things to say on that subject matter) it could have an
adverse impact on his cash flow.
Nicholas too had a hidden agenda. Few people know that she had inside
information about a long term relationship he was secretively carrying
on that would have, in those times, been considered, well, less than
acceptable and he was anxious to keep her happy (and quiet). Hence
the ego-stroking.
You Powell worshippers continue to deny the obvious. Her talents on
her feet on the dance floor were minimal. Her talents on her knees on
the dance floor however were legendary, as evidenced by the fact that
she continued to receive roles despite her inability to even dance on
time.
And stop being mean to Bob...
Bob Wheatley
> Gerry Preston here! Bob, you are correct when you say,
> "...proclamations of greatness without endorsements are simply
> opinions." So here are just a few endorsements of Eleanor Powell's
> greatness:
> (1) After Eleanor Powell and Fred Astaire finished making
> "Broadway Melody of 1940," Fred Astaire admitted that Eleanor Powell
> was a better dancer than himself. (See Lloyd and Fuller, "The
> Illustrated Who's Who of the Cinema," 1987, p. 353.) In my opinion,
> this indicates how great a dancer Eleanor Powell was, since there is a
> general agreement among the experts that Fred Astaire is one of the
> greatest dancers who ever lived.
He said / she said bullcrap.
What competitive format was utilized to arrive at either of these
conclusions?
Fred was also known to claim that Robyn Astaire was the greatest woman who
ever lived. So what.
> (2) Fayard Nicholas (of the famous Nicholas Brothers) said, "I
> don't think of her [Eleanor Powell] as the world's greatest female
> dancer. I think of her as the world's greatest dancer." (See Alice
> Levin, "Eleanor Powell: First Lady of Dance," 1997, pp.141-143.)
>
More irrelevant blathering.
These people you call "dancers", I call "hoofers".
They are stage and theater performers. If they want to make claims of
"worlds greatest dancers" then let them get their asses on a competition
floor like everyone else.
It would never happen though. These people are afraid of legitimate
competition.
Elleanor herself was not above eliminating anyone she thought was her
competition. Check this excerpt......
(From http://www.tappingintoit.com/comparison.html )
"There is, however, evidence that Eleanor Powell was not above pulling
strings of this nature. Peggy Ryan was cast to play Eleanor as a child in
the picture Born to Dance (MGM, 1936), which was the next film Eleanor made
after Broadway Melody of 1936. Peggy was a child dancing star. She
recalled in an interview that she was taking classes at Jimmy Muellett's
dancing school at the Hollywood Professional school. He taught Peggy an
Eleanor Powell-style routine, which she performed for Dave Gould, the dance
director at MGM. They signed Peggy to a seven-year contract, then had
Eleanor Powell come and look at her dance. Eleanor watched her rehearse and
said flatly, "She is not dancing in my movie." Peggy chalked it up to the
"cute kids and animals" thing. When Peggy was later cast in Top of the Town
(MGM, 1937) she stated she received a bouquet of roses and a note which
said, "To my protegee, from Eleanor Powell." (Frank 204)."
> Next time, make sure you do your homework before you criticize
someone's comments. >
Back at ya'.....
Bob Wheatley
DavKopp
Are you actually engaging in debate with these Eleanor Powell people? That's
kinda like debating politics with followers of Lyndon LaRouche, don'cha think?
David Koppelman
Bob Wheatley
news:20040302001102...@mb-m12.aol.com...
What can I say?
It's been slow around here lately...:>)
Besides, it's easy pickins'.....
Bob Wheatley
john...@verobeachlaw.com
I'm not debating them. I am just affording them the benefit of my
Hollywood inside information...
ger7...@yahoo.com
>
>
> it could have an
> >adverse impact on his cash flow.
>
> claim that Eleanor Powell *was a better dancer than himself*?
>
>
> >Nicholas too had a hidden agenda. Few people know that she had inside
> >information about a long term relationship he was secretively carrying
> >on that would have, in those times, been considered, well, less than
> >acceptable and he was anxious to keep her happy (and quiet). Hence
> >the ego-stroking.
>
> claimed that she was the world's greatest *female* dancer?
******************************************************************************
> Fayard Nicholas made that staement after Eleanor Powell passed away.
******************************************************************************
Larry Gantman
> Bill Anderson
>
> I am the Mighty Favog
What! Proferring advice before receiving your three chickens, two swans,
and a duck? :^)
- Larry Gantman
Johnny Stark
> Eleanor Powell is the most graceful and charming dancer I have ever
> seen. When she dances, she moves through space with incredible speed
> and fluidity. I have never seen anyone dance with such grace and
> elegance. This becomes evident when you carefully study the movement
> of her hands and arms during the ballroom dance number she does with
> George Murphy at the end of "Broadway Melody of 1938." Her
> performances are absolutely flawless. I attribute this to the huge
> amount of time and effort she put into her work. Ellie was blessed
> with boundless energy and an enormous capacity for hard work. She
> worked relentlessly to perfect her craft. This is one of the things
> that made her the greatest dancer of all time. Since reality is a
> subjective experience, there will be those who do not agree with my
> assessment of Eleanor Powell's abilities. But if they sharpen their
> perceptive powers, they will know greatness when they see it.
==============================================================================
I agree! Ellie's ballroom number with George Murphy is very graceful,
but I thought that her final solo number (in top hat and tails) really
showcases her extraordinary dancing skills. Love those dancing feet.
I call Ellie the dancer with the million-dollar smile.
Johnny Stark
==============================================================================
Larry Grayson
===============================================================================
Bob,
You and the rest of that sick crowd are as nutty as a fruitcake. All
of you need therapy. BTW, your writing is terrible. Why don't you
take some writing courses so you don't embarass yourself on the Web.
I'm curious, did you ever go beyond the third grade?
Larry Grayson
===============================================================================
Bob Wheatley
> Bob,
>
> You and the rest of that sick crowd are as nutty as a fruitcake. All
> of you need therapy. BTW, your writing is terrible. Why don't you
> take some writing courses so you don't embarass yourself on the Web.
> I'm curious, did you ever go beyond the third grade?
>
> Larry Grayson
>
I understand that everyone but necrophilia's think I'm funny....
What do YOU think? :>))
Bob Wheatley
John H. Power
Grayson) wrote:
Are you implying that Eleanor was not the fraud I happen to know, FOR
A FACT, that she was?
And I told you to lay off Bob. he does the best he can, given his
circumstances....
John H. Power
Bob, don't play along with his games. You may be a little out of your
league here so I suggest that you let me deal with this, this,
this....confused person. After all, I'm a lawyer. Given your
profession you are naturally a very trusting (and must I say, at times
sweetly naive) individual (kind of like Michael Jackson except you
have a darker complexion) and I don't want you to get hurt in all
this.
I will give you the standard RAD member discount of course.
Bob Wheatley
> And I told you to lay off Bob. he does the best he can, given his
> circumstances....
whaddaya mean? i gradiated frum the 2nd grade and i lerned muh guzintas and
everthang.
ya know... 3 guzinta 9 3 times.....
bub weetly
Larry Grayson
================================================================================
Bob,
Tell your sick friend John Power to stick a sock in it. His writing
is worst than yours. I don't believe that bozo is a lawyer. If he
was a lawyer, he would not have time to bad-mouth people in
newsgroups. Both of you deserve each other.
Larry Grayson
================================================================================
John H. Power
Grayson) wrote:
He figured me out Bob. And all this time I thought I was a lawyer.
Lawyer or not, it is obvious that some people can't accept the truth
about Eleanor Powell. She was a fraud and an incompetent dancer.
Body doubles can really fool you though....
Ed Rhodes
> <virge...@netscape.net> wrote
>
> > I think John Power and Bob Wheatley both had a severely disturbed
> childhood. >
>
>
>
> We have a severely disturbed adulthood too.
> But we aren't worshipping the dead and we are not necrophilias....
>
>
>
>
> Bob Wheatley
Certainly sounds to me like you're trying to fuck over the memory of a great
star! (Sorry for the rudeness people, but there weren't any euphorisms (sp)
that would work! - If you know one, I apologize for not thinking of it.)
Ed Jay
>"Bob Wheatley" <master...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:wmH%b.16232$921....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>> <virge...@netscape.net> wrote
>>
>> > I think John Power and Bob Wheatley both had a severely disturbed
>> childhood. >
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>> We have a severely disturbed adulthood too.
>> But we aren't worshipping the dead and we are not necrophilias....
>>
>> Bob Wheatley
>
>Certainly sounds to me like you're trying to fuck over the memory of a great
>star!
Not exactly. John takes issue with the term 'great' and observed that she
wasn't a great dancer, let alone possibly the best dancer the world has
known.
Obviously, she was a star. But a great star? What makes a star great, PR or
talent? If it's PR, then yup, she was great. If it's talent, and John's
assertion is valid, then nope, she wasn't a great star.
>(Sorry for the rudeness people, but there weren't any euphorisms (sp)
>that would work! - If you know one, I apologize for not thinking of it.)
>
The word 'screw' would have made a nice synonym. Or, 'defame the memory
of...' Shame, shame on you! You fucked errrr screwed up! Don't let it happen
again.
Ed Jay (remove M to respond)
John H. Power
Ed, I am assuming you realize that Bob and I are just having fun with
these hero worshippers who apparently lack the capacity to understand
what the phrase "tongue in cheek" means...I think they would relate
much better to the phrase "thumb up ---}...
lensman1955
> Ed, I am assuming you realize that Bob and I are just having fun with
> these hero worshippers who apparently lack the capacity to understand
> what the phrase "tongue in cheek" means...I think they would relate
> much better to the phrase "thumb up ---}...
Sorry, my bad. I'm not good at sarcasm.
Johnny Stark
Larry,
You are wasting your time trying to reach those idiots. They have no life.
There lights are on, but nobody is home. If we all ignore them, they will
go away.
Johhny Stark
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Bob Wheatley
> Larry,
> You are wasting your time trying to reach those idiots. They have no
life. There lights are on, but nobody is home. If we all ignore them, they
will go away.
>
> Johhny Stark
Hmmm....
Excuse me sir, I realize I'm an "idiot", and you of course are not,
but......
Could you please direct me to exactly WHERE the lights are on?
:>))
Bob Wheatley
Ed Jay
>You are wasting your time trying to reach those idiots. They have no life.
>There lights are on, but nobody is home. If we all ignore them, they will
>go away.
>
Johnny, it probably hasn't occurred to any of you people that if you cease
cross-posting your 'stuff' to rec.arts.dance, you wouldn't be forced to
read our responses. In other words, the ball to go away is in your court.
Ed Jay (No M to reply)
John H. Power
wrote:
We will not go away, at least I will not, until you concede what those
of us (read me) with inside information have known for some time.
This woman was a mediocre dancer at best who used body doubles for the
more difficult routines. Obviously these other two men (Bob and Ed)
are trying to blow smoke up your #$%@^ but I have a direct link. My
uncle (mother's side) worked for one of the production companies that
utilized the services (not the same "services" that a number of
directors used from her) of Eleanor. He would visit on occasion and
the talk would frequently shift to Hollywood and the weird things that
were going on there. The "Eleanor thing" was, on occasion, discussed
and he explained how they would substitute the body double without the
audiences ever realizing what had happened.
He also informed us that Eleanor was a pioneer of sorts in the breast
augmentation world. She had hers done very early in her career by one
Doctor Edmund Willingham of Boston and a mistake was made. One breast
ended up substantially larger then the other. From that point forward
she had to stuff her left breast bra cup with foam to even them up.
Take a close look at her then next time you have a chance. (Stop
smirking Bob). From time to time you will see a faint outline of a
right nipple thru her outfit. You will never see one of her left
nipple because it was always covered with foam.
I know Ed and Bob probably don't believe this but they know me well
enough to know that I would never make something like this up. After
all and as I have said before, I am a lawyer, which means that I am
smarter (much) than either one of them (sorry Bob, sorry Ed but I
can't be more delicate than this) and much more worldly and
knowledgeable about these things.
So suck it up my friend in dance and admit the truth. Perhaps one day
we can tilt a glass together and I can give you more details about the
fake dance goddess you call ...Eleanor....
Ed Jay
LOL. Bob, he did it! I'm at a loss for words. :-)
Bob Wheatley
> LOL. Bob, he did it! I'm at a loss for words. :-)
>
> Ed Jay
:>))
It's indeed a rare occasion when both of us are put in our place with one
post, but....
Dammitt!
That was some funny shit.....:>))
Bob Wheatley
Ed Jay
John H. Power
Yes, I thought Johnny's post was quite humorous also
>Bob Wheatley
>
>
Mike Rice
supposed to believe you too? Wasn't she in Detective Story?
Mike Rice
Mike Rice
thes, he is not the maestro you guys claim him to be. If he
did, however, you are absolutely right, he is a genius.
Mike Rice
John H. Power
eraseletter...@centurytel.net (Mike Rice) wrote:
>Unless he made up every single word including the ands and
>thes, he is not the maestro you guys claim him to be. If he
>did, however, you are absolutely right, he is a genius.
>
>Mike Rice
>
>
I assume you are referring to me as the genius and yes, you are
right...
Bob Wheatley
> I assume you are referring to me as the genius and yes, you are
> right...
>
You've been a huge inspiration in my life, I know that.:>)
Bob Wheatley
John H. Power
As I say to those who watch me dance (or try cases) - don't clap just
throw money...
Ed Jay
Bob Wheatley
> As I say to those who watch me dance - don't clap just throw money...
>
I tell the ladies to keep their money and just remember my number....
Because they'll be screaming it later.......:>)
Bob Wheatley