DON'T BUY XMEN: PRIME!!!
James Dublin
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and
practically said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of
character. It does anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We
find out for certain; Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but
they have absolutely no effect as to what happens in the story. Just the
juvanile b.s. where the two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt,
neigt, neiahhh!" Also both making references that both had been around
for twenty years! Yeah right, and just now they decide to show up now.
Doesn't work. Holocaust also comes through and was in the big block of
ice near Avalon (I read he makes big trouble there in June (?) in Advance
Comics, not that it wasn't so totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The
parts with Emplate, Mystique, X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense.
Obviously,
Marvel's teasing us with "future storyline" directions; but a smooth
transition, this is not.
well as time. Little consolation is that I got 20% off when I bought it.
I know there are many threads about how bad different aspects of the comic
were, but now we as comic buyers ought to tell Marvel this fact. This
means not buying the comic (don't worry, no real revelations or lasting
worth to the book). And tell your retailer this also. But do spend money
there since it wasn't their fault.
OK... one and only one good point. It had a good cover. Now don't getr me
wrong. In fact I have personally boycotted the last two x-crossovers
(extinction agenda and phallanx covenant, I think) because of the trend I
see Marvel going these days to put a "neat" cover on the same old crap
and charge twice+ the normal rate (as if they haven't been screwing
around with that enough. See: MARVEL'S QUEST FOR MONEY thread also on
this board). I did like the cover though. Clear with a simple background
with the X-men on the clear cover all in "action poses."
Now, the bad... [warning: this contains SPOILERS which really aren't
spoilers since nothing really happened in the comic anyhow and maybe
slightly long, but I'll try brevity.]
The pencilling was HORID! Awful, disgusting... bad. This happens when you
see a pool of artists listed without credit as to who did what. Prof. X
suffers the worst in this. He looks soooooo dopey. Just flip through it,
you'll see. 'nuff said.
Also Lobdell wrote it. No wonder why the story was so weak and practically
said nothing. Everyone freaks out or is TOTALLY out of character. It does
anything but making a smooth segue into NormalX. We find out for certain;
Sugarman, Alt-Beast, and Nate crossed over, but they have absolutely no
effect as to what happens in the story. Just the juvanile b.s. where the
two bad-guys take in the sights and go, "neigt, neigt, neiahhh!" Also both
making references that both had been around for twenty years! Yeah right,
and just now they decide to show up now. Doesn't work. Holocaust also
comes through and was in the big block of ice near Avalon (I read he makes
big trouble there in June (?) in Advance Comics, not that it wasn't so
totally obvious from XMen: Omega). The parts with Emplate, Mystique,
X-Force. and Wolverine made no sense. Obviously, Marvel's teasing us with
"future storyline" directions; but a smooth transition, this is not.
The conclusion with the dead mutent (again, a thin metaphor to bigatry
and AIDS) is neither emotionally charged or full with meaning. And the
x-titles have had some excellent emotional issues lately (death of
Illyana, the departure of Logan, and Jubilee's problem to deal with both)
so I know they CAN do these type, although they are incredibly hard to
pull off. Which is why a pool of pencilors and artists is very very bad
idea for an issue like this.
THE SOLUTION! Don't buy this issue. It had little to no story relivence
to the x-universe. Two it won't be valuable ever. For reasons why that's
so please see the other thread MARVEL'S QUEST FOR MONEY! and also
COLLECTING_COMICS=VALUE? on rec.arts.comics.misc. I'm especially looking
for responses to these threads as I am doing some research.
SOLUTION 2! Call Marvel and complain about what total dicks they are to
pawn off a momentus piece of crap like this on kids (like me) who shell
out five bucks and just expect to be entertained. Their phone number is
(212) 696-0808. Their address is 387 Park Avenue South, New York, New
York (the only place where they liked the name so much they say it
twice), 10016. Writting often has more effect with out of touch people
such as Stan and his crew.
CALL! CALL AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS! ESPECIALLY LITTLE KIDS! For some
reason, Marvel expects to lose adults anyhow. Go figure. KIDS, IF YOU HAVE
TO TELL YOUR PARENTS WHY YOU NEED TO MAKE A LONG DISTANCE CALL (except for
those of you in Manhattan), TELL THEM BAD COMICS ARE ROTTING YOUR MIND AND
THAT A KIDS VOICE NEEDS TO BE HEARD SO THAT MARVEL WILL STOP RIPPING OFF
PEOPLE. Normally I wouldn't incite something like this, but XMen: Prime
was the last straw and now I'm pissed off.
You should be too.
jim
James Dublin
Then take action!
James Dublin (ez04...@rocky.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
In two words: super bullshit. Really, it is a complete waste of
$4.95 as well as a waste of time (even more valuable).
OK... one and only one good point. It had a good cover. Now don't
getr me wrong. In fact I have personally boycotted the last two
x-crossovers (extinction agenda and phallanx covenant, I think) because of
the trend I see Marvel going these days to put a "neat" cover on the same
old crap and charge twice+ the normal rate (as if they haven't been
screwing around with that enough. See: MARVEL'S QUEST FOR MONEY thread
also on this board). I did like the cover though. Clear with a simple
background with the X-men on the clear cover all in "action poses."
Now, the bad... [warning: this contains SPOILERS which really
aren't spoilers since nothing really happened in the comic anyhow and
maybe slightly long, but I'll try brevity.]
The pencilling was HORID! Awful, disgusting... bad. This happens
when you see a pool of artists listed without credit as to who did what.
Prof. X suffers the worst in this. He looks soooooo dopey. Just flip
through it, you'll see. Albeit, comic art, like beer, is an empirical
process. I hate EVERYTHING Rob ("I'm part of an independent movement."
all the while rehashing stuff he did at Marvel) Liefeld has done since he
started with Image, but a good friend of mine loves him and Extreme
Studioes (although he has no art sense). I like Cave Creek Chili micro brew
beer, he thinks it tastes bad (too hot).
shell out five bucks and just expect to be entertained. Their phone
number is (212) 696-0808. Their address is 387 Park Avenue South, New
York, New York (the only place where they liked the name so much they
say it twice), 10016. Writting often has more effect with out of touch
people such as Stan and his crew.
CALL! CALL AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS! ESPECIALLY LITTLE KIDS! For
some reason, Marvel expects to lose adults anyhow. Go figure. KIDS, IF
YOU HAVE TO TELL YOUR PARENTS WHY YOU NEED TO MAKE A LONG DISTANCE CALL
(except for those of you in Manhattan), TELL THEM BAD COMICS ARE ROTTING
YOUR MIND AND THAT A KIDS VOICE NEEDS TO BE HEARD SO THAT MARVEL WILL
STOP RIPPING OFF PEOPLE. Normally I wouldn't incite something like this,
but XMen: Prime was the last straw and now I'm pissed off.
You should be too.
jim
P.S. look for the two threads I was talking about sometime Monday. I'm
tired and am getting some sleep. Sorry, I thought the diet Coke would
keep me up.
Sid Spencer
comic? Yeah it's expensive, but some of us happened to like it.
Jerry B. Ray
>Ummmmmm....Jim, don't you have anything better to do than trash a good
>comic? Yeah it's expensive, but some of us happened to like it.
Um, so far, you're it in that "liked it" category, from what I've seen.
And was it really necessary to quote the nearly-200-line review to
add a 2-line comment?
JRjr
--
'Summer's going fast, nights growing colder
Children growing up, old friends growing older
The innocence slips away...'--Rush, Time Stand Still
##### vap...@prism.gatech.edu ######## Jerry B. Ray, Jr. ################
>>>--Ricochet-->
>Ummmmmm....Jim, don't you have anything better to do than trash a good
>comic? Yeah it's expensive, but some of us happened to like it.
>On 8 May 1995, James Dublin wrote:
<<<snip! snip! snip! snip!>>>
Well, I have to go with jim on this one...it was crap.
And word of advice Sid, when writing only 2 lines of text, do not quote the
rest of the article. It's only polite to the rest of us.
>>>--Ricochet-->
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>>>--Ricochet-->
Jacob W Michaels
: In article <Pine.A32.3.91i.95050...@homer05.u.washington.edu> Sid Spencer <bo...@u.washington.edu> writes:
: >Ummmmmm....Jim, don't you have anything better to do than trash a good
: >comic? Yeah it's expensive, but some of us happened to like it.
: Um, so far, you're it in that "liked it" category, from what I've seen.
: And was it really necessary to quote the nearly-200-line review to
: add a 2-line comment?
Well, I think it's getting a bit of a bum rap, but maybe I'm an
apologist. The art wasn't as pad, IMO, as Jrjr (no pun intended)
except for the page with rogue, it was just inconsistent which was
annoying.
The story was so-so. The biggest complaint was the price, I would
say, which is reason to not buy it, if you're not a completist or
have money problems. I've seen worse stories, and it did leave me
a little curious about X-factor even if it did screw over most of
the other xbooks, as far as coverage. The core story, about Dennis,
was ok, if nothing too original. To be honest, I was afraid he'd
become a new X-man which would have irritated me, so I was just
as happy to see him go. The biggest problem was the few retcons, which
we were going to have to suffer anyway, and Rogue's misuse of her
powers, which we have been suffering anyway, and Chuck's misuse
of his powers, which we've been seeing more of anyway.
I guess I'm, willing to differentiate between what's wrong with the
xbooks as a whole (bad usage of powers, retcons, etc) and what's bad
about an individual book.
Jacob
David R. Henry
>Ummmmmm....Jim, don't you have anything better to do than trash a good
>comic? Yeah it's expensive, but some of us happened to like it.
That's the way the thing works here in Xbooks. You trash something, someone
else defends it.
I'd trash it, but I'm recovering from my operation. Toodles!
I did like the art on Rogue, however.
--
David R. Henry-Rogue Fan Club // This sig is only 222 characters long, ok?
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS / What was the question? -- Kate Bush
dhe...@plains.nodak.edu * Evolution: Give it some time, it'll grow on ya.
David R. Henry
>>I did like the art on Rogue, however.
>Now this surprises me. I wouldn't go so far as to say _like_..her hair
>was awfully big.. but I liked seeing some of the old Rogue, that liked to
>have fun once in awhile. Hopefully she isn't just covering up angst. :)
I liked it because I could tell what was going on, it was a muddier
style of art (which I prefer), and it didn't try for that faux-realism
which is so hard to stomach that the rest of the X-artists seem to be
set on reproducing. If the art team that did the Rogue section of Prime
got the contract for the normal X-Men book, I wouldn't mind one bit.
In fact, given the screams of the fans here from just those two pages,
I may up enjoying it entirely out of proportion.
"Ever breathe oxygen kid? Good, don't start."
--
David R. Henry-Rogue Fan Club /// I'm just in stiches and needles, I am...
Chinh Nguyen
Jacob W Michaels <JWMI...@frost.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
>David R. Henry (dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
>: I did like the art on Rogue, however.
>
>I would take a guess then, that it was either an eye or a brain operation.
>Hope you're ok, drh.
Oh, the Rogue art in Prime wasn't *that* bad, IMHO. Maybe because they
didn't do any close-ups and she was wearing sun-glasses so you couldn't
see her eyes. I thought it was rather... well, stylish. She looked like
she was having a good time. Bobby and that dancer were awful, though.
--Chinh Nguyen
Russell C. Hentz
Nguyen) writes:
>
>In article <3omidb$3...@nic.umass.edu>,
>Jacob W Michaels <JWMI...@frost.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
>>David R. Henry (dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
>
>>: I did like the art on Rogue, however.
>>
>Oh, the Rogue art in Prime wasn't *that* bad, IMHO. Maybe because
they
>didn't do any close-ups and she was wearing sun-glasses so you
couldn't
>see her eyes. I thought it was rather... well, stylish. She looked
like
>she was having a good time. Bobby and that dancer were awful, though.
>
>--Chinh Nguyen
Ummmmm, my only problem with the art on Rogue was her hands were
slightly bigger than her head. ;>
Jacob W Michaels
: >Ummmmmm....Jim, don't you have anything better to do than trash a good
: >comic? Yeah it's expensive, but some of us happened to like it.
: That's the way the thing works here in Xbooks. You trash something, someone
: else defends it.
: I'd trash it, but I'm recovering from my operation. Toodles!
: I did like the art on Rogue, however.
I would take a guess then, that it was either an eye or a brain operation.
Hope you're ok, drh.
Jacob
Jane Griffin
David R. Henry <dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu> wrote:
>
>I'd trash it, but I'm recovering from my operation. Toodles!
*sigh* You poor man. You have to watch those bathtubs. :(
>
>I did like the art on Rogue, however.
>
>--
>David R. Henry-Rogue Fan Club // This sig is only 222 characters long, ok?
>"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS / What was the question? -- Kate Bush
>dhe...@plains.nodak.edu * Evolution: Give it some time, it'll grow on ya.
Now this surprises me. I wouldn't go so far as to say _like_..her hair
was awfully big.. but I liked seeing some of the old Rogue, that liked to
have fun once in awhile. Hopefully she isn't just covering up angst. :)
Jane Griffin
Jacob W Michaels
: >>I did like the art on Rogue, however.
: >Now this surprises me. I wouldn't go so far as to say _like_..her hair
: >was awfully big.. but I liked seeing some of the old Rogue, that liked to
: >have fun once in awhile. Hopefully she isn't just covering up angst. :)
: I liked it because I could tell what was going on, it was a muddier
: style of art (which I prefer), and it didn't try for that faux-realism
: which is so hard to stomach that the rest of the X-artists seem to be
: set on reproducing. If the art team that did the Rogue section of Prime
: got the contract for the normal X-Men book, I wouldn't mind one bit.
: In fact, given the screams of the fans here from just those two pages,
: I may up enjoying it entirely out of proportion.
Well, like I've said before art is all subjective. I much prefer the
more realistic style, a la Epting or Zircher, even if it can appear
unrealistic occasionaly. I'm just not a big fan of more abstract art.
I detest Jae Lee, and dislike JRjr, even though I know others like
them. Bachalo is ok, IMO, but not my favorite. I'd much rather see
Mr. Kubert though, than whoever did that Rogue.
Jacob
nelson jeffrey dale
>In <3ooc97$e...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> chin...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Chinh
>Nguyen) writes:
>>
>>In article <3omidb$3...@nic.umass.edu>,
>>Jacob W Michaels <JWMI...@frost.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
>>>David R. Henry (dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
>>
>>>: I did like the art on Rogue, however.
>>>
>>Oh, the Rogue art in Prime wasn't *that* bad, IMHO. Maybe because
>they
>>didn't do any close-ups and she was wearing sun-glasses so you
>couldn't
>>see her eyes. I thought it was rather... well, stylish. She looked
>like
>>she was having a good time. Bobby and that dancer were awful, though.
>>
>>--Chinh Nguyen
>Ummmmm, my only problem with the art on Rogue was her hands were
>slightly bigger than her head. ;>
What about the fact that everything was drawn using straight lines except
for Rogue's hooters? "Let's see...line...line...line...huge curve...line..."
Kate the Short
Heck. Forget the hands. What about the feet?!?!? They were HUGE on her and
Bobby, and in the ugggggliest pair of sneakers I have ever laid eyes on. Not
like Rogue would ever wear anything that tacky. She's gotta have Gambit around
in her head to look that awful...
kate.
--
| -Kate the Short- (KEW...@exodus.valpo.edu) at Valparaiso University |
| Exclamation Points are the Spice of Life, and the Sorrow of the Reader. |
Michael Triggs
> Oh, the Rogue art in Prime wasn't *that* bad, IMHO. Maybe because they
> didn't do any close-ups and she was wearing sun-glasses so you couldn't
Yes it was. It was the way the lips were drawn. By the way Rogue's lips were
inked, it looked as if she was wearing black lipstick.
Paul O'Brien
>If you guys didn't like it, TELL MARVEL!
>Do something!
A few years ago I would have agreed with you. These days Marvel
only listen to sales figures, not readers' letters, as near as
I can make out. As long as people are buying the books, they
don't give a shit whether they enjoy them.
Paul O'Brien
pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk, elf...@srv0.law.ed.ac.uk
So who the XXXX is Alice?
Jim Ryssman
: >
: > Oh, the Rogue art in Prime wasn't *that* bad, IMHO. Maybe because they
: Yes it was. It was the way the lips were drawn. By the way Rogue's lips were
: inked, it looked as if she was wearing black lipstick.
If you guys didn't like it, TELL MARVEL!
Do something!
jim