A couple of weeks ago, I was looking at the Shatterstar section of The
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (TOHOTMU?). Under the
catergory of "Other distinguishing features", it said he had "three
fingers and an opposable thumb." I looked at X-Force 45 and counted
his fingers...the result...five fingers. I think that this aspect of
'Star has been forgotten because of the various changes of pencillers.
I believe that Mr. 501 intended 'Star to have four fingers, but that
will no longer be the case. (Especially with the direction that Jeph
Loeb has hinted.)
Cheri Hatanaka
>I believe that Mr. 501 intended 'Star to have four fingers, but that
>will no longer be the case. (Especially with the direction that Jeph
>Loeb has hinted.)
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>Cheri Hatanaka
What direction is that? Just curious. Is this the "Longshot and
Dazzler are my parents" thing? I thought I read somewhere that this is
not going to develop.
Thanks,
David T.
I think Loeb has been very inconsistant with his art...between Caliban's
appearance (unless that's an AOA aftereffect), Cable's eye scars, and
Shatterstar's fingers to name a few. The style doesn't bother me so much
as the little things... -=Mike Fichera=-
DAVID TELESCA (aiki...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: What direction is that? Just curious. Is this the "Longshot and
: Dazzler are my parents" thing? I thought I read somewhere that this is
: not going to develop.
I think the direction they're referring to is the subtle hint on
page 1 of the latest X-Force that Shatterstar may actually be a
human by the name of Benjamin Russell - and not a native of the
Mojoverse. We'll see if this actually pans out though.
JD
: I think Loeb has been very inconsistant with his art...between Caliban's
: appearance (unless that's an AOA aftereffect), Cable's eye scars, and
: Shatterstar's fingers to name a few. The style doesn't bother me so much
: as the little things... -=Mike Fichera=-
I think you might want to take a closer look at the credits. Loeb is
of course the man writing X-Force, any art inconsistencies should be
attributed to the penciller - Adam Pollina - or the inker, and sorry
but I'm not knowing who that is right now. Are you suggesting that
the art is inconsistent within Pollina's run or inconsistent with
regards to how the other artists portrayed things. The latter is
somewhat forgivable, the former much less so. Just trying to clear
things up.
JD
Debs
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Merlin
Alison Blaire, IIRC.
: Also, the dude on
: the computer screen as Syren ducks out of sight in X-Force
: #45 (I think) looks very like Shatterstar. If this is the
: case then what is he doing on the data-base of an asylum
: for the criminally insane? Another point for my argument is
: his location (as far as the asylem knows): missing.
Spoilers:
From what I can gather, they're going to say Shatterstar isn't from
Mojo-world at all but is just some insane guy.
*snicker* nice idea.
Jacob You all know what I think about it
JWMI...@deimos.oit.umass.edu (Jacob W Michaels) wrote:
>Alison Blaire, IIRC.
Usually called Ali. Her father was a judge and wanted (very badly)
for her to be a lawyer. She got her J.D. from law school, passed the
New York State Bar exam, then went off to pursue a singing career,
which is what she really wanted to do. Her father was killed ( in
about the next to last issue of her individual series) by a
life-sucking parasite. Her mother, who had divorced her father when
she was very young, is currently a voice coach in NYC. Ali's search
for her mother was a major plotline for the first half of her series
run. She has a half-sister, by her mother's 2nd marriage, who is also
a mutant.
And people can talk all they want about her being whiny, I like her.
Always did, always will.
Jerry Preston
>: Also, the dude on
>: the computer screen as Syren ducks out of sight in X-Force
>: #45 (I think) looks very like Shatterstar. If this is the
>: case then what is he doing on the data-base of an asylum
>: for the criminally insane? Another point for my argument is
>: his location (as far as the asylem knows): missing.
Jacob W Michael
>From what I can gather, they're going to say Shatterstar isn't from
>Mojo-world at all but is just some insane guy.
>*snicker* nice idea.
>Jacob You all know what I think about it
Me too (tm). Actually this seems to still be
speculation/extrapolation here in xbooks, without any Marvel
confirmation. Maybe it's just a nasty rumor (hope).
>Does anyone remember Dazzlers real name?
Alison Blaire. Go on, ask me a hard one.
>Also, the dude on
>the computer screen as Syren ducks out of sight in X-Force
>#45 (I think) looks very like Shatterstar. If this is the
>case then what is he doing on the data-base of an asylum
>for the criminally insane?
Well, quite.
Paul O'Brien
pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk, 1995 SLT (News) 228
Let's face it. "Country House" just isn't very good.
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> : #45 (I think) looks very like Shatterstar. If this is the
> : case then what is he doing on the data-base of an asylum
> : for the criminally insane? Another point for my argument is
> : his location (as far as the asylem knows): missing.
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> Jacob You all know what I think about it
You know, I think it could be relatively easy to retcon this. Try this
scenario on for size: Benjamin Russell, mental institution patient and
mutant, is selected by Mojo and/or Spiral as an amusing diversion for
the masses. They bring him to Mojoworld, convince him that he is the
ultimate warrior, engineered to entertain the masses with his skill, and
either wipe his memories and start anew or simply convince him otherwise.
There's no reason why Spiral's Body Shoppe wouldn't have the necessary
equipment to do so. Besides, we might actually get something resembing
a coherent personal history out of it for him.
Eric Saylor
Drake University, Des Moines (I have air conditioning! Nyah!)
-Scott Mills-
-"I AM the wind..."
-"I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead" - "Weird Al" Yankovic
Alison Blaire. I know a real girl called that as well, but she's not a
mutant (that I know of)
Jill
wasting time, as usual....
: >From what I can gather, they're going to say Shatterstar isn't from
: >Mojo-world at all but is just some insane guy.
: Me too (tm). Actually this seems to still be
: speculation/extrapolation here in xbooks, without any Marvel
: confirmation. Maybe it's just a nasty rumor (hope).
Well, I guess Marvel hasn't confirmed it, but Loeb's been hinting
strongly for a couple of months now. In X-Force 45 when Shatterstar
is wanting to go on the mission and Cable wants Hank's clearance
there is a discussion in which Shatterstar says something along
the lines of:
"Where I come from..." blah, blah, blah.
And Beast says something like
"Where you allegedly come from"
So, Beast has his doubts. Then in the "Next Issue" blurb they
say Siryn makes a discovery about one of her teammates. So, the
only applicable piece of 46 this could be referring to is that
likeness of Shatterstar. They then refer to this again in the
letters page for 46. It may not be confirmation, but they sure
*want* us to think this has something to do with 'Star. Now,
is it a red herring or not? This is the important question.
JD
Maybe someone from Mojo-world messed with 'Star the same way Mojo
messed with Psylocke and Spiral.
Wherever he is from, he's certainly not "just some insane guy". At
least not anymore. His swords were able to hurt the Jaugernaut! He has a
healing factor, etc.
~Ace~
>Upon escaping to Earth, Shatterstar assumed the identity of
>Benjamin Russell and was subsequently institutionalized. After
>a session or two of Electro-Convulsive Therapy Shatterstar
>begins to remember his past and his abilities, thus escaping
>from the asylum and returning to Mojo-World for revenge and to
>free his people. He appears in X-Force #? while escaping Mojo's forces
This is as good an explanation as any. I didn't read the New Mutants but
I have rather enjoyed Shatterstar and those Mojo-verse quirks that he has.
(Learning Spanish from watching TV, his obsession with video games) It
would seem peculiar to me that Star has all of these quirks and NOT be
from Mojo-verse. Remember in X-Force #25 when he was welcoming Cable back
from his "death" and he made the mention of the "warrior thought
previously cancelled"? And Windsong, or whatever her name is, how would
they explain her away if it turns out that Star isn't from Mojo-verse at
all.
I really hope that they don't try to twist history that much. Star is
either from Mojo-verse or he is THE most whacked-out character in Marvel
history. And that included the ranting and raving megalomaniac that
Magneto was in the early early issues. ;)
Dandelion
: Well, I guess Marvel hasn't confirmed it, but Loeb's been hinting
: strongly for a couple of months now. In X-Force 45 when Shatterstar
: is wanting to go on the mission and Cable wants Hank's clearance
: there is a discussion in which Shatterstar says something along
: the lines of:
: "Where I come from..." blah, blah, blah.
: And Beast says something like
: "Where you allegedly come from"
: So, Beast has his doubts. Then in the "Next Issue" blurb they
: say Siryn makes a discovery about one of her teammates. So, the
: only applicable piece of 46 this could be referring to is that
: likeness of Shatterstar.
: *want* us to think this has something to do with 'Star.
:Now, is it a red herring or not? This is the important question.
: JD
IMHO this is not a red herring. But that is not to say Shatterstar is not
from the land of Mojo. In X-Force 39 (after the Phalanx ordeal) the
Profesor (Prosh) has evolved into a living being. This has some causes
some major problems for Cable's techno-organic body parts. Prosh offers
to discorporate, but Shatterstar explains that would be tantamount to
ending his physical life. (Now for the point of this post). In replying
to Shatterstar, Prosh calls him Gaveedra-Seven (Sounds like a Mojo-World
name to me). Since Prosh came from the future with Cable, wouldn't he know
Shatterstar's actual origin?
I agree with previous posts that Spiral must have tampered with
Shatterstar's memory at some point in the past. Upon escaping to Earth,
Shatterstar assumed the identity of Benjamin Russell and was subsequently
institutionalized. After a session or two of Electro-Convulsive Therapy
Shatterstar begins to remember his past and his abilities, thus escaping
from the asylum and returning to Mojo-World for revenge and to free his
people. He appears in X-Force #? while escaping Mojo's forces (or something
like that, I'd be more exact but my comics are three thousand miles away).
Unfortunately, I can't explain why he now has five fingers.
John Christian Feehely
Williams and Holland's Law:
If enough data is collected, anything
can be proven by statistical methods.
Only if Shatterstar were, in some bizarre way, a major player in the fate
of our timeline, something I'm inclined to doubt. I figure Prosh picked
up the name from Shatty's own files somewhere along the line, myself.
However, I have to question your description of "Gaveedra-Seven" as a
Mojoworld-type name -- when we were introduced to that alternate
dimension, names like Arize, Jackson, Spiral, and Mojo were acceptable
names. (Although Jackson was clearly a joke during his brief appearance
in the Longshot LS, but still...) G-7 is the first time I've ever heard a
Mojoworlder named with a number.
> I agree with previous posts that Spiral must have tampered with
> Shatterstar's memory at some point in the past. Upon escaping to Earth,
> Shatterstar assumed the identity of Benjamin Russell and was subsequently
> institutionalized. After a session or two of Electro-Convulsive Therapy
> Shatterstar begins to remember his past and his abilities, thus escaping
> from the asylum and returning to Mojo-World for revenge and to free his
> people.
Spoilers for this week's new X-Force --
We now know that the lovely Dr. Weisman was not, in fact, a bad guy; she'd
always been a trusted assistant to Prof. Xavier. Apparently, though, the
Gamesmaster has been toying around with the minds of people in that
particular asylum, and that only fairly recently (probably after
Shatterstar arrived at the Mansion). I know this doesn't explain what
Shatterstar was doing in the Doctor's datafiles, but it does kinda shoot
through the electro-convulsive therapy theory --
Blaze -- m-b...@students.uiuc.edu
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~m-blase/x-page.html
"You don't mind if *I* continue to believe I exist?" Suenteus Po
"What you do with the voices in your head is your business." Cerebus
Actually, the guy on the computer screen looked like Adam X.
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is killing just pictures of Jap girls in synthesis--go gunning for transports
of animal ecstasy and you get what you said, too, and what she said to that,
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I like this idea. I'm surprised by the number of people who are
objecting to having Star be a mental instution patient. Considering what
some of our fav muties have been doing, i'm surprised that there aren't
moer of them stuck in institution (Madrox certainly should have been in
one during his last days, instead of fighting with the rest of the team
and getting killed)
silver:ttfn
Normal is only defined by a narrow perception of reality.
Sing Bluesilver...
>> Oh incidentally, I'm Janna, longtime lurker and fan of
>Shatterstar......and Longshot too...
>he's gay isn't he?
Longshot or Shatterstar? Longshot is definitely not (or at least has
been portrayed as otherwise), but it has been hinted that Shatterstar
may be, hence his attachment to Rictor. No one really knows yet.
Dathomir
> Yes, but also in issue 45, Beast refers to Shatterstar's hollow bones and
> overall weird makeup that he says can only be compared to "our former team-
> mate, Longshot." Longshot is DEFINITELY from Mojo world.
> Which is not to say that I don't think Marvel's going to pull
something
> weird, but unless they ignore a heck of a lot of hints that they've dropped
> on Star ( which they might) I don't think they can say he's some weird nut.
> Unless.....the nut somehow replaced the original Star, which would
explain why he hasn't made Cable make good on his promise to help him, as
the nut wouldn't
> know.
> About the promise, that is.
They were in Mojo world for a while, seperated from Star and returned to
earth. He grew up without them and doesn't know his real ancestory.
Just a thought
MGD
>little difficult?
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Shatterstar has flipped for Rictor. ;-)
(But that doesn't mean he's gay.)
~ACE~
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>In article <42gh7r$q...@cutter.clas.ufl.edu>, res...@grove.ufl.edu (William
Galione) writes:>> I realize I have been out of touch with the X-guys for
a few years,>> but hasn't it been firmly established that Shatterstar is the
child of >> Longshot and Dazzler? (back in the annuals)
>> So what's all this talk about Shatterstar being from earth? (more
>Actually, has it been firmly established that Longshot and Dazzler are the
>parents of Shatterstar? I think it was hinted that they were ancestors, but..
>Considering the fact that Shatterstar is from 200 years in the future, where
>there is a MOJO VI or VII, I don't think he is the son of Longshot and Dazzler,
>unless time travel was involved. (God, I hope not..)
I do believe that FabNic said that Shatterstar was NOT to be the child of
Dazzler and Longshot. His name might have been taken from their child who
would become a great warrior, and therefore he was named after him.
Remember, Shatteerstar comes from Longshot's future... I think it is 100
years from his future. Therefore it seems pretty strange for Shatty to be
around 100 yrs old.
>Speaking of Dazzler's baby, she got pregnant over 35 issues ago.. So, when is
>she going to give birth?!?!?!?
Well, if Marvel time is consistent... not until 2023. =)
But if it isn't, then we had bettter see some X-People getting older.
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>Mojo-world WIFE may be a tad disconcerted....
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>Janna
Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened (well, maybe
the first time in a Marvel comic).
Dathomir
> In <42qvt2$h...@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st93...@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
> (Jenny Lorinsky) writes:
> >Well, if Shatterstar is, then that chick Moonsong they threw in as his
> >Mojo-world WIFE may be a tad disconcerted....
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> Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened (well, maybe
> the first time in a Marvel comic).
Besides the fact that he did state at the end of that issue that she was
only his "wife" in terms of a breeding partner for genetically-superior
warriors. Not exactly what you'd consider a deep personal commitment...
>Well, if Shatterstar is, then that chick Moonsong they threw in as his
>Mojo-world WIFE may be a tad disconcerted....
The feeling that I got was that Shatterstar's reaction to physical
"involvement" in the club on top of what I remember about his wife was
that he and his wife weren't exactly on their way to forming a nuclear
family. I don't remember if they said she was created by Mojo or not,
but it IS Mojoworld so it's likely and I think she was like designated to
be his wife or something. It all seemed so cold and unfeeling.
His defense of her in some X-force issue (I think it was around #29 with
Arcade) gave me the impression that it was more of the honorable thing
to do than, "Blast his eyes, that's the love of my life!!" Of course
that
could have just been Fabian.
Brad Roeder
Being a "really nice guy" is an art.
>>Speaking of Dazzler's baby, she got pregnant over 35 issues ago.. So, when is
>>she going to give birth?!?!?!?
>Well, if Marvel time is consistent... not until 2023. =)
It's incredibly anal to give this question a serious answer but...
working on the principle of three publishing years to one Marvel
year, Dazzler should have given birth around twenty-seven issues
after we last saw her. That means that she should have had the
kid by now.
Of course, she's in the Mojoverse, and time doesn't necessarily
work at the same rate there.
Paul O'Brien
pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk, 1995 SLT (News) 228
The One World Orchestra, huh?
>MITU...@ARTSU1.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (>>>--Ricochet-->) writes:
>>>Speaking of Dazzler's baby, she got pregnant over 35 issues ago.. So, when is
>>>she going to give birth?!?!?!?
>>Well, if Marvel time is consistent... not until 2023. =)
>It's incredibly anal to give this question a serious answer but...
You Paul... anal? Naaaaahhhh...... =)
>working on the principle of three publishing years to one Marvel
>year, Dazzler should have given birth around twenty-seven issues
>after we last saw her. That means that she should have had the
>kid by now.
Yeah, but that is depending on whether or not you take into consideration
AOA and the three months that supposedly passed since. =)
>Of course, she's in the Mojoverse, and time doesn't necessarily
>work at the same rate there.
Very true. =)
Ricochet